That's a fantastic question! I can't answer. But I'll definitely start
injecting that question into what I read. I have run across those communities
that talk about techniques for increasing one's charisma, mostly in the context
of trying to understand the alt-right, involuntary celibates, pick-
In early-mid 1970, I did a study of cults in California. It was an ethnographic
study and my methodology was participant observation which means I spent a lot
of time participating in cult activities as well as interviewing and observing
cult leaders cult rituals, and cult practices.
I spent th
Excellent! Thanks. The context always helps.
Re: below -- The research I'm seeing uses measurement tools like the
Narcissistic Personality Index for grandiose types, the Pathological Narcissism
Inventory, the HyperSensitive Narcissism Scale, etc. and correlates (postively
or negatively) with va
What little lit. I've seen so far argues that vulnerable narcissists don't tend
to embark on difficult tasks. One paper argues they "self-handicap" so that
they will never be in a position such that they fail. There are other
"defensive" tactics as well. The paper argues that vulnerable types re
I know you're really asking and I'm really trying to answer but it's
complicated. I will give you some background which may seem irrelevant.
Bear with me.
I was going to ask you what kind of evidence you would accept: assertion
by authorities or empirical clinical evidence i.e. data. 1975 isn't
Glen, et al -
> As for Trump, I've *already* said that his narcissism interferes with his
> competence. I said that explicitly. I've even said it more than once. But it
> seems irrelevant to how we compensate for the situation we're in. I don't
> think I said *independent*. I'm sorry if I did.
Well, to be clear, the journal articles I've seen *indicate* that the grandiose
one's don't suffer much. I wouldn't know one way or another. I'm just going off
what I read in the articles.
And I apologize in advance, but without *some* evidence in support of what
you're saying, it's impossible
By the way, you say
...that grandiose narcissists *don't* suffer much, but the vulnerable
narcissists *do*...
Grandiosity is a defense against vulnerability in these people. They're
the same people.
I find Kernberg to be more masterful and credible that Yeomans. Of course,
the former is the te
But it's useful, to me, ...
Well, that matters.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:57 PM uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> On 4/29/20 12:51 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4
>
> This one didn't seem to say anything about the 2 phenotypes. So it
> (obviously) can't help distinguish them, which mea
On 4/29/20 12:51 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4
This one didn't seem to say anything about the 2 phenotypes. So it (obviously)
can't help distinguish them, which means it can't help unify them. If one
doesn't even recognize there could be a difference, then one can't un
Also:
https://youtu.be/Ihu3k_j3KQk
https://youtu.be/xoRuzpsLzTU
https://youtu.be/OwVL-X_TRDo
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:51 PM Frank Wimberly wrote:
> $75?! The Kindle edition of my memoir was only 4.99 before I unpublished
> it.
>
> This isn't what you asked for but it supports my claim that al
$75?! The Kindle edition of my memoir was only 4.99 before I unpublished
it.
This isn't what you asked for but it supports my claim that all
pathological(!) narcissism has a common dynamic structure. It only 3+
minutes long and it's free.
https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at
I have not read Kernberg's "Borderline Conditions and Pathological Narcissism".
The kindle copy seems to be $75, which is out of my price range for almost any
book. If the libraries open up soon, I can probably get my hands on a copy.
Regardless, I *do*, right now, have access to almost every sc
Have you read Kernberg? I would do that first and I would claim that he
should dominate me and the others with respect to his/their/my
credibility. My knowledge, such as it is, comes from informal
conversations with senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh. Ragins, Schachter,
Ratey, McLaughlin, et al
The evidence presented in Shröder-Abé et al does not support that. I worry
about the authority with which you assert such things. At the very least, your
lack of supporting evidence *prevents* me from doing any homework on my own
that might support what you're saying. Everything I'm finding disa
Trump clearly gets frustrated by that very thing. I know, "So what?"
By the way, regarding the subtypes of narcissism: They are distinguished by
severity of symptoms rather than differences in the basic dynamic, which
are the same.
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
5
I reject INFP. Pffft.
Reminds me when I said to a young woman that astrology is rubbish. She
asked what my birthday was and I said May 1. She said, "Taurus! Of
course!"
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
.-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. ---
Just FYI, you *forced* me to take another stupid personality test... I couldn't
resist the link on that blog entry. It says I'm a good match for either INFP or
INTP. At first, I was going to say there's no way in hell anyone would ever
call me a "healer". But, then again, I got my first copy of
> Waco
> https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/waco/s01
I declined to respond to Glen's originating post on this topic until I
had more time/background. We finally watched the limited series the
last two nights and it brought back a lot of memories of that era to
both Mary and myself. We had the
I believe that this article (or a very similar one) was posted here a
couple of years ago:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/14/the-most-narcissistic-u-s-presidents/
/These researchers also found that, on average, presidents are more
narcissistic than the average American. Mor
Glen writes:
< [†] I think we've almost lost the chance to act on these "reopen protests".
