Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]: > Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new > laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems > that can be installed without disabling said locks, and they are signed by > microsoft. That is sad

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 14:16]: > > Women are smarter to choose activities that are more visually creative > > or beautiful or have comfortable life style. It does not look > > appealing to sit in corners and code on computer. They will sooner or > > later find out what they are

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:00]: > Purism do not respect users’ freedom: > https://libreboot.org/faq.html#will-the-purism-laptops-be-supported > > Actually they “disable” it, but since it’s proprietary software, down to the > cpu, and it still runs proprietary software, you

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:10]: > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:05:02 CET, vous avez écrit : > > Myself I do not see any real problem in gender cap, as it is something > > one cannot really control. It indicates that society's type and its > > culture is generaly to blame for

Re: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org is premoderated

* Dora Scilipoti [2019-10-30 04:37]: > Hello, > > almost five days after submitting my request for subscription, it was > finally approved. And a few hours before the approval happened, the > moderation rules were updated with yet more restrictions, and this > particular point: > > Tue, 29 Oct

Re: to what extent is the gnu project philosophical?

ir own locations. Free software projects may be as simple as: 1. Print or photocopy flyer from http://en.windows7sins.org/flyer.pdf for 500 times. 2. Distribute to students in your university. 3. Place posters. 4. Inform local government decision makers to replace proprietary with free software, tell them why. Invent a project, and do. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

for any kind of coerced social contract in GNU. It worked well without it for decades. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Florian Weimer [2019-11-02 02:47]: > * Jean Louis: > > > But if you do so, then you are allowing one new direction in the GNU > > project, that everyone involved in the GNU project should go around > > GNU contributors and whoever else is related and connected to GNU t

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

If censored, this message will be published. If you are thinking of censoring, instead, ask me and propose me which politically incorrect sentences to delete from here. Please don't send my nonsensical denigrating comments how I shall "calm down" or "think". Thank you censor. * Sandra Loosemore

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-01 20:30]: > Thank you for your answer, > > Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 18:37:54 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > > That was a statement that was created, people from various parts of > > the world cannot possibly make a joint s

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-01 17:45]: > This might be a good point. However, for the sake of correctness, note this > is a joint statement of GNU *maintainers*. It would be good to avoid generalization. That was a statement that was created, people from various parts of the world

Re: to what extent is the gnu project philosophical?

* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-02 02:21]: > On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 07:09:46PM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > > The FSF is also a charity collecting donations and running servers and so on > > for GNU, so it is very practical indeed. The latter could maybe move to GNU > > proper, with the former needing

Re: List posting rules

* Marcel [2019-11-02 22:11]: > On 11/3/19 2:01 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > > I have indicated to Marcel that if he wishes to repost messages > > for review that the moderators (4 of us) are willing to review it > > again. > > You censored twelve of my messages. And 27 of mine. 12 you, 27 of

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-02 17:04]: > Thanks for saying so clearly what I believe many of us feel. Comments on Internet clearly show that only minority of those who you generalize as "many of us" believe that. By using generalization you are inflating the number of people. It is simply

Re: to what extent is the gnu project philosophical?

My opinion on that: * Ludovic Courtès [2019-11-03 17:37]: > To what extent is the success of GNU, a project with thousands of > volunteers, due to the dedication of a single person? You imply with "single person" to be Dr. Richard Stallman. It is evident that many people participated and

Re: List posting rules

ration, and I call it biased censorship. I wish to see more moderation in the manner of a...@gnu.org, he makes it specific and public, and people do tend to agree and go back to the true discussion. Your way of moderation is not well developed moderation. Take critics and recognize that when people speak about your moderation that something must be wrong there. Try to improve. Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: List posting rules

Mark, those are just generalizations, if you wish to minimize flames, minimize it from your stand point without inflating accusations. Real moderation is public, it is not censorship. Censorship does not allow people to see information. That is what you do. In same cases of profanity I would

