Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread Charles Rivard
Agreed. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mon

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Agreed, but the point was the fastest game possible. Not necessarily the smartest decisions when playing or what would be a good over all strategy for a typical Monopoly game. The only goal being put forth by the people in the article was seeing how fast they could finish a Monopoly ga

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Yes, Boardwalk and Park Place are the dark blue squares. Boardwalk is right next to go and is the most expensive property on the board. Cheers! On 8/13/14, dark wrote: > Lol, the amusing point is player 2 can't even get out of that scenario, if > the fates decide that way he's dooomed

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread Charles Rivard
t 13, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds But being smart about your playing wasn't the idea behind this game; its the *fastest* not smartest way to win that's being put forward. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" I find this not very likel

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread john
But being smart about your playing wasn't the idea behind this game; its the *fastest* not smartest way to win that's being put forward. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/06/how_to_win_monopoly_in_21_seco.html --- Gamers mailing list _

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread Charles Rivard
- Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 2:19 AM Subject: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds Hi all. Read this and go lol. Aparently it can be done http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/06/how_to_win_monopoly_in_21_seco.html --- Game

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread dark
s), it still does seem strange to me to not see it in operation. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds Hi all. Read this and go lol. Aparently it can be done

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, thanks for sharing this. Definitely quite interesting. The odds of this ever happening in someone's life time are slim to none, but its nice to know the game can be played and won so quickly if lady luck happens to shine on the player at just the right time. Cheers! On 8/13/14, shaun

[Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds

2014-08-13 Thread shaun everiss
Hi all. Read this and go lol. Aparently it can be done http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/06/how_to_win_monopoly_in_21_seco.html --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Freezing up

2014-05-30 Thread Shaun Everiss
-- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: "Steve Cullen" Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Freezing up Hi Steve, I&#x

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Freezing up

2014-05-29 Thread Charles Rivard
So your game went to the dogs?? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: "Steve Cullen" Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audys

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Freezing up

2014-05-29 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Steve, I'm sorry to hear that my Monopoly game is freezing up. It is not doing that here. I am not sure what to say. But I did just happen to play a game against the computer last night. It did not go well for me. Jim player number 1. on North Carolina Avenue. Select Roll Dice You

[Audyssey] Monopoly Freezing up

2014-05-28 Thread Steve Cullen
Hi Everyone, I am having trouble Playing Jim Kitchens monopoly. Everytime I play against the computer. The Game Freezes up. I don't think it's the actual game but the voice freezes up. I am using a windows 7 computer. Any help would be appreciated thank you all very much. Regards, Steve Cullen --

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread shaun everiss
done using their ears. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questionsreg

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread dark
Fair enough Tom. I admit while I've briefly played a couple of the Wii sports games it's not something I've done as frequently or know as much about as I do beatemups so my assessment on the complexities of picking the thing up and playing without sight might be off. Beware the Grue! Ark.

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practicalquestions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread dark
Well Darren, for sighted users beatemups don't have a complex interface in terms of understanding what is going on. The problem tends to come in terms of multiple block types, innumerable moves some of which counter others, super moves, earning some bonuses from how you play that give you other

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun: Interesting. That sounds like it was real fun. I haven't had anything like that lately either. However, it goes back to what I said earlier on the list. It all depends on the people you know and hang with. Some people really love board games, others are into video games, and some don't

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark: Exactly. Although, Wii Sports is arguable. I have played Wii Sports with little difficulty so that game at least is arguably more accessible than most games, but I take your point about most pick up and play games are non-staarters if you are blind. On 12/10/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. >

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Rivard
ers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark > Sent: 10 December 2013 13:32 > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions > reguarding the Monopoly game > > Hi Tom. > > that is unfortunately tru

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread Darren Harris
uld be the game itself not the interface. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 10 December 2013 13:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game H

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-10 Thread dark
Hi Tom. that is unfortunately true, though one interesting fact in beatemup terms is that for everyone the casual beatemup is sort of a thing of the past. After all when I was growing up it was quite possible to walk into an arcade or a friends house and pick up something like mortal combat, s