We could have come out ahead of the morons and argued for reopening in a
*competent* way, emphasizing the 3 milestones: curve downturn, enough testing,
contact tracing. Each of these could have been custo
It may look like analysis paralysis when one party simply restates their
position with no more evidence each time. (Am not! Are too! Am not! ;^) But for
my part, teasing out whether the narcissism is something we can actually use or
not *is* an attempt to formulate plans of action.
The question
Analysis paralysis: Execute plans against these individuals.
From: Friam on behalf of Frank Wimberly
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 6:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] narcissism
If he weren't narcissistic he would defer to the experts which would
mitigate his incompetence. The BS about being sarcastic is a pathetic way
to rationalize his failure to defer.
Since narcissism is universal adding "malignant" or "pathological" makes a
useful distinction.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020
OK. Well, risking too much repetition, if he were competent, he wouldn't have
said that ... and the policies would not have followed ... and he would defer
to the experts. Because, as Dunning-Kruger and Zajenkowski et al, and
Schröder-Abé et al, seem to point out, competent people have a good ha
Fellow Yapper,
My assumed audience is not the American public thank God. An example of
how his narcissism makes him dangerous is his saying the coronavirus will
be gone in five days and the related policy positions. His grandiosity is
threatened by the prospect of deferring to epidemiologists an
Well, Gil should accuse *me* of yapping, too. So yes, you and me both.
But his narcissism is irrelevant. You may as well claim that his *hair* makes
him dangerous. It's irrelevant. What's relevant is his incompetence. My guess
is that Obama is a narcissist, too ... anyone who *wants* to be Presi
Trump's incompetence and his malignant narcissism *both* make him dangerous
in the position of president.
Were you referring to me when you wrote "yapping"? :-)
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
More on 2 types:
Vulnerable and Grandiose Narcissism Are Differentially Associated With Ability
and Trait Emotional Intelligence
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01606/full
Vulnerable Vs Grandiose Narcissism: Which Is More Harmful?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/t
think of is himself
and if something is good or bad for him. He uses subjective adjectives to
express his own subjective judgements and to manipulate others.-J.
Original message From: uǝlƃ ☣ Date:
4/27/20 20:13 (GMT+01:00) To: FriAM Subject: [FRIAM]
narcissism Wacohttps
Sorry for any overemphasis. I was merely *wondering if* there might be 2 types.
I was inferring it partly from the Alternate model in the DSM 5 and partly from
my own sense that the way people talk about them is contradictory. Your quote
from Kernberg only hints at it.
Being episodic, myself, I
Does this quote from Kernberg have to do with your feeling that there are
two types of narcissist:
In general their relationships with other people are clearly exploitive and
sometimes parasitic. It is as if they feel they have the right to control
and possess others and to exploit them without g
I think I said that person's with NPD are almost psychotic. I checked with
my wife, a very experienced clinician, and she says that is not correct.
But she also says that there are not two types. One interesting thing that
she said is that her mentor, a training analyst, said that after treating
Waco
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/waco/s01
I don't know much about Koresh or the Branch Davidians. I remember watching it
(and the Ruby Ridge coverage) on TV back then. (I was pretty libertarian back
then ... but that was back when the word "libertarian" meant something ... it's
a useless
Pamela:
“But I don’t know if productivity of those 24/7 workers has been measured in a
sound, qualitative way.”
There is a certain euphoria in momentum even if it means long hours, especially
if it is a task that is self-directed. Stopping hurts more than it helps.
Days, weeks, months can pa
xity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Nick-
Steve,
For me, there are only two questions I want you to ask yourself:
Is the Trump administration likely to do things that will irrevocably
decrease the quality of life of people you care about?
yes
(How wide
Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Is the FRIAM list social media?
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918
On Jan 29, 2017 10:11 AM, "Marcus Daniels"
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
Pamela writes:
“Turkle suggests all kinds of times out
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> Pamela writes:
>
> “Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, before
> bed, that sort of thing.”
>
> There’s conflict that is created between those people that use electronic
> communication non-stop for th
Is the FRIAM list social media?
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918
On Jan 29, 2017 10:11 AM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote:
> *Pamela writes:*
>
>
>
> *“*Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time,
> before bed, that sort of thing.”
>
>
>
> There’s conflict that is created bet
Pamela writes:
“Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, before
bed, that sort of thing.”
