Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting

2011-05-02 Thread Tobias Ehni
> > Interaction with new usability team? > Yes, please. ;-) If possible, please kindly consider scheduling the meeting before May 21st or after May 29th. I will be on vacation during that time. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Ber

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting

2011-05-02 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 5/2/11, LightningIsMyName wrote: > Throwing ideas that should be discussed: > > - GSoC students - Basic guidance on how to handle branches? When to > push, where, etc. More important is getting them all with git access > (for me it took 1 month to get, so it should be organized now in order > n

[Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting

2011-05-02 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, Due to my very unfortunate series of monday's in which I can't arrange a meeting, and due to the fact that some developers where on vacation, there wasn't any serious developer meeting in the last month except for the one in which GSoC mentors did some stuff regarding that. Since I'm havin

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting]

2011-04-18 Thread Alexia Death
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Alexia Death wrote: > be 18:40GMT for GSoC meeting and 19:00GMT for dev meeting. If there Silly me. 17:40GMT and 18:00 GMT that is. > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=GIMP+Developer+Meeting+%234&iso=20110419T18 > > World clock times for the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting]

2011-04-18 Thread Alexia Death
Hi, During IRC conversation it was decided that moving by 3 hours would run into workday for some key people so the new suggested times would be 18:40GMT for GSoC meeting and 19:00GMT for dev meeting. If there are no major protests on these times, lets consider the meeting moved. http://www.time

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting]

2011-04-18 Thread Kevin Cozens
LightningIsMyName wrote: > and it should be possible to move the meeting to 17:00 GMT. The places > that will suffer from that decision are Canda and Brazil that will > have a meeting starting on the morning, but it seems to be as if > indeed most "dead hours" will be over the ocean. 1700 GMT is 1

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting]

2011-04-18 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, Theoretically, it should be possible to move the dev meeting and the gsoc meeting. I took a look at the world clock and the developer map, and it should be possible to move the meeting to 17:00 GMT. The places that will suffer from that decision are Canda and Brazil that will have a meeting

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting]

2011-04-18 Thread Alexia Death
On Monday, April 18, 2011 05:05:10 Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Sorry, the scheduled time is not fine for me. I had asked for this to > be changed on IRC, but nothing was done for the last meeting's time > too. The previous meetings have happened at around 1:30 AM localtime > and 2:00 AM localtime.

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting]

2011-04-17 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
- Forwarded message from Mukund Sivaraman - Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:28:06 +0530 From: Mukund Sivaraman To: LightningIsMyName Cc: gimp-developer Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Hi

[Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4 + GSoC Mentor/Admin Meeting

2011-04-17 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, The next GIMP Developer Meeting (#4) was scheduled for this week on tuesday, April 19th 2011 on 20:00 UTC. For time zone conversions, see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=GIMP+Developer+Meeting+%234&iso=20110419T20 As usual, the meeting will take place on #gimp-devel

[Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #4

2011-04-10 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, The next GIMP Developer Meeting will probably take place in the GIMP IRC on April 11th 2011, 20:00 UTC (For time zone conversions, see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20110411T20). I'm very busy and have no time to set up a meeting page on the wiki and/or arrange it

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
> On 2011-03-29 14:09, LightningIsMyName wrote: >> ** Default JPEG Quality (quickie, not a real topic) ** >> Change to 95 2x1, and add a hack to save defaults (using something >> like the PNG plugin does, or something more elegant). Note that a >> decent system to save plugin defaults, along with o

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/29/11, Michael Natterer wrote: > On 03/29/2011 06:54 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> On 3/29/11, Michael Natterer wrote: >> >>> As I said before, let's please work on our public interface >> >> Let's try to outline what exactly needs doing, eh? :) > > - Website updates I think I could add

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Michael Natterer
On 03/29/2011 06:54 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 3/29/11, Michael Natterer wrote: > >> As I said before, let's please work on our public interface > > Let's try to outline what exactly needs doing, eh? :) - Website updates - News - Wiki - Blogs - Maybe we should have a GIMP blog aggregator

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/29/11, Michael Natterer wrote: > As I said before, let's please work on our public interface Let's try to outline what exactly needs doing, eh? :) The new website is stuck in the middle mostly because AFAIK Jimmac was busy all the time with GNOME 3 which is finally soon to be out, so maybe