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-09 Thread shaun everiss
Well speaking of memmories tom, I was on holiday about 4 years back with several friends. At nights we would have monopoly tourniments lasting the entire holiday. Games would go from 6 till midnight and beyond. One day we got oup late due to one of such games having meals at weird times only t

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Well, you are absolutely right it all depends on the group in question and the game at hand. I have never had the fortune of meeting anyone in my area would sit down with me and play a game of Jim Kitchen's Life or Monopoly, but I have been able to find some people who will sit down and p

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-09 Thread shaun everiss
Well mar-dy have not been forthcoming with codes as of late but on a more serious issue, though the game does run on my win7 machine in admin mode I do get errors with html modules and game does not run right. I wish I knew before I spent the cash on it. At 03:47 AM 12/5/2013, you wrote: One c

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Charles Rivard
. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questionsreguarding the Monopoly gam

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread dark
Hi tom. while I agree that card and board games do have value as games to play with others, at the same time computer games can have a similar feeling provided you have a group of like minded individuals together and provided the game is one that several people can have fun with rather than sa

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles: I had a similar experience growing up. For many years my mom, some family friends, and I would have game nights every Friday or Saturday night where we would play one card or board game well into the night. Especially during the winter when it was too cold to do anything outside. We pl

[Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-04 Thread Charles Rivard
One computer game that has been referred to as "sort of like Monopoly on steroids" is Mississippi. Tom: You are absolutely right about the importance of board games when it comes to human interaction. We used to do a lot of summer vacationing on the Colorado river. Pinochle cards, a tactual

Re: [Audyssey] monopoly tokens

2013-05-31 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Curt, One time I was on the phone and a friend used a rather long wav file for his token. It worked just fine. Each turn took forever, but it worked. So as far as I know there is no size limit for the token sound files. They do need to be standard wav files though. You know, no mp3, og

[Audyssey] monopoly tokens

2013-05-30 Thread Curt Taubert
Hi I did a monopoly token. Can it not be over a certain linkth? I tried it and when it played it only played once and, the game freezes. -- Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail t

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-12-27 Thread Phil Vlasak
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi, I have put a new file up on my site. File name; winpolyx.exe File size; 1.2m bytes. In version 10 of Monopoly you choose a sound for your token. And the game now creates a monopolylog.txt file. The winpolyx.exe file can be f

[Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-12-27 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Phil, Just wanted to thank you for so many of the Monopoly token sound files. BTW You can add and share if you wish more token sound files. Just name the files monopolytoken*.wav. Such as monopolytokenHorse.wav Thanks again. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 perce

[Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-12-27 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi, I have put a new file up on my site. File name; winpolyx.exe File size; 1.2m bytes. In version 10 of Monopoly you choose a sound for your token. And the game now creates a monopolylog.txt file. The winpolyx.exe file can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. Have f

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-05 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for the information. I really never looked into it, but was wondering. Thanks. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, No, it wouldn't. Older versions of Jaws worked differently than current versions of Jaws. As of Jaws 8.0, I believe it was, Freedom Scientif

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-04 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Phil, I can only use standard wav files. That is all that DirectX 8.1 can play. With a 0.175 time limit we are not going to get much of a train, dog, car or whatever sound are we? Thanks BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, That Monopoly game was released in 1996, and sound modifying

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-04 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Rishi, Thank you very much. I will keep your offer in mind. BFN - Original Message - Also jim, If you want, I can help with all the sounds as well for your games free of charge since your games are free of charge for the blind. Rishi D Mack Skype: zmackrishi Email: cg...@live.com F

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-04 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, That is very cool that Quentin has written a rapper to the screen readers and sapi5. What I was actually wondering was, if I use that rapper, or write my own code, would it work with all versions of Jaws, all versions of Window Eyes, all versions of Hal etc. Really just wondering

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-03 Thread rishi mack
...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Hi Jim, That Monopoly game was released in 1996, and sound modifying was not what it is today with pitch shifting and compression of sounds. I would be

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-03 Thread Phil Vlasak
Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: "Phil Vlasak" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Hi Phil, Cool, I'm glad to hear that you now have my monopoly game working correctly. Thanks for letting me know. I will think abou

