On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Robin Netherton wrote:
If anyone out there has been to my lectures, and also has a scanner...
I have what I need now. Many thanks to those who wrote!
--Robin
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If anyone out there has been to my lectures, and also has a scanner and
would be willing to scan something for me, could you please e-mail me
directly?
(It's obvious when I'm working on an article. I keep interrupting the list
with frantic pleas for help finding things.)
--Robin
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
I am considering ordering a photocopy of
Romanesque-Byzantine Elements in French and English Dress 1050-1180 by
Jennifer Harris. Univ. Manchester Ph.D Thesis (1977)
Has anyone seen/read this Thesis?
I haven't seen the thesis and can't
My librarian friend alerted me to this:
Vicente, Marta V. Clothing the Spanish Empire : families and the calico
trade in the early modern Atlantic world / Marta V. Vicente. (The
Americas in the early modern Atlantic world) Palgrave Macmillan.
1403972265. 9781403972262. R2-623549. 2006. US.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Helen Pinto wrote:
I have a facsimile (pre-photocopies) made by a friend at the Library of
Congress in the early 70's. There is no date on the frontispiece, but
it was published by J M Dent and Sons, Ltd, London, and the preface
by Norris is dated 1924.
I've written
Does anyone on the list have in their own collection a copy of the
original editions of Herbert Norris's Costume Fashion, vol. 2 (Senlac
to Bosworth, 1066-1485) -- as opposed to the Dover reprint?
I need to compare a passage in two printings: 1927 and 1931.
The Dover reprint is supposedly a
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Jean Waddie wrote:
These make me wonder whether the supposedly square / rectangular waist
aprons, without a separate waistband, are extended in a similar way to
provide ties. You need an extremely large square to be able to just
tie the corners around your waist. But
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Jean Waddie wrote:
I can see that for the narrow ones that hang flat. But can you
reproduce the look of the ones that pull and drape, like the Bakery
and Buttermaking ones? I find it particularly interesting that these
don't seem to tie around the actual waist, but
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Colleen McDonald wrote:
I just got an email from Michael Shamansky announcing:
Title: Medieval Dress and Fashion
Author: SCOTT, MARGARET
Has anyone heard early buzz on this book? It's been a while since I've
seen anything from Margaret Scott, so I'm curious.
The
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Saragrace Knauf wrote:
Do you mean the whole bum roll, or just the pieces? I am assuming you
mean the pieces'cause this roll looks pretty much the same size
all the way round
My impression was that it protruded less in the front than in the back,
but I may have
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
Sometimes you see a criss-cross pattern in styles that are normally
associated with spiral lacing (e.g. 14th century fitted dresses). In
the cases I'm thinking of, this is not done with a modern criss-cross,
but with two spirals going in
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Sue Clemenger wrote:
I've got a friend with some books that have images of brasses--I'll check
those out. Mostly what I've got, myself, is a moderately bad reprint of the
Tres Rich Heures, which I'll use if I have to;o)
If you ILL one book, let it be Margaret
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Alexandria Doyle wrote:
German Ladies were wearing them in the 16th century. Not neccessarily the
beginning, but a point to start from.
They're in the Luttrell Psalter, early 1300s.
--Robin
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Sue Clemenger wrote:
I'm in the early stages of thinking about undertaking a houp...like,
in a year or so, predicated, of course, on the theory that I'll
actually have built the correct garments to go *underneath* by then!
;o) I've been wondering, though...when did they
As De has already shown, you can find all sorts of lacing patterns over
the course of the Middle Ages and Renaissance, particularly if you look at
a variety of fashions and in different places and times. But that doesn't
justify using different patterns interchangeably; each type of lacing
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Saragrace Knauf wrote:
I started with a softly stuffed tube which gave a reasonable
silhouette, but I'd like to hear what you have been successful with.
Robin? I know you have done this - but didn't see any construction
details in your posts.
Odd, I thought I had
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Kate M Bunting wrote:
Sounds plausible to me, but I didn't think anything was known about
Mary's family except from medieval legend? Was the author referring to
them having to go to Bethlehem because Joseph's ancestors came from
there?
No idea. I remember the family
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Penny Ladnier wrote:
When is Costume Con coming back to the East Coast? I have always wanted to
go, but traveling for a long distance is a problem.
CC26 will be April 25-28, 2008, in San Jose.
CC27 will be in May 2009 in Baltimore, MD -- not too far from you, Penny.