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Michael Natterer
On 03/29/2011 02:45 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > 2011/3/29 LightningIsMyName: >> ** Re-Discussing GIMP's programming language ** >> For core (non-UI), continue using GObject, use code generators (such >> as turbine) and do copy/paste/replace for existing GObject classes >> (for the rare case where

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Ville Pätsi
On 2011-03-29 14:09, LightningIsMyName wrote: > ** Default JPEG Quality (quickie, not a real topic) ** > Change to 95 2x1, and add a hack to save defaults (using something > like the PNG plugin does, or something more elegant). Note that a > decent system to save plugin defaults, along with other a

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Martin Nordholts
2011/3/29 LightningIsMyName : > ** Re-Discussing GIMP's programming language ** > For core (non-UI), continue using GObject, use code generators (such > as turbine) and do copy/paste/replace for existing GObject classes > (for the rare case where the generator won't be enough). Hi, Unfortunately

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-29 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, no organized meeting log this time, for various reasons, however I'm attaching below the list of decided actions in the meeting, along with some other off-topic points that were discussed: ** GSoC Student Applications ** Core developers sign up as mentors (for GSoC) schumaml: Write mail a

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-28 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > It's a good thing I asked that we clarify the problem as I was thinking it > was something else entirely. Pointers to a couple of files that show the > issue of a lot of boilerplate code would be good so we can all see the > extent of

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Kevin Cozens
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > It has *something* to do with too much gobject boilerplate code. It's a good thing I asked that we clarify the problem as I was thinking it was something else entirely. Pointers to a couple of files that show the issue of a lot of boilerplate code would be good so we

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Simon Budig
Martin Nordholts (ense...@gmail.com) wrote: > 2011/3/27 Michael Natterer : > > And this is *exactly* the problem. We would end up with programmers > > that quickly learnt vala, having no clue about GObject. That's > > absolutely horrible. > > How is it a problem that our code becomes so easy that

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Alexia Death
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > How is it a problem that our code becomes so easy that even "dumb" > programmers can understand and improve it when we are not forced to > include patches from such "dumb" programmers? This not how I understood mitch... I understood it as

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Martin Nordholts
2011/3/27 Michael Natterer : > On 03/27/2011 04:45 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: >> >> On 03/27/2011 02:12 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: >>> >>> As to the actual iussue of introducing whatever *additional* >>> language in GIMP, I strongly doubt that it would help us in >>> any way. It would increase th

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Michael Natterer
On 03/27/2011 04:45 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > On 03/27/2011 02:12 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: >> >> As to the actual iussue of introducing whatever *additional* >> language in GIMP, I strongly doubt that it would help us in >> any way. It would increase the complexity of both building and >> pr

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Aurimas Juška
Hi, On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > So when you write code, how much time do you spend writing the > boilerplate? 10%? I would say it's much much less, because writing > the code is a small fraction of the time actually spent on the code, > the rest is debugging, refact

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/27/2011 02:12 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > > So when you write code, how much time do you spend writing the > boilerplate? 10%? I would say it's much much less, because writing > the code is a small fraction of the time actually spent on the code, > the rest is debugging, refactoring, readin

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Michael Natterer
On 03/27/2011 11:36 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > 2011/3/27 Kevin Cozens: >> LightningIsMyName wrote: >>> *** Optional topic: Re-Discussing GIMP's programming language *** >>> Some developers that weren't present in the last meeting, highly >>> disagree on the attempt to introduce vala into gimp, c

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Martin Nordholts
2011/3/27 Kevin Cozens : > LightningIsMyName wrote: >> *** Optional topic: Re-Discussing GIMP's programming language *** >> Some developers that weren't present in the last meeting, highly >> disagree on the attempt to introduce vala into gimp, claiming that it >> will scare off developers (more th

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-26 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/27/11, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Before talking about which new programming language is needed(?) in GIMP we > should make sure the problem is clearly defined as to *why* we need > something new. What problem is the new language going to solve? > > IIRC, it had something to do with creation of GU

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-26 Thread Kevin Cozens
LightningIsMyName wrote: > *** Optional topic: Re-Discussing GIMP's programming language *** > Some developers that weren't present in the last meeting, highly > disagree on the attempt to introduce vala into gimp, claiming that it > will scare off developers (more than the "simple" C GObject code)

