Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Stephan Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've talked to Asterix today, he said he had talked to you, he > > proposed plugins system as most wanted and I agreed. So plug-in system > > will be the main project I'll propose in application for GSoC. As a > > second-chance project (if XSF for some reason would reject this one) I > > thought of 'message archiving' because (as stpeter said) XSF wants to > > make it more popular in 2008. What do you think about that? > > That's a reasonable decision and will be very valuable to Gajim and its > future. I really appreciate your decision. So now that decision is made it's time for hands-on job :] > > Do you have any ideas? I think these plug-ins would be a really nice > > (and easy to check) target to achieve during GSoC. > This google integration is a very good idea. By then PEP GeoIP should be > in place and you could use your plugin to fill it life. I couldn't think > of a GUI for it yet, you found it :-) Sounds pretty good although Asterix came out with sth that might be more appropriate as example plug-in (details below). > This could also show people how to modify the GUI: You might render a > small globe in the roster (next to the avatar) when a contact has > published his current position and activity. OK. Another place to include in GUI hooks of plug-in system. [Added to my notes] > What do you mean with a SMS plug-in? Do you want to interact with your > mobilephone or would it be some kind of sms transport? I rather thought of using external services - nothing to do with XMPP. Just show that you can use Gajim to connected external data with contacts in roster. For example it could be done by using urllib and sending data using form on some GSM provider site (in Poland one of three operators allow this, there are also APIs for paid SMS gateways). > Another possible plugin I can think of is integration with the evolution > address book. Afair the conduit guys are working on python bindings for > some time now. Yeap. I thought of it too. But I suppose we will postpone this one for after-GSoC times. > Of course there is much more work to be done. We have many existing > features that should be outsourced as plugins. > (e.g. AWN toolbar integration and maybe some less frequently used > features like the latex formula rendering). > But imho this porting should be our task, not yours. :-) Probably you're right. I think currently we should focus on implementing a good plug-in system and then many new doors will open. Porting some parts of Gajim to plug-ins would be a pretty good testing phase for plug-ins system itself. I mean whether system is generalized enough. Plug-in that Asterix came up with: Advanced Notification Control - it is currently partly implemented in svn, though not visible. But probably you're more aware of this than I am :) For all people that read this mailing list but don't know what ANC is. In short: you're able to assign customized notifications (sounds, pop-up windows, etc.) with events that happen in Gajim - some becomes Online/Offline, someone writes something, someone changes status message, etc. This plug-in would show how to invoke notifications in plug-in as well as connect into data stream and events in Gajim. Maybe some GUI hooks would also be used. What do you think about it? I agreed with Asterix that this would be a pretty good example for future plug-in developers. The second example plug-in we thought of is an 'acronym expansions' plug-in. This would be of course much simplier than ANC. In short: you write a msg with acronym 'IMO' and hit enter. Before sending message Gajim would automatically expand acronym to 'in my opinion'. Of course these acronym would be customizable. People would be able to add for example 'MYBAN' which would exand to hardcoded bank account number. So what do you think about his one? :> -- Regards -- Mateusz Biliński ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 16:33 +0100, Mateusz Biliński wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Stephan Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > snip > > > > In my opinion those are more valuable to Gajim than the whiteboard you > > mentioned. Of course whiteboarding is a cool feature but let me explain > > why I would prefer the plug-in system for now. > > I fully agree. > > snip > > I've talked to Asterix today, he said he had talked to you, he > proposed plugins system as most wanted and I agreed. So plug-in system > will be the main project I'll propose in application for GSoC. As a > second-chance project (if XSF for some reason would reject this one) I > thought of 'message archiving' because (as stpeter said) XSF wants to > make it