Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Hunter Fuller wrote: You can't rename a folder to . - it is definitely the root of the drive. / is the root of the drive. . represents the current directory. And no, you should not be able to rename/name something .. But it might not be ., it might be . or .. A rose by any other name is a lost mount point --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Worth Upgrading?
Someone recently mentioned to me that some older but powerful video cards with OpenGL can boost performance for cheap, but I haven't looked into the details yet. The idea is that the video card does a lot of the work that the CPU would do, at least for video. My informant wasn't clear on whether it could do non-video tasks, but that seems unlikely. Upgrading the hard drive is probably the big one, since that's a major bottleneck on almost any system. The 2003 MDD can handle ATA/100, and 133 isn't supposed to be much faster in practice, so that leaves either getting an ATA drive noted for fast random access or looking into SATA or SCSI. And looking into RAID. Your model also came with dual 1.25 GHz CPU's. That should be a lot less expensive than a new Sonnet. Since you're two generations back, it might also be cost (and time) effective to sell the G4 and get a G5. By analogy, I had been working with beige G3's, and when I looked up, I discovered how cheap G4's were. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition
Can I suggest a HDD upgrade? I had a 40 in my Gigabit G4... Find a cheap Dell system on eBay that's from 01-02 for $50, take the 80 or so gig out of there, put it in your comp. (format it using the zero out data option and make sure it says SMART Status: Verified), take ur old HDD and put it in the dell, and Voila! You now have decent space on your Mac, and a spare x86 system for playing with various distros of Linux, Win. Dev. Releases, and my favs, Haiku OS (BeOS) and SKYOS. I'm finding Windows 98 useful actually...the Rhapsody Yellow Box runs in it. Also, I got OpenStep to run on the P4 machine, under very strange conditions though. Have fun and Good Luck! Joey. __ Sent from Joey's iPhone 3G 2.2 on ATT's all-new wireless network. Visit www.apple.com/iphone for more information. Apple ATT - Raising the Bar. On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:32 PM, MIKO .. miko.supp...@gmail.com wrote: Show your hidden files and folders. You can use OnyX to do that (go to versiontracker.com- get panther version)... Look to see if you have any core files to delete. Moreover, in general, with UNIX files hidden, you can't just simply add up the visible files to get total disk usage. A good way to find large files is to temporarily change view options in all folders in LIST view to calculate all sizes- then wait as this slowly happens and do a descending sort on the SIZE column in order to see your largest file folders and files. Usually my largest waste-of-space files are in the Adobe folder. Especially the thumbnail database for Bridge. Check the Adobe folder in Application support for an overgrown camera raw database or a temp file that didn't go away when Photoshop closed down. Try to store your photos on an external drive and if you use Adobe bridge to view them, make sure that you point the camera raw database off the main drive or de-centralize it. If you are low on disk space while Photoshop is open, but get it back when you close Photoshop, then try moving the Photoshop scratch disk to an external drive. Try to store your iTunes music library on an external drive. Hope these basic starting ideas help. MIKO's Support in Snowy Deep-Frozen Seattle On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:05 AM, MnDel wrote: Hello, Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do a few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9 partition: (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came to only 8.2GB. However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than 1GB free space with no apps running. I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look? Thanks!, Del G4 Sawtooth 500MHz 768 MB 10.3.9 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
At 5:23 PM -0500 12/15/2008, Al Poulin wrote: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3194says: Time Machine * Fixes issues that could cause Time Machine to state the backup volume could not be found. * Improves Time Machine reliability with Time Capsule. Does the update make TM/TC users happier? Hmmm, maybe it is too early for this question. Client dropped me an email this morning. TM, on the Mac he updated to 10.5.6, is now telling him his backups are invalid. I haven't looked at it yet... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Worth Upgrading?
On 12/15/08 11:13 PM, Maccountant of gsuc...@gmail.com sent Hi, I have a 2003 single 1.25GHz MDD running Tiger w/ 2 MB RAM. It's a great machine, just a little long in the tooth. I use it as my primary computer and file server to my 2007 MacBook. I was wondering what upgrades would be cost-effective, if any, aside from RAM (it's maxed anyway) and a new drive. My thoughts are either/or a graphics card and a processor upgrade. Does it make sense to add a Radeon 9600 or 9800? I also noticed that Sonnet has duel processor upgrades at 1.6 (apx $450) and 1.8 ($600) GHz for the MDD. Basically these are to make the machine a little snappier. I do financial and accounting work, some Photoshop CS2 stuff, a little web page updating, and some video editing. Also some occasional games like Unreal Tournament. The real reason I got the Macbook was for using Windows when I need it. The portability is a nice plus. Does anyone have any experience with any of these upgrades or have an opinion? Thanks, Gary Hello Gary, My humble 2¢ worth: Presuming that your present video card is a non-Core Image supported OEM unit (hence the desire to upgrade), obtaining a replacement would be the greatest value-based option as outlined (most bang with least amount of $). I too thought once of obtaining one of the CPU upgrades you mentioned, but thought otherwise once the price was soberly considered (the prices you mentioned tend to be very stable even at eBay prices, i.e. no bargains to be had). $600 easily nets you a good used G5 tower, where a dual 1.8GHz CPU (I am thinking of the June 2004 models or later) is serviced by a minimum bus speed of 800MHz (compared to the maximum bus speed of 167MHz on a G4). If you must upgrade the CPU, perhaps shop for a lateral move to a dual-CPU OEM 1.25GHz unit, which would be a help to your Photoshop usage, and most likely net you a cheaper price. In the end, at $600 a pop, I would be shopping for G5s. Again, just my 2¢ worth. Best wishes, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: basic OS X finder question
On 12/15/08 11:37 PM, joe of j...@joethejuggler.com sent On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM, joe wrote: I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11 Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory? I don't want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file names to put them in a text file. This is in 10.5, but I am pretty sure it works in 10.4 also. In either list view or column view, select the items you want a list of, right click or control click on one of them and select Copy xxx items. Open a new Text Edit document, make it plain text and paste. It will paste the list of names. Note that if the document is set for Rich Text Format, it will try and place the actual documents. That's it! Thanks! I tried it with rtf and --since the files in question were images--it pasted the images in. Yup--this works in 10.4. Thanks again! Joe Hmm... Very interesting. I tried this (in Leopard) as instructed to my list of Application names. TextEdit made a QuickTime movie out of the entries, not an RTF document of the entries. What happened? -Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Clark Martin wrote: This file was called simply . which you can't name a file to. Yes, you can add a . to the beginning of a filename but you can't make it just .. Or it was called . which is a common trick for hiding files, and easily typoed. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 15, 2008, at 5:08 PM, D Stubbs wrote: Through Inventory X I see a folder in my 10.3.9 partition that has no more name than a 'period'. thats all [ . ] It has 4.3 gigs of duplicated user and administrator stuff - good grief. This will take some terminal work. Find the full name of the folder holding this file (if it is a partion separate from your boot partition, this will start with /Volumes/...). Inventory X should be able to show you this. Start /Applications/Utilities/Terminal and type: cd /Volumes/rest of the name Be EXACT. Spelling, case, and spaces count! Include the marks and substitute the rest of the name for rest of the name Once you've done that hit enter. Now type: ls -al and hit enter. Copy and paste everything that shows up and send it to us here. It will take a bit of detective work to determine the exact name of this folder (It only looks like it's called ., the most likely suspect is that it's called . a period followed by a space.) Then we can give you the terminal command to safely delete it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: basic OS X finder question
On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Dana Collins wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: This is in 10.5, but I am pretty sure it works in 10.4 also. In either list view or column view, select the items you want a list of, right click or control click on one of them and select Copy xxx items. Open a new Text Edit document, make it plain text and paste. It will paste the list of names. Note that if the document is set for Rich Text Format, it will try and place the actual documents. Hmm... Very interesting. I tried this (in Leopard) as instructed to my list of Application names. TextEdit made a QuickTime movie out of the entries, not an RTF document of the entries. What happened? -Dana Did you change the document type in TextEdit to plain text before pasting? Did you have a QT movie in your Application folder? When I did this by Selecting All (85 items) in my Application Folder and pasted them into a Plain Text formatted TextEdit document, I got a list of all 85 Applications and items in that folder. When I did this with a TextEdit Document that was formatted for Rich Text Format (you can tell by the formatting options- styles, spacing, alignment that appear), I get 31 icons, some of them applications, some generic folders. Where did the rest go? I don't know and this is subject of another thread if anyone is wondering. RTF documents can hold many things, including qt movies, images, etc. This is in 10.4.11. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need new external HDD's - should i buy RAID units???
