Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-22 Thread George Prowse
The Reg has a story on this from a blog post by Red Hat. It may be worth a read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/18/windows_8_linux_secure_boot/

Re: [gentoo-dev] A friendly reminder: Ciaran McCreesh is not a Gentoo dev

2012-06-22 Thread George Prowse
On 22/06/2012 07:40, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:01:15 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Just a short note as it seems some confusion arises lately: Ciaran McCreesh is not a Gentoo dev and his words don't represent the position of Gentoo development team. Right.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using Jabber for developer communication

2011-04-10 Thread George Prowse
On 10/04/2011 12:00, Dmitry Dzhus wrote: When will Gentoo switch over to glorious and progressive Jabber from outdated and obsolete IRC? Gentoo will always look towards the future for ways to communicate. Instead of using a currently popular format such as Jabber we are trying to predict the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Quantity of open bugs

2011-03-11 Thread George Prowse
On 10/03/2011 20:25, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Hi all, I was nosing through bugzilla, and noticed: * Number of open bugs is greater than 14,000 * Number of open bugs untouched for more than 2 years - well over 2000. * Number of open bugs untouched between 1 and 2 years - well over 2000. * Number

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Git commit mails/CIA.vc notifications

2011-02-04 Thread George Prowse
On 04/02/2011 22:41, Duncan wrote: Jeroen Roovers posted on Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:08:24 +0100 as excerpted: On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:26:16 +0100 Christian Ruppertid...@gentoo.org wrote: Hey guys, Only half of people? :) That's just /begging/ a reply. No. It wasn't. Please stop filling up

Re: [gentoo-dev] [warning] the bug queue has 118 bugs

2010-12-28 Thread George Prowse
On 28/12/2010 21:11, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org mailto:j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:31:28 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com mailto:reave...@gmail.com wrote: Well, before I became developer, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

2010-06-16 Thread George Prowse
On 05/06/2010 01:00, Torsten Veller wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. ... I'd like to nominate Amne, dsd and Antarus G

Re: [gentoo-dev] About libpng-1.4 handling

2010-05-11 Thread George Prowse
On 11/05/2010 04:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 10 May 2010 23:10:48 Markos Chandras wrote: provide a user friendly way to migrate to the new libpng without the need to spend so many hours digging around on which packages to rebuild. if you're digging around then clearly you havent done

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-13 Thread George Prowse
On 10/04/2010 19:04, Vincent Launchbury wrote: On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote: Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it. Just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread George Prowse
On 12/04/2010 12:32, Ben de Groot wrote: On 12 April 2010 12:28, Roy Bamfordneddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: Last time I looked, his about page complies with our trade mark requirements. But ONLY his about page. Our name and logo guidelines state this needs to happen on each page: the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread George Prowse
On 12/04/2010 14:17, Arun Raghavan wrote: On 12 April 2010 18:43, George Prowsegeorge.pro...@gmail.com wrote: [...] If you are arguing that the name is ambiguous then I think you are wrong. Gentoo knows about the unofficial wiki and knows it's mission is to help Gentoo and not to hinder it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread George Prowse
On 12/04/2010 14:22, Arun Raghavan wrote: On 12 April 2010 18:49, George Prowsegeorge.pro...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/04/2010 14:17, Arun Raghavan wrote: On 12 April 2010 18:43, George Prowsegeorge.pro...@gmail.comwrote: [...] If you are arguing that the name is ambiguous then I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-10 Thread George Prowse
On 10/04/2010 05:10, William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowsegeorge.pro...@gmail.com wrote: Does mediawiki have captcha ability? Yes, there are a number of solutions for that. I realize I am very late on this

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-10 Thread George Prowse
On 10/04/2010 16:25, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbswilli...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: On 3 April 2010 20:56, George

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread George Prowse
On 09/04/2010 13:38, Ben de Groot wrote: On 9 April 2010 13:26, Guy Fontaineguy.fonta...@videotron.qc.ca wrote: There are things I know about Gentoo Linux and I'm pleased to share my knowledge with others as well as I'm glad to learn from others. I'm not a Gentoo dev and I neither have plan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread George Prowse
On 09/04/2010 18:24, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 06:02:40PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: On 09/04/2010 13:38, Ben de Groot wrote: On 9 April 2010 13:26, Guy Fontaineguy.fonta...@videotron.qc.ca wrote: There are things I know about Gentoo Linux and I'm pleased

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread George Prowse
On 05/04/2010 17:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Is Gentoo dying?