more popular in 2008. What do you think about that? That's a reasonable decision and will be very valuable to Gajim and its future. I really appreciate your decision. > > Of course you can start with a whiteboarding plugin if you have the time > > and the passion :-) > > Maybe there has been some progress on the XSF front by then. > > I'd like to implement it in Gajim for sure some day, but first things > first. I think Gajim should benefit from GSoC2008 and plug-ins system > seems to be the right way. :-) > > Great to have this discussion here. I see lots of possible great new > > features, but still have to keep an eye on the maintainability of Gajim. > > Yeap. The faster Gajim gets plug-in system the better. :) > > We agreed with Asterix that at the end of GSoC2008 apart from plug-in > system itself there should be two (or maybe one) simple (example) > plug-ins to demonstrate the way how to create own. > > Asterix have one in mind but he had to leave so we'll probably talk in > the evening. > > I thought of Gajim integration with Google maps (where people in > roster currently are) or Google calendar (add events from texts in > conversation, get notification of upcoming events - although I don't > know whether there isn't some kind of a bot made by Google) or maybe a > simple SMS plug-in. > > Do you have any ideas? I think these plug-ins would be a really nice > (and easy to check) target to achieve during GSoC. This google integration is a very good idea. By then PEP GeoIP should be in place and you could use your plugin to fill it life. I couldn't think of a GUI for it yet, you found it :-) This could also show people how to modify the GUI: You might render a small globe in the roster (next to the avatar) when a contact has published his current position and activity. What do you mean with a SMS plug-in? Do you want to interact with your mobilephone or would it be some kind of sms transport? Another possible plugin I can think of is integration with the evolution address book. Afair the conduit guys are working on python bindings for some time now. Of course there is much more work to be done. We have many existing features that should be outsourced as plugins. (e.g. AWN toolbar integration and maybe some less frequently used features like the latex formula rendering). But imho this porting should be our task, not yours. :-) Talk to you soon. Best Regards. Stephan Erb signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Stephan Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am happy to see that you are interested in hacking on Gajim during > GSoC, Mateusz. > > A few days ago Asterix asked whether I have any ideas for possible GSoC > projects. After a short discussion we came up with the following list: > > 1) Plugin system > 2) testframework > 3) BOSH > > In my opinion those are more valuable to Gajim than the whiteboard you > mentioned. Of course whiteboarding is a cool feature but let me explain > why I would prefer the plug-in system for now. I fully agree. > Working on architecture is a priority after 0.12. We have to kill some > complexity but also make it flexible enough to allow plugins. > That you already have experiences with plug-in system is great, as we > don't. > > I believe it will be much easier to add new features once the > architecture is reworked. Furthermore testing could be simplified > because me might be able to test different parts independently of each > other. I've talked to Asterix today, he said he had talked to you, he proposed plugins system as most wanted and I agreed. So plug-in system will be the main project I'll propose in application for GSoC. As a second-chance project (if XSF for some reason would reject this one) I thought of 'message archiving' because (as stpeter said) XSF wants to make it more popular in 2008. What do you think about that? > Of course you can start with a whiteboarding plugin if you have the time > and the passion :-) > Maybe there has been some progress on the XSF front by then. I'd like to implement it in Gajim for sure some day, but first things first. I think Gajim should benefit from GSoC2008 and plug-ins system seems to be the right way. > Great to have this discussion here. I see lots of possible great new > features, but still have to keep an eye on the maintainability of Gajim. Yeap. The faster Gajim gets plug-in system the better. :) We agreed with Asterix that at the end of GSoC2008 apart from plug-in system itself there should be two (or maybe one) simple (example) plug-ins to demonstrate the way how to create own. Asterix have one in mind but he had to leave so we'll probably talk in the evening. I thought of Gajim integration with Google maps (where people in roster currently are) or Google calendar (add events from texts in conversation, get notification of upcoming events - although I don't know whether there isn't some kind of a bot made by Google) or maybe a simple SMS plug-in. Do you have any ideas? I think these plug-ins would be a really nice (and easy to check) target to achieve during GSoC. -- Regards -- Mateusz Biliński ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