At 3:06 PM -0800 12/15/2008, darkey wrote:
what errors make their way onto a RAID unit that a clone backup
won't be vulnerable to?
If something goes wrong on your file system, the errors are reflected
into the RAID volumes immediately. The easiest example is if you
delete the wrong files. They're deleted off the RAID volumes also!
So as a backup, the RAID is useless.
How is this different than a clone - and it's subsequent backups?
A clone is a file-level bootable backup of your system, normally kept
*disconnected*. It is updated only when you connect it to your
system and run the backup app. IOW, those files you accidentally
deleted, will still be on the clone!
Time Machine is a file-level backup mechanism that runs periodically.
It's new and it's not 100% reliable yet. That's why many folx don't
like it.
How is *this* different than a clone - and it's subsequent backups?
Time Machine uses a proprietary format, with hooks into the OS, to
keep your TM backup up-to-date. It really wants the backup volume
kept online... so it is vulnerable to system failures.
Is it true that you can NOT boot from a TM backup?
You have to use Apple's tool to create a bootable system from the TM
backup. Depending on the size of your boot volume, this can take
hours. A TM backup is NOT a hot bootable clone.
When swapping drives weekly, what is the procedure to update the
freshly swapped drive?
Just use CCC or SuperDuper to update the drive. It will replace only
the changed files, so the update won't even take that long.
So when re-connecting the alternate {external #2} drive, what type
of backup do I select; ie, incremental, update, etc - or do i need to
reclone the drive again; I absolutely want the ability to be able to
boot from whatever external I have ... as you can see - my luck isn't
so hot!
The terminology changes depending on which app you use, but for the
most part update and incremental are interchangeable.
Once you create the clone in the first place (aka populate the
volume), you just run updates / incrementals. They compare the
original to the clone then update the things that have changed.
Put CarbonCopyCloner on your Mac now, launch it, and look thru it.
Read the docs. As long as you don't hit that Clone button (which
subsequently will require your admin password anyway), it will do no
harm...
In CarbonCopyCloner, you select the whole source drive, then under
Cloning options you select Incremental backup then check *both*
Delete items that don't exist on the source and Archive modified
and deleted items. Those two checked options together, are very
important. The first says to make the destination identical to the
source -- a fully bootable clone. The second tells CCC to move the
changed things aside, into a special folder. (Special folder is a
misnomer; it's just a folder at the top level of your backup volume
with a name that begins with _CCC. CCC knows to ignore it on
subsequent backups.)
Each time you run the incremental with CCC, using those options, it
will add another special folder at the top level of your clone. This
is CCC's equivalent of the history Time Machine is trying to provide.
But unlike TM - that clone IS bootable and the history is directly
perusable in the Finder. Those folders contain the files you deleted
/ modified, even after you've made the rest of the clone idential to
your source! When you get around to it, once you know you don't need
the data, you can trash those special folders.
Note that there is no such fast update for RAID1. Because it is
block-level, it will have to re-write the whole drive every time you
reconnect it. Some RAID hardware is a smart enough to read both
drives and compare the data and only write what's needed... but
still, it requires reading EVERY block on both the drives...
I see the GM unit from OWC will automatically update the other drive
in the enclosure should one need to be replaced. Is that the same
thing?
yes. Note also that while a RAID volume is being updated like that,
its i/o system will be very heavily used - so the whole thing will be
sluggish for hours.
Beyond that, should i get a RAID1 unit, what is involved in getting
the freshly swapped drive to accurately - and *SIMPLY* - back up my
internal HDD?
IF that particular RAID unit supports hot swapping drives... and IF
the RAID is working properly... You plug the drive into the box, the
box automagically does a *complete* block-level copy onto the drive,
and hours and hours later you can just pull the drive.
heh. That sounds like it's making a backup, right? N. It's
adding the drive to the RAID! As you make changes in your system
(ie, accidentally delete files) it's doing it on the RAID also!
AND while the drive is being populated the whole RAID system's
performance will be degraded.
Likewise, that your history of changes (those deleted files), that
would have been
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
At 8:43 AM -0700 12/16/08, Bruce Johnson posted: I've had no issues on either of my PPC systems with 10.5, but I'm not running the same hardware/software you are. Bruce reminded me of a problem I had upgrading my BW. As it turned out, removing all the cards/externals/etc plus replacing the upgraded video card to the stock video card fixed the problem. I was able to restart the computer several times with the stock card, and then replace it with the upgraded card (plus resetting the PRAM). From that point onwards, it ran smoothly even as I added back the internal cards. Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Security Fix
On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: A hint: it's common nickname is VileFault...don't use if you value your data. What it does is turn your entire home folder into an encrypted disk image that the system opens on login. On logout, it closes it. Hi Bruce and all ~ So there's a reason that Apple's stock is dipping lately ... They're kinda dropping down there a bit there on some fronts? Kris, it wasn't in the browser, I got the message on startup of Mac OS 10.4.11. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: basic OS X finder question
On Dec 15, 2008, at 5:41 PM, joe wrote: I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11 Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory? I don't want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file names to put them in a text file. I am assuming you need the actual text, but on occasion I've needed something similar, and I've just made a screen snap of the file. It's then a bitmap file, which is useful for some things (CD Table of Contents) but not others. OR - and here's a really funky workaround. Make that screen snap, print it out, scan it using OCR, and then copy and paste the text. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need new external HDD's - should i buy RAID units???
At 3:25 PM -0800 12/15/2008, darkey wrote: after posting, I discovered on their website that the Guardian and OWC units are safe to store well below 0°. Operation temps are a different story however. Be *VERY* careful. Drives are very sensitive to heat and moisture. They're meant to be run dry, at room temperature. If you bring a drive in from the cold, expect to let it sit for a few hours before using it! The condensation alone, from just a few degrees of temperature differential, can kill it... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:25 AM, D Stubbs wrote:
OK, I have never opened Terminal App, interesting, it opened with a
page
titled
Terminal-Bash-80x24
On this page it has 3 lines of text, but the cursor is not active on
this
page to enter anything,
The cursor is active, just not visible:
Here's what it looks like on mine:
Last login: Mon Dec 15 16:38:32 on ttys002
dbdev2:~ johnson$
Since I have my cursor set (via preferences) to an unblinking block
there's a block sitting at the end of the line 'dbdev2:~ johnson$'
If that window is active, simply typing will put the command text in
the window. This is the infamous 'command-line interface', and that
last line is called a 'command prompt'. What it shows can be changed,
but it shows me some useful information. Here's the various parts and
their meaning:
dbdev2 This is the name of the computer I'm using. While this may
seem nonsensical (of course I know what computer I'm using!) it's very
useful, since I can connect to other computers in terminal, using
various commands, so It's VERY useful to know what computer you're
dealing with...)
:~ This shows the current directory and a unix shortcut. a tilde ~
is shorthand for 'the logged on user's home directory' (Which explains
the tee shirt I have that says There's no place like ~ :-)
johnson This shows the current user name. Since I can change to
other users, on the same computer, this is again, very useful
information.
Finally there's $ which is just an arbitrary symbol being used to
delineate the end of the prompt from whatever commands you may type.
All the action takes place in the window, not via menus.
You said The folder is within my boot OS10.3.9 partition which I'm
not entirely clear what you mean. This requires a short side trip into
How Unix is Organized so we can start talking the same language.
Conceptually, no matter how many disks or partitions you have, your
Mac organizes it's files as a single, large tree. Branches are
separated by '/' symbols and can either be directories (== folders in
the finder) or files.
Everything starts at the root (as trees do :-) which is always on the
boot partition, and everything is linked, so you can work out a single
route (called a 'path') from the root to any file or directory on the
system.
For example, I have a file called photo.jpg in my documents folder. If
you click on the your boot drive in the finder, you'll see a folder
that lists a number of folders System, Library, Users, etc.
Your user directory is in Users, and in the finder you would click on
your home directory and then documents to get to the folder holding
that file photo.jpg.
To get there in Terminal I type cd (change directory) followed by
the names of the folders enclosing it in a list, separated by '/'s:
cd /Users/johnson/Documents
And hit return.
dbdev2:~ johnson$ cd /Users/johnson/Documents
dbdev2:Documents johnson$
The command completes, but notice, the part befor 'johnson$' now says
Documents, which is the name of the current folder.