Re: List posting rules

* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-03 14:58]: > On Sun, 2019-11-03 at 11:52 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Jean Louis, le dim. 03 nov. 2019 11:02:38 +0100, a ecrit: > > > All of those messages were censored in a biased impartial way, as they > > > allowed other side to t

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-11 04:35]: > I was going to give the example of X Window System and TeX as > official graphical interface and typesetter, yet less GNU and not > managed by GNU ^^ They’re not GNU packages. > > The maintaining rules you quoted apply to maintainers as

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

Dear Akira, あなたのメッセージは大歓迎です. Welcome. * Akira Urushibata [2019-11-08 05:27]: > Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice > is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society, > especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists

Re: Is negative publicity always harmful? - I support RMS' past pro-paedo statements

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-08 19:14]: > For those unaware: most mailing software can “filter” mails so you don’t see > them, and they end up deleted or as spam [0]. > > To help filtering him, here some mail address he publicly used so far: > , , > (source [1]). > > Also, as he

Re: Why fewer contributors to GNU? They have to reveal identity and assign copyright

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 16:56]: > > That is not quite so. In America country it is possible to use pen names. > > Why is it specific to ‘America country’ (whatever it is)? I meant USA. You are right, probably other countries also allow pen-name copyrights. When

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* John Wiegley [2019-11-05 23:26]: > He’s correct, I do not share the GNU philosophy, even if I enjoy > supporting the technical aspects of the software they produce. Yet you do allow as Emacs maintainer publishing of free software improvements into Emacs? That implies you do share one big

Re: Why fewer contributors to GNU? They have to reveal identity and assign copyright

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-06 03:14]: > It’s natural to generalize, problem when generalization actually (linearly/ > monodimensionally) hierarchize people and becomes part of division culture or > oppression. It may be natural and human. But it is not rational, and what I mean is

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-06 01:35]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > Yet you do allow as Emacs maintainer publishing of free software > > improvements into Emacs? > > publishing … into Emacs > > into > > What? > > I suppose, youʼd

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 23:57]: > Andreas Enge wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 11:13:57PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > >> > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts on > >> > any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-11 14:50]: > Hi Brandon, > > On Fri, 2019-11-08 at 16:36 +, Brandon Invergo wrote: > > A social contract is only a necessity in a community-run organization > > because it helps prevent the organization from moving off-course. When > > the moral compass of the

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

to force maintainers to your world view with a total disregard for their opinions." -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 23:57]: > Andreas Enge wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 11:13:57PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > >> > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts on > >> > any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-05 23:57]: > Hi John, > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 01:39:46PM -0800, John Wiegley wrote: > > He’s correct, I do not share the GNU philosophy, even if I enjoy > > supporting the technical aspects of the software they produce. > > Boo! If you are not with us, then you are

Re: Is negative publicity always harmful?

* Thompson [2019-11-06 14:01]: > Hello moderators, > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > there has been NO problematic behavior by RMS. You would never have > > survived 30+ years in the spotlight like he has. He has been rock solid > > and saying otherwise don't give

Reasons for GNU governance to avoid public shamings is to encourage contributions

Main reason to disapprove public shamings on GNU and Guix pages is the purpose to encourage contributions by everybody without discrimination, see: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html Quote: == Purpose The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes to

Re: What is governance and to whom would it extend to in the GNU Project?

ish to say that public image is important, then public shamings on Guix pages is causing the Streisand effect and has absolutely no use for GNU project and does not do well to Guix community. Several people already withdrawn their contributions to Guix due to that. Jean 2019-11-06 * Jean Louis [2019-1

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

* Andreas Enge [2019-11-06 10:34]: > Hello, > > starting with the subject of your message, it conflates two completely > unrelated concepts: a social contract, which is a mission statement and > statement of the general principles of an organisation, as well with respect > to the inner workings

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Andreas Enge [2019-11-06 09:57]: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 01:56:15AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > > Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of > > formalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by > > inventing ideology-driven ‘contracts’.

GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus "social contract" or Codes of Conduct

If we would all consider the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines, there would be few of raised emotions and flames. Yet it is not easy to do so. After the review of: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html I can tell that I do share these thoughts, while in same time I find it

Re: Enlightenment (Was: A GNU “social contract”?)

Hello Andreas, * Andreas Enge [2019-11-07 11:12]: > > In that sense, I understand the last paragraph of our open letter as > an invitation to put enlightenment into practice: "We think it is > now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the > organization of the project." Overcome

Re: Will RMS be back to Programming now?

Dear Nala, Greetings to China. I am eating here with chopsticks... * Nala Ginrut [2019-11-07 15:03]: > > Hi Jean! > > Yes, I totally agreed. And I actually meant RMS's health status, > personally I don't think the fame was hurt by the recent comments > misinterpretation or even the previous

Re: Is negative publicity always harmful?

* Thompson [2019-11-06 15:37]: > Hello again, moderators, > > I am asking you to place Jean Louis on moderation. I will give you > some context in case you are unaware of their behavior: > > Jean Louis has been a consistently bad actor since the publishing of > the state

Women activists in bashing Windows

I can see here women activists on the FSF event to put Windows into trash: https://ftp.gnu.org/pub/video/FSF_event.ogv while promoting Windows 7 Sins: The case against Microsoft and proprietary software http://en.windows7sins.org/ Sadly there was just one cute gnu... which probably is missing its

Re: Need of ‘stubborn governance’

* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-31 21:40]: >Whatʼs about Readline and Tivoization, though? > > With Readline I was refering to how GNU clisp used readline, and was > subsequently released under the GNU GPL. With Tivoization I was > refering to how, and why the GNU GPL version 3 came to be under

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

* Akira Urushibata [2019-11-12 15:09]: > On Saturday I attended an open source event in Fukuoka, western > Japan. I visited the booth of an organization named LinuC which > conducts exams and issues certificates to those who pass. > > I had glanced through at one of the textbooks they

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

sons of mob justice. Non-profits such as FSF, and also unincorporated associations such as GNU project, can have their internal justice systems totally different to government, and such system shall not be based or founded on any principles that allow mob justice to take place. Jean Louis

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt. - Why fewer contributors?

Religion, politics, and mentalities of various countries are not subject of GNU free operating system and development of software. Yet all of those subjects can benefit and get use of free software philosophy and free software. * gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:56]: > Reasons fewer men

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

* Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> [2019-11-08 09:02]: > Of course even just a mildly sophisticated computer user knows that > a web browser or text editor isn't part of a single monolithic system > program, even if the pieces are all from Microsoft; users know that >

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]: > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now > even > more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated > to) GNU. At least Wikipedia says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME "GNOME is part of

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 23:33]: > Le dimanche 10 novembre 2019 18:40:20 CET, vous avez écrit : > > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]: > > > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now > > > even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

tween "free software" and "open source". And such people shall be making and organizing free software speeches. Handbooks could be distributed to volunteers all over the world with presentations and supporting files and fliers so that free software speeches can take place si

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-27 16:33]: > Then we can write that in a GNU social contract, instead of having to > rely on stubborn governance. Stubborn governance or however you name it is still successful governance. -- Thanks, Jean Louis P.S. I would like that you give

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

FDL was well formed document, legally well thought. It can be subject of discussions, but only if you are lawyer and have legal opinion on that, then I would give to such statements "invariant is not free" much more weight. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

. Footnotes: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

ght thing to do, join, participate and promote. In that sense it has much better survival chances than by having any kind of constitution or becoming again "organization" within limits and boundaries of a local laws, such as one State within United States or one country or government. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