Hi, I am happy to see that you are interested in hacking on Gajim during GSoC, Mateusz. A few days ago Asterix asked whether I have any ideas for possible GSoC projects. After a short discussion we came up with the following list: 1) Plugin system 2) testframework 3) BOSH In my opinion those are more valuable to Gajim than the whiteboard you mentioned. Of course whiteboarding is a cool feature but let me explain why I would prefer the plug-in system for now. Working on architecture is a priority after 0.12. We have to kill some complexity but also make it flexible enough to allow plugins. That you already have experiences with plug-in system is great, as we don't. I believe it will be much easier to add new features once the architecture is reworked. Furthermore testing could be simplified because me might be able to test different parts independently of each other. Of course you can start with a whiteboarding plugin if you have the time and the passion :-) Maybe there has been some progress on the XSF front by then. Great to have this discussion here. I see lots of possible great new features, but still have to keep an eye on the maintainability of Gajim. Best Regards, Stephan Erb signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
Yann Leboulanger wrote: > Here I am, back from some days without the internet :) > > Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Will Gajim apply on its own or will Gajim-related projects be mentored under the umbrella of the XMPP Standards Foundation again this year? (Assuming the XSF is accepted... :) > > Don't we need a real assiciation structure to apply as an organisation? > So indeed this year I was thinking about being in XMPP's umbrella. Do > you think Gajim should apply on its own Peter? Maybe for next year? No, we'll continue to use the XSF for this, I think. The XSF has the organizational infrastructure to handle this, plus this way I'm the only one who has to deal wtih all the stupid admin stuff. :) >> I think it would be great to have an implementation of SXE whiteboarding >> in Psi and an implementation in Gajim! > > +1, if all clients implement the same protocol, that would be much better ! > >> Unfortunately, we have competing proposals for whiteboarding over XMPP. >> The XMPP Council needs to decide how to proceed. The "least-worst" >> solution may be for the XSF to publish both as informational specs and >> "let the market decide" about the best approach. If both Psi and Gajim >> support the SXE approach (I think they are the two most popular >> Jabber-only clients) then that would be part of the market >> decision-making process. ;-) > > At the begining I thought Mateusz could help you to write the XEP, but > in fact it seems it is already written. XSF needs to take a decision, > and in that, he can't help. Correct. :| > * test framework: some sort of automated tests to test features in > Gajim to avoid regressions Important, but kind of boring. But maybe you get excited about it. :) I think it's important to work on something that excites you, not just something that would be good for the community. Yes it's hard to balance those things sometimes... >>> I thought of including automatic GUI testing stuff in it so it would >>> be more fun. But yes - writing tests might be boring :] > > Indeed, automatic GUI testingwould be nice too: we can't test all > features of gajim everyday. > > * plugin system Plugins are always cool. :) >>> I'll probably write sth longer later, but in short this would include >>> help with reorganizing how events work (there's a ticket for this >>> already), and creating some hooks in gui (main menu, roster, chat >>> window, context menu). IBM's Sametime has a pretty good documentation >>> on it as they have generalized Sametime in version 7.5 and build a >>> pretty nice framework. I've developed plugin for it during my >>> internship at IBM so I have some experience in plugins system in >>> (commercial) IM client. > > That's something we plan in a near futur (after 0.12 release) to be able > ton configure the way events are handled more smartly (buddy pounces) > > * BOSH thing IMHO BOSH will become more widespread (we hope to launch it soon at jabber.org once we install ejabberd 2.0.0 on a new machine) so support for it in Gajim would be great. >>> You mean XMPP over BOSH? >> Yes. But perhaps Gajim already