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-03 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Phil, Cool, I'm glad to hear that you now have my monopoly game working correctly. Thanks for letting me know. I will think about it, but I remember that when your monopoly game had a sound for each of the tokens it took a long time for some of the tokens to move. That is why I just went

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-03 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Rishi, No, sorry, but my text to speech games all only use the sapi5 text to speech engine. When I started writing the games I had no idea how to write directly to Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal or NVDA. So I just went with the sapi5 speech engine to make the games self voicing. Well actually NV

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-03 Thread rishi mack
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Well sapi is fine but it can be general crap if you don't have a highquality voice. Ofcause that may not be in your budjet to get one. The only reason I have a high quality realspeak is that a friend gave me his jaws8 8 cd he didn't want. El

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread shaun everiss
D Mack Skype: zmackrishi Email: cg...@live.com Feel free to contact me anytime :) -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 H

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread Phil Vlasak
om: "rishi mack" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 I don't mean to be rude or bash sapi. but I don't like it that much. so that's why I ask if it can be worked

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread rishi mack
lto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Hello Rishi, All of Jim's games output spoken feedback using Microsoft Sapi so you don't need Jaws or any other scree

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, The only thing I can come up with to account for this behavior would be Microsoft User Account Control. Beginning with Vista onwards Microsoft has changed the security restrictions on certain directories such as C:\Program Files and while the option to explore directories still exists it m

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hello Rishi, All of Jim's games output spoken feedback using Microsoft Sapi so you don't need Jaws or any other screen reader to play. Cheers! On 12/2/12, rishi mack wrote: > Hi, can this also work with jaws? if so what do I need. > > Rishi D Mack > Skype: zmackrishi > Email: cg...@live.com >

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread rishi mack
: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Hi Jim, I just played your Monopoly game for the first time in a long time. I remember you saying that you had to remove the list of boards from the game but I thought you planned to add that feature in a future version. As your board

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-02 Thread Phil Vlasak
inal Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Hi, I have put a new file up on my site. File name winpoly9.exe File size 705k The file can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. In

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-12-01 Thread Jim Kitchen
en" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9 Hi, I have put a new file up on my site. File name winpoly9.exe File size 705k The file can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. In Monopoly version 9 the board files now c

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9

2012-11-30 Thread Phil Vlasak
tself? I planned to update the New York City board adding the National September 11 Memorial & Museum and the new One World Trade Center building. Phil - Original Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Monopoly

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Gauler
;dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Tom. that's bad news in my book. I'm afraid I strongly disagree on your statement of a blind user "getting used to the way sighted users do things for pu

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Gauler
Ok and how about MAC OS? Now you told us how you think about Windows and Linux. But where is MAC OS placed in this "picture"? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscript

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Gauler
I have another question. If TTS is good for us and other business people who want to get something read to them, why can't I buy loquendo voices in an online store (regardless of the price), or several other voices like the Scansoft products? OK, nextup.com offers Scansoft voices for TextAloud a

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Gauler
This might be the case, but why should be the new interface be better than the old one? I have seen a lot of XP computers where sighted people were working at a time before Windows 7 and not everyone of said sighted persons found the new start menu of XP better than the old one. I also heard sev

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread dark
Hi Denis. that makes distinct economic sense, however remember when we're dealing with disability we've gone beyond the realms of economics. As Tom said earlier, thanks to Us law, access has to be a component in governmental systems. So long as you have a belief that there is a principle tha

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Dennis Towne
Dark, While "equal effort" access might be a laudable ideal goal, don't forget that all companies are subject to economies of scale, and that blind users are a very small percentage. It's going to cost less per user to focus on the 99% non-blind users than the 1% blind, and there's pretty much no

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread dark
Hi Tom. that's bad news in my book. I'm afraid I strongly disagree on your statement of a blind user "getting used to the way sighted users do things for purpose of accessibility" simply on the basis of the deffinition of access. It would be possible for a paraplegic to get out of his/her whe

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Lol! Sorry, so far no dice. The copy of the consumer beta of Windows 8 I have here does not let you customize the interface too much. Right now what you see is what you get. Its kind of funny but if you listen to the GW Micro podcast of Windows 8 and Window-Eyes someone in the audi

