[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
The replay system has been added and is now live. You can find the document on setting up a replay server herehttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22333197. Please post feedback about the system herehttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2073934. If you discover any major issues, please mail me directly at j...@valvesoftware.com. There are some UI issues at the moment, and a crash on exit that we are aware of. We are working on a patch to fix these issues, but wanted to get the system out sooner rather than later. Enjoy! -Jon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
A required update for the Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Made another pass on De_Inferno bug fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
forgot to update steam.inf ? HldsUpdateTool -command update -game Counter-Strike Source -dir . -verify_all Checking bootstrapper version ... Updating Installation Updating 'Counter-Strike Source Shared Content' from version 97 to version 98 10.71% downloading ./orangebox\cstrike\bin\server.dll 29.57% downloading ./orangebox\cstrike\bin\server.dylib 59.18% downloading ./orangebox\cstrike\bin\server.so 69.81% downloading ./orangebox\cstrike\resource\cstrike_english.txt Checking/Installing 'Base Source Shared Models' version 4 Checking/Installing 'Base Source Shared Sounds' version 4 Checking/Installing 'Base Source Shared Materials' version 8 Updating 'OB Dedicated Server' from version 71 to version 72 71.24% downloading ./orangebox\bin\adminserver.dll 71.77% downloading ./orangebox\bin\crashhandler.dll 72.21% downloading ./orangebox\bin\datacache.dll 73.87% downloading ./orangebox\bin\dedicated.dll 81.04% downloading ./orangebox\bin\engine.dll 81.25% downloading ./orangebox\bin\inputsystem.dll 83.08% downloading ./orangebox\bin\materialsystem.dll 83.28% downloading ./orangebox\bin\parsifal.dll 83.43% downloading ./orangebox\bin\scenefilecache.dll 83.61% downloading ./orangebox\bin\shaderapiempty.dll 83.85% downloading ./orangebox\bin\soundemittersystem.dll 84.15% downloading ./orangebox\bin\stdshader_dbg.dll 84.59% downloading ./orangebox\bin\stdshader_dx6.dll 84.91% downloading ./orangebox\bin\stdshader_dx7.dll 85.57% downloading ./orangebox\bin\stdshader_dx8.dll 86.56% downloading ./orangebox\bin\stdshader_dx9.dll 94.59% downloading ./orangebox\bin\steamclient.dll 95.41% downloading ./orangebox\bin\studiorender.dll 95.84% downloading ./orangebox\bin\tier0.dll 96.35% downloading ./orangebox\bin\tier0_s.dll 96.98% downloading ./orangebox\bin\vgui2.dll 98.65% downloading ./orangebox\bin\vphysics.dll 98.97% downloading ./orangebox\bin\vstdlib.dll 99.76% downloading ./orangebox\bin\vstdlib_s.dll 100.00% downloading ./orangebox\srcds.exe HLDS installation up to date On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for the Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Made another pass on De_Inferno bug fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source Beta is now available. Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates. The specific changes include: - Fixed performance issues and memory leaks related to scoreboard display. - Fixed long-standing bug in which a player would see another player in a grenade-throwing animation when they no longer had a grenade as their active weapon. - Fixed animation problem (crab walk) caused by aborting bomb plant by using the drop command. - Fixed several ragdoll animation problems related to cl_minmodels. - Fixed several crashes that could be caused by user modified .res files. - Run sounds are no longer heard from players walking with the Scout equipped. - Player's last match stats will no longer be updated if the player did not actually participate in the match (e.g. only spectated). - Flagged bot_mimic and bot_flipout as CHEAT vars. - Fixed Cold War achievement so that it now requires the correct number of opposing players. - Fixed hud_showtargetid; added hud_showtargetpos for setting the on-screen location of the targeted. - Fixed bug in which the client camera would jump to another player if the player died when mp_fadetoblack is enabled. - Removed extraneous/incorrect help text for nightvision goggles. - Fixed bug in which the spectator UI would disappear after a mode switch or similar renderer change. - Changed the size of the bomb icon on the spectator UI Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update
I see no servers on the Server Browser and an updated server says it's out of date. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source Beta is now available. Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates. The specific changes include: - Fixed performance issues and memory leaks related to scoreboard display. - Fixed long-standing bug in which a player would see another player in a grenade-throwing animation when they no longer had a grenade as their active weapon. - Fixed animation problem (crab walk) caused by aborting bomb plant by using the drop command. - Fixed several ragdoll animation problems related to cl_minmodels. - Fixed several crashes that could be caused by user modified .res files. - Run sounds are no longer heard from players walking with the Scout equipped. - Player's last match stats will no longer be updated if the player did not actually participate in the match (e.g. only spectated). - Flagged bot_mimic and bot_flipout as CHEAT vars. - Fixed Cold War achievement so that it now requires the correct number of opposing players. - Fixed hud_showtargetid; added hud_showtargetpos for setting the on-screen location of the targeted. - Fixed bug in which the client camera would jump to another player if the player died when mp_fadetoblack is enabled. - Removed extraneous/incorrect help text for nightvision goggles. - Fixed bug in which the spectator UI would disappear after a mode switch or similar renderer change. - Changed the size of the bomb icon on the spectator UI Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update