includes support for this somewhere in SVN? > > No we don't have anything about that yet. > Other projects I think are interesting (I am not sure if Gajim already supports these, my apologies if it does -- I'm a Psi user but would be happy to test Gajim on the Mac once that port is stable): - support for link-local messaging (XEP-0174) > > We already have that. True, I remember seeing Gajim users on link-local networks at the devcon. :) > >>> - support for PEP (XEP-0163) > > We have that in SVN. Next release will have that. Cool. It should be deployed at jabber.org soon with ejabberd 2.0. - support for message archiving (XEP-0136) -- this may be one of the community's priorities for 2008 >>> And it might be a really great project to implement for GSoC. I'm >>> personally interested in making this work in Gajim ASAP as I use >>> multiple OSes. > > We don't have that, and that would be a cool project too. Kevin Smith said that Psi will be working on that before long. >> BTW, all reports are that Asterix is a great mentor so I hope you can >> find a project that will be accepted! > > Thank's Peter :) :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
Here I am, back from some days without the internet :) Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> Will Gajim apply on its own or will Gajim-related projects be mentored >>> under the umbrella of the XMPP Standards Foundation again this year? >>> (Assuming the XSF is accepted... :) Don't we need a real assiciation structure to apply as an organisation? So indeed this year I was thinking about being in XMPP's umbrella. Do you think Gajim should apply on its own Peter? Maybe for next year? > I think it would be great to have an implementation of SXE whiteboarding > in Psi and an implementation in Gajim! +1, if all clients implement the same protocol, that would be much better ! > Unfortunately, we have competing proposals for whiteboarding over XMPP. > The XMPP Council needs to decide how to proceed. The "least-worst" > solution may be for the XSF to publish both as informational specs and > "let the market decide" about the best approach. If both Psi and Gajim > support the SXE approach (I think they are the two most popular > Jabber-only clients) then that would be part of the market > decision-making process. ;-) At the begining I thought Mateusz could help you to write the XEP, but in fact it seems it is already written. XSF needs to take a decision, and in that, he can't help. > >>> > * test framework: some sort of automated tests to test features in >>> > Gajim to avoid regressions >>> >>> Important, but kind of boring. But maybe you get excited about it. :) I >>> think it's important to work on something that excites you, not just >>> something that would be good for the community. Yes it's hard to balance >>> those things sometimes... >> I thought of including automatic GUI testing stuff in it so it would >> be more fun. But yes - writing tests might be boring :] Indeed, automatic GUI testingwould be nice too: we can't test all features of gajim everyday. >> >>> > * plugin system >>> >>> Plugins are always cool. :) >> I'll probably write sth longer later, but in short this would include >> help with reorganizing how events work (there's a ticket for this >> already), and creating some hooks in gui (main menu, roster, chat >> window, context menu). IBM's Sametime has a pretty good documentation >> on it as they have generalized Sametime in version 7.5 and build a >> pretty nice framework. I've developed plugin for it during my >> internship at IBM so I have some experience in plugins system in >> (commercial) IM client. That's something we plan in a near futur (after 0.12 release) to be able ton configure the way events are handled more smartly (buddy pounces) >>> > * BOSH thing >>> >>> IMHO BOSH will become more widespread (we hope to launch it soon at >>> jabber.org once we install ejabberd 2.0.0 on a new machine) so support >>> for it in Gajim would be great. >> You mean XMPP over BOSH? > > Yes. But perhaps Gajim already includes support for this somewhere in SVN? No we don't have anything about that yet. > >>> Other projects I think are interesting (I am not sure if Gajim already >>> supports these, my apologies if it does -- I'm a Psi user but would be >>> happy to test Gajim on the Mac once that port is stable): >>> - support for link-local messaging (XEP-0174) We already have that. >>> - support for PEP (XEP-0163) We have that in SVN. Next release will have that. >>> - support for message archiving (XEP-0136) -- this may be one of the >>> community's priorities for 2008 >> And it might be a really great project to implement for GSoC. I'm >> personally interested in making this work in Gajim ASAP as I use >> multiple OSes. We don't have that, and that would be a cool project too. > BTW, all reports are that Asterix is a great mentor so I hope you can > find a project that will be accepted! Thank's Peter :) -- Yann ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
