you may need ms windows media runtime components.
wmaudioredist.exe ms should have them.
blindsoftware.com should have them you should wonload that its a coman file.
At 02:59 PM 4/20/2013, you wrote:
Hello.
When I go to run Classic Pipe I get the following message.
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P
Hello Sarah, and all. As of right now the files are back up there and
the links seem to all be working. I don't have a utility which checks
all the links to make sure, but nothing much has changed. I did some
minor tweaks to the wording of the page and that seems to be ok. I also
added the Stor
Here is the tune I'm talking about (thank you very much total
recorder!) and no I am not being paid big bucks by high criteria to
plug their software
Now there's a thought!
http://users.on.net/whocrazy/round5.wav
At 03:12 PM 4/20/2013, you wrote:
I think it's a midi sequence
At 03:06 PM 4/
Hi Raul,
wow, thanks for that! Yes, I'm quite interested in your recordings and would
like if you keep that updated. *smiles*
Thanks again for uploading so quickly.
Best regards
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To my knowledge, there are no soundpacks for it, for mush client at least.
Keith
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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Cyber assault query
The mud is at
Cyberassault.org
Port 1
And this is from the client related helpfile in game:
VIP-SUPPORT VIP_SUPPORT BLINDPLAYERS
Provided By: Virjal
This is an announcement to let you all know that MTScripts built on Monkey
Term has support for this mud.
Monkey Term supports windows opperatin
I think it's a midi sequence
At 03:06 PM 4/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi.
Trupanum Classic is an interesting little game for sure, it was last
updated in 2008 with all new music, so which piece of music are you
referring to, is it a midi sequence or is it a properly recorded
sound? I think I know
Hi.
Trupanum Classic is an interesting little game for sure, it was last updated
in 2008 with all new music, so which piece of music are you referring to, is
it a midi sequence or is it a properly recorded sound? I think I know the
piece of music you're referring to but I'm going to play thro
Hi. Where can I get this mud? and is there a sound pack for it? What is a
good mud client to use with n v d a? Thanks.
Jess
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Cyber assault query
I'm not sure I
Hello Dark, Sarah, Charles, and anyone else interested. First off, if
anyone has my recordings, please feel free to share whenever and with
whomever you wish. That being said, I'm uploading the files to my server
space now. I thought I had, but obviously I don't pay that much
attention to my si
Oh wow.
Can someone please tell me Who did that rousing 8 second number just
after you finish the bonus round? Where did it come from?
It's. . . . Well.. It's amazing, I'm lost for words.
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Hey Charles.
I would love to see the sod walk throughs.
I think I might down load the demo to give it a try once again.
Thanks.
Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
"that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week."
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Sent: Frid
Unfortunately, in legal battles, those who have the bucks win the battles,
whether they are right or not. But I would think that if you could show how
you tried to contact them and never got any responses from them, they must
not be interested. If they're not interested, then they shouldn't bo
Hi Charles,
Sigh...Sorry, but that is not a sound legal defense in my opinion.
Granted I am no lawyer, and my understanding of copyright law, is
based on what I have read. However, the fact that said content is
inaccessible to a blind person doesn't give someone legal rights to
just use it without
Hello.
When I go to run Classic Pipe I get the following message.
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Pipe 1.0
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Component 'msoecmd32.dll' or one of its dependencies not correctly
registered: a file is missing or invalid
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OK
Can someone please help?
I think I have the 17 Lone Wolf missions, the 9 or 10 floors of Shades Of
Doom, and the 6 sectors of GMA Tank Commander. Maybe a few others, too, but
don't recall at the moment.
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I certainly don't text that way. The fact that writing numbers in
place of actual words is considered normal is really quite sad to me.
On 4/19/13, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> He writes emails like he's writing text messages. So, he uses 2 instead
> of to or too and b instead of be. I'm certainly n
Right right.
I agree that accessible games need a place, and that place should be
... of course, web based. I argue, though, that Audyssey's function is
to do that. Audiogames.net filled a niche that Audyssey didn't
because, and no offense Audyssey guys, Audyssey sort of dropped the
ball, Lost ste
Are you also going to upload a Grue that we must beware of?
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have R
I would probably be wrong, but if they want to take someone who produces an
audio game dealing with their material, could this be a defense: There is
no game that blind people can play based on this material from anyone, you
in particular. You have been contacted several times on this matter,
That would probably be better because, I only had nine files.