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Grin. I think you hit the nail on the head so to speak. Your friend and I are quite a lot alike because that's actually one of the reasons why I became interested in programming. I get a satisfaction from being given a task, and then trying to create that piece of software from scrat

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread dark
Hi Tom. Interesting about section 5.08. As I've said before disabled access is always something I think the us government, along with other countries like Scandinavia and the netherlands does far better than the Uk, sinse I've found nothing about software access in any of the British acts

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree tom. On that note and before this topic gets old as it will do sooner or later, and going completely off topic for a second, I have a rather largeish concern with the metro system. gwmicro was doing a podcast on windoweyes on win8 and it looked like one of the most unwieldy interfaces

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, Well, one of the major reasons why Windows comes with Narrator, Mac OS with Voiceover, and Linux with Orca has to do with Section 508. In 2001 the U.S. American Disabilities Act, ADA, was amended so that all software purchased by or used by the U.S. government had to meet certain

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Gauler
Hi Thomas, I have a question. I also read a test report for the latest version of Windows 8. It was made by a sighted user and he called the new desktop and start menu "Metro". Windows 8 apparently has two versions of Internet Explorer and Metro has its own app store like Apple has. But I also r

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Well, I agree that something like UI Automation is way over do, but it doesn't do any good to spend time on should've, could've, or would'ive because the fact of the matter is the technology is here now and we should be glad its coming. Plus you must remember that these are differe

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-15 Thread Ben
mers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly > > Hi Dark, > > Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi > voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are > good things

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
ot; To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are good things However, the

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
Hi michael. firstly some stats and corrections. for your information while Usa games, gma, bsc, draconis, blind adrenalin and 7-128 are located in the usa, blastbay is based in sweedan, as was the old terraformers project, Vip gameszone is based in israil, audiogames.net is run from the nethe

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are good things However, the new user interface is so radically different from XP, Vista, Windows 7, etc that a lot of blind Windows users, especia

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
Hi Tom. this makes perfect sense, and indeed is also the reason why I have never investigated mac or lynux in further detail, simply because, while I know there are probably technical advantages to either os, those advantages don't matter a bit to me if they won't help me do what I do, part of

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Michael Gauler
Ok, let's think about this the other way around: Then if it is not in the companies interest to make DVD players or other devices accessible due to financial reasons, why does Windows have Narrator and Mac got VoiceOver included into the operating systems? If it is (theoretically) not a good ide

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, Its really quite simple. Attempting to support more than one platform or technology requires lots of time, money, and isn't easy to do. Even though languages and technologies such as Java and Python have been developed to help aid in cross-platform development there is no one size

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread shaun everiss
I think there will always be a space for a desk computer, or at least a computer on a desk, or a portable laptop type of system with full keyboard of some description. Maybe the desktop will be on the wall and most of our stuff will be touch or voice like startrek but even in startrek they had d

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread shaun everiss
well it looks at least from the gwmicro win8 podcast that ms is intigrating all this internally for screen readers which in my view should have done already!! Msaa was ok but it only did ms spaciffic controls as far as I understand it. Sapi was speech, intercepters were needed so the readers cou

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Smile. Well, that's true enough. We do come at this entire issue from different perspectives,and makes sense when we look at the reasons why or how we use our computers. You tend to look at this situation strictly as a consumer, an end user, who only cares about playing his movies,

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, Yes, to develop games and apps for iOS devices you need a Mac with XCode and the iOS SDK. That's why its so hard to develop for iOS because its closed to non-Apple users and developers. As far as the PS 3 its actually built using a modified Linux distribution. Thit uses a Linux kernel

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Michael Gauler
Hi Dark, I am not familiar with MAC OS or IOS. But what I last heard was that you need to run MAC OS to compile IOS apps. I am not sure if that's still the case, but that was what I last heard. And the question about operating system access is not only about blind users. Somewhere I once read th

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
ther less than generous decisions), but I'm not sure on that one. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Michael Gauler" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly If the desktop computer

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Michael Gauler
If the desktop computer is not the all in one package, why do I hear people saying that the IPhone or other mobile devices are the all in one package, when it is obviously not true? And, if consoles like the play station 3 are running their own operating system with internet access and such, the

