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, and the rest of the open source community stating our shared
position on the subject. Like Havoc Pennington writes
(http://ometer.com/desktop-language.html), the Community Should Decide
and It's time to start the discussion.
WDYT?
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obviously on top of things. And
thanks for letting us know you're on top of things :D
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@@GUMP_HOME@@/work/.jbs as the base directory if possible.
Another option will be to make .jbs a required installed package (just
like we're doing with tools like forrest atm. But I think that one is
inferior because it doesn't quite mirror how the jicarilla build
actually is used.
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Hi peeps,
I am on the avalon PMC. I was a bit scared of the idea of being a PMC
member at first, thinking about all the additional responsibility and
all the additional things I would need to do.
Guess what? No need for that at all! The additional responsibility
being on a PMC entails wasn't
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
So, unless this:
The PMC is responsible for the strategic direction and success of the Jakarta
Project. This governing body is expected to ensure the project's welfare and
guide its overall direction.
Changes to identify that individual PMC members might have oversight
Robert Simmons wrote:
Welcome to real life business. In the real world, not everything goes your
way. You get to choose between a mass of political bullshit and having no
choice at all.
you have a choice: open source software. And it's a good choice for real
life business, too.
cheers :D
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(we are all devs
here, right?)
Thoughts?
I like!
I also agree it'd be cool if avalon, ant, xerces, cocoon etc team (all
the ASF java peeps) to be able to access the thing, too.
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On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 00:50, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Attached is a rehashed logo for Jakarta to mimic more the one on the
main Apache page, and explicitly state that Jakarta is an Apache project.
What do you think, should we use this instead?
yes, though the trailing slash should be in
PHP 5 and MySQL 4 will make java, .Net, and all similar technologies
obsolete.
Said one manager to another manager on a golf court, after having
spent the weekend with his 12 year old son who built the school
website.
It took me a week ton convince the another manager that it might
not be a
I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the
StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX.
Hey, that looks like maven! :P
It is a pretty cool webapp
that has really transformed things for us and made my life
MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the events
that show up on the
you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged
to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta
community.
best regards,
- Leo Simons
PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this
message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am undergoing a
sex
On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 15:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
part of their website docs for example ?
yes!
It's funny to see jakarta as an academy though.
You think
Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
Mvgr,
Martin
Anakia
I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia
and just using PHP.
PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code
comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere.
Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =)
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that's the idea.
can someone get me karma to site2?
thanks!
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 13:20, Ted Husted wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
If y'all could comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere.
Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =)
How about tieing
just like the BSD tcp/ip code in windows. MS is very good at taking the
best bits of free software and running away with it. They should do it
more often.
Struth! It gets better!
What next? IIS - Help - About (c) 1998 ASF That'd be the day
yeah. It'd solve a lot of security problems
Just wondering if posting Tomcat-specific job offers on the list is
acceptable, or if there is another place I could post that too (the
rationale would be to be able to hire someone with extensive Tomcat
knowledge, and even better someone already involved with the community).
Since there's
Case can be made that since putting something in CVS is putting
something up for lazy majority vote (and I subscribe to that), this is
not a good 'use case'. But what is wrong with a role for people that
have the option to propose something for a lazy majority vote, and then
no
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 14:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Yeah, exactly. And what if there is someone who actually wants less
responsibility and less rights than a committer, but still more than a
contributor?
-1
why?
Does the term white elephant mean anything to you?
thought that
Since this is a volunteer organization, and we all have other pressing
responsibilities, it is important that we do not encourage any systemic
bottlenecks.
I wrote:
user: no rights, no responsibilities
developer: right to get quoted as author for authored pieces, no
responsibility
+ some mailing list management software + some product release software) it
would be very beneficial to push the administration down onto project leads
So we'll also have 'project leads' ?
And some people who write and maintain code, but have different rights ?
we have, in practice,
Just one question, have you ever voted -1 on a committer? (and not just to
you, but to every committer on this list).
I've abstained, informally (off-list, that is) from voting, once. The
guy in question had been active in a part of our project but I hadn't
been following on that at all, so I
i'd like to volunteer a sizeable chunk of my time to apache
i've 3 years java, xml, etc most of which was spent benefitting from
apache code without the time to contribute (or was it willingness?)
i'd like to improve my technical writing (partly as an employment move)
so I thought
Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
-1
or only for companies that
support Apache projects
+1
( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
-1
I think it should just be a these are some companies providing
commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than
+1 to all of that.
- Leo
Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies -- lets innovate
it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who
support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a
rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:44, Alex McLintock wrote:
At 14:06 13/05/2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists,
that is NOT what they are there for.
Don't get hung up on adverts. We need somewhere to discuss commercial
issues -
This makes me think of all the projects on SourceForge that shoot up
high into the project ratings, with a high activity percentile, just
because they turn the news function into a message board.
If I were to move code from src/java to src/foo, that's quite a few
commits.
You written your 1000
There used to be, at least, back when I was 17...
grz,
- Leo
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 13:05, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:
Is it not ok to post strong language on this list? Are there kids around?
Un saludo,
Alex Fernández.
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The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment
so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if
people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be.
well, if you insist, +1 then ;)
As long as there's room for
You know how many views /. gets? Microsoft.com?