2008/3/5 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think it would be great to have an implementation of SXE whiteboarding > in Psi and an implementation in Gajim! > > Unfortunately, we have competing proposals for whiteboarding over XMPP. > The XMPP Council needs to decide how to proceed. The "least-worst" > solution may be for the XSF to publish both as informational specs and > "let the market decide" about the best approach. If both Psi and Gajim > support the SXE approach (I think they are the two most popular > Jabber-only clients) then that would be part of the market > decision-making process. ;-) Yes, indeed this would be a market decision. The biggest advantage of this of would be that most of 'pure-jabber' user could whiteboard with each other. Nice perspective :) > And of course SXE whiteboarding could be written as a plugin. ;-) But > you'll need to chat with Asterix to see if he thinks this is a good project. This is Asterix's proposal from Gajim's MUC channel, so probably he thinks this one is crucial for Gajim's development. > > You mean XMPP over BOSH? > Yes. But perhaps Gajim already includes support for this somewhere in SVN? BOSH in Gajim is also Asterix's suggestion, so I don't suppose there has been made any significant implementation stuff in this area. > > And it might be a really great project to implement for GSoC. I'm > > personally interested in making this work in Gajim ASAP as I use > > multiple OSes. > > This also may be in Gajim SVN. I don't know what's in Gajim and what > isn't, so chat with Asterix about it. :) I found a ticket related to Message Archiving in Gajim's Trac: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/3593 So this is probably open for implementation too. > BTW, all reports are that Asterix is a great mentor so I hope you can > find a project that will be accepted! Great to hear that :) I also hope that we'll be able to find valuable project for Gajim's community that wil be accepted (and also will be FUN :]). Thanks for your comments. -- Regards -- Mateusz Biliński ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
Mateusz Biliński wrote: > 2008/3/4 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Mateusz Biliński wrote: >> > Hi. >> > I followed Asterix's advice regarding implementing whiteboard in Gajim >> > and GSoC2008 and started a discussion at XMPP Standards list: >> > http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2008-March/018084.html >> >> Thanks for the taking the initiative. :) > > My pleasure :) > >> Will Gajim apply on its own or will Gajim-related projects be mentored >> under the umbrella of the XMPP Standards Foundation again this year? >> (Assuming the XSF is accepted... :) > > I don't want to speak on behalf of Asterix but he suggested on MUC > that Gajim will use XSF umbrella this year: > #v+ > [15:13] hi all, is Gajim going to apply for mentoring projects > @GoogleSoC2008? > [15:18] vArDo: YES > [15:18] vArDo: through XSF > [15:19] as last 2 past years > #v- Yes, I need to complete the application today or tomorrow. :) >> [cut!] >> Whiteboarding is a fun feature but given the fact that we (= the XMPP >> developer community) haven't been able to agree on a solution or even if >> this is a problem that the community needs or wants to solve in general, >> it seems like possibly a risky project to purse for the Summer of Code. >> However I am open to changing my mind about that. > > It is what I'm afraid of since I've read all the discussions at > standards list. This my be probably not the best time for implementing > whiteboarding (in context of standardization), on the other hand it > would be great to have whiteboard in Gajim which could interoperate > with i.e. Joonas's implementation in Psi (and after GSoC work in > parallel on whiteboarding in two independent clients). Decision will > be probably made by XMPP developers community so I've just wanted to > know whether there any chances for it on GSoC2008. It seems that these > are not very big currently :) > > It would be great if you could ask other people at XSF how they see > this. Is there any sense for applying with this project or will it > meet strong rejection. I think it would be great to have an implementation of SXE whiteboarding in Psi and an implementation in Gajim! Unfortunately, we have competing proposals for whiteboarding over XMPP. The XMPP Council needs to decide how to proceed. The "least-worst" solution may be for the XSF to publish both as