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Ann Catelli wrote:
Here's the relevant quote from:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=49chapter=2version=31
Including the bit which your source says may have been
tweaked quite a bit:
...
So, according to Luke, no Marian connections in
Bethlehem.
Perhaps
Following up my own post -- a quick Google, as often happens, is enough to
shed light. Apparently this idea of the guest room with the manger has
been around for a while; some of the citations I'm seeing are to papers
from the 1970s and 1980s. Here are a couple of nice summary pages:
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Kate Pinner wrote:
Dental floss also is great for buttons for stage -- almost totally
actor-proof!
Nothing like it to hold heavy cartridge-pleated skirts, too. I did one in
pink once, for which I used cinnamon-flavored floss!
--Robin
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we're talking about ancient costume, and somebody mentioned
Jewish, does anybody know any reliable books on Biblical costume? I've
always wanted to sculpt a Nativity scene, but I have no idea as to
what appropriate costumes would look like.
I was going to respond to this as part of my previous post, but it seemed
to deserve its own subject line...
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robin, I intend to be at CostumeCon for your lecture, but I haven't
registered yet. I hope there's still room; I'm really excited about
it!
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, E House wrote:
I'd say let's all figure out a way to meet up while we're there, but I
expect we'll all be meeting in Robin's classes, anyway!
Y'know, the obvious thing would be for the h-cost people to meet either
before my official class time, or during the lunch break. I
A little prowling online turned up a teaching package from the Petrie
museum that includes a photo and description of the bead-net dress (among
many other items) and detailed directions for making one. I'm sure that
the directions are modernized, but they're complex enough they clearly
aren't
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Penny Ladnier wrote:
Robin, is the dress you are describing on this page?
http://www.everythingcher.com/pages/gal1970.htm Click on the thumbnail
to the far right under the large photo... cream outfit. It has a tied
knot at her throat.
No, but that's cool too ... No,
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006, Linda Rice wrote:
Robin, the only thing that comes to my mind of a dress that wraps around
the neck and covers the breast was that weird swan dress that Bjork
wore a couple of years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rk (scroll down to bottom for
pic)
Yes,
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
Looking through The Corset from Valerie Steele, I came to an
interesting question. There's a picture on the side 7, a Jean Fouquet
painting of Agnes Sorel as the Virgin Mary (second half of the 15c):
No idea why my post showed up FOUR times. Sorry.
--R.
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006, Melody Watts wrote:
This kinda sounds like the costumes that were so prevalent on the
original STAR TREK series femme fatales there were lots of
breast cup/halter top things on the show to look futuristic
...maybe the magazine was a TV guide of the show.
Good
Once -- probably in the late 70s but maybe the early 80s -- I saw a
picture of a really over-the-top outrageous gown. My memory, all these
years, has been that it was Cher wearing something by Mackie on the cover
of Time.
I had occasion to try to hunt up that image, and I find out that although
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, Carol Kocian wrote:
Ok, that is very obvious. I see again that there are more
eyelets than are being used by the lace. What's going on there - some
kind of lace shortage? It's not a get dressed fast scene, and also
wouldn't that side lace be for adjustment
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote:
If I recall correctly, through the mists of time and cold medicine ;o), I
remember you pointing out (at the workshop in Boise) that the different
silhouettes we were coming up with during the fittings were appropriate to
different decades/time
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, MaggiRos wrote, regarding
http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1475-80ValeriusMaximus.jpg
Is that really a pleated ruffle at the bottom of the undergown?
This subject has come up before, as these wide hem-band-things are not an
uncommon feature in 15th c. art. What they are is
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, E House wrote:
The fit of the supportive gown/GFD in the mid late 15thC is
different than in the 14thC early 15thC.
Yes indeed.
I should note that the term GFD seems to be applied much more broadly
these days than I ever intended when I began lecturing on the Gothic
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something I do see, however, is some gowns have something under
the lacings, or another colored gown under the laced gown. You show
some that are deliberatly widely spead as a style feature. But it
fits with MM being shown in undress.
Some
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way, was there such thing as a maternity dress in either
this or the GFD era? Or did women loosen and adjust what they had?
I haven't made a definitive search, but this is something I would have
noticed if I had ever run across a
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, E House wrote:
As Carol also notes, some of Elena's images are in fact of Mary Magdalen
or other saints, and so can't be used to determine general usage outside
of Magdalen (or saint) figures.
