Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
thanks will wait for your email. At 09:22 AM 4/21/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Glad to hear that. Tell you what. I'll write you off list about this subject and we willsee if you can arrange for a download so Audyssey can upload and share these games when Blindsoftware.com goes out of business. Cheers! On 4/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well if you are meaning the community project, I am willing to allow full access to the community after blindsoftware closes. I have payed the 75 bucks us for the games. now if justin wants to charge a bit for the source, there is that much less for the community to fork. I am perfectly happy to do this. reguardless of this I plan to share with those that ask after 15th, however I would be interested in a community project. we really do need projects to pull the community together, this is surely the next step, we have all seen what eventually will happen to single developers, and it may be time to start moving as a group on things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
The Boston situation? Are you for real? At 05:32 PM 4/20/2013, you wrote: I think we might have a bigger problem on our hands. I read in the audiogames.net forum that some people actually bought this new package and got a partially strange order confirmation mail, but no further messages in which the key generator is included or linked to. And since the current blindsoftware.com site doesn't host the old free BSC titles which are part of that bonus offer except 15 Numbers, we might have found a problem. Does anyone actually have that key generator already or more important, does anyone know if the Boston situation could have messed up things for Justin or his company or the service SWREG which is used for actually ordering that package? - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Actually you're not forced to buy anything. Don't want it? -Just don't buy it. :) Nobody's forcing you to do anything. Sorry for being so glib, and I definitely do understand people's worry about the future of these games that mean a lot. -but please, can we kind of turn this ship around a bit and be constructive even if we disagree? There's still a month left before the company goes away. Surely we can come up with some situation so that this legacy can be at the very least preserved, or better still, be kept alive. I'm waiting for a note back. Perhaps more of us might want to approach Justin or maybe we could suggest the idea of making the support of these games a community-run project. Either way, we do have time and options Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I believe Justin's in Ohio same as Thomas is. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Trouble Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The Boston situation? Are you for real? At 05:32 PM 4/20/2013, you wrote: I think we might have a bigger problem on our hands. I read in the audiogames.net forum that some people actually bought this new package and got a partially strange order confirmation mail, but no further messages in which the key generator is included or linked to. And since the current blindsoftware.com site doesn't host the old free BSC titles which are part of that bonus offer except 15 Numbers, we might have found a problem. Does anyone actually have that key generator already or more important, does anyone know if the Boston situation could have messed up things for Justin or his company or the service SWREG which is used for actually ordering that package? - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Actually you're not forced to buy anything. Don't want it? -Just don't buy it. :) Nobody's forcing you to do anything. Sorry for being so glib, and I definitely do understand people's worry about the future of these games that mean a lot. -but please, can we kind of turn this ship around a bit and be constructive even if we disagree? There's still a month left before the company goes away. Surely we can come up with some situation so that this legacy can be at the very least preserved, or better still, be kept alive. I'm waiting for a note back. Perhaps more of us might want to approach Justin or maybe we could suggest the idea of making the support of these games a community-run project. Either way, we do have time and options… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Why shouldn't I be? I live in Germany, but that doesn't mean that I know where audio game developers live. And even I know what lockdown and manhunt mean. Besides, we have reports of some people who say that they bought the package and got no link or damaged files while atempting to get said files. And we also have at least one or two people who said that everything was ok with their order. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Sorry for these messages people. These were sent days ago and for some reason, have just shown up now. Oops! Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Actually you're not forced to buy anything. Don't want it? -Just don't buy it. :) Nobody's forcing you to do anything. Sorry for being so glib, and I definitely do understand people's worry about the future of these games that mean a lot. -but please, can we kind of turn this ship around a bit and be constructive even if we disagree? There's still a month left before the company goes away. Surely we can come up with some situation so that this legacy can be at the very least preserved, or better still, be kept alive. I'm waiting for a note back. Perhaps more of us might want to approach Justin or maybe we could suggest the idea of making the support of these games a community-run project. Either way, we do have time and options… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: It's only natural. Why should we basically be forced to buy a bunchof extra stuff in addition to what we actually want, some of which I need hardly point out was free to begin with? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I tink the problem is that the wording of Justin's Email made it seem thhat way. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Cara Quinn Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Actually you're not forced to buy anything. Don't want it? -Just don't buy it. :) Nobody's forcing you to do anything. Sorry for being so glib, and I definitely do understand people's worry about the future of these games that mean a lot. -but please, can we kind of turn this ship around a bit and be constructive even if we disagree? There's still a month left before the company goes away. Surely we can come up with some situation so that this legacy can be at the very least preserved, or better still, be kept alive. I'm waiting for a note back. Perhaps more of us might want to approach Justin or maybe we could suggest the idea of making the support of these games a community-run project. Either way, we do have time and options… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: It's only natural. Why should we basically be forced to buy a bunchof extra stuff in addition to what we actually want, some of which I need hardly point out was free to begin with? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Cara, That's my fault. Your messages were just slightly over the 10 KB limit and were held for moderator approval. Since traffic is up I didn't get to it until the weekend, and because they were just slightly over 10 KB let them through a little late. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Sorry for these messages people. These were sent days ago and for some reason, have just shown up now. Oops! Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Oh Thomas, I'm sorry. Will watch that a little closer from now on. Apologies!… Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, That's my fault. Your messages were just slightly over the 10 KB limit and were held for moderator approval. Since traffic is up I didn't get to it until the weekend, and because they were just slightly over 10 KB let them through a little late. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Sorry for these messages people. These were sent days ago and for some reason, have just shown up now. Oops! Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Charles, the key generator is worth many times more than $75. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If the key generator is worth $75 when considering the time and effort that went into creating it, I would pay the $75 for the key generator. The way his announcement was worded, though, was that you must buy everything for 1 flat fee, which is what is bothering some people. And, as Thomas Ward has pointed out, the software that keys are generated for may not work on platforms produced in the near future, so there goes your $75, because the software you bought is no longer supported. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can
