Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 01:52 AM, Ofnuts wrote: On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know that we have way too many configuration

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Archie Arevalo
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 07:23:34 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-11-12 06:15]: ... It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Andrew Clarke
maderios, please, please just accept that it will not happen. This has been discussed at great length, and it will not change. On 12/09/2012 10:55, maderios wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with

[Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
I see lots of complaints about the Gimp save and export. I've been using Gimp for ages with this feature. It is entirely logical and I don't understand the complaining. In a DAW (digital audio workstation application) you save the whole project as a session. You export the final file as mixdown

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf or change a few things, or change many things... This is

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 12:30 PM, Ryan Stark wrote: I see lots of complaints about the Gimp save and export. I've been using Gimp for ages with this feature. It is entirely logical and I don't understand the complaining. In a DAW (digital audio workstation application) you save the whole project as a

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM, maderios wrote: A DAW with no name... Any DAW. Lots of apps... Which apps ? We've discussed it before, with names. But really, pick any DAW, any NLE and the like. Most software, digikam, phot$p, firefox, avidemux, libreoffice, doesnt work like gimp but

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 01:38 PM, Psiweapon wrote: The problem lies with users who DON'T need the XCF file awesomeness AT ALL, such as me, as I'm made to jump through hoops to save a .PNG I just opened. Well, I can use overwrite, but that doesn't even have a keyboard shortcut. Hi I use .xcf files but

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Gimp is no longer the universal Swiss army knife of image editing, it's a fact. Yes, that is true. It also doesn't aim to. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM, maderios wrote: People will leave the world of free software to turn to proprietary. Isn't it where four riders of the Apocalypse emerge? Oh, and Ronnie :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
All DAWs work like this. That's why I used it as an example. DAWs generally work in a non destructive manner and you need to save that info for later editing. Not destructively export it without saving the whole project. 2D image editing has many non destructive aspects. DAWs have lots of tracks

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ryan Stark wrote: DAWs have lots of tracks which can be equated to Gimp's layers. They even have layers inside tracks ;-) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:43 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: I use .xcf files but my friends, my family members and most people, I think, don't use .xcf. They need an image editor, not an xcf editor. People will leave the world of free software to turn to proprietary. Gimp is no longer

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
I see all this critique as completely ridiculous. That's why I posted about it. Gimp is a professional level app and it's free. What more do people want? I use Gimp for painting purposes so I end up with complex Gimp projects with many layers etc so the new save or export makes total sense. I

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Budig
Ryan Stark (efflux...@googlemail.com) wrote: This is a superb feature. You can buy a little MIDI controller with lots of knobs and sliders. VASTLY superior to sliders on graphics tablets. Yay! Somebody is using this feature! :-) Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread jfrazierjr
I use .xcf files but my friends, my family members and most people, I think, don't use .xcf. Yes, I think you have just about FINALLY hit the point. I am NOT a developer for GIMP, but I am enthusiastically in support of this new change so that I CANNOT loose my multi-layer composition

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
The basic problem appears to be that casual users of Gimp who just want to open an image, edit then save it back to the original format don't really seem to understand the .xfc format and what that does. If they spent a few minutes investigating that they would understand the change instead of

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 03:50 PM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote: I use .xcf files but my friends, my family members and most people, I think, don't use .xcf. Yes, I think you have just about FINALLY hit the point. I am NOT a developer for GIMP, but I am enthusiastically in support of this new change so

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-12-12 10:36]: Do you really use it ? Ergonomically speaking, Gimp is now an xcf editor. s/is now/has always been/ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album:

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:35 PM, maderios wrote: Free Software philosophy is opening, not closing. About GNU/Linux philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar The GIMP philosophy is less talking, more doing. This whole thread is against it. The change won't be

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
Do you really use it ? Ergonomically speaking, Gimp is now an xcf editor. Gimp is an image editor that can import or export whatever you want but has it's own savable format for all the layers and other data to store for later editing. Hence the differentiation of saving and exporting. Print

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:34:07 +0200 From: mader...@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints Most software, digikam, phot$p, firefox, avidemux, libreoffice, doesnt work like gimp but with standard way. Greetings -- Maderios No,

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ken Warner
It's not logical to save a whole session if all one does is touch up a jpeg file. On the other hand, for people who do complicated image building over many sessions, it makes sense to save a project and in that case it would be logical to have an option that allows gimp to open the previous

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
It's not logical to save a whole session if all one does is touch up a jpeg file. No, so then the logical thing is to export. Why is this such a problem? Export is separated from save dialog to make it difficult to accidentally lose you data. If you accidentally save to xcf rather than export

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ken Warner
Should GIMP be dumbed down for people who are too stupid to save their work? As said before, there are many different ways to implement the New; Open; Save; Save As...; sequence so that all users can feel comfortable with the interaction and all users can be given the maximum security for

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
Now that's a really neat idea. What (affordable) MIDI controller do you like? I use a Korg NanoKontrol. The one here with the sliders and knobs: http://www.korg.co.uk/products/software_controllers/nano2/sc_nano2.php I'm not sure how much it is but it's cheap compared to what there used to be.

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 05:37 PM, Ken Warner wrote: It's not logical to save a whole session if all one does is touch up a jpeg file. On the other hand, for people who do complicated image building over many sessions, it makes sense to save a project and in that case it would be logical to have an option

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Ken Warner wrote: As said before, there are many different ways to implement the New; Open; Save; Save As...; sequence so that all users can feel comfortable with the interaction and all users can be given the maximum security for their work. Nothing works for

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Erik Johansson
Hello, evryone. I agree with what Ryan is saying. It took a little to get used to the new way of saving and exporting, but it is not more cumbersome than any other program. Kind regrads Erik Johansson, Sweden -- From: Ryan Stark

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Ken Warner
Exactly! On 9/12/2012 9:40 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Ken Warner wrote: As said before, there are many different ways to implement the New; Open; Save; Save As...; sequence so that all users can feel comfortable with the interaction and all users can be

Re: [Gimp-user] Save Export Complaints

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Mohler
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: The first rule to know when editing an image is to save your work as you go along. When you drive a car you look ahead, not behind, you watch the road... It's the same principle : security. If people knew that, this annoying

[Gimp-user] MIDI controllers for controlling brush size and colors [was: Save Export Complaints]

2012-09-12 Thread yahvuu
Hello Ryan, Am 12.09.2012 15:25, schrieb Ryan Stark: [..] Gimp can be hooked up to a MIDI controller for controlling brush sizes or anything else. This is a superb feature. You can buy a little MIDI controller with lots of knobs and sliders. VASTLY superior to sliders on graphics tablets.

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sep 12, 2012 5:56 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover

[Gimp-user] Print shops file formats

2012-09-12 Thread Steve Kinney
On 09/12/2012 09:50 AM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote: [...] Ask how many print shops support psd files but not xcf? I would bet that number would be 20:1 and one way to change that would be to try to push the xcf usage among professional artists who use such print shops far more than the