Since the command is done, and completed without error, I'm just left
again at a command prompt.
If I do the ls command ('list') It lists the names of those files:
dbdev2:Documents johnson$ ls
A Brief History of Doubt.dvdprojcamo drumstick II.s3d
Acrobat camo drumstick cx.jpg
Address Book - 8:13:07.abbu clarks list.xls
Adobe Readercomic_art.html
Advising Sheet.pdf comic_art_files
ArcSoft cop_email_totals.xls
...
And drops me back to a command prompt again.
If I type:
cd /
That takes me to the root of my whole system, and if I type ls, you'll
see some interesting things:
dbdev2:/ johnson$ ls
ApplicationsUsers
Desktop (Mac OS 9) Volumes
Desktop DB automount
Desktop DF bin
Desktop Folder cores
DesktopPrinters DB dev
Developer doc
Fetch Art.app etc
Installation Loghome
Library iWork '08 Install CD.dmg
Microsoft Office 2004.dmg mach
Network mach_kernel
OpenFolderListDF? mach_kernel.ctfsys
Perl_Bookshelf mds-crash-state
Presentation1.ppt net
Previous Systems.localized opt
SophosQuarantineprivate
StuffIt STD 703 Classic Install sbin
StuffItSTD703Classic.hqxsw
System tmp
TheVolumeSettingsFolder usr
Trash var
User Guides And Information
Some of these things (Applications, USers, System, etc) correspond to
things that you see in the Finder, some don't show, like etc, net,
usr, var
As you've probably guessed by now, unix was desinged to read like a
'if u cn rd ths, u cn mk gd mny' ad from the
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
D Stubbs wrote: OK, I have never opened Terminal App, interesting, it opened with a page titled Terminal-Bash-80x24 On this page it has 3 lines of text, but the cursor is not active on this page to enter anything, so I looked under Files menu and see something called New Shell and New Command, are one of these where I enter ? cd /Volumes/rest of the name The folder is within my boot OS10.3.9 partition, and looking at its contents I see it has iTunes and iPhoto material from last year I would like to re-capture - rather than just trash thanks much, Del You don't get the flashing vertical line cursor because you are not entering text as in a text editor. You get a block cursor for typing in commands. The cursor comes from old style terminals. Just go ahead and type in the commands, the characters will appear and the cursor will advance. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Steve R wrote: At 8:43 AM -0700 12/16/08, Bruce Johnson posted: I've had no issues on either of my PPC systems with 10.5, but I'm not running the same hardware/software you are. Bruce reminded me of a problem I had upgrading my BW. As it turned out, removing all the cards/externals/etc plus replacing the upgraded video card to the stock video card fixed the problem. I was able to restart the computer several times with the stock card, and then replace it with the upgraded card (plus resetting the PRAM). From that point onwards, it ran smoothly even as I added back the internal cards. Steve R Thanks. You have 10.5 running on a BW? When I did my QS's Nuke Pave to 10.5.5, I removed all my PCI cards (M-Audio 2496, Sonnet Tango USB/FW) except I needed to keep the Rosewill 10/100/1000 NIC (on board ethernet fried last year), and also kept the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition. Perhaps I should have replaced the video with the old, still functional, nvidia Geforce 4MX? Another continued to this thread is under construction ... maybe overly detailed ... offering an ASP Report offlist ... just a heads-up ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update Available
At 1:58 PM -0600 12/15/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: PPC G5 I'm using a non-Apple 802.11n card (Netgear WN311B) that requires patching with the bcm43xx_enabler_0.5.1pre.sh.zip to be recognized as Airport. After the [OS X 10.5.6] update I had no wireless connection and needed to redo the patch. The patch worked fine, the card is recognized as Airport and the connection is fine. Is this the first update that has required you to re-install that 3rd party driver? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I've had no issues on either of my PPC systems with 10.5, but I'm not running the same hardware/software you are. Does this happen when you boot in safe mode (I dont remember...this has been a long thread...) Yes it has been a long thread (LOL) ... that's why I tried to start over again, with 10.5.6. Things seem to be partially running ... except this morning, first login was long with a lengthy blue screen that resolved into my Login window (I have disabled auto login). My hardware: QS 2002 Native G4 Dual 1GHz 512MB RAM (1 stick tested using Memtest (via Applejack) in Single User Mode in each of 3 slots) OS X 10.5.6 Slot 1 ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Mac Edition from OWC) Slot 2 empty Slot 3 M-Audio 2496 audio card officially supported by M-Audio under 10.5.5 (although their Uninstaller officially won't work) Slot 4 Sonnet Tango FW400/USB1.1 Slot 5 Rosewill 10/100/1000 NIC Following USB devices, some requiring their own drivers connected: Apple USB KB and Mouse (hardwired) Logitech Wireless KB and Mouse (always on, sometimes battery in mouse has been drained (needs external recharging, antennae base (no longer charges mouse) plugged into mobo USB) Yamaha motif es8 digital piano KB (mostly Off at Startup, has USB- MIDI driver installed) Following FW devices (usually off): OWC Elite 911 Bridge USB/FW external HD with 750GB Seagate ATA drive Verbatum CD/RW External FW/USB2 case Seagate 80GB HD External FW case Other factors: File Sharing turned on, and might seek out an ethernet connected Yikes! Mac named Acoustic Piano Mac, usually on when I turn on the Moonstone Art Studio ... Mac. Remote Login is on, as I use it to Network Backup using CCC 3.1.3 from my Yikes! to the QS. I was able to access the system log file to save the most current ASP output. (Could send it to someone offlist if they feel up to taking a look). To tell you the truth, I cannot remember exactly what happened with the initial startup this morning, but I believe this is what would be found in the current system log (1-2-3-4): December 16: 1. First startup, after Off (not unplugged) all night, I think it went to a point and kp-d 2. Then on little button below the power button restart, took a long time to come up, but after a lengthy blue screen, resolved into my Login Window. I then did a Time Machine backup, which ran successfully; then, created an ASP report, which also ran successfully (having kp-d before in other startups, when it got to the saving of the system logs). 3. Safe Boot restart took a long time to reach Login Window, Blue Screen then went quick to resolve to Desktop. 4. Restart, not so long to reach Login Window, but lengthy Blue Screen returned, then resolved to Desktop. I noted the M-Audio Delta 2496 driver did not load during this restart. Another Restart would probably cause it to load. After 1-4 above, successfully created a current ASP Report file name is: moonstone-art-studios-power-mac-g4After10.5.6_1-4.spx I know ... long filename ... long response ... long thread ... I'm calling it persistence ... some might call it OCD. Any comments? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
At 2:02 PM -0500 12/15/2008, insightinmind wrote: On my QS Dual 1GHz, I did a Nuke Pave, returning the system to 10.5.5. Along the way, everything appeared to be fine: Installed my M-Audio driver, waited a few restarts ... Installed my Logitech Wireless KB Mouse driver, waited a few restarts ... Installed my Yamaha motif es8 USB-MIDI driver, waited a few restarts ... Everything appeared fine. Now after a couple of days down, on Restart, I'm back to getting a blue screen on Startup. It eventually resolves into the Desktop, but my M-Audio driver didn't load, and I noticed my wireless mouse battery needed recharging. The Logitech software you installed - exactly which was it, and which version? Does it include LCC Scroll Enhancer? IOKit is shown as where the system pauses because it doesn't quiesce ... looking at the system restart using command-V. Depends on the full context of the messages. The thing that's hanging could be what you see, but it more likely is the *next* thing that hasn't written to console yet. Most things spew to console *after* they've done something. My gut feeling is that you have a hardware issue. BUT... if you've installed LCC Scroll Enhancer, then you've added a VERY buggy evil InputManager to your system -- that loads into EVERYTHING. So the first thing I would recommend, is that you rip it out... To do this, you have to manually remove *ALL* of LCC Scroll Enhancer: /Library/Application Enhancers/LCC Scroll Enhancer.ape/ /Library/Application Support/Logitech/LCC Scroll Enhancer.bundle /Library/InputManagers/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader /Library/ScriptingAdditions/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader.osax The .ape might not be there, if you're using a more up to date version of LCC. After removing the above, go check your user ~/Library/ folder for the same. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
