Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-07-12 Thread peter sikking
David, first of all thanks for taking the time to give us input. There is one phrase here that I am not sure how to interpret: > I'm not entirely sure how I'd go about designing a website in gimp > to deal with this problem The "designing a website in gimp" sounds scary to me because I then i

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-07-12 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:04:59 +0100, David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As an experiment at work I decided to work on just the one image when "saving > for web" and found that I really don't need to do the spot comparisons > between > images after all. What's more important is the ability t

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-07-11 Thread David Marrs
peter sikking wrote: > now it is getting late here too. if you can make that description really > fundamental (like in principle for tens of thousands of web graphic > designers), and filter your own biases out, then that would be great > input for us. > > but you better be sure it is fundamental

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-07-11 Thread David Marrs
peter sikking wrote: > interesting to see "Compare compressed images against original", would > it be enough to see the compressed one and balance that against the size > and what your customer expects? As an experiment at work I decided to work on just the one image when "saving for web" and fou

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-27 Thread David Marrs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Neither is chosing the appropriate format specific "the web" so "save > for the web" concept is misleading. It should be "select best > compression format" or so. I have no argument with this. If we can do away with a separate dialogue altogether, so much the better.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-27 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 19:11 +0200, peter sikking wrote: > Liam, > Please don't forget other users :-) I routinely have a selection > that's, say, 10,000 pixels by roughly 40 pixels. This might not > be a usual case for Web graphics... > > an aspect ratio of 1000 to 4. cool. > > at what zoom lev

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-26 Thread David Marrs
peter sikking wrote: > interesting to see "Compare compressed images against original", would > it be enough to see the compressed one and balance that against the size > and what your customer expects? I usually do comparisons when I'm trying to get the best image quality out of jpegs. There seem

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-26 Thread David Marrs
Akkana Peck wrote: > I might have misunderstood this step (I definitely don't follow the > comment about PS not letting you edit -- maybe that's a PS issue) > but it sounds like if you did a "Paste as New" in gimp, you wouldn't > need to create a new canvas or figure out any dimensions. Oh yeah. T

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-26 Thread Clarence Risher
On 6/26/07, peter sikking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please don't forget other users :-) I routinely have a selection > > that's, say, 10,000 pixels by roughly 40 pixels. This might not > > be a usual case for Web graphics... > > an aspect ratio of 1000 to 4. cool. > > at what zoom level(s) d

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-26 Thread peter sikking
Liam, >> actually right now I am specifying how the selection tools should >> deal >> with long, very narrow selections, with the web guys in mind. > Please don't forget other users :-) I routinely have a selection > that's, say, 10,000 pixels by roughly 40 pixels. This might not > be a usual

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-26 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 01:30 +0200, peter sikking wrote: > [...] > actually right now I am specifying how the selection tools should deal > with long, very narrow selections, with the web guys in mind. Please don't forget other users :-) I routinely have a selection that's, say, 10,000 pixels by r

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-25 Thread Akkana Peck
David Marrs writes: > 4) Open new canvas. PS automatically populates the canvas dimensions with > those > of the paste buffer so this operation isn't as cumbersome as it would be in > Gimp, but really it wouldn't be required at all if PS allowed you to edit an > image during the next stage. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-25 Thread peter sikking
David wrote: > peter sikking wrote: >> can you tell me what you mean with "manual work needs to be done"? >> that can help us with our work. > Well the most common case is simply selecting a slither of an area > to be tiled as a background image. yep, we expect this kind of stuff to be your dai

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-25 Thread gg
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:52:53 +0200, David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With a "save *selection* for web" feature, steps 3) and 4) could > probably be > omitted altogether for most of the time. well save for web is a plugin but it probably could be extended to save a selection. Sounds l

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-25 Thread gg
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:02:48 +0200, damianzalewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > gcn> I agree that the tools should aimed towards "top end" users not > splicing. > gcn> Gimp's declared aim is to provide tools for creating elements for > web > gcn> design not page layout. > > Does it really me

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-25 Thread damianzalewski
gcn> I agree that the tools should aimed towards "top end" users not splicing. gcn> Gimp's declared aim is to provide tools for creating elements for web gcn> design not page layout. Does it really mean I have to use separate program to make few cuts. And how can I make web page without slicin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-24 Thread David Marrs
peter sikking wrote: > can you tell me what you mean with "manual work needs to be done"? > that can help us with our work. > Well the most common case is simply selecting a slither of an area to be tiled as a background image. Sometimes you have to hide a foreground layer before making the sele

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-24 Thread gg
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:08:47 +0200, Øyvind Kolås <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/22/07, Nemes Ioan Sorin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But the correct behavior ( exporting layout for web ) can be seen on >> Macromedia / Adobe Fireworks. Let say Firefox 8 ( I dont try yet CS >> version ). >> >> T

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-24 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On 6/22/07, Nemes Ioan Sorin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But the correct behavior ( exporting layout for web ) can be seen on > Macromedia / Adobe Fireworks. Let say Firefox 8 ( I dont try yet CS > version ). > > They had a proven model that already got the general acceptance. If some > similar mo

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-22 Thread Nemes Ioan Sorin
Sorry fo my intrusion here guys But the correct behavior ( exporting layout for web ) can be seen on Macromedia / Adobe Fireworks. Let say Firefox 8 ( I dont try yet CS version ). They had a proven model that already got the general acceptance. If some similar model ( to cut in slices - to ren

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-22 Thread peter sikking
David, > peter sikking wrote: >> We do imagine that a set of website graphics pieces gets _produced_ >> on a single canvas, and when everything works well together >> graphically, with a single 'cutting mask' all pieces are cut out >> and saved in the right web format, in a single action. > > I do

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-06-21 Thread David Marrs
peter sikking wrote: > > We do imagine that a set of website graphics pieces gets _produced_ > on a single canvas, and when everything works well together > graphically, with a single 'cutting mask' all pieces are cut out > and saved in the right web format, in a single action. I don't see how th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-05-26 Thread damianzalewski
Witam peter, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 11:39:02 AM, napisałe/aś: ps> Well, let's see: ps> First we would have to support the task of figuring out the right ps> page structure and proportions by the designer. This would mean ps> multicolumn layout, aligning sections vertically. This all of ps> cou

Re: [Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-05-26 Thread peter sikking
damianzalewski wrote: > What gimp is not: > > "not a web page mock-up application > I brought up web mock-ups, but we realised that seriously > supporting this would mean introducing a ton of functionality; > it is better done in a specialised application" > >I really don't understand what

[Gimp-developer] Webdesign is wrong

2007-05-25 Thread damianzalewski
What gimp is not: "not a web page mock-up application I brought up web mock-ups, but we realised that seriously supporting this would mean introducing a ton of functionality; it is better done in a specialised application" I really don't understand what tons of functionality you mean. The