Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:26:50 +0200 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen P. Becker wrote: I will say that this is still a better situation than the closed drivers, which instantly hard lock my computer the first time I exit X after the initial startup. Perhaps this might help you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-13 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:16:43 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen P. Becker wrote: So (without a Portage tree) it replaces the oldgrown single-liner wget foo; tar -xzf foo; cd foo; ./configure; make; make install Are you implying that there would be much more involved

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble

2007-06-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
*snip* --8 21:36 @spb next step is making paludis the officially supported package manager on alpha 21:36 @eroyf yes 21:36 @eroyf like it is on mips 21:36 * eroyf giggles 21:36 @eroyf all the mips devs are using it anyways 21:37 @spb and of course the ultimate aim is to drop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning

2007-06-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:44:23 +0100 Roy Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007.06.05 21:09, Benjamin Judas wrote: This is problably going to start a flamewar, but I am sick of such (insert appropriate term for animal excrements here) on mailing lists, [snip] Ladies and Gentlemen,

Re: [half-PROCTOLOGISTS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
What experience? So far there have been no news items. The issue about elog messages being one shot things is rather outdated (at least for portage), and post-merge information is the domain of elog (as stated in the GLEP). As Ciaran explained below, the paludis overlay has been using them

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Resignation

2007-04-19 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:36:09 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And from the comments of others, *he gets the result*. Incidentally, many tried to make that same argument about Ciaran. -Steve signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] let's clear things up (was Slacker archs)

2007-02-20 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:35:32 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. Clearly, something needs to be done about this. snip Wow, I almost don't know where

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:28:52 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:20:17 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Do *YOU* have anything useful to contribute to the discussion because | all I've seen is your useless FUD which countless times people have

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Dean Stephens (desultory)

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:37:05 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 01 February 2007, Christian Heim wrote: Dean is joining us from Bangor (that's in Maine). Don't know anything else about him, so feel free to harass him on IRC. Welcome Dean... but where Maine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:56:47 -0600 James Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks good on the surface, Chris, but what happens in the case where somebody wants to use the Release tree, but also wants (or needs) one or more packages from the Live tree, and doesn't want to switch completely

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-18 Thread Stephen P. Becker
And then create a KDE licence group, and a Gnome licence group, and so on? Remember that there are only a few X licences once you ignore copyright line differences, just as there are only a few KDE licences once you ignore copyright line differences. The other option is to submit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Stuart Herbert wrote: On 10/31/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, security bugs are not the highest priority. Would it be possible to have some arch team leaders join in this debate? Atm, it just seems to be bouncing back and forwards between package maintainers asking

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-10-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Charlie wrote: On 03/10/06, Daniel Ostrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentoo-wiki does not now nor will it ever get linked to from official Gentoo media, documentation, or anything else within the www.gentoo.org namespace...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking responsibility. How wonderful this sort

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking responsibility. How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626 Am I the only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Doty wrote: What vote? I don't remember one. 5 nominees, 5 positions. Did you want a popularity contest among them? Hmm, wasn't there some sort of question as to whether or not simply accepting them was valid under current policy? I seem to recall that somebody

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Stephen P. Becker wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Doty wrote: What vote? I don't remember one. 5 nominees, 5 positions. Did you want a popularity contest among them? Hmm, wasn't there some sort of question as to whether or not simply accepting them was valid under current policy? I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Torsten Veller wrote: * Michael Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stuart Herbert wrote: On 9/5/06, Stephen P. Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just remembered something. Didn't Stuart say that he planned on leaving Gentoo when he was nominated for the Council recently (and declined)? Yes I did