Absolutely. I included them for two reasons: first, since the
painting
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, Lalah wrote:
I mailed mine on the 7th (the day before the deadline) and received
one last week. I tried to put that information on the list but got a
message from the list manager saying it was an inappropriate subject.
Since others are mentioning theirs now, maybe
And as long as we're now posting ...
My exchange partner picked up on two of the things I mentioned that I
collect, and sent me (1) a wonderful brochure from a National Gallery show
on 15th c. Flemish art that I am missing (it's on till Feb. 4, 2007), and
(2) a jigsaw puzzle of a page from the
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006, E House wrote:
It might work best if there's absolutely NO secrecy about the items,
though =}
An online Yankee swap, maybe? Everyone who wants to participates names a
gift they will donate. Dawn then lines us up in random order, and each
person gets to choose a gift
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Bonnie Booker wrote:
Is there any way to get message history. There are some things I know
were discussed in the past and I would like to look at them again
without hashing it all out over again.
For older posts, go to Eric's collection of past posts, kept in text files
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Chiara Francesca wrote:
Please note that Eric did tell us that he edited the posts that are
on his archive.
Older archives are at ... ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/ches/index.html
Thanks! I'd lost that site, and couldn't find it. Glad to have it again.
--Robin
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
After all the talk about books that are delayed in publication, I thought
that I'd mention one that I've just got in today. Has anyone else seen it?
Beth
Gilding the Market: Luxury and Fashion in Fourteenth-Century Italy by Susan
Mosher
My holiday exchange gift just arrived. I haven't yet opened it, but I know
roughly what it is -- only one thing in the world makes *that* sound when
you shake it.
Friday is the first night of Chanukah, which is my family's holiday, so
I'm going to open it then, so there. I want it right now!
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Wanda Pease wrote:
Ian Stevens on David Brown book Company will change the price of The
Inventories of Henry VIII back to $72 (less than 1/2 original price) for us
short time. If you don't see it, e-mail me with your info and I will have
him get in touch. I can't
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Cat Dancer wrote:
The Castilian law specifies types of cloth (which I will have to look
up when I get home) but the London law just says 'rayed cloth'. [I
highly recommend /Governance of the consuming passions : a history of
sumptuary law/ by Alan Hunt, if you want to dig
Kathy wrote:
This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put
it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be
protected. Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that
noticeable.
Emma added:
My first thought was of some of the scabbards in
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote:
Robin, have you seen the instrument cases in the Triumph of
Maximilian series of engravings? e.g.
http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=3328201308440055 ?
Thank you! I would never have known about this.
I can come up with any number of ways
My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had
his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the
sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other
like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this.
He has a suitable costume
I wrote:
Following up my own post (below): Here's one of the images:
http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME057470.html
Elizabeth wrote:
Aha! I found another
http://homepage.mac.com/muzette/Eng.File/Art/Gallery_pages/Gallery_bal.html
it's not that big but this is the one I was
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Elizabeth Walpole wrote:
The second is a painting, all I can remember is a group of women
sitting on stools in the foreground wearing pastel colours facing away
from the viewer to look at something in the middle of the painting
(I'm thinking they are looking at a dance
probably have
some photos of it and its mate, but I haven't gotten around to indexing
all of the 500 or so slides I took in Paris ... a few years ago ... yeesh,
I will never get them all straight.
--Robin
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Robin Netherton wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Elizabeth Walpole wrote
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Sabine Pothmann wrote:
I have some questions concerning the Lady's costume in the 'A mon seul
d?sir tapestry
Replicating these costumes is an exercise in frustration because they *do*
contain many fantasy elements, and some things simply don't work out
right. The
Here's another useful page on tekhelet:
http://www.jewishweaving.com/blog/
Suddenly relevant to me as I was thinking of attending a tallit-making
class soon; my oldest son received his grandfather's tallit at his bar
mitzvah, but my youngest will need one in a couple of years, and it might
take
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ailith Mackintosh wrote:
Farah Karim-Cooper of the Globe Theatre Education dept writes:
I am currently looking for two research interns...
Well, that was fast.
This morning I forwarded that notice on request to an academic-oriented
list. I did not mention whether the
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow! This stirred up a really vague memory of an article I read,
probably 15 years ago about a special blue dye--if memory serves, it
came from the Mediterranean, and was, similar to Tyrian purple, a
shell-fish based vat dye. And it was used by
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, michaela wrote:
http://costumes.glittersweet.com/other/catwoman.htm
http://pulpspace.net.nz/joomla/index.php?option=com_exposeItemid=30
Oh my goodness, this looks brilliant! And you wear it well.
