Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Anne Keller-Smith
I got my G4 733 mHz Quicksilver in early 2002 when they stopped making it for $1399. It is still going strong for the most part, and hasn't needed out of warranty repairs, all I have shelled out has been for 2 OS upgrades, Jaguar and Tiger. So ... do the math. This is one affordable machine.

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Davis
On Dec 19, 2008, at 6:37 PM, John Callahan wrote: > > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Charles Davis wrote: > >>> >>> >>> >> Yeah!! Yeah!! I know what you mean, but it buggs me to hear "Tax >> deductable", when in fact "It's an INCOME deduction" when calculating >> tax liability. >> >> Say what

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread John Callahan
On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Charles Davis wrote: >> >> >> > Yeah!! Yeah!! I know what you mean, but it buggs me to hear "Tax > deductable", when in fact "It's an INCOME deduction" when calculating > tax liability. > > Say what you mean, and Mean what you say. And don't let the mentally > lazy

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread MIKO ..
On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > ?? If you're doing the kinds of stuff you do with computers than need > multiple video cards and lots of high=speed internal storage, you more > than likely need the added power of a Mac Pro anyway. No kidding ! need a Mac Pro! And yet I don

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Sam Macomber
In 1995 I paid $1,000 for my IIci 240MB HDD, 32MB RAM, Daystar Turbo601/66 accelerator card, 10 BaseT ethernet, and 14" apple monitor. I added a Supermac thunder/24 video card and a PAS 16 Audio card. (those cost me $100)Sold my powerbook 180 to pay for it, as I recall I still had mo

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:03 PM, MIKO .. wrote: > I > remember that I had a Quadra 605 and I was definitely not rich when I > bought that- That's the same costs as an iMac 20" today, $1300. About right; They were the continuation of the LC series, for 'Low Cost"...the Mac II for the rest of us

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Dan
At 12:03 PM -0800 12/19/2008, MIKO .. wrote: >On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> Also, never, ever forget that you have to compare historical prices in >> a constant dollar fashion. > >Actually, gulp- I just never realized that they used to cost so much new! Ah, those were t

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread MIKO ..
On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > Also, never, ever forget that you have to compare historical prices in > a constant dollar fashion. Actually, gulp- I just never realized that they used to cost so much new! Despite that though I have never understood why they are simply m

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Dec 19, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Ted Treen wrote (well, MIKO wrote the quoted part): >> >> The problem is that it was not always- and is only recently- their >> business model! There used to be affordable G4 towers with extra >> drive bays and slots and such and now all we've got, before investin

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread James E. Therrault
Charles Davis wrote: > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:36 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > >>John Callahan wrote: >> Profit margins include all expenses. JT >>> >>> >>>Would someone make note of the fact that operating costs which >>>include R&D are deductibles when it comes to Stat

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Ted Treen
MIKO .. wrote: > On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > > >> If Apple's business model works for them - and it certainly appears >> to - >> then it's better for all of us if they continue to thrive, and not go >> belly-up like so many other companies who have tried too hard to be >

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread MIKO ..
On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > If Apple's business model works for them - and it certainly appears > to - > then it's better for all of us if they continue to thrive, and not go > belly-up like so many other companies who have tried too hard to be > all > things to all men. H

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Ted Treen
MIKO .. wrote: >> > > OK, really, who cares about arguiing over "claims"? > > Can I buy a cheap Mac-compatible machine with the power of a Mc Pro or > not? I'll NEVER be able "justify" affording the $3000+ for a > barebones Mac Pro! Suze Orman already DENIED me. LOL > Yes. I'll NEVER be able

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread MIKO ..
> OK, really, who cares about arguiing over "claims"? Can I buy a cheap Mac-compatible machine with the power of a Mc Pro or not? I'll NEVER be able "justify" affording the $3000+ for a barebones Mac Pro! Suze Orman already DENIED me. LOL --~--~-~--~~~---~--~---

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-19 Thread Ted Treen
From: Dan To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 18 December, 2008 3:56:53 PM Subject: Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be At 10:44 PM + 12/17/2008, Ted Treen wrote: >Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > What many he

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread Charles Davis
On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:36 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: > > John Callahan wrote: >> >>> >>> Profit margins include all expenses. >>> >>> JT >>> >> >> >> Would someone make note of the fact that operating costs which >> include R&D are deductibles when it comes to State and Federal taxes? >> > >