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Hi I'm still using xp and I have blast chamber, classic Pipe and Hunter all 3 installed. My mom bought them for me for my birthday back in 2008. - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I know I said I was done, but have to address one more thing… Seriously folks…this conversation has devolved to trying to say that the $75 is wasted when Microsoft inevitably upgrades beyond the point where the games will run In that case, why ever buy any game ever? It won't run someday…it's just a matter of time. That aside, the games work through Windows 7 as far as I am aware…perhaps Windows 8. How many of you are still on Windows XP? Just because Microsoft stops supporting some of this stuff, doesn't mean you're all running out and getting a new computer. The visually impaired community only moves on to the next version of the OS begrudgingly, and usually long after much of the mainstream world has moved on. This is a problem that won't effect most of you for another 5 to 10 years or more if the community's past tendencies don't change radically. Are you seriously saying that $75 is too much to pay for a decades worth of continued enjoyment? Just trying to put this thing into perspective. Saying that the $75 is straight down the toilet as Brian put it, if Microsoft's next Window sup date doesn't support these games, is hyperbole to the extreme. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: The problem is I think the wording in Justin's message may have confused most of us, me included. But there's still te concern of what happens when Microsoft advances tote point that the games no longer run on newer operating systems. That's 75 bucks straight down the toilet. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, right? PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the Pipe2 game? smile. -- Raul A. Gallegos I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM
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Actually you're not forced to buy anything. Don't want it? -Just don't buy it. :) Nobody's forcing you to do anything. Sorry for being so glib, and I definitely do understand people's worry about the future of these games that mean a lot. -but please, can we kind of turn this ship around a bit and be constructive even if we disagree? There's still a month left before the company goes away. Surely we can come up with some situation so that this legacy can be at the very least preserved, or better still, be kept alive. I'm waiting for a note back. Perhaps more of us might want to approach Justin or maybe we could suggest the idea of making the support of these games a community-run project. Either way, we do have time and options… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: It's only natural. Why should we basically be forced to buy a bunchof extra stuff in addition to what we actually want, some of which I need hardly point out was free to begin with? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner
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Hi Shaun, Glad to hear that. Tell you what. I'll write you off list about this subject and we willsee if you can arrange for a download so Audyssey can upload and share these games when Blindsoftware.com goes out of business. Cheers! On 4/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well if you are meaning the community project, I am willing to allow full access to the community after blindsoftware closes. I have payed the 75 bucks us for the games. now if justin wants to charge a bit for the source, there is that much less for the community to fork. I am perfectly happy to do this. reguardless of this I plan to share with those that ask after 15th, however I would be interested in a community project. we really do need projects to pull the community together, this is surely the next step, we have all seen what eventually will happen to single developers, and it may be time to start moving as a group on things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think we might have a bigger problem on our hands. I read in the audiogames.net forum that some people actually bought this new package and got a partially strange order confirmation mail, but no further messages in which the key generator is included or linked to. And since the current blindsoftware.com site doesn't host the old free BSC titles which are part of that bonus offer except 15 Numbers, we might have found a problem. Does anyone actually have that key generator already or more important, does anyone know if the Boston situation could have messed up things for Justin or his company or the service SWREG which is used for actually ordering that package? - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Actually you're not forced to buy anything. Don't want it? -Just don't buy it. :) Nobody's forcing you to do anything. Sorry for being so glib, and I definitely do understand people's worry about the future of these games that mean a lot. -but please, can we kind of turn this ship around a bit and be constructive even if we disagree? There's still a month left before the company goes away. Surely we can come up with some situation so that this legacy can be at the very least preserved, or better still, be kept alive. I'm waiting for a note back. Perhaps more of us might want to approach Justin or maybe we could suggest the idea of making the support of these games a community-run project. Either way, we do have time and options… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, Most of the BSC Games titles are available from the Blindsoftware.com site. I should know since I just downloaded Pipe, Classic Pipe Blast Chamber, Deekout, Hunter, Classic Troopanum, and Troopanum 2.0 all from the site directly without purchasing the pack of games just last night. The only thing I couldn't get from there was Crazy Darts, Finger Panic, and Bobby's Revenge. However, I believe I have them on a backup anyway. Cheers! On 4/20/13, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: I think we might have a bigger problem on our hands. I read in the audiogames.net forum that some people actually bought this new package and got a partially strange order confirmation mail, but no further messages in which the key generator is included or linked to. And since the current blindsoftware.com site doesn't host the old free BSC titles which are part of that bonus offer except 15 Numbers, we might have found a problem. Does anyone actually have that key generator already or more important, does anyone know if the Boston situation could have messed up things for Justin or his company or the service SWREG which is used for actually ordering that package? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thomas, yes! these are the sorts of ideas we need more of! :) This is what I'm talkin' about! :) I think Shaun actually also brought this up as a possibility and it crossed my mind too but you two beat me to it! :) So thank you for suggesting this. I think something like this would be a terrific idea. Sure it would be great to have one of us own the company but community driven would even be better… If we all chipped in a little bit we might be able to not only raise the $75 but perhaps even make it worth Justin's consideration of making the code available. -Just a thought… I wonder if the community would be interested in this?… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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also if someone can purchase the rights to the titles can they be ported to mac and iOS for example? Draconis claim they are having IOS tiles, why not pipe 2 and troopanum for mac and IOS therefore for example, expanding the community options for these titles and revive them with new content perhaps? On 19 Apr 2013, at 08:11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And that would give new audio gamers wo discover our little niche only after the ct-off date the chance to try these amazing and classic games. And now tat I've had time to think abouut it that more than anything is what upsets me most about tis. Had I the 75 dollars I would ided fork it over, but it's highly unlikely that I ill even next month. So I'm going to miss te opportunity. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Cara, Well, I guess in time it would certainly pay for itself. After all I am getting an unlimited number of unlock codes for every piece of software on the site and $75 for that is a deal when I stop to consider the total value of the package. Of course, I'd pay double that if I could have his source code which I could convert to newer programming languages and turn around and resell. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles… So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills o pay tat's not appening. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:59 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello Yes I myself would love 2 b apart of that. That sounds like a great plan. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan, I agree. In hindsight I think Justin should have said he was selling a key generator that unlocks all of your products for $75 and that probably would have been the end of it.. As it is I think he wanted to sweeten the deal by making it sound like we are buying all this great stuff when in reality all we are buying is the key generator and downloading any and all programs we want from Blindsoftware.com. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills to pay that's not happening. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Will, In theory yes. Unfortunately, I just got done talking to Justin about that very issue and unfortunately he says he no longer has the source code to any of the programs on the Blindsoftware.com site. That means although it would be nice to port these games to Mac OS, the Apple iPhone, and other such devices a developer such as myself would literally have nothing to start with or use as a basis of comparison. The games would have to be rewritten from the ground up anyway to run on Mac OS or iOS, but there is critical information in the source code like the timers, hit point information, scoring for the various enemy ships, and so on that would now have to be reinvented from scratch as well. So I think it would probably be a better idea in the long run just to write a new Space Invaders clone for those platforms than to try and recreate Classic Troopenum or Troopenum 2.0. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Will will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: also if someone can purchase the rights to the titles can they be ported to mac and iOS for example? Draconis claim they are having IOS tiles, why not pipe 2 and troopanum for mac and IOS therefore for example, expanding the community options for these titles and revive them with new content perhaps? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Well, we can still raise the money to buy the key generator and games and host them on Audyssey, but from the sounds of it getting the source code and continuing development of these games is a done deal. I got a message from Justin a couple hours ago where he explained he no longer had the source code for any of the games and programs on Blindsoftware.com. As a result if we want to upgrade these programs we literally have to start over from scratch. Not cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yeah. Like I said I wouldn't mind paying for it but like a lot of folks I just don't have the cash and more than likely won't before te cut-off date. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:20 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Bryan, I agree. In hindsight I think Justin should have said he was selling a key generator that unlocks all of your products for $75 and that probably would have been the end of it.. As it is I think he wanted to sweeten the deal by making it sound like we are buying all this great stuff when in reality all we are buying is the key generator and downloading any and all programs we want from Blindsoftware.com. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills to pay that's not happening. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. I think for all practical purposes writing them in C# .NET and then using the Mono Framework would be the best way to develop them as thanks to Mono C# .NET code is very cross-platform portable these days. There is even a version of Mono for iOS I believe. Although, it isn't free as the versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux are. Alternatively writing them in C++ wouldn't be as portable as C# .NET, but might actually run better and wouldn't require that .NET or Mono be installed on the host machine. All that would be needed is porting them to Object C for iOS which isn't too complicated I've heard. Any thoughts? Cheers! On 4/19/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, yes! these are the sorts of ideas we need more of! :) This is what I'm talkin' about! :) I think Shaun actually also brought this up as a possibility and it crossed my mind too but you two beat me to it! :) So thank you for suggesting this. I think something like this would be a terrific idea. Sure it would be great to have one of us own the company but community driven would even be better… If we all chipped in a little bit we might be able to not only raise the $75 but perhaps even make it worth Justin's consideration of making the code available. -Just a thought… I wonder if the community would be interested in this?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thomas, You may want to ask Justin how he feels about the key generator and files being community released like you're proposing. His distribution rights allow him to limit that, and it will definitely cut into his revenue to promise that the community will buy one copy and share it all over the place for free. He might be more comfortable with some kind of embargoed system, where yes, the community makes it available for free, but not until one or two years have passed since the company closing. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dennis, I certainly intend to do that. At this point using the key generator as community property was merely an idea and isn't set in stone. Obviously, Audyssey.org is here to do things legally, by the book so to speak, so we are in communication with Justin to try and see what can and can't be done with these games. Getting his written permission to use the ke generators after Blindsoftware.com closes is vital to doing all this legally. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com wrote: Thomas, You may want to ask Justin how he feels about the key generator and files being community released like you're proposing. His distribution rights allow him to limit that, and it will definitely cut into his revenue to promise that the community will buy one copy and share it all over the place for free. He might be more comfortable with some kind of embargoed system, where yes, the community makes it available for free, but not until one or two years have passed since the company closing. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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not necessarily, they will apear publically at some point, it just would be nice of justin officially did the permition thing but they will appear reguardless of what happens. and if you know what to do there are ways even now. At 11:07 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: And that would give new audio gamers wo discover our little niche only after the ct-off date the chance to try these amazing and classic games. And now tat I've had time to think abouut it that more than anything is what upsets me most about tis. Had I the 75 dollars I would ided fork it over, but it's highly unlikely that I ill even next month. So I'm going to miss te opportunity. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Cara, Well, I guess in time it would certainly pay for itself. After all I am getting an unlimited number of unlock codes for every piece of software on the site and $75 for that is a deal when I stop to consider the total value of the package. Of course, I'd pay double that if I could have his source code which I could convert to newer programming languages and turn around and resell. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well if you are meaning the community project, I am willing to allow full access to the community after blindsoftware closes. I have payed the 75 bucks us for the games. now if justin wants to charge a bit for the source, there is that much less for the community to fork. I am perfectly happy to do this. reguardless of this I plan to share with those that ask after 15th, however I would be interested in a community project. we really do need projects to pull the community together, this is surely the next step, we have all seen what eventually will happen to single developers, and it may be time to start moving as a group on things. At 01:00 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hello Yes I myself would love 2 b apart of that. That sounds like a great plan. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I completely miss the point of the message. It's not a matter of people wanting it for free, it's the problem of the games not being available, at all, after may. That ,and if people already bought the games already, then how would you explain why paying $75, for all of his software, probably 90% of which people don't want, and paying for the games they already bought again is OK? Also his message did clearly state that Blind software is closing for ever. I'd say it's really unlikely he'll be returning to them - not if he's just planning to kill the website and pretty much everything else. As far as piracy goes, donno if you can call distributing software which is for all intents and purposes unavailable through legal ways piracy. On 2013-04-18 21:10, Draconis wrote: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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My thoughts exactly, only said better and calmer than I feel I could have said it, hence the reason I didn't get involved. As it happens, despite pretty much paying for the games twice due to annoying but understandable circumstances, I have now paid for them a third time in order that I can unlock the software when needed, but just as importantly, to give Justin the money I feel he deserves after so long and so much time and effort spent on his part. There is no donate button, so to me, paying for three licences for every product is just as good. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already own if he was charging the full price…but he isn't. Not even close. You're effectively getting the majority of the products for free. But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. Carry on. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
We're still basically having to purchase them again as well as other products not everybody's going to be interested in. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already own if he was charging the full price…but he isn't. Not even close. You're effectively getting the majority of the products for free. But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. Carry on. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Charles. You've seen my emails on this subject I've no doubt, however I'm happy to sell unlock codes for those unwilling or unable to purchase the package as a whole or who don't want to spend the $75 for what they see as pre-owned licensed software. I have had several customers already who are delighted with the service I provide as well as the cost saving, I am also on hand to provide any technical help should things go wrong and I can provide replacement keys where necessary should the user choose to change their machine. If you want any of the programs but don't want to buy product keys from a website which is going to be shut down or need a replacement for a program you already have, my service at just $20 or £15 is a considerably cheaper alternative. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Well, Draconis. I don't think that it is people not agreeing with you, it is that people feel that they just want their keys for only the items they paid for. Exsample I only had purchased five items out of all the items that he was offering, so I feel that I should just get the keys to the products I bought. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
That is precisely my point as well. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Exactly. It might be more expensive in the long run, but the whole point that some of us are making is that we should be able to choose whether we want the whole package, or just individual parts of it. I know what the next phase of this argument will be, though. Something along the lines of, but what happens if your DVD copies of your movies get lost, broken, stolen, etc.? Then you have to go out and buy them again. That would almost be a solid case, if you don't stop to think about the fact that nowadays, there are services like netflicks and Hulu that charge a flat fee, thus nearly eliminating the need for DVD's in some people's minds. My point being, there's more than one way to go about doing things, more than one way to attract customers. This is, in my opinion, what BSC should be doing. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I didn't say that. All I said is it doesn't make sense to have to repurchase what we've already paid for. Then of course there's the fact tat he's basically requiring s to buy a bunch of other stuff that not everybody's going to be interested in on top of that. Some of those other products were free to begin with. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Well said Desiree. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Exactly. It might be more expensive in the long run, but the whole point that some of us are making is that we should be able to choose whether we want the whole package, or just individual parts of it. I know what the next phase of this argument will be, though. Something along the lines of, but what happens if your DVD copies of your movies get lost, broken, stolen, etc.? Then you have to go out and buy them again. That would almost be a solid case, if you don't stop to think about the fact that nowadays, there are services like netflicks and Hulu that charge a flat fee, thus nearly eliminating the need for DVD's in some people's minds. My point being, there's more than one way to go about doing things, more than one way to attract customers. This is, in my opinion, what BSC should be doing. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that simple, folks. So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics involved. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I didn't say that. All I said is it doesn't make sense to have to repurchase what we've already paid for. Then of course there's the fact tat he's basically requiring s to buy a bunch of other stuff that not everybody's going to be interested in on top of that. Some of those other products were free to begin with. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