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Stephen P. Becker
I know my tools but not necessarly the normal user who wanna use gentoo and is ending frustrated. cu Edgar (gimli) Hucek Enrico? Is that you in disguise? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-26 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Duncan wrote: Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:17:03 +0200: Quit assuming I mean anything, you're batting zero for two right now. What's the problem? I wasn't sure how you meant it, so i assumed you meant it that way. As for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-24 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Note that neither mplayer or xine work on mips particularly well. Xine Could you please help us fixing it on mips? (in particular currently there is work in improving ffmp3 in order to ditch mad, that has issues with mips iirc) Well, it depends on your definition of help. I'd be perfectly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-24 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:41 -0400 Stephen P. Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to | help with sound development What happened to the one you sent to Jeremy? Wasn't he supposed to be doing sound things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: User support system [WAS: Sunrise contemplations]

2006-08-18 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Cvet wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 21:05 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:42:52 -0500 James Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | hmmmdoesn't the GNU ClassPath implement enough of Java's runtimes | to handle a command-line app like this (the app needs, basically, to | be

Re: [gentoo-dev] User support system [WAS: Sunrise contemplations]

2006-08-16 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Well, I don't see the current lack of an proper java runtime on certain platforms an real blocker for some additional tool. Uhh...I'm not even sure what I can say in response to such an asinine statement. Java generally is designed for a very wide range of platforms and architectures. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for advanced useflag-syntax

2006-08-07 Thread Stephen P. Becker
That's just because Debian has to do the upstream's work. So if you are so in love with how Debian does everything, why don't you just use Debian instead of Gentoo and stop wasting our time with your silly rants on how we should do everything just like them. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make FEATURES=test the default

2006-08-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Marius Mauch wrote: On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:14:17 +0200 Sascha Geschwandtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So right now, I'd like to see collision-protect sandbox strict included in the default FEATUREs. sandbox and strict are already default for a long time. Not 100% true. Sandbox has been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make FEATURES=test the default

2006-08-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 05 August 2006 09:29, Stephen P. Becker wrote: P.S. Note that we have offered various portage devs hardware and/or an account on Iluxa's ginormous Origin 2000 machine in the past with the intention of getting this fixed, and nobody has taken us up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make FEATURES=test the default

2006-08-05 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 05 August 2006 14:56, Stephen P. Becker wrote: The metadata for sandbox suggests that it is under the control of the portage team, even if they lack a herd: ... because it is tightly integrated with portage ... there is the aspects of portage which require

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. Ciaranm is like a scarecrow. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed

2006-07-30 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 27 July 2006 18:21, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Looking at the meeting log, the council even noted that the concerns had not been addressed no, we noted that people claimed they had concerns but when cornered and asked what exactly their concerns were, no more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed

2006-07-27 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Stefan Schweizer wrote: In last weeks council meeting [1] it was decided that the Sunrise project is no longer suspended. I can give a short overview of the current status of the overlay: - we currently have 154 ebuilds in 58 categories in the overlay not counting the ebuilds that got into

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Adding CPUFLAGS USE_EXPAND variable to the profiles

2006-07-07 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Further, we keep track of other hardware-related metadata in USE_EXPAND, too. See INPUT_DEVICE and VIDEO_CARDS. Quite a different thing to me, considering the wide quantity of them. But for an handful of useflag it would be a bit of overkill. Perhaps you are

Re: Gentoo vs GNU toolchain (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags)

2006-07-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Harald van Dijk wrote: On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 09:42:20PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:06:18 +0200 Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GNU toolchain is not supported by Gentoo, and in fact gets actively broken with unsupported command-line options. Only the GNU

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Patrick Lauer wrote: No, it just shows that two different standards are applied and jakub (as well as some others) do not wish for any discrimination. If sunrise gets blocked with the argument it's an overlay then, by logic, the Java overlay should get the same treatment, even if this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrice: arch team perspective

2006-06-09 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Where else would these bugs go except for arch teams, seeing as we clearly can't assign them to end users who originally submitted the maintainer-wanted ebuilds? These are not expected to be filed as bugs, they should be fixed by the users in question. Apparently, this is not the case.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Shouldn't gcc-4.1-related bugs have some kind of priority as gcc-4.1 is now unmasked?