2010-04-04 Thread George Prowse
If you want to gauge the feeling in the community there are a couple of threads in the forums. Currently this answer seems to be typical of the general consensus when asked what they could do to help Gentoo/become a developer: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6230439.html#6230439

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread George Prowse
On 04/04/2010 20:33, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200 Ben de Grootyng...@gentoo.org wrote: ... ... GuideXML is only easy if you are used to xml or html. Wikimarkup is only easy if you are used to it as well. The difference is that with mediawiki all you have to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread George Prowse
On 03/04/2010 14:40, Ben de Groot wrote: On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freemanri...@gentoo.org wrote: I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Right now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo dev and to help somebody become a Gentoo dev.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread George Prowse
On 03/04/2010 15:05, Petteri Räty wrote: On 04/03/2010 04:53 PM, George Prowse wrote: Armed with a list of where developers are spread too thinly, a willingness to answer questions (no matter how stupid you believe them to be) and some prior organisation then i see no reason why Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-03 Thread George Prowse
On 03/04/2010 18:40, AllenJB wrote: On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Grootyng...@gentoo.org wrote: 2 - maintainers === Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and moderators, people who look out for quality control

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-26 Thread George Prowse
On 26/03/2010 17:43, Dale wrote: It's not faith, its reality. There will be some people that don't subscribe to this list that will do what is above. This IS the reason I subscribed to this list. I wanted to know what the devs were doing under the hood that would lead me to screw up my system.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Marking bugs for bugday?

2010-03-01 Thread George Prowse
On 01/03/2010 22:19, Ben de Groot wrote: On 1 March 2010 22:17, Ioannis Aslanidisaslani...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Great ideas! The teams should send the list of bugs, with each bug filling a skeleton similar to the following: * Ticket number. * Title. * Clear, easy to understand,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2009.0 profiles

2009-09-11 Thread George Prowse
Mike Frysinger wrote: ... Why not tie the the thing that makes Gentoo unique and one of the major reasons why users use it to the version numbers - Portage. We had 1.2, then 1.4 then 2004.0 and if i'm not mistaken portage is at 2.1 currently. Tie it in and we have 2.2 (currently masked)

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009.0 profiles

2009-08-28 Thread George Prowse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 16:27:18 Sebastian Pipping wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: 10.0 is retarded How would you like the problem to be addressed? we already have a simple logical version system. 2009.0 is the next step.

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Wulf C. Krueger wrote: I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to elect gentoofan23, betelgeuse, dev-zero, peper, calchan and dertobi123 to the Gentoo Council. Why is Exherbo's interests anything to do with Gentoo's? Does this happen with Sabayon or SystemRescueCd

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Alistair Bush wrote: As our closest relative ( of any distro ) You mean apart from all the other Gentoo based distros?

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev- zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council meeting. If a doctor loses his right to practice medicine

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:46:27 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure getting personal about subjects on a Gentoo mailing list will endear yourself to everyone. Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Nope, I never mentioned anything personal

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-14 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009 20:06:51 +0200 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You need to know the EAPI to parse the ebuild to find the EAPI Obviously that's not true, because somehow we manage at the moment. And if one does a small restriction (which doesn't restrict

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-11 Thread George Prowse
Thilo Bangert wrote: to me, the above two contradictory viewpoints are the essence of the apparent and real decline in Gentoo activity. The two are just not compatible with each other and there is no clear guidance on to which of the two should be followed. in the one corner we have the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-11 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works. An equilibrium has been reached, agreed, but that it works is up for debate. There is a strong argument to be made

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-07 Thread George Prowse
Arttu V. wrote: On 5/7/09, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: There's no reason that can't be done via email, and throwing in some live commit feed action might make it a bit interesting. =:^) I'm sensing a sort of a patches welcome attitude from the crowd, i.e., not falling for a hard sell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:00 Thomas Anderson wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Arch teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs on the major archs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Sachau wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread George Prowse
Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things because i've got the distinct impression from others that Gentoo

[gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-04 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Sachau wrote: Mario Fetka schrieb: On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-04 Thread George Prowse
Mounir Lamouri wrote: George Prowse wrote: I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to join you will always be understaffed. Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

2008-08-11 Thread George Prowse
On 11 Aug 2008, at 14:19, Patrick Lauer wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-06-20 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400 Ivan Chernyavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've subscribed to this list because I thought this is the right way to start being involved in Gentoo development process --- I thought technical discussions are of most importance

Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-06-20 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:48:02 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400 | * have some insane paranoid conviction that Freenode staff are the | ones busy spying on everything they say, whilst

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2008/2009 Nominations end TODAY 23:59 UTC

2008-06-18 Thread George Prowse
Although he has been nominated already and thus declined I would still like amne to change his mind and run for council again. George -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-18 Thread George Prowse
++ It's about time someone said this and I honestly think that lots of developers will be thinking the same. In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda and force it on both the developers and the users so maybe it would be best for all if paludis and it's developers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread George Prowse
Luca Barbato wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Package manager maintainers refusing to do basic testing before claiming support for a new EAPI has very messy consequences. If package manager maintainers aren't going to do the responsible thing, the whole point of EAPIs is lost. Thats a circular

