Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-06 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 04/03/10 21:22, Jason Simanek wrote: > ... elision by patrick... > Thanks to browser type #2 I can only use color profiles on images that > are not intended to be a part of the web site's design. If I do include > color profiles on those images, every time I bring up the site in Safari > it will

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-04 Thread Jason Simanek
On 03/04/2010 05:58 PM, Patrick Horgan wrote: > On 03/03/10 11:19, Jason Simanek wrote: >> That's not true in my experience. Yes, sRGB should be as good as NOT >> having a profile since sRGB is the ASSUMED color space on most >> computersy. But Gimp still adds a color profile to the image: an sRGB

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-04 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 03/03/10 11:19, Jason Simanek wrote: > ...elision by patrick > Gballard doesn't mention that Firefox, when its color management is > enabled, actually does website color management correctly, since it > applies color profiles to both images and HMTL/CSS-defined colors. But > that really doesn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-04 Thread Omari Stephens
On 03/04/2010 02:13 PM, Jason Simanek wrote: > > On 03/04/2010 02:14 AM, Sven Neumann wrote: >> The point of the current behavior is that you need to make an assumption >> if no profile is attached to an image. Otherwise you could not even >> display this image. Without a color profile or an assump

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-04 Thread Jason Simanek
On 03/04/2010 02:14 AM, Sven Neumann wrote: > The point of the current behavior is that you need to make an assumption > if no profile is attached to an image. Otherwise you could not even > display this image. Without a color profile or an assumption about the > meaning of the RGB values it's jus

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:33 -0600, Jason Simanek wrote: > I understand that color management is complicated and probably not > worth completely implementing until Gimp fully employs GEGL, but I > think changing the menu so that > > File > Image > Mode > Assign Color Profile > sRGB > ACTUALLY

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Jason Simanek
Below is a response I wrote, but accidentally only sent to Sven. -JS On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Sven Neumann wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 06:22 +1100, Graeme Gill wrote: >> Sven Neumann wrote: >> > You assign the sRGB profile. That is equivalent to un-setting the color >> > profile. >> >>

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Sven Neumann
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 22:46 +0100, yahvuu wrote: > Sven Neumann wrote: > > Untagged files are assumed to be sRGB. That is the assumption that the > > GIMP code makes all over the place. Actually most parts of GIMP > > (basically everything except the display code) don't care about the > > color pro

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, Sven Neumann wrote: > Untagged files are assumed to be sRGB. That is the assumption that the > GIMP code makes all over the place. Actually most parts of GIMP > (basically everything except the display code) don't care about the > color profile at all and will assume sRGB no matter what pr

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Sven Neumann
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 06:22 +1100, Graeme Gill wrote: > Sven Neumann wrote: > > You assign the sRGB profile. That is equivalent to un-setting the color > > profile. > > If it actually does this, it's being highly un-intuitive. Assigning > an sRGB profile would normally be expected to tag a file wi

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Sven Neumann
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 13:19 -0600, Jason Simanek wrote: > Sven says: > > You assign the sRGB profile. > > That is equivalent to un-setting the color profile. > > That's not true in my experience. Yes, sRGB should be as good as NOT > having a profile since sRGB is the ASSUMED color space on most >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Graeme Gill
Sven Neumann wrote: > You assign the sRGB profile. That is equivalent to un-setting the color > profile. If it actually does this, it's being highly un-intuitive. Assigning an sRGB profile would normally be expected to tag a file with sRGB, not at all the same thing as having no assigned profile.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Jason Simanek
Hope my message didn't add too much of a stir. yahvuu's proposal does indeed encompass the small feature that I was requesting as well as other features that sound excellent. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Jay Smith wrote: > Here is a great reference site exactly on this subject > > http://

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Sven Neumann
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 08:22 -0600, Jason Simanek wrote: > Sven suggested I just 'unset the color profile' on the image, but the > option doesn't seem to exist. I'm running Gimp 2.6.7 on Ubuntu Karmic > 9.10. Under > > File > Image > Mode > > > I have the options 'Assign Color Profile' and 'Con

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Jay Smith
On 03/03/2010 10:08 AM, Jay Smith wrote: > On 03/03/2010 09:22 AM, Jason Simanek wrote: >> Hello, >> > >> For web designers it is essential to have the option to either include >> or exclude color profiles on images that are created with Gimp. It would >> be great to have a checkbox on the save/

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/03/2010 03:22 PM, Jason Simanek wrote: > Hello, > > Apparently I was supposed to discuss any potential new features with the > developer mailing list prior to filing a bug. Sven Neumann pointed this > out to me. Thanks Sven. There have been a UI proposal by yahvuu recently [1] where he sugge

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Yoshinori Yamakawa
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:22:42 -0600 Jason Simanek wrote: > I have the options 'Assign Color Profile' and 'Convert Color Profile'. > Neither of these gives me the option to 'unset the color profile'. If > the option isn't available next to these color profile options, what is > the next logical

Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Jay Smith
On 03/03/2010 09:22 AM, Jason Simanek wrote: > Hello, > > For web designers it is essential to have the option to either include > or exclude color profiles on images that are created with Gimp. It would > be great to have a checkbox on the save/export dialog or the Save for > Web plugin dialo

[Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-03 Thread Jason Simanek
Hello, Apparently I was supposed to discuss any potential new features with the developer mailing list prior to filing a bug. Sven Neumann pointed this out to me. Thanks Sven. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610944 For web designers it is essential to have the option to either inclu