I just updated my CS:S beta server. 75.126.191.58:27017 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:46 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: I see no servers on the Server Browser and an updated server says it's out of date. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source Beta is now available. Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates. The specific changes include: - Fixed performance issues and memory leaks related to scoreboard display. - Fixed long-standing bug in which a player would see another player in a grenade-throwing animation when they no longer had a grenade as their active weapon. - Fixed animation problem (crab walk) caused by aborting bomb plant by using the drop command. - Fixed several ragdoll animation problems related to cl_minmodels. - Fixed several crashes that could be caused by user modified .res files. - Run sounds are no longer heard from players walking with the Scout equipped. - Player's last match stats will no longer be updated if the player did not actually participate in the match (e.g. only spectated). - Flagged bot_mimic and bot_flipout as CHEAT vars. - Fixed Cold War achievement so that it now requires the correct number of opposing players. - Fixed hud_showtargetid; added hud_showtargetpos for setting the on-screen location of the targeted. - Fixed bug in which the client camera would jump to another player if the player died when mp_fadetoblack is enabled. - Removed extraneous/incorrect help text for nightvision goggles. - Fixed bug in which the spectator UI would disappear after a mode switch or similar renderer change. - Changed the size of the bomb icon on the spectator UI Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta is now available. The specific changes include: - Optimizations to multi-core rendering Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated
That's quite the list of updates. Thanks. :) Nice to see CS:S being worked on after so long. Especially that invalid RCON crash being fixed not too long ago. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Fixed a bug where the player crouching/standing animations were delayed until after (from the player's local viewpoint). - Changed the way that scope zooming works so that it is no longer affected by client-server latency, and zooming begins immediately for the local player. This fixes an issue that would give an advantage to lower ping players and penalize higher ping players. - Fixed animation problem caused by aborting bomb plant by switching weapons (crab walk). - Crosshairs now have customizable size, thickness, and color: - cl_crosshairsize specifies the size of the crosshair in pixels at 640x480 resolution - cl_crosshairthickness specifies the thickness of the crosshair in pixels at 640x480 resolution - The crosshair now scales proportionately for all screen resolutions. This replaces the old scaling behavior, and the cvar cl_crosshairscale is no longer used. Players can revert to old crosshair behavior by setting cl_legacy_crosshair_scale to 1. - Setting cl_crosshaircolor to 5 enables the use of custom crosshair colors, specified by cvars cl_crosshaircolor_r, cl_crosshaircolor_g, and cl_crosshaircolor_b. - The default of cl_crosshairuseapha has been changed to 1. Alpha blending makes the crosshair much more visible on new HDR maps, and it is recommended that existing players enable this setting manually or through the options interface (Multiplayer-Crosshair appearance-Translucent). - Cvar cl_legacy_crosshair has been renamed to cl_legacy_crosshair_recoil for consistency. - Fixed inverted translucency preview on crosshair configuration panel. - Removed the ability for players to temporarily stand on and jump from thrown grenades and jumping players. Legacy behavior can be enabled by setting sv_enableboost to 1. - Fixed issue with players stacking on ladders. Players are no longer prevented from moving off a ladder when they are in contact with a player beneath them. - Fixed UI issue causing Steam dialog boxes to be unreadable over certain backgrounds. - Fixed a bug which allowed players to move the bomb with +use when sv_turbophysics was enabled. - Fixed a bug that caused crosshair to expand when attempting to fire an empty gun or when holding trigger on pistols. - Players are no longer kicked for team killing during mp_spawnprotectiontime if mp_autokick is not enabled. - Fixed a bug which caused incorrect FoV on zoomed sniper rifles after reload. - Fixed FoV on wide-screen display modes. - Fixed a bug which caused incorrect zoom for a spectator watching a player with a sniper rifle. - Fixed a crash that could occur if a player disconnected shortly after attacking a bot. - Bomb icon now has priority over dominated/dominating icon on scoreboard. - Deathcam now allows a short period of camera movement (matching pre-OB behavior) when a player dies. - Bots now use distinct Terrorist and Counter-Terrorist icons on the scoreboard, voice indicators, end of match, and freeze panel. - The round clock on the spectator UI is now replaced with a bomb icon after the C4 has been planted. - Fixed a bug which caused models to occasionally appear non-animating when cl_minmodels and low violence mode were both enabled. - Fixed the Buy Menu not taking into account the discounted price for Kevlar + Helmet if you already have Kevlar (not damaged) or a Helmet. - Fixed cases where flashbang was not visible but still blinded the player. - Reduced blindness amount when looking away from a flashbang. - Made smoke grenades block flashbangs. - Changed the way ammo purchasing works. Details are here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1406537 - Made another pass on fixing bugs and exploits in de_inferno. Details are here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1428239 - Added a checkbox to the Options-Audio dialog to control muting the audio when the game window is in the background. - Fixed crash in custom maps using the trigger_camera entity. - Fixed a crash that could occur if a player disconnected shortly after attacking a bot Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated
A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Fixed a bug where the player crouching/standing animations were delayed until after (from the player's local viewpoint). - Changed the way that scope zooming works so that it is no longer affected by client-server latency, and zooming begins immediately for the local player. This fixes an issue that would give an advantage to lower ping players and penalize higher ping players. - Fixed animation problem caused by aborting bomb plant by switching weapons (crab walk). - Crosshairs now have customizable size, thickness, and color: - cl_crosshairsize specifies the size of the crosshair in pixels at 640x480 resolution - cl_crosshairthickness specifies the thickness of the crosshair in pixels at 640x480 resolution - The crosshair now scales proportionately for all screen resolutions. This replaces the old scaling behavior, and the cvar cl_crosshairscale is no longer used. Players can revert to old crosshair behavior by setting cl_legacy_crosshair_scale to 1. - Setting cl_crosshaircolor to 5 enables the use of custom crosshair colors, specified by cvars cl_crosshaircolor_r, cl_crosshaircolor_g, and cl_crosshaircolor_b. - The default of cl_crosshairuseapha has been changed to 1. Alpha blending makes the crosshair much more visible on new HDR maps, and it is recommended that existing players enable this setting manually or through the options interface (Multiplayer-Crosshair appearance-Translucent). - Cvar cl_legacy_crosshair has been renamed to cl_legacy_crosshair_recoil for consistency. - Fixed inverted translucency preview on crosshair configuration panel. - Removed the ability for players to temporarily stand on and jump from thrown grenades and jumping players. Legacy behavior can be enabled by setting sv_enableboost to 1. - Fixed issue with players stacking on ladders. Players are no longer prevented from moving off a ladder when they are in contact with a player beneath them. - Fixed UI issue causing Steam dialog boxes to be unreadable over certain backgrounds. - Fixed a bug which allowed players to move the bomb with +use when sv_turbophysics was enabled. - Fixed a bug that caused crosshair to expand when attempting to fire an empty gun or when holding trigger on pistols. - Players are no longer kicked for team killing during mp_spawnprotectiontime if mp_autokick is not enabled. - Fixed a bug which caused incorrect FoV on zoomed sniper rifles after reload. - Fixed FoV on wide-screen display modes. - Fixed a bug which caused incorrect zoom for a spectator watching a player with a sniper rifle. - Fixed a crash that could occur if a player disconnected shortly after attacking a bot. - Bomb icon now has priority over dominated/dominating icon on scoreboard. - Deathcam now allows a short period of camera movement (matching pre-OB behavior) when a player dies. - Bots now use distinct Terrorist and Counter-Terrorist icons on the scoreboard, voice indicators, end of match, and freeze panel. - The round clock on the spectator UI is now replaced with a bomb icon after the C4 has been planted. - Fixed a bug which caused models to occasionally appear non-animating when cl_minmodels and low violence mode were both enabled. - Fixed the Buy Menu not taking into account the discounted price for Kevlar + Helmet if you already have Kevlar (not damaged) or a Helmet. - Fixed cases where flashbang was not visible but still blinded the player. - Reduced blindness amount when looking away from a flashbang. - Made smoke grenades block flashbangs. - Changed the way ammo purchasing works. Details are here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1406537 - Made another pass on fixing bugs and exploits in de_inferno. Details are here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1428239 - Added a checkbox to the Options-Audio dialog to control muting the audio when the game window is in the background. - Fixed crash in custom maps using the trigger_camera entity. - Fixed a crash that could occur if a player disconnected shortly after attacking a bot Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update
A required update to Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Reinstated ammo cost. - Added client ConVar cl_autobuyammo ( default 7 ) which determines how much ammo to attempt to buy with guns. 1-7: The ammo buttons in the Buy menu are hidden. ConCommands buyammo1 and buyammo2 are still active. 0: Ammo is not automatically purchased and the ammo buttons in the Buy menu are visible. They now buy single ammo boxes. - De_Inferno bug and exploit fixes. See http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1406537 for details. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta is now available. The specific changes include: - Fixed ragdolls popping when using mp_fadetoblack 1 - Fixed a buffer overrun exploit that could be used to attack/crash servers. - Fixed a crash at startup when no sound emitter scripts were loaded. - Fixed a crash that could happen if a custom model was loaded with missing materials. - Fixed a case where alt-tabbing crashed the game. - Fixed a potential crash in the shaders. - Removed the client console commands mat_supress and mat_debug - Fixed a case where alt-tab would stop rendering models. - Smoke Grenades: increased density. increased duration. reverted elasticity change. - Changed walk speed to be 0.52x of run speed ( Counter-Strike 1.6 ) Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Available
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source Beta is now available. The specific changes include: - Fixed a memory leak in the dedicated server. - Fixed a problem that could cause the crosshair to expand briefly after the trigger is released. - Made crosshair scale independently of framerate, matching the old behavior at 100 fps. This does not affect actual recoil, fire rate, or spread - only the expansion of the crosshair. Added cl_legacy_crosshair, which defaults to the new behavior. - Made the crosshair for the Glock and Famas scale correctly upon firing in burst mode. - Removed ability to jump to inaccessible locations using grenades (flashboosting). Added sv_enableboost (defaulted to 0) for those who prefer to allow this behavior. - Fixed an issue with involving incorrect armor protection vs. grenade damage. Added sv_legacy_grenade_damage (defaulted to 0) to allow servers to revert to the original behavior. - Fixed an issue that sometimes caused the freezecam sound to be heard when spectating a player who dies. - Fixed an issue that could cause KeyHintText to generate junk characters. - Prevented ragdoll spasm that could occur when using the jointeam command. - Addressed a problem with the sniper rifles that prevented unzooming during auto-reload after shooting all the bullets in a clip. - Fixed an issue with the AWP and Scout that could cause their zooms to vibrate briefly after a reload. - Fixed map cycling so that the cycle now starts from the map selected by the user instead of going back to the first map. - Fixed mp_restartgame so that it resets MVPs as well as score and deaths. - Removed fun fact from achievements summary screen and associated playerblotter functionality. - Throttled warning messages for disabled achievements to no more than once every 60 seconds. - Made disconnect messages wrap so they don't get truncated. - Made kick / disconnect messages more legible. - Made the silhouette that appears when you hit AUTO-SELECT on the Terrorist choose a class screen fit within its borders. - Made the 'X' that closes the achievements screen visible by default in 1280x720 resolution. - Fixed lock radar rotation option in the GUI. Setting this option now works. - Fixed a buffer overrun exploit that could be used to attack/crash servers. - Fixed a crash at startup when no sound emitter scripts were loaded. - Smoke grenades: - fixed occlusion bug. - made it bigger. - reduced grenade elasticity. - De_Inferno -fixed known exploits and bugs. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been. Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the update. The specific changes include: - Fixed a bug in the client plugin checks. - Smokegrenade: - Simplified appearance for better perf. - Shortened duration to 12 seconds. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Update Released
A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Improved Smoke Grenade: - Made them expand faster. - Made the smoke thicker. - Fixed bug that made smoke less opaque to someone standing in it. - Added check to prevent clients using plugins from connecting to VAC secured servers. - Listen servers no longer load plug-ins unless -insecure is added to the command line. - Clients running with -insecure cannot connect to VAC secure servers. - Added console variable sv_competitive_minspec that enforces the following restrictions on the client: - r_drawdetailprops 1 - r_staticprop_lod (-1 to 3) - fps_max minimum 60 (or 0) - cl_detailfade minimum 400 - cl_detaildist minimum 1200 - cl_interp (0 to 0.031) - cl_interp_ratio (1 to 2) - Fixed ragdolls popping with mp_fadetoblack 1 Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated
Thanks that's great news! On Friday, August 13, 2010, Ido Magal i...@valvesoftware.com wrote: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1380549 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Saul Rennison Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated Jason which exploits specifically? On Friday, August 13, 2010, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed point contents not respecting detail brushes. Fixes bullet penetration bug in some community maps. - Gun sounds now match up with the framerate dependent sound timing except without the framerate dependent jittering bugs - De_dust and De_dust2 updated. - Fixed exploits. - Fixed collisions on crenellation and domes. - Fixed minor visual glitches. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Thanks, - Saul. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Thanks, - Saul. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated
A required update for the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed point contents not respecting detail brushes. Fixes bullet penetration bug in some community maps. - Gun sounds now match up with the framerate dependent sound timing except without the framerate dependent jittering bugs - De_dust and De_dust2 updated. - Fixed exploits. - Fixed collisions on crenellation and domes. - Fixed minor visual glitches. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated
Jason which exploits specifically? On Friday, August 13, 2010, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed point contents not respecting detail brushes. Fixes bullet penetration bug in some community maps. - Gun sounds now match up with the framerate dependent sound timing except without the framerate dependent jittering bugs - De_dust and De_dust2 updated. - Fixed exploits. - Fixed collisions on crenellation and domes. - Fixed minor visual glitches. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Thanks, - Saul. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1380549 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Saul Rennison Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Updated Jason which exploits specifically? On Friday, August 13, 2010, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed point contents not respecting detail brushes. Fixes bullet penetration bug in some community maps. - Gun sounds now match up with the framerate dependent sound timing except without the framerate dependent jittering bugs - De_dust and De_dust2 updated. - Fixed exploits. - Fixed collisions on crenellation and domes. - Fixed minor visual glitches. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Thanks, - Saul. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta update
A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed a bug where some video configuration could get reset by restarting the engine. - Fixed a case of uneven performance on multicore machines. - Reduced overlap in sound timing code. - Fixed a case where audio could skip. - Fixed materials compiled into the map not being loaded correctly if they're in the root materials folder. - Stats: - Fixed an issue that could cause loss of player stats if network connectivity was lost briefly, just after launching the game. - Fixed issue that caused the favorite weapon to display incorrectly on the stats summary page when a player achieves the most kills with a knife or grenade. - Made newly-earned achievements and stats immediately update in the achievements and stats panels instead of showing stale data. - Community Requests: - Added console variable sv_competitive_minspec that enforces the following restrictions on the client: - r_drawdetailprops 1 - r_staticprop_lod (-1 to 3) - fps_max minimum 60 (or 0) - cl_detailfade minimum 400 - cl_detaildist minimum 1200 - cl_cmdrateminimum 60 - cl_updaterate minimum 60 - rate minimum 30,000 Our current plan is to update CSS on Mon, Aug 16. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta update