And that last point is the one I'm trying to make. And some may wat only the five arcade games and not the word games. Why should we be forced to pay for those on top of what we actually wanted? If the packages were split up I'm sure people would be more inclined to pay. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:28 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Josh, Oh, I think most of us understand what Justin is doing and why. At least I certainly do. I know that there is one key generator that does it all, and of course that appears to be the source of the disagreement here. For example, I purchased Troopenum II a long time ago when the game first came out. Let's say all I want is a key generator for that one specific game. I don't care about Pipe II, Classic Troopenum, Hunter, or any of the other software in the package. Well, in order to play that particular game I am paying $75 worth of software I don't want just to license the game I already own. This is I think the main reason people are upset because maybe they only want to license certain things rather than having a master key generator that can license everything. Of course, I realize as you do that he doesn't have key generators for each application, and doesn't want to take the time writing them so chose to do an all in one deal. It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that simple, folks. So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics involved. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
It's only natural. Why should we basically be forced to buy a bunchof extra stuff in addition to what we actually want, some of which I need hardly point out was free to begin with? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org
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Charles, You don't just get to decide what is for sale. You don't get to go to a store and say, I only want half of this frozen dinner because I still have left overs from my previous one. The whole package is what's currently for sale, and your three options are to buy it, not buy it, or ask the developer if he's willing to split it. My guess is that he's not offering individual sales because it's not worth the time and effort. I'm sure if you were to offer to properly compensate him for doing the splits, he'd take you up on it. Just remember that his time isn't cheap. He's got a family to take care of. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
But you at least still get to choose what to buy. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Dennis Towne Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:52 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Charles, You don't just get to decide what is for sale. You don't get to go to a store and say, I only want half of this frozen dinner because I still have left overs from my previous one. The whole package is what's currently for sale, and your three options are to buy it, not buy it, or ask the developer if he's willing to split it. My guess is that he's not offering individual sales because it's not worth the time and effort. I'm sure if you were to offer to properly compensate him for doing the splits, he'd take you up on it. Just remember that his time isn't cheap. He's got a family to take care of. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Not only that but with the way Microsoft is going it sounds as though that 75 bucks will go to waste sooner or later anyway since sooner or later the programs won't even run on more recent systems. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:49 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Josh, Oh, I think most of us understand what Justin is doing and why. At least I certainly do. I know that there is one key generator that does it all, and of course that appears to be the source of the disagreement here. For example, I purchased Troopenum II a long time ago when the game first came out. Let's say all I want is a key generator for that one specific game. I don't care about Pipe II, Classic Troopenum, Hunter, or any of the other software in the package. Well, in order to play that particular game I am paying $75 worth of software I don't want just to license the game I already own. This is I think the main reason people are upset because maybe they only want to license certain things rather than having a master key generator that can license everything. Of course, I realize as you do that he doesn't have key generators for each application, and doesn't want to take the time writing them so chose to do an all in one deal. It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that simple, folks. So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics involved. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions
I aggree with all points and viewpoints so far. At 07:31 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: My thoughts exactly, only said better and calmer than I feel I could have said it, hence the reason I didn't get involved. As it happens, despite pretty much paying for the games twice due to annoying but understandable circumstances, I have now paid for them a third time in order that I can unlock the software when needed, but just as importantly, to give Justin the money I feel he deserves after so long and so much time and effort spent on his part. There is no donate button, so to me, paying for three licences for every product is just as good. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions Hi all, BSC was a pioneer iin the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. /x-flowed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I suppose you're getting duplicates of what you already have at a rock bottom price. Question remains, though: Do you want them? If you only want to buy the key generator, as Microsoft keeps advancing the platforms and older ones get obsolete, will the key generator still work? www.nbp.org was selling brailled copies of the Harry Potter series of books for the same price as the inkprint editions. I already had the first 5, purchased individually. After all 7 had been published, I could have bought the entire 7 book series for $50, but I did not. I bought the last two separately. However, the important fact is that I did not have to buy the full series. I could buy individuals. In the case here, that is not an option. You must buy everything or nothing, and after the deadline, even that won't be an option. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Unless I am misunderstanding, the key generator will generate keys for all products? You don't need a separate generator for each product. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
If the key generator is worth $75 when considering the time and effort that went into creating it, I would pay the $75 for the key generator. The way his announcement was worded, though, was that you must buy everything for 1 flat fee, which is what is bothering some people. And, as Thomas Ward has pointed out, the software that keys are generated for may not work on platforms produced in the near future, so there goes your $75, because the software you bought is no longer supported. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile…people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Nobody buys portions of a TV dinner. People might not buy any, though, if they only wanted 2 varieties, but had to buy 12 varieties, 10 that they don't like, to get those 2 that they like. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Charles, You don't just get to decide what is for sale. You don't get to go to a store and say, I only want half of this frozen dinner because I still have left overs from my previous one. The whole package is what's currently for sale, and your three options are to buy it, not buy it, or ask the developer if he's willing to split it. My guess is that he's not offering individual sales because it's not worth the time and effort. I'm sure if you were to offer to properly compensate him for doing the splits, he'd take you up on it. Just remember that his time isn't cheap. He's got a family to take care of. