On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 08:35:41AM +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 00:31:36 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100
> >
> > George Prowse wrote:
> > > An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works.
> >
> > An equilibrium has been reached
Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> Then there's package management. (Your favourite topic, I guess, because you
> want to keep complexifying it until one needs a PhD to write an ebuild
> [which,
> in a way, would be quite ironic])
>
At least for me new EAPIs have been / are making ebuild writing easier.
On Tuesday 12 May 2009 00:31:36 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100
>
> George Prowse wrote:
> > An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works.
>
> An equilibrium has been reached, agreed, but that it works is up for
> debate. There is a strong argument to
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works.
An equilibrium has been reached, agreed, but that it works is up for
debate. There is a strong argument to be made that preserving the
equilibrium wi
On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
> An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works.
An equilibrium has been reached, agreed, but that it works is up for
debate. There is a strong argument to be made that preserving the
equilibrium will keep Gentoo the way it
Thilo Bangert wrote:
to me, the above two contradictory viewpoints are the essence of the
apparent and real decline in Gentoo activity. The two are just not
compatible with each other and there is no clear guidance on to which of
the two should be followed.
in the one corner we have the 'Dani
Nirbheek Chauhan said:
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Thilo Bangert posted
> > 200905101051.43926.bang...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 10
> > May
> >
> > 2009 10:51:38 +0200:
> >> also, i feel voting for bugs is completely underutilized. votes
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Thilo Bangert posted
> 200905101051.43926.bang...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 10 May
> 2009 10:51:38 +0200:
>
>> also, i feel voting for bugs is completely underutilized. votes make it
>> apparent to the developers w
Thilo Bangert posted
200905101051.43926.bang...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 10 May
2009 10:51:38 +0200:
> also, i feel voting for bugs is completely underutilized. votes make it
> apparent to the developers which bugs bug a lot of people. the incentive
> to fix those first is there...
Ciaran McCreesh said:
> On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:19:49 +0300
>
> Markos Chandras wrote:
> > We surely need more developers. Otherwise we ll end up maintaining
> > 100 > ACTIVE developers ). So first we need to attract more people.
> > Evaluation and recruitment comes next
>
> I have a better way of
Ferris McCormick posted
1241794483.15135.19.ca...@liasis.inforead.com, excerpted below, on Fri,
08 May 2009 14:54:43 +:
> Well, you could always do it over the phone. :)
I had actually contemplated that. With no additional cost VoIP to phone
calling nation- or region-wide, and "free" dire
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 12:45 +, Duncan wrote:
> Markos Chandras posted
> 200905081342.17562.hwoar...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 May
> 2009 13:42:13 +0300:
>
> > On Friday 08 May 2009 12:19:28 Duncan wrote:
> >> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> posted pan.2009.05.06.17.25...@cox.net,
Duncan wrote:
But no matter, the practical fact of the matter is that for someone who
would otherwise not do IRC, it's just one more hurdle in the process.
Whether it's useful or not, trivial or vital, no longer matters, it's
defined by the gatekeepers as a requirement, therefore, by said
def
Markos Chandras posted
200905081342.17562.hwoar...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 May
2009 13:42:13 +0300:
> On Friday 08 May 2009 12:19:28 Duncan wrote:
>> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> posted pan.2009.05.06.17.25...@cox.net,
>>[..] If a potential recruit isn't interested in IRC,
>> Ge
On Friday 08 May 2009 12:19:28 Duncan wrote:
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> posted pan.2009.05.06.17.25...@cox.net,
>[..] If a potential recruit isn't interested in IRC,
> Gentoo isn't interested in them as developers."
>
> Which, I suppose, is good to know, agree or not.
Ok now you are overreacti
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> posted pan.2009.05.06.17.25...@cox.net,
excerpted below, on Wed, 06 May 2009 17:25:15 +:
> As others have occasionally noted, the assumption seems to be that
> developers "do" IRC. While it's certainly a useful thing for those that
> do it, I believe I've seen a
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM, George Prowse wrote:
> Oh good lord, what have I started here... I can see that being as successful
> as the Norweigan referee in last nights Chelsea v Barcelona game
>
Oooh, and here's the funny part, the max replies are by the same old
people who drown every thr
Arttu V. wrote:
On 5/7/09, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
There's no reason that can't be done via email, and throwing in
some live commit feed action might make it a bit interesting. =:^)
I'm sensing a sort of a "patches welcome" attitude from the crowd,
i.e., not falling for a hard sel
Thomas Anderson wrote:
It seems to me you're on a irc-hate rampage. There are many devs who
rarely, if ever, go on irc. The _only_ requirement is that you conduct
a real-time interview with a recruiter.