can i have all games for free jason? 2010/8/12 Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed a bug where some video configuration could get reset by restarting the engine. - Fixed a case of uneven performance on multicore machines. - Reduced overlap in sound timing code. - Fixed a case where audio could skip. - Fixed materials compiled into the map not being loaded correctly if they're in the root materials folder. - Stats: - Fixed an issue that could cause loss of player stats if network connectivity was lost briefly, just after launching the game. - Fixed issue that caused the favorite weapon to display incorrectly on the stats summary page when a player achieves the most kills with a knife or grenade. - Made newly-earned achievements and stats immediately update in the achievements and stats panels instead of showing stale data. - Community Requests: - Added console variable sv_competitive_minspec that enforces the following restrictions on the client: - r_drawdetailprops 1 - r_staticprop_lod (-1 to 3) - fps_max minimum 60 (or 0) - cl_detailfade minimum 400 - cl_detaildist minimum 1200 - cl_cmdrateminimum 60 - cl_updaterate minimum 60 - rate minimum 30,000 Our current plan is to update CSS on Mon, Aug 16. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta update
Our current plan is to update CSS on Mon, Aug 16. Thanks for the heads up! Kyle. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Mark P tf2ma...@gmail.com wrote: can i have all games for free jason? 2010/8/12 Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com A required update to the Counter-Strike: Source Beta has been released. The specific changes include: - Fixed a bug where some video configuration could get reset by restarting the engine. - Fixed a case of uneven performance on multicore machines. - Reduced overlap in sound timing code. - Fixed a case where audio could skip. - Fixed materials compiled into the map not being loaded correctly if they're in the root materials folder. - Stats: - Fixed an issue that could cause loss of player stats if network connectivity was lost briefly, just after launching the game. - Fixed issue that caused the favorite weapon to display incorrectly on the stats summary page when a player achieves the most kills with a knife or grenade. - Made newly-earned achievements and stats immediately update in the achievements and stats panels instead of showing stale data. - Community Requests: - Added console variable sv_competitive_minspec that enforces the following restrictions on the client: - r_drawdetailprops 1 - r_staticprop_lod (-1 to 3) - fps_max minimum 60 (or 0) - cl_detailfade minimum 400 - cl_detaildist minimum 1200 - cl_cmdrateminimum 60 - cl_updaterate minimum 60 - rate minimum 30,000 Our current plan is to update CSS on Mon, Aug 16. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
I love «downloading the bits» :] On 06/08/2010 4:58 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote: The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
lol its always the name of the directory the mod is in... mod dir being where you will find ./cfg ./maps ./cfg yadda yadda On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Robert Whelan mrrjwhe...@yahoo.com wrote: Nevermind... I rummaged thru the gameinfo.txt and found its cstrike_beta Grrr... From: Robert Whelan mrrjwhe...@yahoo.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 9:57:22 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available Welp... I dl'd the files long ago... ran -verify_all several times. I have the latest updates etc. No addons... 100% vanilla on a windows testbox. C:\SRCDS\cssbeta\srcds.exe -game cstrike -console +maxplayers 14 +map de_dust2 +log 1 -ip 192.168.1.104 +hostport 27015 Nothing happens, lol. What am I missing? Anyone else having trouble? I also tried -game cssbeta I've rechecked everything many times... I host l4d/l4d2/tf2/css/ff/hl2dm/tfc go figure I give... uncle :) From: Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 3:58:46 PM Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
Thanks for the heads up, it'll be fun. Downloading right now! :-) On 6 August 2010 22:58, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
holy shit, they gave a warning? From: karlicio...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 23:06:33 +0200 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available Thanks for the heads up, it'll be fun. Downloading right now! :-) On 6 August 2010 22:58, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
Wahooo. Thanks, Kyle. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Dominic Marciano lambda1_...@hotmail.com wrote: holy shit, they gave a warning? From: karlicio...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 23:06:33 +0200 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available Thanks for the heads up, it'll be fun. Downloading right now! :-) On 6 August 2010 22:58, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
Looks like Valve added some servers for the Beta since there was only 12 before. They say they are all in Washington but they are actually in San Jose, CA. There is a small ping difference. :P On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.com wrote: Wahooo. Thanks, Kyle. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Dominic Marciano lambda1_...@hotmail.com wrote: holy shit, they gave a warning? From: karlicio...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 23:06:33 +0200 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available Thanks for the heads up, it'll be fun. Downloading right now! :-) On 6 August 2010 22:58, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
Welp... I dl'd the files long ago... ran -verify_all several times. I have the latest updates etc. No addons... 100% vanilla on a windows testbox. C:\SRCDS\cssbeta\srcds.exe -game cstrike -console +maxplayers 14 +map de_dust2 +log 1 -ip 192.168.1.104 +hostport 27015 Nothing happens, lol. What am I missing? Anyone else having trouble? I also tried -game cssbeta I've rechecked everything many times... I host l4d/l4d2/tf2/css/ff/hl2dm/tfc go figure I give... uncle :) From: Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 3:58:46 PM Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
-game cstrike_beta. On 7 August 2010 04:57, Robert Whelan mrrjwhe...@yahoo.com wrote: Welp... I dl'd the files long ago... ran -verify_all several times. I have the latest updates etc. No addons... 100% vanilla on a windows testbox. C:\SRCDS\cssbeta\srcds.exe -game cstrike -console +maxplayers 14 +map de_dust2 +log 1 -ip 192.168.1.104 +hostport 27015 Nothing happens, lol. What am I missing? Anyone else having trouble? I also tried -game cssbeta I've rechecked everything many times... I host l4d/l4d2/tf2/css/ff/hl2dm/tfc go figure I give... uncle :) From: Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 3:58:46 PM Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
