Holy war time:
IoC TLP's
public class Log4J implements JakartaAware, LoggingAware
{
...
}
public class Log4J
{
public void setJakarta(Jakarta jakarta) { ... }
public void setLogging(Logging logging) { ... }
}
public class Log4J
{
public Log4J(Jakarta jakarta,
On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache board members.
The board delegates certain responsibilities over to the PMCs of the
individual projects while still maintaining the authority and
management
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:36:20 -0500
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
One example might be a lawyer working closely w/ a community (for
whatever reason) - that lawyer might be providing tremendous input and
participation, but has no need/use for committership. That person
could still be a member
Log4j is not leaving. It is simply moving to a new room in the house,
a room with a different label but still located within the same house.
As any house, this house offers protection and comfort to its
inhabitants. It is a place where developers can unleash their creative
powers onto the world.
On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:24 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Log4j is not leaving. It is simply moving to a new room in the house,
a room with a different label but still located within the same house.
As any house, this house offers protection and comfort to its
inhabitants. It is a place where developers
At 08:31 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
public_pestering type=obligatory
Can we have TRACE as a supported level?
/public_pestering
Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of user,
there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on this topic
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'd say it the other way around. The ASF is a collection of
communities that create and maintain codebases. To obtain
infrastructure support and some legal protection, these communities
donate the copyright of its software and ownership of its brand to the
Foundation.
At 08:42 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of
user, there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on this
topic before log4j 1.3 is released. However, there
El sábado, 20 dici, 2003, a las 14:00 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson Jr.
escribió:
On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
(...)
A very subtle concept is that the ASF doesn't actually own the
codebase. The codebase belongs to its community, and under the Apache
License, that community
Santiago Gala wrote:
[SNIP]
This implies that those having easier ability or will to maintain the
product are the effective owners of it. as in a rapidly changing
environment, software rot takes care of static code bases.
Exactly. There is a saying from Dune:
Whoever has the power to destroy
Unfortunately, you can't buy nor open source humor.
Perhaps you could delegate it?
I've often considered selling my children on the internet, they have a great sense of
humour.
OTOH perhaps it wouldn't stretch *that* far!
d.
disclaimer that was a JOKE, my wife would go seriously ballistic if
Danny Angus wrote:
disclaimer that was a JOKE, my wife would go seriously
ballistic if I sold our kids /disclaimer
Really? I'd pay to see that! ;-)
Can we start a pool to see who comes closest to the apogee?
--- Noel
On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Santiago Gala wrote:
El sábado, 20 dici, 2003, a las 14:00 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson
Jr. escribió:
On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
(...)
A very subtle concept is that the ASF doesn't actually own the
codebase. The codebase belongs to its
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no?
Henri Yandell wrote:
Because it's wrong.
XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all
Java Development and not in Jakarta.
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines
Michael Davey wrote:
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development.
A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise
disparate and commodity range of goods and services.
Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than Jakarta.
I believe
On Dec 19, 2003, at 8:01 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
Michael Davey wrote:
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand
development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an
otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services.
Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a
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Quoting Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta
and how it got to where
Ted Husted wrote:
Michael Davey wrote:
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand
development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an
otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services.
Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than
Thanks Craig, this is elaborate, informative and puts the issue in my perspective. May be this
should be put on the website too somewhere.
Here are my inferences so far...
inferences
ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache board members. The board delegates certain
Quoting Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thanks Craig, this is elaborate, informative and puts the issue in my
perspective. May be this
should be put on the website too somewhere.
Here are my inferences so far...
inferences
ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Radical view: allow the subprojects to send 1-2 delegates to the PMC and
require each subproject to send one or die. This would size the PMC, assure
that heart attack in the crowd syndrome doesn't take place and make the
discussion more manageable. Have the sub projects
Ted Husted wrote:
Michael Davey wrote:
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand
development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an
otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services.
Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than
:-)
Costin
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From: Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?
Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation
How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no?
-Harish
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Costin Manolache wrote:
IMO it would be sad if projects like struts or tapestry leave jakarta -
since they are closely related to web development and server side java
(
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:24:00 -0500
(Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?)
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no?
-Harish
+1. Agreed.
Why don't Jakarta adopt EU-like governance style?
(Board = Secretariat
Because it's wrong.
XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all
Java Development and not in Jakarta.
If we go with this approach, we end up with the continuation of: should
digester be in jakarta or xml etc. Does XML take precedence over the fact
it's in Java, or
That's true, so back to Jakarta = Server side web development! But is it restricted only to Java
web development or just plain web development?
-Harish
Henri Yandell wrote:
Because it's wrong.
XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all
Java Development and not in
Not really (my POV)
As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy
ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject.
But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or
WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe
Bloggs works'. There simply is no one
I like the idea but does this mean we will be dumping the Jakarta banner? Or will it serve as an
incubator for TLPs? The Jakarta banner has earned quite a reputation and would be a shame to dump it.
-Harish
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
Not really (my POV)
As people we naturally think in terms of
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
Not really (my POV)
As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy
ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject.
But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or
WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe
Bloggs works'.
Henri Yandell wrote:
XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon,
James are all Java Development and not in Jakarta.
If we go with this approach, we end up with the continuation of: should
digester be in jakarta or xml etc. Does XML take precedence over the
fact it's in Java,
Costin Manolache wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There
is absolutely nothing that says that we cannot have:
[list of PMCs]
All without a single change to the Jakarta domain.
No one
Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta and how it got to where
it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have?
-Harish
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Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta
and how it got to where
it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have?
-Harish
Quoting Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta
and how it got to where
it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have?
-Harish
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