--Robin
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, LuAnn Mason wrote:
Wow. That's a smaller circumference than a roll of toilet paper.
You must use different paper than I do! You got me curious and I measured
a fresh roll -- 13.25 inches around.
--Robin
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On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote:
An idea on the so tiny waistline. I don't think it was really so
tiny for its time. Catherine was 14 years Elizabeth Tudor's senior.
Elizabeth grew to be 4'10 and weigh approximately 85 lbs. She was
not considered undersized. Assuming that Catherine
want a room at the convention hotel, it's wise to book early
for that, too.
Feel free to contact me or the convention staff with any questions.
--Robin Netherton
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Julie wrote:
I'm just finishing up a dress for my daughter. It's Italian ren,
about 1490. I'd like to turn it in as an arts project but I know the
judges will hassle me about using linen. I've been told that linen
was only for undergarments and wasn't used for outer
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, MaggiRos wrote:
Broadly, Western Europe does include Italy, simply looking left to
right in the sense of Western Civilization. It's not Eastern Europe,
surely.
Europe is indeed in the West, or the Western World, or part of Western
Civilization, as distinct from the East
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Margo Anderson wrote:
I haven't bought swimwear from them, but Land's end is usually very
good quality. I believe they have some closeout priced swimwear right
now.
I haven't bought the plus sizes, but I LOVE their swimwear -- sanely
engineered designs, good quality,
A woman in England has need of a copy of the article I wrote a few years
back on the development of Norman sleeve styles. I can send her a paper
copy, but I do not have an electronic one, and she is in haste to complete
an outfit for the Hastings celebration next week.
Does anyone have a copy of
The need has been fulfilled! Many thanks to Jean Waddie, speed-demon
scanner, and Susan and Melanie, who also offered.
--Robin
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Power suits for women? [more shoulder pads]
And bow blouses! Don't forget bow blouses! (I probably have a few still in
my closet, c. 1985.)
And preppy look, early 1980s still.
--Robin
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Cynthia J Ley wrote:
They're the same size as the typical b w marbled ones, only the
covers are black with white quadrille on the top half of the page and
ruled on the bottom half. I don't know if they come in different
colors. 100 sheets, 200 pages.
I saw some at
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel
farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls.
For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my
webpage, here:
http://www.netherton.net/robin
(Every
On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
The term wheel of whalebone, could be both a coneshaped farthingale,
and a drum shaped farthingale.
Hmm, I hadn't even thought about the cone-shaped (Spanish) farthingales.
How late were the cone-shaped farthingales worn? I had the impression
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, kelly grant wrote:
How did you build your roll/wheel in the end? I was liking the idea
of a wheel farthingale, but can't seem to get the right look yet. I
have a wheel supported by a large roll, but the outer edge collapses.
No wheel, just a roll. See more detailed
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, E House wrote:
The 'head to heeles' part does suggest a farthingale to me, I must
say, but as others have suggested, the farthingale seems like it would
be, at the least, less than fashionable in 1617
The Spanish farthingale would have been long out of style. The French
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Ailith Mackintosh wrote:
I was wondering if we're going to do a Secret Santa this year. I love
the gifts that I got last year - the most important gift being a new
friend!
If someone is willing to coordinate this, I'm in. I think it worked very
nicely last year. I'm sure
Genie wrote:
When did the drive for truly historical recreation really take off?
As I understand it in the music world, performers only started
trying to play as it was originally/meant to be played within the
last 20 to 25 years.
Is that also true for costume?
Suzi replied:
Not
Here's an uncharacteristic request.
I'm going to be speaking to my kid's elementary school class about
medieval costume, as part of a big unit they're doing on the Middle Ages.
This much I know how to do, and have done before. No problems there.
Here's the part I need help with. The class will
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I got a book a long time ago called Costume Design and Making by
Fernald and Shenton that has simple patterns for lots of costumes.
It's another Theatre Arts book so it may be very similar to Brookes
and it may still be too difficult for parents.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Kate Pinner wrote:
What is the school district like? Are there some families that feel
even $5 is too much? If so, asking for donations of plain, non
flowered, pillowcases that, with holes cut for arms and head, belted
over sweat pants -- wrap burlap around the shoes and
A couple of weeks ago I posted to this list a note about the possibility I
might give some lectures on medieval costume at CostumeCon 25 (April 2007
in St. Louis) if there were enough interest. I didn't realize till after I
posted that the note went out at a time when many people who do medieval
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since someone mentioned Aesthetic dress, I went looking at pictures,
and I think I really like it! Can anyone recommend a good book with
lots of pictures? Or, failing that, some detailed websites?