2006-06-08 Thread Stephen P. Becker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] * (I'm not sending mails through gentoo.org account cause http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/dev-email.xml asks me to not use it to send mails unless absolutely necessary. , and I have others mean of sending emails) You should always use it on official

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-08 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Having to troll through some overlay only increases our work load. That and it would become an an official Gentoo BMG-style repo. Please, let us not officially encourage the ricers. Some of us work very hard to discourage this type of user behavior. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing

[gentoo-dev] Project Sunrice: arch team perspective

2006-06-08 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Starting a new thread here for a new angle... As Stuart mentioned, bugs for any ebuild on o.g.o would go through Gentoo bugzilla. It seems like genstef and jokey have completely ignored support from arch teams for this overlay. What are you proposing with respect to arch keywords and

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 49 - take 2

2006-05-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Am I missing something obvious? -g2boojum- Probably just the blatant Ciaran hate, and the realization that people will have to suck it up and deal with him if his package manager ever becomes official for Gentoo. Who was it that mentioned this GLEP stacked the desk against Paludis? -Steve

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 49 - take 2

2006-05-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 17:29, Grant Goodyear wrote: Jon Portnoy wrote: [Mon May 22 2006, 09:38:23AM CDT] On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 09:21:34AM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: Please don't change your wording on that. The feel really strongly about the primary pkg manager of Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 49 - take 2

2006-05-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:54:25AM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Am I missing something obvious? -g2boojum- Probably just the blatant Ciaran hate, and the realization that people will have to suck it up and deal with him if his package manager ever becomes official

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ati driver

2006-04-21 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Roberto Griso wrote: Hello, i try to install new ati driver on my linux system. The installation on Xorg and the modprobe action for the fglrx module works very well, but wharn i try to start an X session, it exits with the follow error message : (EE) fglrx(0): No V_BIOS found (EE) fglrx(0):

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ati driver

2006-04-21 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Roberto Griso wrote: Please use the gentoo-desktop mailing list for these kinds of questions. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list this is not gentoo-desktop mailing list question, vai a cacare, tu e tre quarti della palazzina tua.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-04-20 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Bertrand Jacquin wrote: On 4/19/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand Jacquin wrote: Is it planned to release some xserver ebuilds ? Could you rephrase the question? I don't understand it. I can't any ebuild for xserver (http://www.jabber.no/ejabberd-1.0.0.tar.bz2) (X over

Re: [gentoo-dev] enroll users for testing packages

2006-04-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
didn't he ask for people who know a particular application very well? If you actually read the GLEP, you will note that there is a provision to expand the idea to include herd testers. i think there is a big difference between agreeing to test one particular package since they know it very

Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-04-04 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Kari Hazzard wrote: On Tuesday 04 April 2006 2:28 am, Stephen P. Becker wrote: I fail to see how pointing out a post was offtopic is mean. Rather, it will save that individual (and hopefully others) from making the same mistake in the future. Then refer the poster to the correct place

Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-04-04 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Kari Hazzard wrote: On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:35 am, Stephen P. Becker wrote: I hate to break it to you, but there really is no such place for such queries. We generally consider it rude when users whine about stable keywording. Therefore, I don't feel bad about a short response

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: bbj

2006-04-04 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Danny van Dyk wrote: Hi list, [Another late one. You know already, I'm a slacker] Please help me to welcome Benigno Batista Júnior aka bbj, the latest addition to the growing population of the Gentoo/ALT Project. bbj is located somewhere between Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Minas

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: dont get me wrong, i hate documenting common sense as much as the next sane guy, but it seems Gentoo has come to the point where this needs to be done many thanks to the Ubuntu guys and to solar for doing the real work here:

Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-04-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
m h wrote: Subject says it all. This isn't meant as flamebait. I'm running stable on my laptop and unstable on my desktop. It seems like most KDE release get better over time, so I'm just wondering what the process is with KDE? Whether it is meant to be flamebait or not is irrelevant.

Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-04-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Kari Hazzard wrote: This is Gentoo. We have a reputation of good community support to maintain here. You're not helping that reputation by being mean to people who ask legitimate questions. The issue that the question may have been sent to the wrong list is irrelevant. RTFM is never the

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Ned Ludd wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 03:14 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:40:54 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm ok. I've decided that root is root no matter how you look at it and it's not worth getting into a vertical pissing contest over. So this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
You still haven't posted posted a *single example* of webapp-config brokeness. You, I'd say you should either back up claims about all the ways in which webapp-config is broken or apologize to the concerned developers for false claims. Still waiting. OK, here is one. It seems that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
webapp-config should be updated to handle such situation more gracefully, so why don't you file a bug about this? Is that all you have wrt all the ways in which webapp-config is broken? If so, that's not really much of a justification of the broad claim ciaranm has made as a QA project member.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
which part dont you understand ? the user sets a variable and then is told that the package probably contains a bug ... seems pretty confusing to me -mike rl03 already replied to that. I don't see any QA issues there, and if someone from QA team does, then he probably has too much time to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Grant Goodyear wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: My point is that that's a nasty QA bug that's relying upon input from Stuart to be fixed. Whilst that one's still alive, I'm not going to go around filing more similar breaks non-interactively bugs because the discussion will just get repeated over

Re: [gentoo-dev] beep-media-player removal: 04/03/2006

2006-02-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Tony Vroon wrote: Good afternoon, Please note that I am planning to remove beep-media-player and accompanying plugin packages from the portage tree on March 4, 2006, unless anyone can convince me of a good reason why they should stay. This software has been abandoned

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Bugzilla etiquette suggestions

2006-02-14 Thread Stephen P. Becker
The point is... The point is... The point is... The point is... The point is, you need to stop polluting this list with completely off-topic sub-rants which have nothing to do with gentoo development. You do a very good job at killing useful threads with your essays on world peace.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
MIkey wrote: Paul de Vrieze wrote: Using this flags on a freshly compiled stage3 (from a stage1, just running emerge system without setting useflags) I get no blockers at all, when setting the useflags at the point that system has been recompiled. Depclean does suggest removing a number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mikey wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 19:49, Stephen P. Becker wrote: You aren't serious, are you? Did *you* read the fucking manual *and* comprehend it? Methinks not...upgrading from 3.3 to 3.4 in a I didn't write the manual, so save your hubris for whoever did. I just followed its

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-25 Thread Stephen P. Becker
The FUD is that stage3 is a better installation process than a (corrected) stage1. The facts are right there in what I posted. Stage3's take twice as long rebuilding the same number of packages and introduce a plethora of roadblocks in the build process unless you stay on a very narrow path.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-25 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mikey wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 19:13, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Ahh, so you were the idiot that ran those tests. Congratulations...you needlessly did a --emptytree world after you had already done --emptrytree system in order to bloat your results. RTFM - http://www.gentoo.org/doc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Stephen P. Becker
OK, so because every 3rd gnome user is not able to add the proper use flag to make.conf, every non-gnome user is stuck with investigating and putting -eds into make.conf to avoid pulling in gnome crap. Wonderful. Yes, I am ranting, because this kind of use flags basically pulls in huge number or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unified nVidia Driver Ebuild ready for testing

2005-12-23 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Since nobody else has asked, I will. What is the point? What problem are you trying to solve with this ebuild? As far as I can tell, there is no point, other than trying to sound like you are doing something important. I can tell you that I would be disappointed if this replaces the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Unified nVidia Driver Ebuild ready for testing

2005-12-23 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Sigh...The point was to take 3, potentially 4, ebuilds and make 1. Well, nvidia-xconfig should probably be part of hte nvidia-settings ebuild, but I really don't think the drivers and kernel module should be included. Why not create a meta-ebuild which pulls all of these ebuilds in, so that

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites for net-im/sim

2005-12-19 Thread Stephen P. Becker
George Shapovalov wrote: Ugh, it is the only one that reliably connects to icq (yea, I am stuck using it for many people whom I contact as this is pretty much the only protocol honored there) *and* handles various encodings in a sane way (no, gaim, while been really nice on a protocol side,