At 12:45 PM -0500 12/16/08, Dan posted: We *know* that 10.5.5 is stable. Err.. no, we don't know that. Some of us are having problems after updating to 10.5.5. For example, I have gone from upwards of ten kernel panics requiring restarts per day with 10.5.5 to zero, nada, none after downgrading to 10.5.4. I'm still using the same apps, still using the same hardware -- and my system is no longer crashing. I was ready to pitch this useless piece of shit off the balcony until I downgraded to a stable version. There's something about 10.5.5 that is not stable with some older Macs that still meet the hardware requirements set out by Apple. That's why I've suggested to Bill that he start over and not upgrade past 10.5.4. He won't be able to use Software Update to do that. It may solve his ongoing problems, it may not. We won't know unless he can find the time (and the desire) to give it a try. Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
Whew, to think this stuff is translatable! But then some of my metallurgy horticulture discussions aren't much better... here goes...( rocky was our pet racoon of course) Del Last login: Tue Dec 16 10:12:20 on ttyp1 Welcome to Darwin! Rocky-Woodys-Computer:~ rockywoody$ cd / Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -al total 10729 drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 6148 29 Oct 2003 .DS_Store drw--- 7 root admin238 31 Mar 2008 .Spotlight-V100 d-wx-wx-wt 2 root admin 68 6 Apr 2008 .Trashes -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel156 12 Sep 2003 .hidden -rw--- 1 root admin 131072 12 May 2007 .hotfiles.btree dr--r--r-- 2 root wheel256 16 Dec 08:34 .vol drwxrwxr-x 78 root admin 2652 16 Dec 10:04 Applications -rw-r--r-- 1 rockywoo admin 0 31 Dec 1969 Desktop -rwxr-xr-x 1 rockywoo unknown 245760 8 Dec 07:51 Desktop DB -rwxr-xr-x 1 rockywoo unknown 557682 22 Aug 07:43 Desktop DF drwxr-xr-x 2 rockywoo unknown 68 31 Mar 2006 Desktop Folder -rw-r--r-- 1 rockywoo admin 18800 21 Dec 2006 Installer Log File drwxrwxr-t 41 root admin 1394 5 Aug 20:36 Library drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin102 1 Jun 2006 MacHelp.help drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel512 16 Dec 12:13 Network drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel136 27 May 2008 System drwxr-xr-x 2 rockywoo admin 68 6 Apr 2008 Temporary Items drwxr-xr-x 2 rockywoo unknown 68 1 Apr 2006 TheFindByContentFolder drwxr-xr-x 4 rockywoo unknown 136 3 Sep 2006 TheVolumeSettingsFolder drwxr-xr-x 2 rockywoo unknown 68 31 Mar 2006 Trash drwxr-xr-x 4 root admin136 28 Mar 2008 Users drwxrwxrwt 10 root admin340 16 Dec 10:27 Volumes -rw-r--r-- 1 rockywoo admin 0 14 Dec 18:20 Widgets drwxr-xr-x 4 root admin136 31 Dec 1969 automount drwxr-xr-x 35 root wheel 1190 14 Nov 2007 bin drwxrwxr-t 2 root admin 68 12 Sep 2003 cores dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel512 16 Dec 08:34 dev lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 1 Jun 2006 etc - private/etc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 9 16 Dec 08:34 mach - /mach.sym -r--r--r-- 1 root admin 571184 16 Dec 08:34 mach.sym -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel3872560 30 Mar 2005 mach_kernel drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel170 16 Dec 08:34 private drwxr-xr-x 62 root wheel 2108 14 Nov 2007 sbin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 1 Jun 2006 tmp - private/tmp drwxr-xr-x 11 root wheel374 18 Dec 2007 usr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 1 Jun 2006 var - private/var Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Dan wrote: The Logitech software you installed - exactly which was it, and which version? Does it include LCC Scroll Enhancer? LCC 2.6.0 ... which apparently installed the Scroll Enhancer. So ... I will ... manually remove *ALL* of LCC Scroll Enhancer: /Library/Application Enhancers/LCC Scroll Enhancer.ape/ /Library/Application Support/Logitech/LCC Scroll Enhancer.bundle /Library/InputManagers/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader /Library/ScriptingAdditions/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader.osax The .ape might not be there, if you're using a more up to date version of LCC. ... would that mean one less monkey off our backs? After removing the above, go check your user ~/Library/ folder for the same. I can do this by simply dragging then to the Trash? I only have one User Account, in which I have Admin Rights and Privileges ... expecting the need to Authenticate. Apologies for moving on to 10.5.6. Someone suggested awhile ago Vendors might be waiting for 10.5.6 to provide their fixes for things ... figured I have a better chance getting things to move ahead ... maybe Apple had fixed some of their own ... One monkey off another back on? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Security Fix
On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Hi Bruce and all ~ So there's a reason that Apple's stock is dipping lately ... Nah, that would be the fact that the entire economy is doing it's best Titanic impression lately, and clueless and/or venal analysts on Wall Street issuing idiotic advice. Apple is selling Macbooks and pros as fast as they can be made, and the iPhone is emerging as the gold standard for smartphones...it's beginning to look like Apple's going to own that market like they own the music player one. They're surpassing RIM in sales, and have relegated Windows Mobile devices to the dusty back of the pack...again, they aimed for where the puck was, and today there's Apple, with the iPhone/App store (Killer App store is more like it) and a whole bunch of other cellphone industry players chasing the puck, like a gaggle of 7-year olds playing soccer. They have been able to keep up their sales without killing margins, like other computer companies have had to do, and they're sitting on a walloping pile of cash and have no debt. They're pretty well ideally set to weather a serious recession. Gee, it's as if smart people run the company or something...:-) Then again, clueless and venal pretty much defines Wall Street these days. Off topic, but for a truly eye-opening account of How we got into this mess account, read http://tinyurl.com/5s5w2b which is by the author of Liars Poker, the seminal account of Wall Street's greed and excess back in the 80's... They're kinda dropping down there a bit there on some fronts? Nah, FileVault is a stopgap security measure that really should never have been implemented, imo. Ideally you want an encrypting file system, where individual files are encrypted on the drive, and decrypted when opened up. That's not a really workable 'this generation' solution...such systems exist (for example Pretty Good Privacy can do this) but there are significant processing hits to it. If you want to keep files safe, you can use a variant of the FileVault system: create password-protected disk images via Disk Utility and use those to store your sensitive information. This is preferable because if something messes those up all you lose is those files, not your entire user directory. Moreover, you can store, for example, each client's files in a different disk image, thus distributing your eggs among several baskets. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update Available
This might just be co-incidence (haven't yet tested it through multiple restarts) but my InDesign CS3 (5.0.4) now hides on apple-H, which has always been a bugbear. Maybe - just maybe - some of the other quirky-rather-than-fatal conflicts 'twixt Leopard InDesign CS3 might have been sorted. Ted (Early 2005 G5 Dual 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM (4# DIMM-Slot model), 10.5.6 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?