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I don't mind paying for what I don't have, but don't feel that I should have to pay for already purchased software as part of a package. For me, this is the issue. Why should everyone have to purchase the full package when most probably have already purchased part of it? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Not only that but will the games even continue to run as Microsoft gets more sophisticated? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I suppose you're getting duplicates of what you already have at a rock bottom price. Question remains, though: Do you want them? If you only want to buy the key generator, as Microsoft keeps advancing the platforms and older ones get obsolete, will the key generator still work? www.nbp.org was selling brailled copies of the Harry Potter series of books for the same price as the inkprint editions. I already had the first 5, purchased individually. After all 7 had been published, I could have bought the entire 7 book series for $50, but I did not. I bought the last two separately. However, the important fact is that I did not have to buy the full series. I could buy individuals. In the case here, that is not an option. You must buy everything or nothing, and after the deadline, even that won't be an option. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
who knows but eventually we will need vms sertainly to run eamon we will need them or old gaming systems a thing I have been contemplating. At 09:42 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Not only that but will the games even continue to run as Microsoft gets more sophisticated? But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I suppose you're getting duplicates of what you already have at a rock bottom price. Question remains, though: Do you want them? If you only want to buy the key generator, as Microsoft keeps advancing the platforms and older ones get obsolete, will the key generator still work? www.nbp.org was selling brailled copies of the Harry Potter series of books for the same price as the inkprint editions. I already had the first 5, purchased individually. After all 7 had been published, I could have bought the entire 7 book series for $50, but I did not. I bought the last two separately. However, the important fact is that I did not have to buy the full series. I could buy individuals. In the case here, that is not an option. You must buy everything or nothing, and after the deadline, even that won't be an option. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, right? PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the Pipe2 game? smile. -- Raul A. Gallegos I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Bryan, Well, its possible, but of course its not just Microsoft. The entire computer industry is changing and games like the BSC Games are not being updated to meet those changes, nor will they ever be. For example, the 64-bit processors have been on the market for roughly five years or so and many software companies besides Microsoft are going 64-bit. Mac OS is 64-bit, Linux is 64-bit, and of course Windows 7 and Windows 8 are 64-bit as well as many applications for those platforms. While it is possible to still run older VB 6 programs like the BSC Games on a 64-bit PC its just a case in point of something that isn't going to be supported directly. Then, there is the issue that everyone seems to be migrating from the traditional desktop and laptop computer to handheld devices like tablets and smart phones. There are a number of tablets running Google's Android OS, Apple's iPad running iOS, and Microsoft has some new touchscreen tablets and Windows Phones with Windows 8 on them. Since the industry is moving to these handheld devices the desktops and laptops are slowly being phased out in favor of smaller more mobile devices. As many of these devices are already accessible I look for PC use, even in the blind community, to eventually decrease in favor of these cheaper handheld devices. Look how many gamers here already use iPhones and iPads. Then, there is changes in security schemas that conflict with or cause troubles for older games. When Microsoft introduced UAC none of the audio game developers were prepared for it, and in deed most of them just say turn it off rather than write UAC compliant code. While I understand why they do it they are really ignoring a bigger problem in that they are asking users to bypass security to run outdated software. The problem here is that Visual Basic 6 was developed in 1998 for an OS now 14 years old. It was never designed for handheld devices, 64-bit processors, or new security features like UAC. Anything written in that language like the BSC Games is really living on borrowed time. As long as someone has a compliant computer or has a working virtual machine its fine. However, the way the industry as a whole is changing its going to become more and more problematic as time goes on. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Not only that but with the way Microsoft is going it sounds as though that 75 bucks will go to waste sooner or later anyway since sooner or later the programs won't even run on more recent systems. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
The problem is I think the wording in Justin's message may have confused most of us, me included. But there's still te concern of what happens when Microsoft advances tote point that the games no longer run on newer operating systems. That's 75 bucks straight down the toilet. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, right? PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the Pipe2 game? smile. -- Raul A. Gallegos I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie three would be $140 total for seven films you want. Or… $40 for the two you already bought plus $40 for the box set. equals $80 $80 is $60 less than $140. Win win. The math is almost identical in this case, except I think Justin's deal is actually better than the scenario above. To me, if you're not paying anywhere near full price for anything, you're effectively getting the majority of the package for free. So you are not, in reality, being made to buy them again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web
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My thing is this. What if someone had bought all of the software from blindsoftware? Then they will have to basically repay for the items again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Except that I guess you're just paying for the ability to generate your own unlock codes in the event that you have to get a new computer. You just hope the games and their dependencies will still run on your new machine. But thou must! -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:45 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. My thing is this. What if someone had bought all of the software from blindsoftware? Then they will have to basically repay for the items again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
That would make sense but that's not the way he did it. But thou must! -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:50 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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i agree i also want to thank juston for all the software he has put out and i want to wish him nothing but the best in what ever he will do in the future . your friend lee In a message dated 4/18/2013 3:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, i...@dracoent.com writes: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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He definitely put out some great titles. WOuld've been nice to see more but there you are. But thou must! -Original Message- From: blindle...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:22 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… i agree i also want to thank juston for all the software he has put out and i want to wish him nothing but the best in what ever he will do in the future . your friend lee In a message dated 4/18/2013 3:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, i...@dracoent.com writes: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