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/25/2011 02:31 PM, LightningIsMyName wrote: > *** Other topics *** > Any other suggestions should be suggested by replying to this email, > or adding it directly to the wiki (if you have permissions to edit the > wiki). Hi, What's the status of making wiki.gimp.org resolve to gimp-wiki.who.e

[Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #3 - March 28, 2011

2011-03-25 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, The next GIMP Developer Meeting will take place in the GIMP IRC on March 28th 2011, 10:00 PM CET (For time zone conversions, see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=28&year=2011&hour=22&min=0&sec=0&p1=48). Thee meeting page is up and running on http://gimp-wiki.

[Gimp-developer] GIMP Developer Meeting #2 - March 14th 2011

2011-03-08 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, The next GIMP developer meeting (users are also welcome!) will take place Monday, March 14th 2011, on 10:00 PM CET (GMT+1). The agenda can be found here: http://gimp-wiki.who.ee/index.php/Hacking:Dev_Meeting_14_Mar_2011 Right now, the main topics are: * Reviewing last meeting's decision *

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-03-06 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hi, 2011/3/6 Łukasz Czerwiński : > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 00:22, LightningIsMyName > wrote: >> >> 1. schumaml and LightningIsMyName fix wgo? > > Could you explain me what "wgo" means? See http://lightningismyname.blogspot.com/2011/03/first-gimp-developer-meeting-success.html for a detailed

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, The first meeting took place and it seems to be a success :) The agenda, decided actions and log can be found on the soon-to-be-official wiki at http://gimp-wiki.who.ee/index.php/Hacking:Dev_Meeting_28_Feb_2011 A summary of the decided actions: 1. schumaml and LightningIsMyName fix wgo?

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 02/28/2011 07:02 PM, Sven Neumann wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 19:38 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: >> Wiki needs an admin that cares, a database and php installed on the >> server. AFAIK there is no gimp host that meets all those requirements, >> specially the admin part. > > Well, the machine th

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread Omari Stephens
This is happening now in #gimp-development --xsdg Sven Neumann escribió: On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 19:38 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > LightningIsMyName wrote: > >> said on IRC that she can't point a domain at that adress so we really > >>

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread Sven Neumann
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 19:38 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > LightningIsMyName wrote: > >> said on IRC that she can't point a domain at that adress so we really > >> should get wiki.gimp.org running or pay for some web server with the > >> GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread Alexia Death
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > LightningIsMyName wrote: >> said on IRC that she can't point a domain at that adress so we really >> should get wiki.gimp.org running or pay for some web server with the >> GIMP funds. > > We can discuss this more at todays meeting. I would li

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread Kevin Cozens
LightningIsMyName wrote: > said on IRC that she can't point a domain at that adress so we really > should get wiki.gimp.org running or pay for some web server with the > GIMP funds. We can discuss this more at todays meeting. I would like to know what the problem is with having wiki.gimp.org. GIM

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread Alexia Death
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:49 AM, LightningIsMyName wrote: > Added to the the agenda - mine was just a partial suggestion :) > I'll try to update my blog post with a public agenda > (http://lightningismyname.blogspot.com/2011/02/gimp-developer-meeting.html), > and I'll upload a summary to http://g

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-28 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hi, On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Any chance you can keep a log of the meeting? I'd love to know what > happens, but I'll be traveling then. > > Thanks! > >...Akkana I'll suggest public logging at the begining of the meeting (since we shouldn't log without general

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-27 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 02/28/2011 12:07 AM, LightningIsMyName wrote: > Hello, > > Today (February 28, 2011), at 10pm CET (for time zone conversions, see > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=2&day=28&year=2011&hour=22&min=0&sec=0&p1=48 > ) a meeting of GIMP developers is scheduled on the GIMP de

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-27 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > > SOrry pal -- this time table does not list "CET" time. > Can you tell me it in the difference to GMT? The time table shows that hour in many cities, and CET stands for centeral europe timezone :) It's GMT+1 ~LightningIsMyName _

[Gimp-developer] GIMP developer meeting

2011-02-27 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, After the slow development that I and some other developers feel, because of lack of plans, we decided to try and schedule a planned IRC meeting. Today (February 28, 2011), at 10pm CET (for time zone conversions, see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=2&day=28&year=2