Excuse me if you have done both updates. --glen excuse accepted! ;-) Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:18 AM, D Stubbs wrote: Last login: Tue Dec 16 10:12:20 on ttyp1 Welcome to Darwin! Rocky-Woodys-Computer:~ rockywoody$ cd / Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -al total 10729 drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 .. Holy crap...this is going to be a bit more difficult than I thought. You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. They have to have different inode numbers or they would not (in theory) show up twice, but this is getting into Let me repair myself to Google for a while before I come up with an answer. I'll have to see how Inventory X shows things, and see if that offers a clue. Long story short, I think something went 'kablooey' in your disk directory at one point. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
At 12:24 PM -0500 12/16/08, insightinmind posted: On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Steve R wrote: At 8:43 AM -0700 12/16/08, Bruce Johnson posted: I've had no issues on either of my PPC systems with 10.5, but I'm not running the same hardware/software you are. Bruce reminded me of a problem I had upgrading my BW. As it turned out, removing all the cards/externals/etc plus replacing the upgraded video card to the stock video card fixed the problem. I was able to restart the computer several times with the stock card, and then replace it with the upgraded card (plus resetting the PRAM). From that point onwards, it ran smoothly even as I added back the internal cards. Steve R Thanks. You have 10.5 running on a BW? When I did my QS's Nuke Pave to 10.5.5, I removed all my PCI cards (M-Audio 2496, Sonnet Tango USB/FW) except I needed to keep the Rosewill 10/100/1000 NIC (on board ethernet fried last year), and also kept the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition. Perhaps I should have replaced the video with the old, still functional, nvidia Geforce 4MX? Sorry for any confusion re BW -- the install/upgrade problems occur with prior systems, but I learned to always go back to the basics after that week long frustration that included discovering I needed to use the ADB mouse and not the USB mouse. What I would try here, were I in your situation, is yet another nuke/pave of Leopard but (1) using the combo updater from Apple, (2) only going as far as 10.5.4, (3) removing the NIC card once you've downloaded the updater, and (4) going back to the older video card. Assuming your installer DVD is 10.5.0, and assuming you have Toast, I'd make a copy of the installer DVD and have Toast use Disk Recovery to check the original disk for any errors. You won't have to burn the disk because you can Save As Disc Image. Assuming the disc is okay, after removing all cards including the NIC and upgraded video card, I'd have the installer disc zero out the drive or partition you intend on using. One pass should be enough. Then I'd install that very basic system, no extra languages, no printer files, no X11. See if you can restart without the ongoing problems you've been experiencing. Open a few of the Apple apps, create and save a few files, log out a few times, customise some preferences, do a few more restarts. If you can do all this, leave it running for 30 minutes, come back and see if you can still open.close apps, create files, log out, restart. Then reinstall the NIC card and go online for a bit. If you are behind a router, bypass it and let Network Preferences log you in Automatically if that's at all possible. Log out/restart. Use Software Update to update only those *apps* you really need updated -- Quicktime, whatever. If you don't need all the features that are being updated, don't update. Reinstall the video card. Play around for a bit. Log out/restart. Add back the PCI cards. Play around. Log out/restart. Use the downloaded combo updater to take you only as far as 10.5.4. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosx1054comboupdate.html If your problem returns (assuming you've had no problem so far), remove all the PCI cards including the NIC and go back to the original video card. Now try the update to 10.5.4. If that is successful (you can play, log out/restart), go back and start adding the extra hardware back to the system. A standard troubleshooting technique used by telco is to half the problem, ie if you've kept note of what you added back and in what order, add back only half the list. If the problem persists, split that half in half until you can isolate which piece of hardware doesn't play nice. I'd also suggest keeping a written log of every piece of software you add and use. Time consuming, yes. Frustrating, oh yes. Walk away if need be ;-) Have a smoke on the deck, pet your dog (touch the case to ground the static), make love to your significant other. Do whatever you need to do to stay mellow. Your Mac can tell when you're upset :-) Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
At 1:26 PM -0500 12/16/2008, insightinmind wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Dan wrote: The Logitech software you installed - exactly which was it, and which version? Does it include LCC Scroll Enhancer? LCC 2.6.0 ... which apparently installed the Scroll Enhancer. So ... I will ... manually remove *ALL* of LCC Scroll Enhancer: /Library/Application Enhancers/LCC Scroll Enhancer.ape/ /Library/Application Support/Logitech/LCC Scroll Enhancer.bundle /Library/InputManagers/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader /Library/ScriptingAdditions/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader.osax The .ape might not be there, if you're using a more up to date version of LCC. ... would that mean one less monkey off our backs? Hopefully. After removing the above, go check your user ~/Library/ folder for the same. I can do this by simply dragging then to the Trash? Yes, but then (I forgot to mention) you must reboot, as the ones in /Library were loaded into EVERYTHING, even the system daemons! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Seagate drive quality (announcement)
Well, I guess this means all bets are off. To me, Seagate was a name that indicated drives of the highest quality... but if the company doesn't have faith in their own products... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/12/12/seagate_cuts_bare_drive_warranty/ For products purchased on or after January 3, 2009, the limited warranty period for consumer electronics, notebook and personal storage bare drives sold to Seagate Authorized Distributors will be changed from 5 to 3 years. sigh. A Seagate Bare Drive Warranty Change FAQ strongly rebuts any suggestion that this reflects lower confidence in product quality. Yea right. ROFLMAO. What's next? A 23% repair rate on Mac laptops? Smaller crackers in the box for the same price? I know, 3.5 oz yogurt in the 6 oz cup! sigh. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:18 AM, D Stubbs wrote: Last login: Tue Dec 16 10:12:20 on ttyp1 Welcome to Darwin! Rocky-Woodys-Computer:~ rockywoody$ cd / Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -al total 10729 drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 .. Holy crap...this is going to be a bit more difficult than I thought. You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. Do this in the same directory: ls -ai and just send the part corresponding to the above section... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
At 11:47 AM -0700 12/16/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:18 AM, D Stubbs wrote: Last login: Tue Dec 16 10:12:20 on ttyp1 Welcome to Darwin! Rocky-Woodys-Computer:~ rockywoody$ cd / Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -al total 10729 drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 .. Holy crap...this is going to be a bit more difficult than I thought. whoa. yea. What he said. I've never seen that before! You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. They have to have different inode numbers or they would not (in theory) show up twice, but this is getting into Let me repair myself to Google for a while before I come up with an answer. Unless you find something simple, my instinct is to go for the sledgehammer. That volume cannot be trusted, so back up the user files, nuke, and repave. Do it NOW before the xtra .sinkhole swallows the universe. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Leopard on G4 dual 450 mhz?
I'm setting up a Gigabit Ethernet G4 with dual 450 mhz cpus and 768 mb RAM as a developer's computer for my girlfriend's son. I'm reading that the latest version of Xcode only runs on Leopard, so I want to know if this set up will run Leopard all right. Elsewise, would it be a big handicap for him to use an older version of Xcode and Panther? I imagine it'll mostly be an educational thing for him, but I wouldn't want it to be so slow that it's a lousy experience. TIA Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Steve R wrote: At 12:45 PM -0500 12/16/08, Dan posted: We *know* that 10.5.5 is stable. Err.. no, we don't know that. Some of us are having problems after updating to 10.5.5. For example, I have gone from upwards of ten kernel panics requiring restarts per day with 10.5.5 to zero, nada, none after downgrading to 10.5.4. I'm still using the same apps, still using the same hardware -- and my system is no longer crashing. I was ready to pitch this useless piece of shit off the balcony until I downgraded to a stable version. There's something about 10.5.5 that is not stable with some older Macs that still meet the hardware requirements set out by Apple. That's why I've suggested to Bill that he start over and not upgrade past 10.5.4. He won't be able to use Software Update to do that. It may solve his ongoing problems, it may not. We won't know unless he can find the time (and the desire) to give it a try. I might try a few exorcisms on 10.5.6 first ... like removing the LCC 2.6.0 Scroll Enhancer ... then do the Surrender Return to a Nuke Pave to 10.5.4. Best way is to install my DVD Leopard version (10.5 Retail), then download 10.5.4 Combo ? http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ macosx1054comboupdate.html and resist which updates? 10.5.5, 10.5.6, Combos but not others like Quicktime, iTunes, Safari, Security and Java? I have an Oct 25 Time Machine backup ... but it has all My Bad enhancement apps I was playing with, including the Zydas Wireless drivers and such. Can't remember what version OS X probably 10.5.4, and a quick look didn't reveal what Time Machine had there for me. May be better to go with Nuke Pave, if my exorcisms don't rid me of the appropriate daemons (sic) ... (Just read the 2 other e-mails ... THANKS .. My significant other of 12 years moved out a month ago ... if I become frustrated, guess I'll just have to resort to petting the dog ...) Almost afraid to say Pun Intended Going for a walk ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Seagate drive quality (announcement)