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:32:35 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the bickering is stopping development then maybe it should be given to a 3rd party to complete and have the last word. Considering third parties have at best contributed a few small patches, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/ There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane decided to go and vandalise it

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Anderson wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:11:51PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/ There's http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

2008-06-06 Thread George Prowse
Alex Howells wrote: In short: vote for me if you want less bullshit, less asshats and a more fun distribution. That is all. Damn! Astinus for PM! :) -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Council Idea

2008-06-06 Thread George Prowse
I have an strange idea, it will probably get shot down by everyone or people will point out that it has been discussed and thought it was a bad idea but anyway... ...why not invite a developer from another distribution to join the council? I think inviting co-operation from other areas would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

2008-06-06 Thread George Prowse
Ferris McCormick wrote: I also nominate: NeddySeagoon Regards, Ferris I completely agree. Few people have done more behind the scenes as Roy. I would also like to nominate zmendico for his excellent work with portage. George -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-05 Thread George Prowse
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 11:31 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Alex Howells wrote: 2008/6/3 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thirded Someone can clarify but don't you need to be a Foundation member to nominate or support nominations? Either way, all of the current

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-03 Thread George Prowse
Josh Saddler wrote: Denis Dupeyron wrote: Alright. Then I'll nominate all members of the current council. In alphabetical order: amne betelgeuse dberkholz flameeyes jokey lu_zero vapier Seconded. Thirded -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-03 Thread George Prowse
Alex Howells wrote: 2008/6/3 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thirded Someone can clarify but don't you need to be a Foundation member to nominate or support nominations? Either way, all of the current Council get my nomination, plus welp gets a second. Anyone can nominate but only members

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-03 Thread George Prowse
Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2008, George Prowse wrote: Someone can clarify but don't you need to be a Foundation member to nominate or support nominations? [...] Anyone can nominate but only members get a vote. GLEP 39 says something else: | * Council members will be chosen

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-02-02 Thread George Prowse
Richard Freeman wrote: George Prowse wrote: How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers okay it and then they get worked on or what? I think the good ideas matter more than who came up with them

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-01-29 Thread George Prowse
Grant Goodyear wrote: Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be a 2008 Google Summer of Code. I expect that if we want to participate, we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not earlier. So, does Gentoo want to participate this year? If so, who's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Seeking questions for a user survey

2008-01-18 Thread George Prowse
Steve Long wrote: Joe Peterson wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:56:36AM +, Steve Long wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: I agree, though year of birth might be interesting. Income and children are a bit too private. ++ in general although I do think parenthood (if responsible) is as relevant as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New lists and their usage

2007-07-23 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 21:26 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: zombieswift/new devs-project council/trustee nominations -project Then it's worth cross-posting -core or -dev-announce or similar. I thought that goal of -project was

[gentoo-dev] Re: have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-21 Thread George Prowse
George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... I would just like to apologise. The reason why so little (e.g. none) replies to a certain email were recieved was because list does not have reply to munging enabled

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Scharl wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Duncan wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:17:58 -0700: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. They should

[gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it was meant to have discussions between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Steve Long wrote: Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to go and annoy upstream. Associate an irc-channel with each package. Most packages have a herd associated

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users... ask them! Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. that is why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too? Not my point. My

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:19 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not see the question or not respond. Those that both see the question and take time to respond are highly atypical. If you were clever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Mike Doty wrote: [snip] get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate. I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project, are any devs actually going to comment on the discussion? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting -project started

2007-07-17 Thread George Prowse
Roy Marples wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 11:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: How about defining the purpose of all these list with which we'll soon end up before going ahead and requesting changes? -dev is just for technical development. -project is for non technical development of Gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Matthias Langer wrote: no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers. Gentoo's always been exclusively

Re: [gentoo-dev] So...

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Wernfried Haas wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:41:42PM +, Luis Medinas wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:06 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs Celcius...