There’s conflict that is created between those people that use electronic
communication non-stop for their work vs. those that don’t want to. The
former are essentially workin
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Nick Thompson
> wrote:
>
> So we’re stuck, right, Pamela? There’s nothing we can do? Just sit and take
> it?
>
> Nick
Oh no. Partly it’s self-correcting. Sherry Turkle (Reclaiming Conversation, and
also a new Kindle single interview with Turkle by Paula
28, 2017 9:50 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Nick -
I know I don't always seem to take your questions seriously, but I
generally do.
I DO think the computer industry HAS effectively contributed to a
certain
essor of Psychology and Biology
>>> Clark University
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>>>
>>> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
>>> <mailto
orning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
< So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or
ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and
leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves t
ompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 4:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Before we blame any particular technology for what seems l
ickthompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:50 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Nick -
I know I don't always seem to take your que
Sent:*Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once
resembled sharp tools and useful fasteners?
I was thinking th
iversity
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven
A Smith
*Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Gro
*Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
*Date: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
*To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM]
to:friam-boun...@redfish.com]*On Behalf Of*Steven A
Smith
*Sent:*Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that
< So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or
ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and
leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves to do what needs to
be done. >
Andrés asserts it is not populism by another means.
our tool kit more effective than that!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> Clark University
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enicktho
lf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<mailto:friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
What can WE hobbits do?
Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses?
Fun asid
>>
>>
>>
>> Now what politicians and opposition leaders do to manage this problem is
>> a different matter. That is about appearances not reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Friam on behalf of &q
PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
It is worth noting he’s living in Spain.
From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > on
behalf of "Robert J. Cordingley" mailto:rob...@cirrillian.com> >
/
<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith
*Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning A
is problem is a
> different matter. That is about appearances not reality.
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Friam on behalf of "Robert J.
> Cordingley"
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Dat
017 9:38 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
What can WE hobbits do?
Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses?
Fun aside, I DO appreciate your sentiment here and agree that the
Narcissist in Chief
It is worth noting he’s living in Spain.
From: Friam on behalf of "Robert J. Cordingley"
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcis
e Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezuelan on what to do
and mostly what not to do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/in-venezuela-we-couldnt-stop-chav
hen
>
>
> Sent from my Tricorder
>
> Original message
> From: Nick Thompson
> Date: 1/28/17 01:57 (GMT+01:00)
> To: Friam
> Cc: penny thompson , 'Bruce Simon' <
> bjs...@yahoo.com>, 'Dix McComas' , 'Grant Franks' <
*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven
A Smith
*Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
What can WE hobbits do?
Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second din
ickthompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
What can WE hobbits do?
Scratch our hairy knuc
:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen
Fromm
*Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:39 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
; Friam
*Cc:* penny thompson ; 'Bruce Simon'
; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant
Franks'
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [
Bruce Simon'
; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Yes, agree. Trump’s point of view is “Whatever I can win with is true.” And if
he wins with what we call “a lie”, it is true for him. Exactly.
If you ask how we can coun
n , 'Bruce
Simon' , 'Dix McComas' , 'Grant
Franks' Subject: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Hi everybody,I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep
coming back to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism. So. Let
me just share one
link.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 8:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism
< What nick said was, "[For such a person as trump,] there is no truth of the
matter, there is only the exercise of power." >
I was capturing the essential bit. Nothing good ever comes from attribution.
Marcus
FRIAM Applied Complexi
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> *Cc:* penny thompson ; 'Bruce Simon' <
> bjs...@yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks' <
> grantfra...@earthlink.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
>
>
>
> Nick writes:
>
>
>
> “*
els
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 6:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Cc: penny thompson ; 'Bruce Simon'
; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Nick writes:
"There is no truth
riday, January 27, 2017 6:40 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Cc:* penny thompson ; Bruce Simon <
>> bjs...@yahoo.com>; Dix McComas ; Grant Franks <
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>> *Subject
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> friam@redfish.com>
> *Cc:* penny thompson ; Bruce Simon <
> bjs...@yahoo.com>; Dix McComas ; Grant Franks <
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lexity Coffee Group
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
problematize (Ugh!) the Deweyan
to see as problematic?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
Just a thought: Don't emergency rooms have to treat anyone who walks
through the door?
I recall seeing a *lot* of that when my mom-in-law was in the hospital.
These were folks with fairly minor problems like a rash or the flu. And I'm
delighted they got care.
So all minimizing ACA will do is up t
Nick writes:
"There is no truth of the matter; there is only the exercise of power. "
[..]
"So, if we are going to counter Trump, it cannot be by demonstrating that he
lies. It has to be by demonstrating that liars don't win."
He's old and nearing the last round of his iterated Prisoner's Dil
>
> problematize (Ugh!) the Deweyan
to see as problematic?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Nick Thompson
wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
>
>
> I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming
> back to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism.