-game cstrike_beta -Original Message- From: Robert Whelan mrrjwhe...@yahoo.com Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:57:22 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available Welp... I dl'd the files long ago... ran -verify_all several times. I have the latest updates etc. No addons... 100% vanilla on a windows testbox. C:\SRCDS\cssbeta\srcds.exe -game cstrike -console +maxplayers 14 +map de_dust2 +log 1 -ip 192.168.1.104 +hostport 27015 Nothing happens, lol. What am I missing? Anyone else having trouble? I also tried -game cssbeta I've rechecked everything many times... I host l4d/l4d2/tf2/css/ff/hl2dm/tfc go figure I give... uncle :) From: Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 3:58:46 PM Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available
Nevermind... I rummaged thru the gameinfo.txt and found its cstrike_beta Grrr... From: Robert Whelan mrrjwhe...@yahoo.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 9:57:22 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available Welp... I dl'd the files long ago... ran -verify_all several times. I have the latest updates etc. No addons... 100% vanilla on a windows testbox. C:\SRCDS\cssbeta\srcds.exe -game cstrike -console +maxplayers 14 +map de_dust2 +log 1 -ip 192.168.1.104 +hostport 27015 Nothing happens, lol. What am I missing? Anyone else having trouble? I also tried -game cssbeta I've rechecked everything many times... I host l4d/l4d2/tf2/css/ff/hl2dm/tfc go figure I give... uncle :) From: Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 3:58:46 PM Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today. Right now the dedicated server files are available, so if you would like to run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits. The hldsupdatetool game name is 'cssbeta'. A more detailed announced, along with specific changes, will be set live once the client is up. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
Quoted from Kigen: Its [sic] like stealing a bike from the front of a bike shop and saying, Well, they didn't have it locked down so its [sic] mine now. No, it's like buying a bike and taking a matching headlight seconds before it was thrown in for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
For the last time, you can only play the Beta if you have a legitimate copy of CS:S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: Quoted from Kigen: Its [sic] like stealing a bike from the front of a bike shop and saying, Well, they didn't have it locked down so its [sic] mine now. No, it's like buying a bike and taking a matching headlight seconds before it was thrown in for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
For the last time, the beta is copyright Valve Software, if you do not have a license from them to download it, your breaking the law. You can only play the beta if you have a computer, Steam, a keyboard, and the Internet, but all of these prerequisites are just as irrelevant to copyright law as it stands as you'res is. You're metaphor doesnt make sense, its already free - just for certain people. Its a bit like a free gig, where the first n thousand people get in and then they run out of tickets. You' do'nt have the rite to sne'ak in ju'st be'cau'se the 'peo'ple who'are allowed in didnt pay'. - Original Message - From: Max S si3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA For the last time, you can only play the Beta if you have a legitimate copy of CS:S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: Quoted from Kigen: Its [sic] like stealing a bike from the front of a bike shop and saying, Well, they didn't have it locked down so its [sic] mine now. No, it's like buying a bike and taking a matching headlight seconds before it was thrown in for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
Thanks! The beta's validating as I type this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
well it downloaded the gcf file and i extracted the files. i made everything for that matter, i can start, create a new server, but i cant join my own, steamid validation rejected it says. -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-14 03:07, Max S wrote: fromMax Sutterssutters...@gmail.comtosutters...@gmail.com dateThu, May 13, 2010 at 2:21 PMsubjectCS:S BETAmailed-bygmail.com hide details 2:21 PM (3 hours ago) This is grossly off-topic, but does anyone know how to use Steam commands like the one described in 1.? Someone on Reddit claims that anyone can download and play the beta using these steps. Thanks! 1. steam://validate/260 - and wait for Steam to fully download the GCF. 2. Use GCF Scape to extract the cstrike_beta folder to the SourceMods folder (located in the SteamApps folder) 3. In the cstrike_beta folder, open GameInfo.txt Change the SteamAppID from 260 to 440 (Requires TF2!) Find the steam.inf file, rename it steam_.inf Restart Steam. Right click the new game in your Steam Library... click properties. Set Launch Options, add in advanced Security Options: -insecure -secure Play the CS:S Beta. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics 14.5.2010 13:52, Christian Baier kirjoitti: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
VAC acts on cheats, this is not cheating. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Christian Baier chrisco.ba...@gmail.comwrote: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
that doesn't mean to say a steam admin of some sort would disable your account. Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:13:29 -0400 From: syntron...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA VAC acts on cheats, this is not cheating. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Christian Baier chrisco.ba...@gmail.comwrote: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