On 12/16/08 10:46 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: What's next? A 23% repair rate on Mac laptops? Smaller crackers in the box for the same price? I know, 3.5 oz yogurt in the 6 oz cup! Actually. During the last survey done in 2007 the repair rate on Apple laptops was 41%. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:14 AM -0700 12/16/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: dbdev2 This is the name of the computer I'm using. While this may seem nonsensical and totally unimaginative. ug. Fix it. Unfortunately, if I rename it I have to fix a metric crapload of other stuff, and still put a cname entry for dbdev2 in our DNS hosts file. Besides it dates from pre-me here...when they got that 486/66 back in the day for the new database guy, they didn't know it was going to be me. It's got Tevve Traditin!/Tevve :-) I settle for naming my drives...Das Boot, Tardis (system and Time Machine drives respectively), and so forthat one point all my drives were named for Toho monsters (with icons to match)...I don't think I've EVER had a computer with Macintosh as the name of the drive :-) My home computers are called Swamp Thing and Jones (it started life as a Pismo, and well, I'd lived close to Long Island for a while...) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update Available
On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Dan wrote: Is this the first update that has required you to re-install that 3rd party driver? Don't know. I was using real Apple Airport 802.11g until 10.5.5, so this was the first update since I moved on to 802.11n. I've had no problems with my NetGear WN311B card using bcm43xx_enabler_0.5.1pre.sh.zip to enable it's recognition as real Airport. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:55 PM, D Stubbs wrote: I hope this is what you wanted...don't know what you mean by 'corresponding to..', I'm in awe, are you folks really from planet earth? Me thinks I'm a mere mortal. we-are-from-planet-geek. :-) (a lovely Minus 26F here in MN on this piece of mortal earth) Ah yes my wife was chortling over seeing Duluth's temps this morning. (Her family is originally from there) It's a mild fall day here 8-P Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -ai 2 .202615 TheFindByContentFolder 2 .202475 TheVolumeSettingsFolder 2 .. 202479 Trash 409379 .DS_Store 1630453 Users 1810078 .Spotlight-V1007090 Volumes 19 .Trashes 707196 Widgets At this point, I'm going to go with Dan's suggestion. I think something's seriously wrong with your file system, and backing up your user data (alas, it means abandoning the stuff in that 'lost' directory, but I'm not sure you can actually get to it.) would be the way to go. If you have (or have access to) the utility Disk Warrior, I'd give it a shot, but your system is NOT supposed to look like that. Back up your stuff, pull out the 10.3 disk and boot from it, reformatting the drive (the last option in the options after you choose the install disk,they call it 'Erase and install') as you go. If you use OS 9, don't forget to check the 'Include OS 9 drivers' when you reformat. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update Available
On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Ted Treen wrote: This might just be co-incidence (haven't yet tested it through multiple restarts) but my InDesign CS3 (5.0.4) now hides on apple-H, which has always been a bugbear. Adobe has been screwing with the standard keyboard shortcuts for a while now. This behavior may or may not last until Adobe breaks, I mean 'updates' InDesign again. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:18 AM, D Stubbs wrote: Last login: Tue Dec 16 10:12:20 on ttyp1 Welcome to Darwin! Rocky-Woodys-Computer:~ rockywoody$ cd / Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -al total 10729 drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 . drwxrwxr-t 42 root admin 1428 16 Dec 08:34 .. Holy crap...this is going to be a bit more difficult than I thought. You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. Do this in the same directory: ls -ai and just send the part corresponding to the above section... -= I hope this is what you wanted...don't know what you mean by 'corresponding to..', I'm in awe, are you folks really from planet earth? Me thinks I'm a mere mortal. (a lovely Minus 26F here in MN on this piece of mortal earth) Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ ls -ai 2 .202615 TheFindByContentFolder 2 .202475 TheVolumeSettingsFolder 2 .. 202479 Trash 409379 .DS_Store 1630453 Users 1810078 .Spotlight-V1007090 Volumes 19 .Trashes 707196 Widgets 214812 .hidden 206414 automount 45768 .hotfiles.btree 214387 bin 0 .vol 214813 cores 862 Applications 2 dev 408631 Desktop 214424 etc 521358 Desktop DB 2281599 mach 521357 Desktop DF 2281598 mach.sym 202480 Desktop Folder 833996 mach_kernel 734291 Installer Log File 21 private 2555 Library 214529 sbin 224151 MacHelp.help 214592 tmp 3 Network 214593 usr 209876 System 214805 var 1817721 Temporary Items Rocky-Woodys-Computer:/ rockywoody$ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
Holy crap...this is going to be a bit more difficult than I thought. whoa. yea. What he said. I've never seen that before! You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. They have to have different inode numbers or they would not (in theory) show up twice, but this is getting into Let me repair myself to Google for a while before I come up with an answer. Unless you find something simple, my instinct is to go for the sledgehammer. That volume cannot be trusted, so back up the user files, nuke, and repave. Do it NOW before the xtra .sinkhole swallows the universe. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth === Nuke and re-pave , Oh No! This funny folder has some old iPhoto .jpg's and iTunes mp3's I'd sure like to salvage, Then I'll let Trash swallow the universe now. (This is why I am so timid about upgrading to Tiger my new 160 GB HD - Ignorance aint always bliss - it took my ignorant hands to create this tiny dot sized mess! ) Del --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on G4 dual 450 mhz?
On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:15 PM, joe wrote: I'm setting up a Gigabit Ethernet G4 with dual 450 mhz cpus and 768 mb RAM as a developer's computer for my girlfriend's son. I'm reading that the latest version of Xcode only runs on Leopard, so I want to know if this set up will run Leopard all right. slowly, but people have done it. Simpler to spend a few bux and get a 1 or 1.2 Ghz upgrade for it; leopard runs quite happily on that (a gigE with a 1G upgrade is my home desktop) Get more memory too. a full gig will be useful for a developers box. Elsewise, would it be a big handicap for him to use an older version of Xcode and Panther? MASSIVE handicap. Go for 10.4 at the very least. It does depend on what kind of programming he intends to do. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: basic OS X finder question
dorayme wrote: On Dec 16, 10:04 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: ... Open the desired directory in Finder. start terminal type the letters cd followed by a space. Drag the little folder icon from the finder window to the line in terminal that you were just typing on. In Terminal hit return. Now type the following: ls directorylist.txt (You can call directorylist.txt anything you want) This will create a text file with a listing of each file in the directory on it's own line. The last bit did not work for me? Both: s directorylist.txt -bash: Is: command not found and sdirectorylist.txt -bash: Is: command not found That's because it's ls, ie. ell ess or in upper case LS. Type the command in lower case. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Shut down or restart
Shut down or restart does not work with software. Hardware Overview: Model Name: Power Mac G4 Model Identifier: PowerMac3,3 Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Processor Speed: 1 GHz Number Of CPUs: 1 L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed:100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 Serial Number:XB0471L7J3B Sales Order Number: M7891LL/A I must shutdown with the front switch or restart with the restart switch. This was happening with OS 10.5.5 so used the OS 10.5.6 comb updater thinking the problem would go away. It did not. Have run disk utility from the install disk.Problem persists Any ideas? I did a nuke and pave about a month ago. Norm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update Available
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Ted Treen wrote: This might just be co-incidence (haven't yet tested it through multiple restarts) but my InDesign CS3 (5.0.4) now hides on apple-H, which has always been a bugbear. Adobe has been screwing with the standard keyboard shortcuts for a while now. This behavior may or may not last until Adobe breaks, I mean 'updates' InDesign again. Correct: Everything else in CS3 (Illustrator, Photoshop etc. hides itself when told to: Up to this morning, InDesign wouldn't, not from the menu nor the keyboard. Screwing with Apple's programming guidelines, and other system-wide accepted conventions is something I might expect from Redmond, but I always thought Adobe were good guys in this respect. Maybe I'm just getting naive in my dotage... Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on G4 dual 450 mhz?
slowly, but people have done it. Simpler to spend a few bux and get a 1 or 1.2 Ghz upgrade for it; leopard runs quite happily on that (a gigE with a 1G upgrade is my home desktop) Get more memory too. a full gig will be useful for a developers box. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be buying a new cpu for it any time soon, and no more RAM at the moment. I've got Leopard because I never put it on my machine (AGP G4 with a 1.2ghz upgrade). I'm still running Tiger. Elsewise, would it be a big handicap for him to use an older version of Xcode and Panther? MASSIVE handicap. Go for 10.4 at the very least. It does depend on what kind of programming he intends to do. D'oh--I meant Tiger. Thanks, Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: basic OS X finder question
On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Dana Collins wrote: In either list view or column view, select the items you want a list of, right click or control click on one of them and select Copy xxx items. Open a new Text Edit document, make it plain text and paste. It will paste the list of names. Note that if the document is set for Rich Text Format, it will try and place the actual documents. That's it! Thanks! I tried it with rtf and --since the files in question were images--it pasted the images in. Yup--this works in 10.4. Thanks again! Joe Hmm... Very interesting. I tried this (in Leopard) as instructed to my list of Application names. TextEdit made a QuickTime movie out of the entries, not an RTF document of the entries. What happened? Sounds like the TextEdit doc was still set to rtf and one or more of the files was a movie (or something that would import as a movie). Try changing the doc to Plain Text before you paste. What Len and Clark said. . .. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why can't I update?
Hello, For the past two days I have been trying to update my eMac from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 using both single and combo method. Nothing works. One of the reasons given is it will not mount because of invalid checksum, whatever that is. I obviously need help. Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw whs...@verizon.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why can't I update?