> don't carer anymore. If you don't like how he does things, I would > suggest you find other organizations or project to work on. Well said, thank you. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority (of the ruler, or to the decision of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights or maintenance of the social order." -- thus I would not like to invite people to GNU project with any type of a French based middle-aged surrendering of their freedoms to whatever authority of small group of people who are now proposing the "GNU Social Contract". -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

ance to proprietary software. Stallman is kind person. He said in "Words to Avoid" to avoid them. But he does not use them. He knows that changes in language and behavior need some time, and is not coercing people into that. If you ask me, leadership of GNU project shall never use those words and shall swear or promise to keep and apply the free software philosophy as written by Dr. Richard Stallman. It is very simple. Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

cumentation. We are not going to reach > agreement on these points any time soon. Could you please give me references to it? I am genuinely interested where? -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: emailselfdefense.fsf.org indirectly recommends a proprietary service through the new Enigmail defaults

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-28 15:21]: > Even if FSF, like Werner Koch , believes that there is > nothing wrong ethically with steering users to an isolated > proprietary service, the guide is simply incorrect factually. Do you refer to online service? Are not all websites

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

be loyal to the free software philosophy. GNU Project can continue without original leader for as long as its maintainers stick to free software philosophy as written by Dr. Richard Stallman. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: emailselfdefense.fsf.org indirectly recommends a proprietary service through the new Enigmail defaults

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-28 17:53]: > In particular, the SKS keyserver network — the de-facto standard for > years — is not, it is a decentralized replicated network — like > Usenet; while keys.openpgp.org, to carry on the analogy, is like > Facebook. Yes, I would say it

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-28 20:24]: > Jean Louis, le lun. 28 oct. 2019 18:06:35 +0530, a ecrit: > > Social Contract is now being discussed as something as adopted. I > > do not see it is adopted. > > Nobody said it was adopted. Nobody even said such a thing would have

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-29 00:12]: > Jean Louis, le lun. 28 oct. 2019 21:54:00 +0530, a ecrit: > > Virgin joke is a joke > > Now that I have read about it, I can definitely say that it is a > completely inappropriate joke. But I gave you the link, Russians are laughing, s

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

There was no intention and so I do not know why I am censored for "tit for tat", moderator did not say. But I don't care to be censored. It probably "offended" somebody. I guess it was a joke... hahhah * Ruben Safir [2019-10-29 01:58]: > On 10/28/19 2:41 PM, Samuel Thibaul

Re: emailselfdefense.fsf.org indirectly recommends a proprietary service through the new Enigmail defaults

* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-29 14:26]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > * Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-28 17:53]: > >> the SKS keyserver network — the de-facto standard for years — is not > >> [proprietary], it is a decentr

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Hey Samuel, Keep sending, you are welcome. * Samuel Thibault [2019-10-28 23:34]: > Jean Louis, le lun. 28 oct. 2019 21:54:00 +0530, a ecrit: > > Now you say it did not start, nobody started talking about social > > contract on this list. Huahahahhahahaha. How contradictory is

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

* DJ Delorie [2019-10-22 23:39]: > > and whoever is loyal to free software philosophy as envisioned > > by Dr. Richard Stallman, > > A constitution would describe this philosophy, though. How do we > otherwise follow what is only in one person's mind, if not by writing it > down to share?

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

* DJ Delorie [2019-10-22 23:39]: > > There is still much more to be done regarding users' freedom and human > > rights. > > I do not agree that human rights - as its own topic - belongs here, > except insofar as they directly relate to exercising the Four Freedoms. > Because software can be an

Re: [Backtotheaugust] Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

* Adrienne G. Thompson [2019-10-22 21:15]: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:16 AM František Kučera > wrote: > > > The problem with this approach is the risk of hostile takeover. There > > are corporations (e.g. those that profit from proprietary > > software/cloud) ... that have almost unlimited > >

Re: List posting rules

* Carlos O'Donell [2019-11-01 14:27]: > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 9:20 AM Dora Scilipoti wrote: > > Please note that the message posted by a woman on Oct 30 contains a > > repetition of what we all have already read on dishonest media. > > Sandra Loosemore posted her opinions for the first time.