i don't think valve is that stupid. i mean its a legit way to do it, its not that you are downloading it from a third party site, you just trick the steam client cause they haven't locket the beta to the participating steam accounts. i have tf2 and css, still doesn't work. and the cstrike_beta folder is in the counter-strike source beta content2.gcf file, this file you open with gcfscape that you get from http://nemesis.thewavelength.net -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-14 12:52, Christian Baier wrote: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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You should probably have a look at the subscriber agreement: http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or which otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so. That's pretty open ended for them. They can probably claim that stealing the game is illegal and/or negatively affects the enjoyment of other subscribers and terminate your account. And if that wasn't enough for you, well they can pretty much do it whenever they want regardless: Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time. You understand and agree that the cancellation of your Account or a particular Subscription is your sole right and remedy with respect to any dispute with Valve. And if you don't like it or don't like what they do with your account, then you only have one option: YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH VALVE WITH REGARD TO STEAM OR THE STEAM SOFTWARE IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF STEAM AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA i don't think valve is that stupid. i mean its a legit way to do it, its not that you are downloading it from a third party site, you just trick the steam client cause they haven't locket the beta to the participating steam accounts. i have tf2 and css, still doesn't work. and the cstrike_beta folder is in the counter-strike source beta content2.gcf file, this file you open with gcfscape that you get from http://nemesis.thewavelength.net -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-14 12:52, Christian Baier wrote: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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and then the question is how would a download from me negatively affect the game? i am downloading it, to test my server, to test the game and participate to a better game, so i do not think valve will fuck us over. besides that it didn't work, so i am done with it. -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-14 18:30, Tony Paloma wrote: You should probably have a look at the subscriber agreement: http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or which otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so. That's pretty open ended for them. They can probably claim that stealing the game is illegal and/or negatively affects the enjoyment of other subscribers and terminate your account. And if that wasn't enough for you, well they can pretty much do it whenever they want regardless: Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time. You understand and agree that the cancellation of your Account or a particular Subscription is your sole right and remedy with respect to any dispute with Valve. And if you don't like it or don't like what they do with your account, then you only have one option: YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH VALVE WITH REGARD TO STEAM OR THE STEAM SOFTWARE IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF STEAM AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA i don't think valve is that stupid. i mean its a legit way to do it, its not that you are downloading it from a third party site, you just trick the steam client cause they haven't locket the beta to the participating steam accounts. i have tf2 and css, still doesn't work. and the cstrike_beta folder is in the counter-strike source beta content2.gcf file, this file you open with gcfscape that you get from http://nemesis.thewavelength.net -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-14 12:52, Christian Baier wrote: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Is pirating any game you don't own okay? The Undead patch is only tricking the steam client after all. - Original Message - From: Rikard Bremark rikard.brem...@warzone.nu To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA i don't think valve is that stupid. i mean its a legit way to do it, its not that you are downloading it from a third party site, you just trick the steam client cause they haven't locket the beta to the participating steam accounts. i have tf2 and css, still doesn't work. and the cstrike_beta folder is in the counter-strike source beta content2.gcf file, this file you open with gcfscape that you get from http://nemesis.thewavelength.net -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-14 12:52, Christian Baier wrote: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2873 - Release Date: 05/14/10 07:26:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics 14.5.2010 13:52, Christian Baier kirjoitti: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Time to remove this from my Client :| Kyle. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Max S si3ila...@gmail.com wrote: If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics 14.5.2010 13:52, Christian Baier kirjoitti: Could your steam account be banned for getting the beta without getting it legit? On 5/14/10, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if you're not a legitimate member of the beta. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding the cstrike_beta folder - do you know where the Steam validation installs it? I'll test it once I have the beta running, but remember: you need TF2 and CS:S to play on public servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max S si3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I think this has been proven by the steam weekend sales of various games in the past. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Michael Secord Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:09 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Analysts? Really? You can' be serious. Retail prices for new games whether console or pc are the same no matter who the publisher/devloper is. You can almost go as far as saying it's price fixing at it's best. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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In relation to the ethics or morals (w/e) of attaining the CS:S Beta.. Do what you want, but don't whine if steam nukes your account. _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Chris, Both your replies, dead on. Price sales lead to more sales. Companies just found a price so far that /most/ people will pay for and they still rake in the big bucks. Though, who are we to judge? We aren't the companies who make them/sarcasm. Alec, as far as that...no I didn't say that. There is a break even point, where you are covering your costs per unit. Once you exceed that, it's pure profit...going for $10 profit instead of $30 profit hurts per unit, but it generates more sales. (And just as an FYI/CYA - These are arbitrary numbers I just used to prove a point). -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Chris Brunelle cbrunel...@cogeco.ca To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 3:22 PM EST Analysts? Really? You can' be serious. Retail prices for new games whether console or pc are the same no matter who the publisher/devloper is. You can almost go as far as saying it's price fixing at it's best. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellette...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com