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Michael Gauler
What I never got was the reason why screen readers had to use all the stuff like video intercept and got so little result in using it. If I can clone my graphics card virtually and the screen reader is controlling the clone, then why does a screen reader need external OCR to handle letters? More

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
Hi tom. That makes sense, and if the choice was vista vs 7 i'd probably agree, however for me it's the compatibility issue that is the thing. For instance, While I've tried both windows live mail, microsoft outlook and thunderbird, nothing I thought was as good as outlook express. yes, they

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Sure. Again, it comes down to personal preference. Sometimes the benefits to upgrading aren't always that obvious or seem all that important at the time. For example, when Windows 7 came out I really wondered myself if I should invest in the upgrade. After all, I had a Compaq that

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Alright, but here is where your argument actually falls apart. If you want to talk about access on Windows 8 I can say access has actually impr

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread dark
her than a laptop. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrad

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Alright, but here is where your argument actually falls apart. If you want to talk about access on Windows 8 I can say access has actually improved. There are a number of areas where access has actually increased and not decreased in Windows, and is well worth noting. First, UI aut

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, Simple. by adopting a universal interface, universal look and feel, a developer will reduce complexity and the time it takes to learn the software. The Basic principle behind the new user interfaces is that if a customer learns an interface and a developer of a different product

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, Actually, we are very close to the full voice input and voice output type system you are talking about. For the last few Windows versions Microsoft has included speech recognition software as well as the Narrator screen reader. From what I've seen of the Windows 8 versions Narrat

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Hard to say, but the audio games industry will probably have to change just like everything else. I can't say when, but the way hand-held devices like the iPhones and Droid phones are selling we could do well, as audio gamers, to think about targeting those devices as more and more

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, That's correct. Windows 8 now uses UI Automation which has drastically improved accessibility and has pretty much done away with the video intercept drivers we've seen on prior versions of Windows. So access is actually improving under Windows 8 not getting less accessible. Cheers

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dennis, right. I think what is hard for people who are not in business, who are not programmers, etc to understand is that older products like XP are no longer making Microsoft money. They released it in 2001 and was selling it up until 2010 or so. After a certain point they sold as many c

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Trouble, Well, I've already seen some touchscreen displays. They are not available for your average e-machine PCs, but if you look at some of the higher end stuff $800 to $1,000 or better you'll see things like touchscreen displays which is the next generation input device. Some of the lo

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Jacob Kruger
t not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrading if it doesn

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrading if it doesn't offer anything new for you personally. However, I am someone who likes to be on the bleeding edge, try new things, and I've always enjoyed staying up to date when and where possible. So that's largely where

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread dark
est coorporation which is paying most of it's manual workers in china and tyland a pittance. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Dennis Towne" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mono

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Trouble
That is coming, but for now they want to suck all the money out of the public they can. At 07:55 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote: All of this might be true... But I have several questions. If mobile devices and new technologies are created and let's say touchscreens are so great, why not take it up an

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Trouble
The more its alike the less sighted mousers have to learn. Learn one system and you know them all. At 07:59 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote: And wwhere are the still existing computer or netbook and laptop users whoose hardware doesn't have touchscreen capabilities? Do they think at all? Surely, andro

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Trouble
lot of us will be left in the cold if the big companies get their way. Or should I say when they get their way. Amanda -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Yep, once again why can't

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Gauler
And wwhere are the still existing computer or netbook and laptop users whoose hardware doesn't have touchscreen capabilities? Do they think at all? Surely, android might look nice, but what is more important, the look or the functionality? And who exactly thinks that the visual design of Androi

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Gauler
All of this might be true... But I have several questions. If mobile devices and new technologies are created and let's say touchscreens are so great, why not take it up another level and finally create a computer system like the fictional LCARS from Star Trek, where you have instant access to

Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly

2012-03-13 Thread shaun everiss
Well tom I aggree with you, except for one ms has shown they don't or won't want to put accessability in a phone. If what you say is true, then in a few years or so we will all run android os on our pcs and I look foreward to that day!! Windows touch will not be as accessable as other tablet oses

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