informational specs and "let the market decide" about the best approach. If both Psi and Gajim support the SXE approach (I think they are the two most popular Jabber-only clients) then that would be part of the market decision-making process. ;-) >> > * test framework: some sort of automated tests to test features in >> > Gajim to avoid regressions >> >> Important, but kind of boring. But maybe you get excited about it. :) I >> think it's important to work on something that excites you, not just >> something that would be good for the community. Yes it's hard to balance >> those things sometimes... > > I thought of including automatic GUI testing stuff in it so it would > be more fun. But yes - writing tests might be boring :] > >> > * plugin system >> >> Plugins are always cool. :) > > I'll probably write sth longer later, but in short this would include > help with reorganizing how events work (there's a ticket for this > already), and creating some hooks in gui (main menu, roster, chat > window, context menu). IBM's Sametime has a pretty good documentation > on it as they have generalized Sametime in version 7.5 and build a > pretty nice framework. I've developed plugin for it during my > internship at IBM so I have some experience in plugins system in > (commercial) IM client. > > This would be really great to have because I remember that was really > disappointed by Psi approach. I've been waiting for plugins system > there for a long time and AFAIK Psi still has some Qt4 issues and > plugins system is further down the road. Gajim is written in Python so > it's easier to extend it but it's hard to organize these extensions so > plugins system would be awesome IMHO :) And of course SXE whiteboarding could be written as a plugin. ;-) But you'll need to chat with Asterix to see if he thinks this is a good project. >> > * BOSH thing >> >> IMHO BOSH will become more widespread (we hope to launch it soon at >> jabber.org once we install ejabberd 2.0.0 on a new machine) so support >> for it in Gajim would be great. > > You mean XMPP over BOSH? Yes. But perhaps Gajim already includes support for this somewhere in SVN? >> Other projects I think are interesting (I am not sure if Gajim already >> supports these, my apologies if it does -- I'm a Psi user but would be >> happy to test Gajim on the Mac once that port is stable): >> [cut!] >> - support for message archiving (XEP-0136) -- this may be one of the >> community's priorities for 2008 > > And it might be a really great project to implement for GSoC. I'm > personally interested in making this w
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
2008/3/4 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mateusz Biliński wrote: > > Hi. > > I followed Asterix's advice regarding implementing whiteboard in Gajim > > and GSoC2008 and started a discussion at XMPP Standards list: > > http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2008-March/018084.html > > Thanks for the taking the initiative. :) My pleasure :) > Will Gajim apply on its own or will Gajim-related projects be mentored > under the umbrella of the XMPP Standards Foundation again this year? > (Assuming the XSF is accepted... :) I don't want to speak on behalf of Asterix but he suggested on MUC that Gajim will use XSF umbrella this year: #v+ [15:13] hi all, is Gajim going to apply for mentoring projects @GoogleSoC2008? [15:18] vArDo: YES [15:18] vArDo: through XSF [15:19] as last 2 past years #v- > [cut!] > Whiteboarding is a fun feature but given the fact that we (= the XMPP > developer community) haven't been able to agree on a solution or even if > this is a problem that the community needs or wants to solve in general, > it seems like possibly a risky project to purse for the Summer of Code. > However I am open to changing my mind about that. It is what I'm afraid of since I've read all the discussions at standards list. This my be probably not the best time for implementing whiteboarding (in context of standardization), on the other hand it would be great to have whiteboard in Gajim which could interoperate with i.e. Joonas's implementation in Psi (and after GSoC work in parallel on whiteboarding in two independent clients). Decision will be probably made by XMPP developers community so I've just wanted to know whether there any chances for it on GSoC2008. It seems that these are not very big currently :) It would be great if you could ask other people at XSF how they see this. Is there any sense for applying with this project or will it meet strong rejection. > > * test framework: some sort of automated tests to test features in > > Gajim to avoid regressions > > Important, but kind of boring. But maybe you get excited about it. :) I > think it's important