My Reply follows quote. On 16/12/2008 12:50 whs...@verizon.net said: Hello, For the past two days I have been trying to update my eMac from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 using both single and combo method. Nothing works. One of the reasons given is it will not mount because of invalid checksum, whatever that is. I obviously need help. Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw whs...@verizon.net --- Way back in the Olden Days a checksum was, and must still be, a way to verify that a program was complete. My first guess is the updater you are trying to use did not properly download or did not properly unpack after downloading. I would suggest you try with a fresh download. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why can't I update?
On Dec 16, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: One of the reasons given is it will not mount because of invalid checksum, whatever that is? This means the downloaded disk image file is corrupted. The checksum is a sum calculated in a specific way such that if any single bit has been changed the sum will be different. When this is invalid it means the sum is not identical to the sum of the original file. You'll need to download the entire file again. If you get this twice, your HD may be going bad. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
No Sound
Hello, Ever since I have been using Mail on my eMac, I have always gotten a sound to indicate when mail has arrived. Suddenly, today, it stopped. Can anyone suggest a reason? I'm using 10.5.5. Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw whs...@verizon.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 3:09 PM, D Stubbs wrote: Holy crap...this is going to be a bit more difficult than I thought. whoa. yea. What he said. I've never seen that before! You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. They have to have different inode numbers or they would not (in theory) show up twice, but this is getting into Let me repair myself to Google for a while before I come up with an answer. Unless you find something simple, my instinct is to go for the sledgehammer. That volume cannot be trusted, so back up the user files, nuke, and repave. Do it NOW before the xtra .sinkhole swallows the universe. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth === Nuke and re-pave , Oh No! This funny folder has some old iPhoto .jpg's and iTunes mp3's I'd sure like to salvage, Then I'll let Trash swallow the universe now. (This is why I am so timid about upgrading to Tiger my new 160 GB HD - Ignorance aint always bliss - it took my ignorant hands to create this tiny dot sized mess! ) Del Well, COPY the stupid things then. DO IT NOW, as a part of backing everything up. If you really want and need those files, take the time to get them. Don't just dither about and not do anything productive because the won't retrieve easily, you can either get them, or they are gone, and the entries you are slathering about are useless/ meaningless. JMNHO Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
At 2:09 PM -0600 12/16/2008, D Stubbs wrote: Nuke and re-pave , Oh No! I know. But at this point you cannot trust your file system. And if you can't trust that foundation, you can't trust the installed OS on it either. So grab what you can of your user data then ... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shut down or restart
norm46 wrote: Shut down or restart does not work with software. Hardware Overview: Model Name: Power Mac G4 Model Identifier: PowerMac3,3 Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Processor Speed:1 GHz Number Of CPUs: 1 L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 Serial Number: XB0471L7J3B Sales Order Number: M7891LL/A I must shutdown with the front switch or restart with the restart switch. This was happening with OS 10.5.5 so used the OS 10.5.6 comb updater thinking the problem would go away. It did not. Have run disk utility from the install disk.Problem persists Any ideas? I did a nuke and pave about a month ago. Norm What does happen when you use the restart or shut down commands? Does it tell active applications to quit? Do some applications not quit? Can you log out? If so, can you then restart / shut down? Do you have any 3rd party drivers installed? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
At 1:55 PM -0600 12/16/2008, D Stubbs wrote: I'm in awe, are you folks really from planet earth? Me thinks I'm a mere mortal. (a lovely Minus 26F here in MN on this piece of mortal earth) But there is a price for such knowledge. Unix has been around since 1968. Long ago, the tomes overwrote socially relevant data in our brains - you know, those books we read in grade school, whole bible passages, advertising jingles, our first memories, last week's plot details of Lost Heroes BSG what was I saying? Oh yea. The good news is that because OS X has this ancient but stable underbelly, we can figure things out, hopefully. Sometimes. Unix _is_ user-friendly... it's just selective about who its friends are. There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. Bruce - I have a NIL-Shirt. ...The sleet is blowing at the house almost horizontally now, but it's only 34F. Just thinking of your -26 has me putting on a sweat-shirt. I need a warm cat. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on G4 dual 450 mhz?
Tiger will run great. But leopard will run like crap. I used the leopard assist thing on my digital audio 533MHZ. Once I started doing more than one thing it got ow. Don't run leopard -Jonas On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:41 PM, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: slowly, but people have done it. Simpler to spend a few bux and get a 1 or 1.2 Ghz upgrade for it; leopard runs quite happily on that (a gigE with a 1G upgrade is my home desktop) Get more memory too. a full gig will be useful for a developers box. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be buying a new cpu for it any time soon, and no more RAM at the moment. I've got Leopard because I never put it on my machine (AGP G4 with a 1.2ghz upgrade). I'm still running Tiger. Elsewise, would it be a big handicap for him to use an older version of Xcode and Panther? MASSIVE handicap. Go for 10.4 at the very least. It does depend on what kind of programming he intends to do. D'oh--I meant Tiger. Thanks, Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why can't I update?
On Dec 16, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: For the past two days I have been trying to update my eMac from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 using both single and combo method. Nothing works. One of the reasons given is it will not mount because of invalid checksum, whatever that is. I obviously need help. Thanks Invalid checksum means that the download wasn't quite right. (IIRC, you take a chunk of zeroes and ones--like 7 of them--then you set the eighth one to zero or one so that the number of ones added up is always odd or even. Or something like that.) Often you can get the dmg to mount by just skipping the verify process. Otherwise, try to download it again. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
Well, COPY the stupid things then. DO IT NOW, as a part of backing everything up. Of course I have ccc'd the entire partition already If you really want and need those files, take the time to get them. That is part what this discusson is , some folk helping me find how to get them, (sans slathering.) Simply ignore this thread from now on, you'll breathe easier, thanks Del Don't just dither about and not do anything productive because the won't retrieve easily, you can either get them, or they are gone, and the entries you are slathering about are useless/ meaningless. JMNHO Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on G4 dual 450 mhz?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:43 PM, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Tiger will run great. But leopard will run like crap. I used the leopard assist thing on my digital audio 533MHZ. Once I started doing more than one thing it got ow. Don't run leopard -Jonas I'll disagree on that. I'm running Leopard on a 450mhz single processor Sawtooth now with 1 gb RAM but for over a year with only 512 mb RAM. It's definitely slow but it is useable. I installed it on an external hard drive attached to a iBook G4 and then just moed it and connected it to my Sawtooth. Very easy and the external hard drive is faster than the slow internal drive. I find the speed loss compared to Tiger worth the benefit of learning Leopard amd maintaing only 1 OS on all my Macs.. Of course YMMV. Its definttely not as snappy as my MacBook Pro but still very useable for me. Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Seagate drive quality (announcement)
Dan wrote: Well, I guess this means all bets are off. To me, Seagate was a name that indicated drives of the highest quality... but if the company doesn't have faith in their own products... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/12/12/seagate_cuts_bare_drive_warranty/ For products purchased on or after January 3, 2009, the limited warranty period for consumer electronics, notebook and personal storage bare drives sold to Seagate Authorized Distributors will be changed from 5 to 3 years. sigh. A Seagate Bare Drive Warranty Change FAQ strongly rebuts any suggestion that this reflects lower confidence in product quality. Yea right. ROFLMAO. What's next? A 23% repair rate on Mac laptops? Smaller crackers in the box for the same price? I know, 3.5 oz yogurt in the 6 oz cup! sigh. - Dan. Take heart... I remember back to the 1980's and early '90's when you almost couldn't give a Seagate away - - - Horrible failure rates. At the time, one would look to Quantum and later Fujitsu for dependability. Ain't it time for the primitive mechanical drive to be replaced by a solid state equivalent? JT (Who still has internal combustion engines in his cars) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shut down or restart
adrunner.com wrote: Shut down or restart does not work with software. you can try shutting down or restarting using the terminal and seeing what error it gives.. just a thought. to shutdown and halt - $ sudo shutdown -h now or to restart $ sudo shutdown -r now it will ask you for your password, so just enter it when it ask. I hope this helps some.. Gus. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ok stupid question time - How do I do this.
It is ALL text she is a school teacher (1st grade) so you know what I am talking about ... On Dec 15, 7:34 pm, MIKO .. miko.supp...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:14 PM, jqusnr wrote: Ok I got it on the OS X machine and it seems to work great. Thanks. If i was to scan it could I get it to work within Microsoft works? Well if you were to scan it- if it's THAT kind of certificate- you could do a lot with it if you scanned it! I'm assuming you mean you can print it, and then you could scan it. If you have questions about scanning, let me know. Know that you could scan just as a JPEG at 150-200 dpi resolution, or if the certificate is mostly text, you could extract the text using an OCR program if one came with your scanner. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why can't I update?