I know I said I was done, but have to address one more thing… Seriously folks…this conversation has devolved to trying to say that the $75 is wasted when Microsoft inevitably upgrades beyond the point where the games will run In that case, why ever buy any game ever? It won't run someday…it's just a matter of time. That aside, the games work through Windows 7 as far as I am aware…perhaps Windows 8. How many of you are still on Windows XP? Just because Microsoft stops supporting some of this stuff, doesn't mean you're all running out and getting a new computer. The visually impaired community only moves on to the next version of the OS begrudgingly, and usually long after much of the mainstream world has moved on. This is a problem that won't effect most of you for another 5 to 10 years or more if the community's past tendencies don't change radically. Are you seriously saying that $75 is too much to pay for a decades worth of continued enjoyment? Just trying to put this thing into perspective. Saying that the $75 is straight down the toilet as Brian put it, if Microsoft's next Window sup date doesn't support these games, is hyperbole to the extreme. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: The problem is I think the wording in Justin's message may have confused most of us, me included. But there's still te concern of what happens when Microsoft advances tote point that the games no longer run on newer operating systems. That's 75 bucks straight down the toilet. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Josh, FWIW I also read it that way. It's one key generator, and you use it to generate keys for 1 or all titles. It doesn't mean you are paying over for a title or 2 which you may have purchased years ago, but for the ability to generate keys for your own personal use. To anyone else who is reading my message, I also think that those who are offering to generate keys for $20 or whatever are taking advantage, and I'm not sure how legal or ethical that really is, but it's expected that this key generator will be pirated anyway, so I don't see why we have to continue beating a dead horse on this topic. Also, while I'm sure the list owners like a lively discussion about anything game related, there are some people who see things one way, and others on the completely opposite view of it. So, to each his/her own, right? PS, should I get royalties because it's my demo which is included in the Pipe2 game? smile. -- Raul A. Gallegos I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 3:36 PM, Draconis wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example… Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
well all vb6 games will eventually face this, there will probably be ways to intigrate the support its just going to require more work thats all. At 09:27 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: If the key generator is worth $75 when considering the time and effort that went into creating it, I would pay the $75 for the key generator. The way his announcement was worded, though, was that you must buy everything for 1 flat fee, which is what is bothering some people. And, as Thomas Ward has pointed out, the software that keys are generated for may not work on platforms produced in the near future, so there goes your $75, because the software you bought is no longer supported. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I said that because Brian, and others, are saying that want to be able to only buy generators for the games they already own, and not for those they don't care about. This means Justin would have to create generators for each game individually that don't currently exist to accommodate these people. Instead, Justin's selling the program which allows the generation of all keys. A program which he already has and has been in use for years. That is the smart, and the sane, thing to do. In the end, you're right about the discussion being futile people want what they want, whether it makes any sense or is possible. And if it isn't possible, they'll want someone to blame, whether that blame is warranted or not. On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but you just said something about him creating multiple key generators. Now I'm confused. Either way, it's not a smart business tactic. Will that change the way it's being handled? I don't think so. Will it change anyone's opinion who's disagreeing? I doubt that, too. I have a feeling we could probably all go back and forth about this all day, but in the end, that $75 will be the end result whether we like it or not. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Most developers have a single key generation app that handles all the different systems and generating keys for them. If you read Justin's post, he says you are getting the key generator program, singular. But I'm feeling like I'm the only person who actually read his post. LOL On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: Why would he have to write separate keygens for each program, though? The classic pipe and Troopanum games used the same system. There's one down. Pipe and Troopanum2 used another one. I'm not sure what kind of system the word games used, having never bought them, but since they were released around the same time as the classics, I'm going to assume, perhaps wrongly, that they used that first system. Thus, only two keygen programs would really need to be created. I would gladly pay for two keygens. And, I personally think that the games and software packages should be split up, at the very least. Some people may not want the software, or some may not want the games. They really are two separate entities. On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: So, what you're saying, is you want Justin to devote time and effort to write brand-new, individual key generators for each and every title, sell them off piece meal, and charge full price for them? Wow. In the example Buying the individual films you want at full price would cost almost twice as much. You have some strange logic there. Most people prefer to spend less. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Or you can just buy the individual films you want once and have done. That's the whole point. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Several people are still saying they are being forced to repurchase games they already own. So, let me break this down into an example that may help with those missing the point. There are 8 Harry Potter films. If we say the average price of these eon DVD is $20, for the sake of argument, the total cost of buying each film individually would be $160. You've already bought films 1 and 2 on DVD for $40. But now, Warner Brothers is offering a box set of all 8 films on DVD for the unbelievable price of $40! That's 1/4 the cost. And let's say, you didn't like Prisoner of Azkaban, so never really planned on buying that one. You can buy the box set, and still come out $60 ahead, or you can be upset because you're being made to re-purchase the first two movies again, plus movie 3 that you didn't like. The math is: 8 movies for $20 each is $160 Minus movie