Curt Taubert
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On 4/19/2013 9:17 PM, Sarah Haake wrote:
Hi Charles,
that would be great, thanks! It seems Ken does not have all, so yours
would definitively help.
Best regards
Sarah
I feel bad.
I was working with Aprone at one point, trying to figure a way to get
the Wii Remote to work with Swamp, but I sort of dropped the ball.
Signed:
Dakotah Rickard
On 4/19/13, James Bartlett wrote:
> Hello there
>
> Yes joy does mouse movements. Atleast on some pads. Well atleast
Hi Charles,
that would be great, thanks! It seems Ken does not have all, so yours would
definitively help.
Best regards
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Glad I could help.
I hated tap to click in Swamp. I mean, in other programs, it's pretty
useful, but it screws up Swamp big time.
Signed:
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On 4/19/13, john wrote:
> Thanks for catching the tap to click. That was my major issue
> with the game, and in hindsight I really should hav
I have them. If nobody else does, and it Raul does not mind, I will send a
dropbox link either later this evening or some time tomorrow.
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Yes i know about that and will purchase, but brian's right i want a true
game.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was
Kidding, huh? What a terrible thing 2 B doing on a list 4 blind gamers!
Aren't U ashamed of yourself 4 B ing so ornery? No? That's what eye
thought. Me, either. Check my spelling, or, rather, typing 2 get the
orneriness.
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hmm, wonder why? I'll try again tomorrow.
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On 4/19/2013 8:37 PM, Sarah Haake wrote:
Hi,
I get a 404 not found on that link.
Best regards
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Hi Ken,
Heywire is a pretty good idea. I just tried it out a bit. I have to get used
to this concept first, but I think it can be quite a bit of fun when I get
into it a bit more.
And no, as far as I can remember you didn't post this game to the list yet,
thanks you did now. *smiles*
Best
What is this you are giving?
Thanks!
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Hi,
I get a 404 not found on that link.
Best regards
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If I haven't told you, i have a game on my site at www.ThePionEar.net called
Heywire. Basically, four speakers drift around and you have to put them where
they need to go to get the songs they play to sound right. I won't go in depth
here because the game had a manual and i'm not sure I haven't
I happened to find a few on my vista computer.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44174816/tutorial%202.zip
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just putting in something i forgot.
a lot of games in mainstream you pay for have free or payed for
downloadable content.
in some cases the game iteself is free but extra stuff would be payed for.
At 06:58 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
Well, that idea might work for some games, but not
true my idea was to have a game which would cost a small ammount, the
next section would cost the same.
each section say an adventure would end on a cliff hanger of sorts or
something, so you would buy it in bits.
my thought was that every piece you had would load the next so once
you have finni
I believe, but cannot confirm, that there was something on
audiogames.net talking about various sound file decrypting. A
common method seemed to be an archive file type, something used
on a gaming platform? A lot of the above is pretty vague, but I'm
pretty sure the info is out there somewhere.
what about writing lotr and hobbit as tactical battle maps?
true its not a full game but its less fiddling round.
At 05:12 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi Phil,
Right. Yeah, I forgot about that. Of course, I think an audio game
developer could do essentially the same thing as the Dungeons and
Drago
what would be needed to donate the entire lot to audyssey.
again I stress, I was going to put things up on
my dropbox to share I need to share for backup reasons to myself anyway.
after blindsoftware closes I intend to upload the
games and share them with everyone.
on the other hand if this is a
Hi Dark,
Lol! There is the rub. I am so far behindit seems I will never catch
up. I was pretty sick a lot last year so didn't do much programming on
anything for close to 10 months so if I did a LOTR game it would just
end up on the pile of evrything else to do. That's not to say I'm not
intereste
well if you are meaning the community project, I am willing to allow
full access to the community after blindsoftware closes.
I have payed the 75 bucks us for the games.
now if justin wants to charge a bit for the source, there is that
much less for the community to fork.
I am perfectly happy t
Hi Charles,
Yes, I think starting with a simple roll playing game based in a
fantasy story or world you are familiar with would be the way to go.
As Dark pointed out usually all the rules, stats, and whatever is
handled by the game master anyway and isn't usually up to the player
to begin with. In
there is a lord of the rings well in a shorter version.
its one of the eamon deluxe adventures.