None of these are loaded with pictures, but all
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, MaggiRos wrote:
I seem to remember (long ago) someone on the list posted a website for
commercial patterns for an Aesthetic tea dress or something. Would
anyone happen to know of such a thing?
I just mentioned Folkwear, but I was wrong. The one I was thinking about
was
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, MaggiRos wrote:
I seem to remember (long ago) someone on the list posted a website for
commercial patterns for an Aesthetic tea dress or something. Would
anyone happen to know of such a thing?
I think Folkwear has one.
--Robin
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Cin wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since someone mentioned Aesthetic dress, I went looking at pictures,
and I think I really like it! Can anyone recommend a good book with
lots of pictures? Or, failing that, some detailed websites?
The
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote:
I'd say humor and satire magazines, like Punch, would have more
coverage of Aesthetic-style clothing than regular fashion magazines.
The Aesthetics weren't high fashion, they were counter-culture, the
Beatniks, Hippies, and Punks of their
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, michaela wrote:
Speaking as a very small busted woman, I have to say here the lying
down method really will not help.
It has worked when I've done it, but clearly there are other methods, as
you and Elena have indicated. I should not have implied that there's just
one way
This entire thread just dumped into my mailbox; obviously things were hung
up somewhere. I'll add a few thoughts to the various responses.
First: This is on the late side to be called a GFD, and there were a
variety of fitting techniques available at this point. It's important to
note that the
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote:
Passing thread, however, the most fragile of all the gold
threads, and the most difficult to work, is as you say, a gold foil
(lower grades have a copper core, laid with silver, laid with gold,
while better grades have a silver core
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote:
I was under the impression (perhaps misinformed, and certainly
relatively inexperienced) that a lot of opus anglicanum was couched
with silk threads.
Yes. That's what I described.
Especially when done as underside couching, which
needs a stronger
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Ailith Mackintosh wrote:
It seems that in a lot of extant garments, the protein fibers (wool
and silk) have survived, while the plant fibers have not. We can only
speculate that linen thread was used because there are stitching holes
and no thread (and it seems unlikely
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
But if you place holes even under the center front seam (that means
the holes are in place where there is no opening any more, did I get
that right?), then your method is surely easier. I actually never even
thought about placing the holes
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote:
It may not have been linen but a precious metal thread and it may have
been removed. Not sure how they could test for it though.
I have never heard of any instances in which precious metal thread is used
for structural seams. Even
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Chiara Francesca wrote:
Button holes, that is what I was referring to more than seams. I
totally misread that post then. I thought she was talking about the
button holes. :(
Yes, that would make a difference!
I am certain that she could speak to this so much better
I'm clearing things out, and came across an old white linen tablecloth and
four napkins. All have some sort of floral damask pattern (napkins are two
each of two patterns). Very worn, frayed at some edges, a number of spots
and stains. I have no use for them, and will send them to the Goodwill
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, REBECCA BURCH wrote:
What and where is Costume College? And the GenCon that everybody was
going to last week? Isn't there some big deal in Kalamazoo, MI in the
spring?
Just back from a trip and catching up, and I don't know if anyone has
answered the last part of this.
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
Unfortunately, we are not going to the UK this year, but this exhibit in
Manchester looks quite interesting:
Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote:
I also like Yahoo lists because you can drop in and read emails now
and then whenever you feel like it, without receiving messages
automatically, or you can receive them automatically if you prefer.
Yahoo also keeps archives.
H-cost is now
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote:
So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos,
computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a
substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for
everything else?
That strikes me as being more likely to
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote:
You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to
how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts
interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is
acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
I think this is an excellent idea and second Fran's recommendation
that we implement it on h-costume.
I have seen this work extraordinarily well on exactly one list -- a list
for copyeditors, who are, by definition, able to deal with
Cathy at Fashion Fabrics, here in St. Louis, tells me there are a few
spaces left in this workshop next weekend (July 15-16). It occurs to me
this announcement may not have reached the Civil War groups or any
specialty costuming lists for the 19th century -- and I don't work in that
period, so I
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
Now, back to the image you asked about. The Machaut manuscripts include
several women in surcotes. They are all on the early end of this timeline,
around 1350, and are among the evidence for the surcote being worn by
French noblewomen in this
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