I have to agree with this sentiment - I have nothing against IRC but it
is a bit too real
Hi,
Thomas Anderson :
> It seems to me you're on a irc-hate rampage. There are many devs who
> rarely, if ever, go on irc. The _only_ requirement is that you
> conduct a real-time interview with a recruiter. It's sort of like a
> job interview only it's remote. Once you're a dev you don't have to
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:29:33PM +, Duncan wrote:
> "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" posted
> 4a02a0e7.5050...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 May 2009
> 10:50:47 +0200:
> I've seen a few replies from the (rare) Gentoo dev as well, indicating
> they basically don't do IRC either, just mai
"Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" posted
4a02a0e7.5050...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 May 2009
10:50:47 +0200:
> Duncan wrote:
>> Plus, as I said, with a pre-arrangement, it's possible to do email
>> reasonably close to real-time as well, close enough they'd not have
>> time to look it up un
On 5/7/09, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> There's no reason that can't be done via email, and throwing in
> some live commit feed action might make it a bit interesting. =:^)
I'm sensing a sort of a "patches welcome" attitude from the crowd,
i.e., not falling for a hard sell of just the id
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Duncan wrote:
> Plus, as I said, with a pre-arrangement, it's possible to do email
> reasonably close to real-time as well, close enough they'd not have time
> to look it up unless they had /some/ idea what was going on.
What good is simulating real
Ciaran McCreesh posted
20090506223757.106ca...@snowcone, excerpted below, on Wed, 06 May 2009
22:37:57 +0100:
> If a question asks "what's wrong with this code?", you know there's
> something wrong and you can spend time researching to find out what it
> is. But people need to be able to recogni
On Wed, 6 May 2009 21:19:00 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> There's a saying that the mark of an expert isn't that he knows
> everything, but that he knows where to look to find it when he needs
> it.
Which is certainly a necessary skill.
> In the Gentoo development environmen
Mart Raudsepp posted 1241633816.25192.2.ca...@localhost,
excerpted below, on Wed, 06 May 2009 21:16:56 +0300:
> On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 17:25 +, Duncan wrote:
>> Christian Faulhammer posted:
>>
>> > recruiters do quite long IRC sessions with the applicant. Apart from
>> > questions not found
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 17:25 +, Duncan wrote:
> Christian Faulhammer posted
> 20090506083356.4a561...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 06 May 2009
> 08:33:56 +0200:
>
> > Apart from growing into your job (that's what happened with me),
> > recruiters do quite long IRC sessions with the ap
Christian Faulhammer posted
20090506083356.4a561...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 06 May 2009
08:33:56 +0200:
> Apart from growing into your job (that's what happened with me),
> recruiters do quite long IRC sessions with the applicant. Apart from
> questions not found in the quiz they w
Petteri Räty a écrit :
Currently we really don't need to fail that many
people as those who end up at that point in the process almost always
have good enough skills as they have contributed via overlays for quite
a while.
Ditto on that. Most recruits I've been actively watching these past few
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Hi,
Ciaran McCreesh :
> At the very least, before attempting any mass recruitment, the quiz
> needs to be lengthened, brought up to date and split into "answer
> these on the spot on IRC without having seen the question before" and
> "research allowed
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> At the very least, before attempting any mass recruitment, the quiz
> needs to be lengthened, brought up to date and split into "answer these
> on the spot on IRC without having seen the question before" and
> "research allowed" questions, and recruiters have to be prepa
El mar, 05-05-2009 a las 18:28 +0100, George Prowse escribió:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > George Prowse schrieb:
> >> Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >>> For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with
> >>> ebuilds, there is already an option:
> >>>
> >>> Join #gentoo-dev-help or even be
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On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:19:00 +0100
Roy Bamford wrote:
> - From your post, it appears that standards were lowered during the
> recruitment drive you reference.
Not quite.
At the time, there weren't really any particular standards during
recruitment.
On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:19:49 +0300
Markos Chandras wrote:
> We surely need more developers. Otherwise we ll end up maintaining
> 100 ACTIVE developers ). So first we need to attract more people.
> Evaluation and recruitment comes next
I have a better way of improving those numbers: remove two thir
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:37:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100
>
> George Prowse wrote:
> > If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly
> > with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to
> > walk people through how and what i
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On 2009.05.05 18:37, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100
> George Prowse wrote:
> > If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned
> correctly
[snip]
>
> That's not how it works -- we know this from last time Gent
On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:11:02 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
> > That's not how it works -- we know this from last time Gentoo
> > recruited a whole load of people without verifying their abilities.
> > With lots of new developers, what little time skilled developers
> > already have ends up being spen
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly
with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to
walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer
then the infl
On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
> If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly
> with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to
> walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer
> then the influx could create a
Thomas Sachau wrote:
George Prowse schrieb:
Thomas Sachau wrote:
For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with
ebuilds, there is already an option:
Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the
documentation from the topic. The
Sunrise Overlay (with th
George Prowse schrieb:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with
>> ebuilds, there is already an option:
>>
>> Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the
>> documentation from the topic. The
>> Sunrise Overlay (with the #gen
Mounir Lamouri wrote:
George Prowse wrote:
I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to
join you will always be understaffed.
Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal
communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some
linux magazin
George Prowse wrote:
> I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to
> join you will always be understaffed.
>
> Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal
> communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some
> linux magazines, talk to di
On Monday 04 May 2009 23:47:08 George Prowse wrote:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Mario Fetka schrieb:
> >> On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote:
> >>> Peter Faraday Weller wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks,
> welp
> >>>
> >>> Sad to hear it mate.
> >>>
> >>> As the person
Thomas Sachau wrote:
Mario Fetka schrieb:
On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote:
Peter Faraday Weller wrote:
Hi
Thanks,
welp
Sad to hear it mate.
As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you
will be missed.
I am quite surprised about what you sai
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