Re: [gentoo-dev] December Council Meeting

2005-12-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Of course, all of these points would have made it into the GLEP *if* it had been posted with plenty of time for people to comment on it instead of one day. harping on this old point solves nothing. we've already established quite clearly that this will not happen again in the future.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
| I suggest that in the future, all developers who are directly quoted | in the GWN are contacted prior to posting the quotes. I realize that | this will put a bit more work load on the GWN authors, but it should | be as simple as sending a mail with the relevant section quoted for | the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Kurt Lieber wrote: We have received *numerous* complaints from users about the decision to remove stage 1 and 2 from the installation documentation. I realize it's still available if users are willing to dig for it, but not all users do. In my years of monitoring [EMAIL PROTECTED], we've

Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Stage1: Changing CHOST= and run ./bootstrap.sh (well you can do it but it's dumb) You can do the same from a stage3. Stage3: has full cxx/berkdb/ssl/pam/libwrap and all the cruft pulled in from having use flags enabled thats not easy to get rid of otherwise. Fair point, however this is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
The last link should settle it for you? Can we now comfortably say that Gentoo is about choice? The other 652,998 links might reveal a few more places where we can get the choice idea from but I hope that all these links should be sufficient to give anyone this idea. Ok, fine. Gentoo is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-18 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Testing ebuilds when keywording/marking stable is supposed to be mandatory and such stuff does not belong into changelogs. Sorry, but that's a big no. People that add/remove keywords without making note in the Changelog deserve a massive kick in the nuts. I'm not sure if you have been

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
*ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never get Gentoo installed in the first place. The lightweight requirement appears to just be your way of subverting the current documentation standards

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server without at least referencing the documentation? Pa-leaze. Funny, I've done three fresh installs on my various mips machines in the past couple of weeks,

Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change

2005-10-24 Thread Stephen P. Becker
What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? Make the virtual alsa-driver? This wouldn't work, as none of our alsa drivers are actually provided by alsa-driver. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change

2005-10-24 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:03 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? Make the virtual alsa-driver? This wouldn't work, as none of our alsa drivers are actually provided by alsa-driver. OK. How does

Re: [gentoo-dev] rm `which gcc` emerge -e world

2005-10-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Tomasz Mloduchowski wrote: Now, that I've got your attention. IMHO above should NOT fail - most of the software in portage is already using ${HOST}-gcc instead and gcc symlink is just a convenience. But it does. In packages I will never suspect being nasty (qt, lynx) and ones I would, but they

Re: [gentoo-dev] rm `which gcc` emerge -e world

2005-10-22 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 22 October 2005 10:02 am, Tomasz Mloduchowski wrote: Altough geoman raised a valid point with separate distcc server, I'm glad something is being done to fix this issue. you could also work around it by exporting CC and CXX before emerging to say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why autoconf in system?

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Hi, as I mentioned, I built LFS without this (and I have coreutils on it ;) Not at all - if we need to modify or create configure files during build as Paul and Martin said ... we need autoconf/automake And furthermore, many programs (or upstream authors if you prefer) are braindead and don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
I think you need to rethink that. Notifying a maintainer that there is an update or new add on to an existing project is not really getting involved. It's HELPING. I realize that maintainers cannot stay on top of all 120,000 packages. That's where the everyday users come in. They, selfishly,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Not that I'm against this proposal necessarily, but it seems like this is everything short of giving them commit access to the tree. Perhaps the arch tester job could simply be made as a probationary period for developer recruits. The good ATs typically go on to be developers anyway, no?