>
>
>
> So. Let me ju
Hi everybody,
I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming back
to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism.
So. Let me just share one thought. I have said a hundred times that I
think the great achievement of the Right in my life time has been to
From Street's article:
"My guess is that he’ll try to tough it out, handing off most if not all the
difficult work to his underlings."
I agree with Street, here. There's an accusation that people like Bannon are
writing a bunch of executive orders, not even knowing which ones Trump will
sign.
Actually, I think the author, Richard Willmsen, got it right, Frank. I am
seeing more of these predictions of a meltdown ... the following
linked *CounterPunch
*article says he is going to have a lot of help in the process ...
Also, I think Paul Street has this same thought completely right in hi
On 01/25/2017 09:01 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> This insightful essay about Trump argues that he will soon decompensate:
>
> https://infinite-coincidence.com/2017/01/22/donald-trump-is-going-to-snap-very-soon-and-here-is-how-i-know/
>
> Since it is a prediction it will be easy to evaluate.
That'
This insightful essay about Trump argues that he will soon decompensate:
https://infinite-coincidence.com/2017/01/22/donald-trump-is-going-to-snap-very-soon-and-here-is-how-i-know/
Since it is a prediction it will be easy to evaluate.
Frank
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918
==
" Granted the 'sovereign citizens' are very different from the Trumpists and
the mass shooters."
One is a wolf, one is a OCD barker that goes on all night, and the other is a
feral biter that roams the neighborhood. They are all canidae.No offense
to dogs intended.
Marcus
The recent filing of Ryan Bundy scared me a little bit:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/ryan-bundy-incompetent-subject-federal-law/
We're breeding these people, somehow. Granted the 'sovereign citizens' are
very different from the Trumpists an
"In this context, mass shootings, fascism, kids who can't hold down jobs
walking around with vape pipes in their mouths and earbuds in their ears, etc.
are all evidence that evolution is searching for a _new_ solution to the new
problem."
The auto-immune analogy would seem say that the governme
m/_ -- a sort of analogue to programmed cell death?
>
>
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 4:13 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism
/... //Must be terrifying to someone like Putin. Almost feel sorry
for him. Merkel and Clinton to telling him what to do all the time.
//J/
/Marcus/
If only we could get Stephen Colbert and Tina Fey on the ballot... and
into the oval office... sure we'd have to fill the covet
“It has been suggested that Nixon and Coolidge were the only card carrying
introverts with Jefferson and Madison being functionally introverted because of
there extreme scholarly nature. Adams (senior, not JQ) also gets a nod. The
rest are pretty likely not particularly introverted. It doe
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings
I don't understand everything you said but there seems to be a lot of anger in
the air. So you would consider voting for Trump? My impression is that the old
"American Dream" seems to be broken. No health care system c
6 4:29 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings
I don't think a reader should be forced to choose between (1) or (2), but I
would prefer that the writer be aware enough to refer to context rather than
restating it as if it were t
om: Gillian Densmore
Date: 8/1/16 17:23 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:
[FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings
Hmmm well I apear to be the groups simple-person-type. Sure having some guesses
as to why people are frankly snapping could be h
ion
of social media has something to do with this.
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
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Of course. But knowing/deciding how much to cite and how much to place in
context is also part of the problem. Because everyone has a unique
interpretation of words (and a unique graph of concepts), it can be difficult
to know how much must be spelt out and how much one can rely on common
u
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass ShootingsYes, and it also could
explain Trump's "verbal violence."
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
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Well, sure, competence in communication involves both abilities: 1) to
Well, sure, competence in communication involves both abilities: 1) to
compress/abstract out detail so as to state your point clearly and 2) to place
such a point inside a use case, a narrative. And although I think of
abstraction as one of my skills (at least I tend to do it all the time, per
day, August 01, 2016 9:48 AM
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Thanks for sharing more of your story! I believe it's our duty to share
stories, the more personal the better. It's how we understand our and oth
Gil -
I second Glen's statement here. I personally value the fact that I know
many people from many walks of life with many modes of apprehending and
being in the world. This FriAM/WedTech Crowd is an important part of
that (even though I rarely make a showing at either table in person).
F
Thanks for sharing more of your story! I believe it's our duty to share
stories, the more personal the better. It's how we understand our and others'
place in the world. Too many people are too terse and present context-less
thoughts. It's possible that part of the steady increase in the na
Hmmm well I apear to be the groups simple-person-type.
Sure having some guesses as to why people are frankly snapping could be
handy.
I suspect as a simple-ol'fation kind of Countery-Bumpkinish type. These
people had some frustrations that didn't get met. It possibly sat in there
head while doing
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