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: Is the key generator alone worth $75? On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Very true. I spent quite a lot of time playing Classic Pipe when I bought it. On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: He definitely put out some great titles. WOuld've been nice to see more but there you are. But thou must! -Original Message- From: blindle...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:22 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… i agree i also want to thank juston for all the software he has put out and i want to wish him nothing but the best in what ever he will do in the future . your friend lee In a message dated 4/18/2013 3:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, i...@dracoent.com writes: Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Hi Desiree, That is really a personal call. If you want all the games and the other software the key generator is a steel for $75. However, if you are only buying it for one or two games then its probably not as valuable considering you aren't using everything you paid for. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: Is the key generator alone worth $75? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: We're still basically having to purchase them again as well as other products not everybody's going to be interested in. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already own if he was charging the full price…but he isn't. Not even close. You're effectively getting the majority of the products for free. But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. Carry on. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he spent developing them in the first place. Whatever his reasons or movations, I have no doubt that some of you will pirate the heck out of these games without a thought to their creator. Should Activision give away the Infocom collection for free? Should Nintendo allow anyone to make clones of NES or SNES cartridges of the old Super Mario Brothers Games? Maybe Paramount should give up the rights to Star Trek the Next Generation, after all, they aren't making that series anymore. Rather than calling justin greedy for giving folks the chance to do the right, legal, and ethical thing and purchase games they may want before their gone for a ridiculously reduced price, you should all be thanking him for the hours of entertainment and enjoyment he brought to you over the years. Personally, I'd like to thank Justin for paving the way for developers like me to do what we love. I don't think it is him who is being greedy
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles… So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Josh, Oh, I think most of us understand what Justin is doing and why. At least I certainly do. I know that there is one key generator that does it all, and of course that appears to be the source of the disagreement here. For example, I purchased Troopenum II a long time ago when the game first came out. Let's say all I want is a key generator for that one specific game. I don't care about Pipe II, Classic Troopenum, Hunter, or any of the other software in the package. Well, in order to play that particular game I am paying $75 worth of software I don't want just to license the game I already own. This is I think the main reason people are upset because maybe they only want to license certain things rather than having a master key generator that can license everything. Of course, I realize as you do that he doesn't have key generators for each application, and doesn't want to take the time writing them so chose to do an all in one deal. It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Justin should've just sold the key generator for $75. It would have had the same exact result, and you all would be able to grasp what he's doing. The key generator creates keys for *all* *of* *the* *titles.* He either sells them all, or he doesn't sell the generator at all. It's that simple, folks. So you're either saying you want him to create a ton of new generators, or you want him to just shut down and offer nothing. Anyway, I'll leave you to it and exit this thread. There's no way Justin could have possibly made everyone happy, and no one wants to take the time to actually consider why he's doing what he's doing and the logistics involved. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'm going to agree with you, Charles, and add something else. TO expect Justi to page down years worth of records, figure ou exactly which games they have bought, then create separate Keygens and eMail them all separately is utterly and totally absurd. Then I suppose you'd be wanting separate charges per person for how many products they'd bought? A separate keygen for each remaining product? Jst be happy that all you have to pay is $75 for not only over 10 pieces of software once, but the means to create and recreate keys for these programs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thank you Charles! Hear here! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
Yes, the key generator is easily worth several times $75. Consider that this app alone is essentially the heart of the business in that it ensures security and protects Justin's livelihood while the business exists. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: Is the key generator alone worth $75? On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
There is something that I thought of while reading through this thread. Everybody seems to be hung up on spending all this money for something that's been done in the past, but what about an future? How long do you think you will enjoy this after you have bought the key generator? I think about one month to four months at the most. That is just me though. Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S -- E-mail or iMessage: w...@wilanddenise.com Twitter: wiljames zellow: wilcjames On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Yes, the key generator is easily worth several times $75. Consider that this app alone is essentially the heart of the business in that it ensures security and protects Justin's livelihood while the business exists. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com wrote: At this point, I guess the only question that remains to be asked is: Is the key generator alone worth $75? On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What I would like would be able to buy the products I want, at a reduced price of BSC's choice, and, if I want, including the program that generates unlock codes. Actually, personally, the only product I would probably order would be the key generator. I'm not sure that I would pay $75 for it. I'd have to think about it. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: hayden presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. I'm going to agree with you, Charles, and add something else. TO expect Justi to page down years worth of records, figure ou exactly which games they have bought, then create separate Keygens and eMail them all separately is utterly and totally absurd. Then I suppose you'd be wanting separate charges per person for how many products they'd bought? A separate keygen for each remaining product? Jst be happy that all you have to pay is $75 for not only over 10 pieces of software once, but the means to create and recreate keys for these programs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Time and work were spent on making a game. More time and effort were used to create a program that generated the game's unlock key. That program would also generate unlock codes for other software. You spent money on a game. Why should you get the program, which was created separately, that generates unlock keys, without paying something for it? The voiced objection is that we should not have to pay for something we have already bought. We have not bought the key generator. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. The thing is if he was giving all of the software that he had made instead of some of the software, then I could see the point of buying the whole package. However when he had decided to close his doors, he should have worked on key gens for the different software. Then he should have sent out copies to everyone who had paid. For exsample since I had paid for some of the games, then he should have sent me key gens for those games at no cost. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Cara, Well, I guess in time it would certainly pay for itself. After all I am getting an unlimited number of unlock codes for every piece of software on the site and $75 for that is a deal when I stop to consider the total value of the package. Of course, I'd pay double that if I could have his source code which I could convert to newer programming languages and turn around and resell. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles… So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