Re: Women activists in bashing Windows

* Dora Scilipoti [2019-11-01 12:55]: > On 10/31/2019 03:05 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > > > We need more positive criticism and calls to action for women. > > Yes! > > Woman here. Leading the GNU Education Team that works towards the goal > of bringing free software to s

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:35]: > Words carry connotation, emotional charge. For instance, look at > these, that could very well be synonyms: > unstable/versatile/flexible/dynamic, stable/rigid/ static. They > could have some nuance, but in some contexts they will mean the same

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]: > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: > > Though women participate in GNU, > > are any of them fortunately software package maintainer? Unfortunately, I’m > > not sure about this :/ LibrePlanet media is good place to see that it is not male society:

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Ruben Safir [2019-11-04 06:01]: > On 11/3/19 11:51 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > > This is unkind and unconstructive. > > No it is not. It is SPOT ON and constructive. Ruben, to tell to people "sod off" is not kind as it is British slang for:

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 06:30]: > I don’t like the term “bigot”. It seems mainly used against individual, for > individual purposes. Not a very social term. I do not like “hysterical” > neither, hovewer, but I don’t want it “removed from language”, just not (at > least

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:58]: > The problem here is maybe less (or not for all) linked with > punishment than with image. It seems, in this increasingly > superficial society, people want to be proud of their celebrity for > what they symbolize instead of what they do. For

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 10:44]: > > Some people are more emotional, some less, some have > > traumas, and some don't have, we all react differently. > > Yes, but keep in mind what could be understood (in both senses: receptor and > emitter). Insult are a convention, so are all

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:25]: > Debian / Devuan installation is very quick and straight-forward, and the > package vrms (inspired by rms) allows one to check if one has non-free > packages. You can set up the full disk encryption off the bat there. In Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 12:28]: > I think women (and more generally, contributors, and stable ones) are even > too > few to see any formal preference of anybody over anybody within GNU > yet. Alexandre I understand point you wish to make. Yet when you speak of formal

Re: Support for RMS and criticism of the bottom-up/social contract power grab attempt.

* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 11:52]: > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit : > > * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]: > > > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30: > > > > Though women participate in GNU, > > > > are any of them fortunately software package

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

* DJ Delorie [2020-02-11 23:26]: > > a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > You make the incorrect assumption that the health of the GNU project > > should be measured in how many new projects are adopted or released -- > > instead of what our goal is to provide a free operating system. >

Re: [r...@gnu.org: What's GNU -- and what's not]

* Federico Leva (Nemo) [2020-02-09 11:07]: > I'd like to stress a passage which made me think quite a bit: > > > We have never > > pressed contributors to endorse the GNU Project philosophy, or any > > other philosophical views, because people are welcome to contribute to > > GNU regardless of

Re: What's GNU -- and what's not

cially affiliated to GNU - your website is not unofficially affiliated to GNU - owners of the website are conducting fraudulent misrepresentations of GNU project -- Thanks, Jean Louis P.S. I am also maintaining domain with "GNU" inside, and we are publishing on each page that "We are not

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

* fredoma...@free.fr [2020-02-08 10:07]: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to > declare my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of > women in GNU. I am for example quite surprised that (as far as I > saw) only one or two women contributed to this

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

ject follow the leadof other free software projects? It is not visible from your message. Which are specific other free software projects? And which specific software project do you think GNU should adopt? Do you know that each software author is free to apply to GNU projects for software to become part of the GNU? -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

* Mark Wielaard [2020-02-29 02:39]: > Of course the FSF is involved in GNU governance. They raise money in > the name of GNU, we assign copyright to the FSF, they hold all our > assets, and they keep lists of people who may use those resources for > which purposes. First there was RMS, then GNU,

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

* Andreas R. [2020-01-29 07:01]: > "This Code of Conduct applies within all community spaces, and also > applies when an individual is officially representing the community > in public spaces. Examples of representing our community include > using an official e-mail address, posting via an

Re: code of conduct, or code of rights?