This is getting _really_ silly.
LOL
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 20:00, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity.
project just switched
Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches
are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs
external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs generating one
etc.
I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper
If the two work
together its virtually irrelevant to me WHERE. I just want the to.
Personally I'd like to see the combined Centaven moved to a
jakarta.org/centaven level. If this effort is truely undertaken, POI
will upgrade to a combined centaven. (I don't care what its named its
There are things I like about Centipede, too, e.g. the cents, and I think
there could be a lot of synergy between maven and centipede, e.g. the skins
side of things is something I'd like to see with maven, but looking @ POI's
site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :)
Andrew,
We had a nice discussion 'bout this on avalon-dev a while back. You can
read the thread at
http://www.mail-archive.com/avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg07495.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg07589.html
This was about nondescriptive naming of packages inside a
virus scanners (or switch to a decent OS) if you haven't
already.
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So, I'm kind of curious what the general consensus is regarding this. Seems to be
in various directions.
I think JDBC should be a lot better; it should incorporate all the
features of CrossDB (though maybe a little different), and some more.
Then there should be higher-level tools like
I never said they were the same. I said that crossdb is a few generations
behind Torque in design and thinking.
In the sense that Torque is an object-relational tool and crossdb is not,
Torque has a newer design. That does not mean relational tools do not have
a place in Java anymore.
You
Torque doesn't have a 'newer design'. It has a more mature design. Torque
has been around for about 3-4 years now.
SQL's been around for 20. APIs to create SQL statements have been
around for about as long.
Which has advantages over O/R, which is the reason not everyone uses O/R
for
Torque has been separated for about a year now.
We haven't found a reason to make it a top level project yet.
I really don't understand why the location of a set of code matters.
The one reason I can think of is exposure.
Which could be seen as a good one.
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As long as we agree that nothing should get into the way of
site functionality (and we do), why would you oppose a site that
also is easy to navigate and looks good?
The only thing I oppose is the idea something being set in stone or
approved by some mythical designer
There is no paid staff, and AFAIK, no designers who are also
committers.
The maven layout looks like it has been designed by a designer.
except that the website is not only for geeks. It's also for people
that make decisions and have money.
Says who?
Me. I wan't to use jakarta stuff
It would also be very nice if this were rolled into Maven :)
cheers,
- Leo
Well, at this point Adam, we don't so much has have a written guideline
for creating a Jakarta release, so adding versioning to a non-existent
guidelines poses something of a challenge :O)
Please please please
- color variations (and all other lf changes) should be
part of the original look-and-feel design. Giving
programmers free reign to do this spells disaster.
It would be best to have the original designer of a
look and feel work this out. Very strictly.
:(
Seriously, I
and to think I haven't even downloaded it yet! :D
*gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has
begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a
free seminar by accident*
Leo Simons wrote:
It would also be very nice if this were rolled
decisions and have money.
Leo Simons wrote:
anyone feel like throwing stones at me yet? :)
Ted:
Only to remind you that the programmers/developers are the
decision-makers here. So if you want them to buy into something, you
need to coddle them the same way you would your boss or any other
the module or
velocity, so there might be 'some' mistakes :) Wasn't quite able
to figure out how to do testing. Someone wanna lend a hand?
cheers,
- Leo, short on time(tm)
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thoughts? Is this wanted?
Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands
IMHO, just a couple of points though.
I like the Apache.org Jakarta Avalon Framework: depth indication -
would be great to see this applied across the board.
I can't decide which way
of a bit of the code. That, and
adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions?
Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired...
thoughts? Is this wanted?
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it as is?
- drop it altogether?
- replace it with something altogether different?
it should, -- after consent by others here -- be merged with the
current overview on the front page. That's imho, of course.
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I'll break my no-me-too-posts rule for this occasion:
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Did I miss anyone? Great job, guys.
Definately. Thanks.
- Leo
guess I can deinstall the .net development kit again...for now =)
(and in the line of 'met too's -- I
-documentation-per-
api-method at msdn.microsoft.com, then look at us.
- many people monitor the site and its changes.
The points above lead me to believe the current (lack of
rigid) system is the right one. And I do think we all agree
that the jakarta site should be as objective as possible.
regards,
- Leo
them for those features. It is like the big switch
from JDK 1.1
to JDK 1.2. :-)
IMHO, Netscape sucks on the UI part. IE doesn't run on *nix...
Anyway, I'll just shut up and do it...I have no time really but I'll try
and finish somewhere next week. You guys okay with that?
grz,
- Leo Simons
, because they have a possibly very wide scope.
I don't think we should even attempt to do so for projects
still in alpha (ie phoenix).
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'kay. Summary:
(everyone, please correct and add to?)
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Here's a list of similar efforts that I know of...
(requirments:
1) some kind of application platform
2) 100% java
3) open source)
JBoss
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goal:provide open source J2EE server.
between total-control-of-direction-from-above
and total-chaos-where-the-only-authority-is-cvs to be.
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- includes a webserver (Apache -
http://httpd.apache.org)
Besides that, it needs to be scalable, stable,
portable, secure, etc.
But what architecture does that lead to?
takers?
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