At 11:54 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
wEll i won't hold myu breath, but it's worth dreaming and who knows
someday one of our good developers might just do a lord of the rings
or hobbit game. Hint HInt t
well as it stands my funding issues are not as
bad as I thought they would be, sertainly cheaper than expected.
Never the less I have just used my software
upgrade budget for this year and then some.
At 11:10 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
I think it was a case of poor wording in the
Email. If he'd
not necessarily, they will apear publically at
some point, it just would be nice of justin
officially did the permition thing but they will
appear reguardless of what happens.
and if you know what to do there are ways even now.
At 11:07 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
And that would give new audio g
yeah, I know, I had the cash.
It was steep as but I decided to get it.
maybe after bsc closes who knows.
At 11:01 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
True. The way it was worded was basically tat it sounded like you
basically have to bu all our other existing stuff in order to keep
our titles alive. That'
Hi Sarah.
i will certainly upload them if I can.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi Dark,
ok, sounds like you have
Hi Tom.
well that sounds a fair arrangement to me, though I'd worry that I was
getting all the fun :D.
Seriously I would very much like to help with that sort of thing since
writing descriptively is one thing I can! do.
the only thing that worries me in terms of you making a lotr game, is t
Hi Tom.
well donations would be fine with me, and I can understand you not taking
the risk though I am reasonably certain they wouldn't take it through the
legal system anyway simply because of how ridiculous it'd look, and
which "thousands of dollars" couldd they claime for from an audio
Hi Dark,
ok, sounds like you have most of them. It would be great if you could upload
them if noone else has them by thursday then, thanks for that!
You are right, it would be good if these files could be hosted somewhere. I
like all his recordings too, and of course I'd like to hear new ones
Hi Dark,
Exactly my point. In a text adventure/RPG system there is more than
one route a person could take. They could travel north through the
Gray Mountains, they could travel straight through Mirkwood, or to the
south through Guldor. Either way would offer different adventures and
different sid
Hi.
I have his faull walkthrus for superliam, Shades, gma tank commander, pipe2,
hunter and the 17 original lone wolf missions. I'm at my parents right now,
while the walkthrus are on my laptop back in my flat where I will be on
thursday, but if nobody has found them by then I can always bang
Hi Dark,
Now, that is probably doable. Taking donations for sounds, music, etc
but releasing he game as free fan fiction would probably not raise a
stink with anyone over copyrights. I might be able to get away with
selling a Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, or Star Trek game, but I don't
know if I w
Let me check on my desktop. I think I still have several of them their.
Curt Taubert
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On 4/19/2013 6:19 PM, Sarah Haake wrote:
Hi,
yeah, I have this review too, because it comes with the game. I'm
looking for the others, there was a whole bunch o
Hi,
yeah, I have this review too, because it comes with the game. I'm looking
for the others, there was a whole bunch of them on his website.
Best regards
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yeah, I have this review too, because it comes with the game. I'm looking
for the others, there was a whole bunch of them on his website.
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Thanks for catching the tap to click. That was my major issue
with the game, and in hindsight I really should have remembered
it, heh. My personal solution was to open the right-click menu
for my mouse's system tray icon, and there was an option for
tap-to-click. I'm not sure if this is universa
I'm not sure I understand your question fully, but I'll give it
a shot. At the moment, almost everything in the game is
accessable to all classes. This is going to change in the near
future, and has already begun to do so. As far as commands go,
the help system ingame can be quite useful if yo
The only one I have now is his Review of Blast chamber. I used to have a
few of them.
Curt Taubert
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On 4/19/2013 5:49 PM, Sarah Haake wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for Rauls game recordings. Since his website still seems
to be offline, I wanted to ask
Hi,
I'm looking for Rauls game recordings. Since his website still seems to be
offline, I wanted to ask if someone here on list maybe has his recordings
archived and can upload them on dropbox or sendspace or something? I
honestly thought I saved them myself, but I can't find them anywhere, so
And it confuses screen readers. I'd hate to see that in a text adventure
game LOL.
But thou must!