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread James E. Therrault
John Callahan wrote: > >> >>Profit margins include all expenses. >> >>JT >> > > > Would someone make note of the fact that operating costs which > include R&D are deductibles when it comes to State and Federal taxes? > Uh, expenses is expenses - - - Tax deductible. JT --~--~

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread John Callahan
> > > Profit margins include all expenses. > > JT > Would someone make note of the fact that operating costs which include R&D are deductibles when it comes to State and Federal taxes? > > > > John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where th

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread James E. Therrault
Dan wrote: > At 11:51 AM -0500 12/18/2008, diane wrote: > >>At 10:56 AM -0500 12/18/08, Dan wrote: >> >>>saying that NPD falsified their data? Or are you saying it's ok for >>>Apple to gouge a 20% profit margin when the rest of the industry >>>survives on 6? >> >>It's tough to survive on 6% tho

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread James E. Therrault
diane wrote: > At 10:56 AM -0500 12/18/08, Dan wrote: > >>saying that NPD falsified their data? Or are you saying it's ok for >>Apple to gouge a 20% profit margin when the rest of the industry >>survives on 6? > > > It's tough to survive on 6% though especially if there is overhead. > Even 2

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread James E. Therrault
Dan wrote: > At 10:44 PM + 12/17/2008, Ted Treen wrote: > >>Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >> > What many here have said for a long time finally makes a ZDnet article. >> > http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3192&tag=nl.e539 >> >>The article starts "If the data released by the NPD Group is c

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread diane
At 12:11 PM -0500 12/18/08, Dan wrote: >At 11:51 AM -0500 12/18/2008, diane wrote: >>At 10:56 AM -0500 12/18/08, Dan wrote: >>> >>>saying that NPD falsified their data? Or are you saying it's ok for >>>Apple to gouge a 20% profit margin when the rest of the industry >>>survives on 6? >> >>It's to

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread Dan
At 11:51 AM -0500 12/18/2008, diane wrote: >At 10:56 AM -0500 12/18/08, Dan wrote: >> >>saying that NPD falsified their data? Or are you saying it's ok for >>Apple to gouge a 20% profit margin when the rest of the industry >>survives on 6? > >It's tough to survive on 6% though especially if there

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Dan wrote: > The blog post references a Wall Street Journal article, which reports > on the sales figures as collected by NPD. How is Apple's declining > sales over the last month "deliberate misinformation"? Because they don't say the study is actually measuring

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread diane
At 10:56 AM -0500 12/18/08, Dan wrote: > >saying that NPD falsified their data? Or are you saying it's ok for >Apple to gouge a 20% profit margin when the rest of the industry >survives on 6? It's tough to survive on 6% though especially if there is overhead. Even 20% is not much. My .02 Dian

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread Nikki Wraith
NPD's data refers only to desktop computers - iMacs and MacPros. A decline in desktop sales when all new laptops have just been released is not unusual. Mikeal On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Dan wrote: > > At 10:44 PM + 12/17/2008, Ted Treen wrote: >> Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >>> W

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread Dan
At 4:59 PM -0500 12/17/2008, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: >What many here have said for a long time finally makes a ZDnet article. > >http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3192&tag=nl.e539 > >Someone here who took umbrage at those who wanted a low cost Machine >to run an Apple OS derided them as w

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-18 Thread Dan
At 10:44 PM + 12/17/2008, Ted Treen wrote: >Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > What many here have said for a long time finally makes a ZDnet article. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3192&tag=nl.e539 > >The article starts "If the data released by the NPD Group is correct..." > >W

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-17 Thread Jaime Ignacio
Apple cancelling its Christmas party this year is nothing really shocking. The vast majority of companies around the world have cancelled Staff Christmas parties (if they celebrate them) in lieu of offering a cheaper staff activities day or forgoing anything all together. With regards to the artic

Re: TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-17 Thread Ted Treen
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > What many here have said for a long time finally makes a ZDnet article. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3192&tag=nl.e539 > > Someone here who took umbrage at those who wanted a low cost Machine > to run an Apple OS derided them as wanting "Cheap Kit", Cheap

TOPIC: Apple & Psystar Why it came to be

2008-12-17 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
What many here have said for a long time finally makes a ZDnet article. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3192&tag=nl.e539 Someone here who took umbrage at those who wanted a low cost Machine to run an Apple OS derided them as wanting "Cheap Kit", Cheap Kit? the market speaks in sales. Cheap k