At 3:01 PM -0600 12/16/08, Kris Tilford posted: On Dec 16, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: One of the reasons given is it will not mount because of invalid checksum, whatever that is? This means the downloaded disk image file is corrupted. The checksum is a sum calculated in a specific way such that if any single bit has been changed the sum will be different. When this is invalid it means the sum is not identical to the sum of the original file. You'll need to download the entire file again. If you get this twice, your HD may be going bad. Or the phone line is experiencing static because of weather or vermin problems? Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
2008/12/15 Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com: At 9:58 PM -0600 12/15/08, Hunter Fuller posted: You can't rename a folder to . - it is definitely the root of the drive. Yes. You can rename a folder with the leading (.) There is even an app that makes it easy to (.) and un(.) for those who want to add invisibility to files and folders they prefer nosy folk not casually find. But you still can't rename something to . Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
2008/12/16 MIKO .. miko.supp...@gmail.com: On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Charles Davis wrote: You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. What confuses me is why this problem wasn't found clearly and obviously with Disk Utility using verify? No clue but I've never trusted that program. -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
You do seem to have two identical '.' directories at the root of the drive; no additional characters showed up. What confuses me is why this problem wasn't found clearly and obviously with Disk Utility using verify? OK , I opened up disk utility, clicked on verify permissions, holy smokers what a pile of 'should be' files. So I clicked 'repair permissions', took 10 minutes, Then I went back to Disk Inventory X, but see no differences, still have a lost 40 acres of hard drive hiding under a period. Next, for fun I tried Disk Inventory X on the backup (made by CCC) of said partition and - Lo Behold!, the mystery '.' folder is gone and it is now down to 9 gig from 14. So good 'ol CCC seemed to have come to the rescue. I still would like to get my hands on whatever is inside that 5 gigs ( the jpgs in particular - to be sure that I have backups of them) before I dump this monster. You folks are de besta Del --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:37 PM, D Stubbs wrote: OK , I opened up disk utility, clicked on verify permissions, holy smokers what a pile of 'should be' files. So I clicked 'repair permissions', took 10 minutes, Then I went back to Disk Inventory X, but see no differences, still have a lost 40 acres of hard drive hiding under a period. Next, for fun I tried Disk Inventory X on the backup (made by CCC) of said partition and - Lo Behold!, the mystery '.' folder is gone and it is now down to 9 gig from 14. So good 'ol CCC seemed to have come to the rescue. I still would like to get my hands on whatever is inside that 5 gigs ( the jpgs in particular - to be sure that I have backups of them) before I dump this monster. You folks are de besta Del Well you repaired permissions but did you verify your disk? I'm thinking about Catalog B Trees, cross-linking, volume bitmaps- these kids of issues. I would not try a repair without a full backup but merely looking at permissions won't do much. Everyone always also recommends DiskWarrior but that costs $99. I'm also beginning to think that you may have fond evidence that dark matter exists- maybe your drive has somehow tapped into gravitational space outside the future cone of light! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Seagate drive quality (announcement)
At 5:10 PM -0600 12/16/2008, James E. Therrault wrote: Ain't it time for the primitive mechanical drive to be replaced by a solid state equivalent? Reliability issues aside, yea right - over the dead bodies of the current drive manufacturers. OTOH, 25c per GB vs $5+ per GB... OTGH... Have you checked the spot price for memory chips recently? It's firmly *below* manufacturing cost. Many of the memory manufacturers are now on the verge of bankruptsy shutdown. They're asking their governments for billions in assistance. If that market collapses... This has mostly been reported in the tech sector. I expect it will hit the main stream media when MS asks Uncle to chip in a few hundred billion, so they don't loose their investment. MSFT, being a DOW stock, can't be allowed to tank out. Really tho... it's time for a slight paraduck shift. For decades, tape drives then terminals and other input devices emulated card reader / punches. Now we're going down that same road with hard drives. WHY are we screwing around emulating disk drives with memory? That's so last century! Just map the memory in-total: Use high speed cache for the first n MB. Then SDRAM for the next n GB. Then some non-volatile RAM (flash of one type or another) for the next n YB. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: After a Nuke Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...
On Dec 16, 2008, at 4:25 PM, insightinmind wrote (now talking to himself): On Dec 16, 2008, at 2:13 PM, insightinmind wrote: After exorcising Logitech's Scroll Enhancer, I'm getting the same pauses. Hijacked from another con-current thread: It's not uncommon for faulty USB or firewire devices, or malfuntioning programs to cause this issue. Does it start to shut down and cancel or does nothing happen when selecting Shutdown from the menu? I hope its not too early for me to be reporting success ... But, I completely removed my Logitech Wireless KB and Mouse from the machine ... removing the KB batteries and the Mouse Batteries (I mean completely removed it from the area) ... as well as did an LCC Uninstall ... along with an earlier opt-command-P-R ... and, after celebrating my Mom's 91st Birthday at her Nursing Home, with my maybe-ex and his girlfriend (?) ... My 10.5.6 seems to be working on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz with hardware setup mentioned earlier. 3 or so Restarts, 2 cold boots, and an X-bench that gave me 49 ... (to the tune of 12 Days of Xmas) Being after Thanksgiving, Hoping its not too soon ... (Is this what's called flaming?) Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Looking for source of Apple 15 LCD Studio Display hinge (Part #922-5633)
I'm trying to repair my 15 LCD Studio Display (the one with the single plastic leg in back that holds the thing upright). The metal hinge that holds that plastic leg to the main body of the monitor is the part that broke (it snapped in two). It is Apple part number 922-5633. I have searched high and low and nobody seems to have this part in stock any more. Does anyone know of a source for these that definitely has them in stock? Or do you have a spare one of these lying about that you'd be willing to sell to me? Your help greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Donald Burr of Borg db...@borgmail.net | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! Website: http://www.borg-cube.com/| http://www.freebsd.org/ \- Tel FAX: (805)346-2484 AIM: dburrofborg MSN: db...@borgmail.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What made the alert sound?
Stepped away from my mac, then I hear the submarine? In order to find out what made the noise, I launch Console then go to_ Can somebody please fill in the blank. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
UPDATE! What made the alert sound?
I found that stinker I installed coconutWIFI a few days ago and it plays a submarine alert sound when detecting a new unencrypted network that gets in range funny thing is I would only hear the alert when my laptop was sitting on my coffee table after getting off the couch!, so, when I'd hear the alert sound, I'd run to the laptop, put it on my lap.. and naturally I'd never hear the alert again do to the fact that the network that was being detected was too far out of range...(while on my lap) too funny. It almost drove my wife nuts!!... Stepped away from my mac, then I hear the submarine? In order to find out what made the noise, I launch Console then go to_ Can somebody please fill in the blank. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Looking for source of Apple 15 LCD Studio Display hinge (Part #922-5633)
On Dec 16, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Donald Burr wrote: I'm trying to repair my 15 LCD Studio Display (the one with the single plastic leg in back that holds the thing upright). The metal hinge that holds that plastic leg to the main body of the monitor is the part that broke (it snapped in two). It is Apple part number 922-5633. I have searched high and low and nobody seems to have this part in stock any more. Does anyone know of a source for these that definitely has them in stock? Or do you have a spare one of these lying about that you'd be willing to sell to me? Your help greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Donald Burr If you haven't done a google: These two show in stock @ $36 + : http://macpalace.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=4446 http://pctechsystemsinc.com/scripts/prodList.asp? This one requires calling for price: idCategory=83http://www.bigestock.com/searchres.php?partno=9225633 Jim McGee (aka: mudbro) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: UPDATE! What made the alert sound?
On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I found that stinker I installed coconutWIFI a few days ago and it plays a submarine alert sound when detecting a new unencrypted network that gets in range funny thing is I would only hear the alert when my laptop was sitting on my coffee table after getting off the couch!, so, when I'd hear the alert sound, I'd run to the laptop, put it on my lap.. and naturally I'd never hear the alert again do to the fact that the network that was being detected was too far out of range...(while on my lap) too funny. It almost drove my wife nuts!!... That is HILARIOUS! And goes into the annals/canon of You had to be there --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