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From: Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] Numbers in emails Re: BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
He write
Hi Bryan.
i agree on sryth, the world and setting are great, for all I really don't!
like where the gm decided to take things after such a promising start with
all the adventurer tocan sinks, need to donate to the game etc. Still, the
world is beautifully worked out and when the gm bothers to
Hi Tom.
that is one reason I don't particularly like the D&D character system. it
worked for dungeons and dragons, but I always think it's interesting to see
it changed.
for example, in one varient of the roguelike Angband there is a really
interesting barbarian class. As a barbarian they ar
That's one thing I like about Sryth. The GM clearly put a lot of thought
into his world and the creatures and people who live in it.
But thou must!
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Chi
Sound creation alone for such a game might be tough since you'd have to
score areas from Hobbiton to Rivendell to Moria, Cirith Ungol, etc. As I
said the Super Nintendo game, which was based on Fellowship of the Ring, did
ann excellent job at least as far as the music went. In every other respec
Hi Tom.
You are right, coorporations these days just think they can push people
around and exact money, despite whether it is reasonable or not. For
instance, some cinemas have started disallowing people from taking their own
sweets and drinks in, despite the fact that the cinema charges about
He writes emails like he's writing text messages. So, he uses 2 instead
of to or too and b instead of be. I'm certainly no grammar cop or
anything, but that's just lazy 2 me. Just kidding. To me.
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On 4/18/2013 9:19 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote
Hi Dark,
Lol! Yeah, I think Tolkien would be pretty surprised at such Dungeons
and Dragons type characters, because they were designed for a special
game system and not really to tell a story the way the characters in
LOTR were. None of the wizards in LOTR are strengthless wimps, and
none of the w
HI Charlse.
It sounds as if you got a bad intro to rpgs really, especially if your D&D
gm didn't give you a full introduction. i'd recommend taking a look at some
of the gamebooks around the net on sites like fighting fantasy project or
project.aon, or maybe games like sryth, plus if you have
Hi tom.
well I don't mind generic fantasy concepts in games, but history and
background can mean so much more. There are plenty of Eamon games (and
others), which basically take the form of adventurer going into generic
undergorund dungeon full of goblins, rats etc, grabbing treasure and getti
I was going to buy it at the end of the month if the budgit allowed it, but
if you've already done it...
Shane
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Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:07 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
Hi tom.
It's also worth noting that as far as rules and rpgs go, if you've got a
good m, you don't even need to be a rules master for tabletop games either.
i played six months of our mutants and masterminds campeigne before our gm
bought me a copy of the rules in pdf format as a christmas pre
Hi Dark,
True enough. However, it is still none-the-less a personal risk.
Weather anything comes of it or not is anyone's guess.
That said, there is still quite a bit of wiggle room when it comes to
copyrights. There are some gray areas such as fan fiction that is
seriously challenging the big mo
Sound creation sure would be time consuming, and the north/south
restrictions would be even worse, and unrealistic. And you're most likely
right about the RPGs not being as I thought.
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I'm thinking that this would be a game I would have to try. Not that I like
only easily learned games, but having never encountered an RPG other than
Dungeon and Dragons and one other that was sort of similar, I've figured
that they are mostly along the same idea, and I have been mistaken. A
Hi tom.
I deffinately agree on the text adventure and parza idea, however one
problem with character picking is balancing the game.
Lets say you made a lotr game. Well doing hobbiton to rivendell would be
relatively easy, provided aragorn was an npc since your four principle
characters are t
Hi Dark,
I take your point, and agree with it in principle. I would feel the
same way if someone took something like Star Trek and renamed all the
ships, technology, and alien races in order to avoid copyrights and by
doing so lose all the history, main characters, and pretty much
everything else
Silly man throwing away his source code
At 02:38 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi Charles,
Well, we can still raise the money to buy the key generator and games
and host them on Audyssey, but from the sounds of it getting the
source code and continuing development of these games is a done deal.
I got
Hi Dark,
Agreed. I sincerely doubt any side-scroller could cover the whole of
Middle Earth unless a developer wanted to dedicate the rest of his
life to writing the game. For one thing you are limited to a 2d format
where the only directions are left, right, up, and down. There isn't
any north, so
Hi Charles,
I don't think Dark or I was suggesting anything quite as complex as
you are talking about below. You are thinking of something like
Dungeons and Dragons, which is indeed pretty extensive, but a roll
playing game does not have to be nearly as complex and heavily based
on rules as that.
Hi Dennis,
I certainly intend to do that. At this point using the key generator
as community property was merely an idea and isn't set in stone.