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:14 +1000, Will Briggs wrote: Oh dear. slight delay in an email list forum? That's like saying you can take part in this face-to-face conversation but you have to wait 30 seconds before you can say anything In effect you reduce that person to

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 06:45 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote: That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the community at large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as our own personal toy (which we currently aren't), then so be it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Chrissy Fullam wrote: Could we try to keep this thread, and all the similarly named ones, on topic? The pointing fingers, trash talking, etc is not furthering anything. If you don't like councils opinion, or someone elses opinion, well respect them enough to allow them their own opinion. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: For Jakub (and the other procmail-impaired)

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Steve Long wrote: Perhaps you'd like to explain just how Mr Gianelloni's post was NOT a troll then? Or is every developer's procmail setting (particularly for such a stupid thread) a matter we should all be discussing? It's not like amne never pointed out, several mails ago, that the whole

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: For Jakub (and the other procmail-impaired)

2007-07-16 Thread George Prowse
Steve Long wrote: Perhaps you'd like to explain just how Mr Gianelloni's post was NOT a troll then? Or is every developer's procmail setting (particularly for such a stupid thread) a matter we should all be discussing? It's not like amne never pointed out, several mails ago, that the whole

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread George Prowse
Torsten Veller wrote: Let me paste last year's mail: | well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people | for the next Gentoo Council | | for the quick low down: | - nominations are from July 1 through July 31 | - anyone can nominate | - only Gentoo devs may be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-11 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:27:44 -0600 Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. this thread is a good example of something that would belong on gentoo-project. ;) And this is why it's a bad idea: it's moving criticism away from where people will actually read it. And that's

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-09 Thread George Prowse
Mike Doty wrote: George Prowse wrote: Kumba wrote: Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-08 Thread George Prowse
Kumba wrote: Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 01:08 +0100, George Prowse wrote: from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml Look at the Council logs from the CoC being approved and the ones since. We asked for real guidelines so we could specifically avoid this sort of problem from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:15:58 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this is immaterial anyway because even if it had been extensively discussed at length then the proctors would still have acted the same If that really were the case, it would just be an even

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread George Prowse
Alexandre Buisse wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2007 at 12:20:07 +0200, George Prowse wrote: [...] before trying to stop a thread descending into anarchy? I wish it was descending into anarchy. Which is a highly organized social system, and doesn't have anything to do with chaos. Anarchy is just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread George Prowse
Wulf C. Krueger wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote: [Proctor system] a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as has been suggested? Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors. Nor do I. Every thread that has gone bad in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 19:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wulf C. Krueger wrote: I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and what not to but due to language barriers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 05 May 2007 22:03:08 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then frankly feed those news to your overlay users A good number of Paludis users don't use the overlay. Because the above is clearly stupid - what are you really after here, may I ask? I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors Episode II - Attack of the clones

2007-04-19 Thread George Prowse
Wernfried Haas wrote: Hi everyone, I just returned from my trip to Kamino and brought back some new members for the proctors team: blackace, jmbsvicetto, marienz, pilla and mark_alec. All of them have a background in forums/#gentoo/userrel and hopefully will help in bringing peace to this

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-07 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 09:45 -0700, Ned Ludd wrote: Here is what I'm doing these days.. Let's see. I'm currently leading the 2007.0 release, which includes building LiveDVD releases for amd64/x86, LiveCD for alpha/ppc, and doing the entire PPC release, since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

2007-04-07 Thread George Prowse
Alec Warner wrote: Much to the joy of many I am now retiring from Gentoo... It is a pity to see you go, many users like me will be sad to see you leave. George -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder

2007-04-01 Thread George Prowse
Samir Faci wrote: Sorry guys, I didn't think this would be considered spam, I was actually hoping some of the gentoo dev, if any are in the area would be interesting in participating and representing gentoo in the conference. Since this is was seen as spam by some, I apologize. Well this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Caleb Cushing wrote: What on earth is going to be a major visible improvement to a command line based package manager that any average Gentoo user is going to realise? The average user probably only uses a few commands: emerge -u/p/a/v/--sync/package/world/system and then

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:30:11 + George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather make it known that that sort of backhanded tactics to get rid of someone you don't like won't work whoever uses them. You would certainly make that point. then let the other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why I don't think the CoC is a good idea

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Caleb Cushing wrote: I have no idea if it's possible but if a topic is deemed to be off topic then can any further replies with that subject be forwarded automatically to another address like gentoo-dev-offtopic so they dont go to gentoo-dev? I believe you can change the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:19:52 + George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What on earth is going to be a major visible improvement to a command line based package manager that any average Gentoo user is going to realise? The average user probably only uses a few

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:40:54 +0100 Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps. If someone wanted to start a gentoo-politics, by all means, go ahead, just don't expect anyone to read it. That's not such a bad idea, really. I don't mean creating -politics as such,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Ferris McCormick wrote: On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 00:35 +, George Prowse wrote: Ferris McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:30:32 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: snip

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Long wrote: George Prowse wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: I'd rather make it known that that sort of backhanded tactics to get rid of someone you don't like won't work whoever uses them

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread George Prowse
Stephen Becker wrote: And if said employee had already pulled several I'm resigning publicity stunts in the past? And if said employee had seen other people trying the same thing unsuccessfully? Then you deal with them at such a time as they appear, you do not let 2

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