* Daniel Pocock [2020-02-05 22:00]: > > This is very relevant to discussions about a Code of Conduct > > The acid attack is also an interesting metaphor for what people have > done to RMS, the attempts to associate him with villains, etc > >

Re: about the GNU promise

* Benno Schulenberg [2020-02-05 08:36]: > > Hi all, > > Maintainer of GNU nano talking here. I haven't followed the whole discussion, > but I've peeked at some of the archived emails, and was disheartened by the > tone and attitude in some of them. :| > > Anyway... I've carefully read

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

totally in disagreement with one group or goals of the group, then why not make one's own?! It is unbelievable, as so many GNU distributions are out there, people initiated them themselves when they got idea they have the freedom. Yet some people are directly wanting to destroy the original GNU project. I say, unbelievable. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

personal drama. Again -- I am inviting you to look into other valuable activities that may contribute to pleasure and joy in life. Something constructive. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

* Ruben Safir [2020-01-28 20:30]: > On 1/28/20 1:03 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Namecheap, and likely most domain services, automatically block all > > personal information by default. Protecting users' privacy is in line > > with GNU standards. Attempting to expose people's hidden private > >

Re: Endorsement of the GNU Social Contract

* Andrej Shadura [2020-02-17 22:41]: > I, the maintainer of package GNU indent, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU > Social Contract, available at: > Please, that subject is not related to GNU, it is political group of people who would like to get

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

* J.B. Nicholson [2020-02-17 08:39]: > Ruben Safir wrote: > > Nobody but Stallman can do what he does, as a spokeman, and strategic > > planner to protect end users from the abuses of non-free software. > > If that's true then everything RMS headed up is in deep trouble. That is generalization,

Re: GNU Social Contract version 1.0

t if your website have been already rejected by GNU project, as people may think that "we" relate to official GNU, which is not the case. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

does also have some more releases at > http://www.moria.de/~michael/diction/ > But it isn't really clear how you would know that. File a bug with GNU Diction. > Thanks for collecting it all. And I hope people will look at it and > sent in updates where possible. Please file a bug with the appropriate parties. -- Thanks, Jean Louis

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

* Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> [2020-02-16 23:17]: > On 2020-02-16 11:42, Ruben Safir wrote: > > Richard Stallman was bullied from his position at MIT and FSF and the > > FSF should take the couragous move of reinstating Richard as President > > of the FSF > > The FSF

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

* Samuel Thibault [2020-02-22 12:51]: > Really, not including the next generations in a project is running the > risk of the project just dying with its leaders. I can see great bunch of disrespect there. I am born in place where our parents teach us good manners. Jean

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

* Ludovic Courtès [2020-02-22 20:42]: > Hi Alex, > > Alex Taylor skribis: > > > Recently we have been "invited" to approve a thing which is being called > > the "social contract". > > I don’t think you have been invited to anything since you’re not in the > ‘maintainers’ file. > > I’m fine

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

* Andreas Enge [2020-02-22 22:49]: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:26:22AM -0800, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) > wrote: > > On 2020-02-22 01:22, Andreas Enge wrote: > > > And another ad-hominem attack. Can you substantiate the claim of us > > > being > > > powermongers? > > > >

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

* Ludovic Courtès [2020-02-23 00:05]: > Hello Eli, > > Eli Zaretskii skribis: > > > I always thought that maintaining a GNU project according to the > > guidelines I was communicated when I was appointed _is_ upholding GNU > > values, that it's all there is in upholding them, as applied to my

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

* Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> [2020-02-23 00:30]: > On 2020-02-22 12:50, Jean Louis wrote: > > * Samuel Thibault [2020-02-22 23:45]: > > > Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss), le sam. 22 févr. 2020 10:22:55 > > > -0800, a ecrit: > >

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