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: Additionally, the mentoring period should be shortened to two weeks if an AT wants to take the end quiz to become a developer, assuming he has been AT for at least two weeks. Users which want to become developers should also run through the

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Homer Parker wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 16:30 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: I guess what I'm *really* asking is whether this GLEP is necessary? There are those that want to help, and so become an AT. The project has worked well for amd64 and ppc, so we are proposing the GLEP

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Chris White wrote: Alright, so here's what I think on the whole thing now that I made a nice tidy [Summary] thread. There seems to be some concern about AT testers having more privileges than some other devs. First off, I hope everyone saw the readonly access, and even so, the whole point

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Let me clarify here. I'm not concerned about ATs having more privileges at all. I just want to know why if we're making them full developers for all intents and purposes, we don't go the extra step and get them commit access after a probationary period? It seems like this is supposed to be the

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have already been rejected Ciaran. It's important to realize that the submissions were intended to AID the developers, not to necessarily be PERFECT in every way. Of course they have been criticized by Ciaran. In case you didn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:19:43 +0200 Martin Schlemmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What about !arch or something (to connect with the one reply to the | summary thread) to really indicate unstable on that arch? Should | cover those things that sorda work on the arch, but you

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Dave Shanker wrote: On 9/6/05, *Martin Schlemmer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: arch - in theory stable ~arch - in theory should work, but needs testing -arch - do not work at all Just out of curiosity, why are there know broken packages in portage? What

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Philip Webb wrote: Having gone over to Udev, I went to unmerge Devfs got a big red warning. It appears that the 2005.1 profile gives Devfs as a virtual: is this an oversight or is there a reason behind it ? I would have assumed that Udev would now be the required device manager.

Re: [gentoo-dev] combining x86 and amd64

2005-09-01 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Using a single keyword would make us unable to mark for example helixplayer (source) x86 and -amd64 at the same time (as it's now). So package.mask it in the (now hypothetical) amd64 sub-profile, and it is fixed. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] combining x86 and amd64

2005-09-01 Thread Stephen P. Becker
I hope this not. As (iirc) I already said, it's impossible to combine x86 with anything else that's not 100% source and binary compatible with itself... The reason is actually simple: x86 is, or at least was, the reference architecture for almost all programmers. Witih amd64 becoming so

Re: [gentoo-dev] combining x86 and amd64

2005-09-01 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Simon Stelling wrote: Stephen P. Becker wrote: Using a single keyword would make us unable to mark for example helixplayer (source) x86 and -amd64 at the same time (as it's now). So package.mask it in the (now hypothetical) amd64 sub-profile, and it is fixed. That's exactly why i don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] combining x86 and amd64

2005-09-01 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Also, you can't compare sparc32/sparc64 to x86/amd64: sparc64 is just a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland. Oh yeah, I forgot, sparc32 uses a different userland than sparc64 in Gentoo. Shall I stop shooting holes in this type of argument now? :) -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Shouldn't this fall under the x86 arch team rather than releng? The I'm sorry, but *what* x86 arch team? That's the point. Ciaran is just pointing out for the gazillionth time that x86 is an unsupported arch, if you go by the standards the other arches have to follow to be part of Gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? We cover a large variety of mips machines/userlands under one keyword, with differences much more significant then that between x86 and amd64. Sorry I disagree with this, differences

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO]

2005-07-09 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Nathan L. Adams wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Portnoy wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 10:54:46AM -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: So when can we discuss the salaries you're going to pay the team leads to waste fairly significant quantities of time staring over

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-09 Thread Stephen P. Becker
foser wrote: On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 22:58 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luca Barbato schrieb: Stephen P. Becker wrote: alpha++ alpha++ once again, alpha++ It's not a vote, it's a discussion. You guys--. Whoever said we were voting? I

Re: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure

2005-06-08 Thread Stephen P. Becker
I was up late on a friday evening hacking up a nifty addition to my system and in my excitement and exuberance jumped on IRC to the dev channel to get pointers to the best official references to ebuild crafting and submission. As it was absolutely silent, I waited a few minutes and

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 06 June 2005 06:26 pm, Aron Griffis wrote: alpha i'm all for alpha (as many know seeing as how they've cursed me profusely when i first started doing it) ... seeing as how i tend to mark for 4 or 5 arches, alpha is a huge help since i know about

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