Obviously, Audyssey.org is here to do things legally, by the book so
to speak, so we are in communication with Justin to try and see what
can and can't b
Hi Shaun,
Well, that idea might work for some games, but not others. What I mean
by that depending on how the game is designed it might not be able to
be broken up into modules or separate components like that.
For example, take the game Shades of Doom. You couldn't break that
game up into separa
Thomas,
You may want to ask Justin how he feels about the key generator and
files being community released like you're proposing. His
distribution rights allow him to limit that, and it will definitely
cut into his revenue to promise that the community will buy one copy
and share it all over the
Hi Ibrahim.
I've known about galbadia for a while and have got various soundtracks from
them, though last I checked they didn't have the snes lotr game, but I do
know stuff gets uploaded frequently so it might be worth checking again.
Beware the grue!
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Hi charlse.
This is a design issue with rpgs, however if they are properly! designed
then you shouldn't have to read through the rules accept as reference
occasionally, or maybe have a short introduction.
Again, this is something great about eamon, since the system is so simple to
understand
Hi tom.
another problem with generic conceptsparticularly in fantasy settings, is
that they miss out on all the history, linguistic beauty and world that
middle earth contains, and can often basically appear just as the standard
D&D world with nothing really creatively new about it.
While I
They don't. I checked. That particular soundtrack is apparently unrippable.
But thou must!
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:12 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Dark and Brian.
A go
Hi Dark and Brian.
A good place for soundtracks of all flavours is Galbadia Hotel,
http://gh.ffshrine.org though I don't know whether they'll have the game
soundtrack you specifically want, their collection is very extensive.
All the best, Ibrahim.
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From: Bryan Pet
The problem I have with an RPG is the extensive set of rules. Those I have
encountered seem to have been so lengthy! I don't enjoy a game that uses a
large book of exceptions to a lengthy set of rules. This is why I would
prefer a side scroller. There would be room for exploration if the gam
Hi Phil,
Right. Yeah, I forgot about that. Of course, I think an audio game
developer could do essentially the same thing as the Dungeons and
Dragons books by borrowing generic fantasy elements of Lord of the
Rings such as goblins, trolls, gnomes, etc and instead of call the
Hobbits Hobbits use ha
Hi Dark,
Exactly. A Sapi driven or text based RPG could cover so much more than
a side-scroller or FPS which tend to be linier in nature. The typical
action game simply goes from level to level without a lot of option to
explore the world as it were and travel from town to town, level up
skills, a
Hi Cara,
Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get
someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to
host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public
as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help
each other in orde
Yeah. Like I said I wouldn't mind paying for it but like a lot of folks I
just don't have the cash and more than likely won't before te cut-off date.
But thou must!
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:20 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Aud
Hi Charles,
Well, we can still raise the money to buy the key generator and games
and host them on Audyssey, but from the sounds of it getting the
source code and continuing development of these games is a done deal.
I got a message from Justin a couple hours ago where he explained he
no longer ha
Hi Will,
In theory yes. Unfortunately, I just got done talking to Justin about
that very issue and unfortunately he says he no longer has the source
code to any of the programs on the Blindsoftware.com site. That means
although it would be nice to port these games to Mac OS, the Apple
iPhone, and
Hi Bryan,
I agree. In hindsight I think Justin should have said he was selling a
key generator that unlocks all of your products for $75 and that
probably would have been the end of it.. As it is I think he wanted to
sweeten the deal by making it sound like we are buying all this great
stuff when
Now that would be cool - to hear actual character voices for those versions
of some of the guys...LOL!
Jacob Kruger
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From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday,
I found an audio version of that joke Hobbit game. Pretty funy.
But thou must!
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From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:47 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Will also just say there are various interactiv
Hi Thomas,
The LOTR books are still copyrighted.
The Dungeons and Dragons books got around copyright by calling their half
sized humanoids Halflings instead of hobbits.
Other creatures like Elves and Gnomes are generic names that have been used
for centuries and thus can't be copyrighted.
Ph
Will also just say there are various interactive fiction format versions of
the original, stand-alone IF game, the hobbit out there, including one joke
version, where Gandalf smokes certain things, etc. etc. - that one's called
something like The hobbit, the true story - but, some of them are in
Hi Tom.
I agree, particularly given as we've said the often very arbitrary
catagorizations that are usedd to determine what is wrated as teen etc.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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