to work on something that excites you, not just > something that would be good for the community. Yes it's hard to balance > those things sometimes... I thought of including automatic GUI testing stuff in it so it would be more fun. But yes - writing tests might be boring :] > > * plugin system > > Plugins are always cool. :) I'll probably write sth longer later, but in short this would include help with reorganizing how events work (there's a ticket for this already), and creating some hooks in gui (main menu, roster, chat window, context menu). IBM's Sametime has a pretty good documentation on it as they have generalized Sametime in version 7.5 and build a pretty nice framework. I've developed plugin for it during my internship at IBM so I have some experience in plugins system in (commercial) IM client. This would be really great to have because I remember that was really disappointed by Psi approach. I've been waiting for plugins system there for a long time and AFAIK Psi still has some Qt4 issues and plugins system is further down the road. Gajim is written in Python so it's easier to extend it but it's hard to organize these extensions so plugins system would be awesome IMHO :) > > * BOSH thing > > IMHO BOSH will become more widespread (we hope to launch it soon at > jabber.org once we install ejabberd 2.0.0 on a new machine) so support > for it in Gajim would be great. You mean XMPP over BOSH? > Other projects I think are interesting (I am not sure if Gajim already > supports these, my apologies if it does -- I'm a Psi user but would be > happy to test Gajim on the Mac once that port is stable): > [cut!] > - support for message archiving (XEP-0136) -- this may be one of the > community's priorities for 2008 And it might be a really great project to implement for GSoC. I'm personally interested in making this work in Gajim ASAP as I use multiple OSes. -- Regards -- Mateusz Biliński ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] Whiteboard and GSoC2008
Mateusz Biliński wrote: > Hi. > I followed Asterix's advice regarding implementing whiteboard in Gajim > and GSoC2008 and started a discussion at XMPP Standards list: > http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2008-March/018084.html Thanks for the taking the initiative. :) Will Gajim apply on its own or will Gajim-related projects be mentored under the umbrella of the XMPP Standards Foundation again this year? (Assuming the XSF is accepted... :) > As I summarized in my post (which was later developed by others): > there are many implementations out there but they are not > interoperable. The closest to current XSF movements in standarization > of XML shared editing is Psi whiteboard by Joonas Govenius. AFAIK it > implements most of the specification in this doc: > http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sxe.html Whiteboarding is a fun feature but given the fact that we (= the XMPP developer community) haven't been able to agree on a solution or even if this is a problem that the community needs or wants to solve in general, it seems like possibly a risky project to purse for the Summer of Code. However I am open to changing my mind about that. > So the question now is whether to apply for GSoC2008 with this > project. I think this would be really valuable for Gajim community but > I did not get any direct answers neither regarding 'the best way' of > implementing whiteboard nor chances of this project to be accepted for > GSoC2008. > > Asterix said mentioned 3 other proposals on MUC > (http://www.gajim.org/room_logs/2008/2/28.html): > * test framework: some sort of automated tests to test features in > Gajim to avoid regressions Important, but kind of boring. But maybe you get excited about it. :) I think it's important to work on something that excites you, not just something that would be good for the community. Yes it's hard to balance those things sometimes... > * plugin system Plugins are always cool. :) > * BOSH thing IMHO BOSH will become more widespread (we hope to launch it soon at jabber.org once we install ejabberd 2.0.0 on a new machine) so support for it in Gajim would be great. Other projects I think are interesting (I am not sure if Gajim already supports these, my apologies if it does -- I'm a Psi user but would be happy to test Gajim on the Mac once that port is stable): - support for link-local messaging (XEP-0174) - support for PEP (XEP-0163) -- also to be launched at jabber.org soon and it enables lots of fun features like integration with blogs and music players and so on - support for message archiving (XEP-0136) -- this may be one of the community's priorities for 2008 I'm sure other people have more ideas. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