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No, as Activision proved with CoD:MW2 the publisher controls the price of the game in most situations. They choose to sell it at the same price because everyone else is so people are more likely to buy it. But Activision with MW2 bumped the price up $10.00 USD when it released for the PC. Now some others like Ubisoft and EA might fallow suit and start charging $60 for PC games even though in the past they were $50 ($10 USD less than consoles). Anyhow, on the issue of piracy of the Beta. If VALVe did not expressly give you permission to download the beta by their website then it constitutes theft. Which VALVe can prosecute you on and have you thrown in jail. Simply because you found a loop hole in their system that allows you to download the game does not give you the right to use it. Its like stealing a bike from the front of a bike shop and saying, Well, they didn't have it locked down so its mine now. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: You know why it seems to be fixed? Because it's been determined that that is the price which sees the most return. Or maybe you're right. Maybe someone just picked an arbitrary number and made it the standard for all games. Thank you, Alec Sanger From: cbrunel...@cogeco.ca To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:22:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Analysts? Really? You can' be serious. Retail prices for new games whether console or pc are the same no matter who the publisher/devloper is. You can almost go as far as saying it's price fixing at it's best. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010
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ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. Adobe is raking it in, though I do take your point. But does that apply to a game that's already only $10? And if Valve has to be driven to putting on a sale by illegal downloaders (not that I really see how that works), it wasn't going to make money. - Original Message - From: Michael Secord gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Go look up the 'humble indie bundle'. It kills your arguement pretty fast actually. Sent from my iPhone On 15/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Not saying I disagree with you Joshua, but the humble indie bundle is just that - indie. I can't see it working for bigger developers like EA, VALVe, Rockstar, etc. On 5/14/2010 9:41 PM, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost wrote: Go look up the 'humble indie bundle'. It kills your arguement pretty fast actually. Sent from my iPhone On 15/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Alec Sangereclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellette...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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They raised almost $1,000,000 for themselves. That's fantastic, and I fully support these guys. I'm a huge fan of indy developers and do what I can to support them. But come on, they raised a total of $1.25 million between 5 games. MW2 earned over half a billion dollars in sales in just 5 days. Yes, 550x more than that. I'm not trying to say that the highest price is always the best, I'm just saying that all business are here to make money, and they have found the price which the most people are willing to pay. Going lower may result in more sales but a lower revenue, and a higher cost may result in less sales and a lower revenue. Thank you, Alec Sanger From: dislexs...@dislexsick.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:11:49 +0930 Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Go look up the 'humble indie bundle'. It kills your arguement pretty fast actually. Sent from my iPhone On 15/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy, since it's unreleased. -ics ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
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Of course, you can't compare a large franchise of games to the indie games, these guys had no advertising and no intention to make a lot of money - MW2 was backed by advertising, hype, and was a sequel which naturally gave it an edge. For a more fair comparison however, how much did the first COD game released gross in its first 5 days? I was just drawing attention to the fact that, yes, a lower price CAN and WILL bring in the crowds, and earn you a lot of money - I'm sure each of those developers are now happy with their ~$200K each. I'm yet to look at actual figures, but I assume the $1.25M was after the charity donations? The point is more the VOLUME of sales given the situation. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: They raised almost $1,000,000 for themselves. That's fantastic, and I fully support these guys. I'm a huge fan of indy developers and do what I can to support them. But come on, they raised a total of $1.25 million between 5 games. MW2 earned over half a billion dollars in sales in just 5 days. Yes, 550x more than that. I'm not trying to say that the highest price is always the best, I'm just saying that all business are here to make money, and they have found the price which the most people are willing to pay. Going lower may result in more sales but a lower revenue, and a higher cost may result in less sales and a lower revenue. Thank you, Alec Sanger From: dislexs...@dislexsick.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:11:49 +0930 Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Go look up the 'humble indie bundle'. It kills your arguement pretty fast actually. Sent from my iPhone On 15/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No core gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in anticipation hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to celebrate the update). On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, icsi...@ics-base.net wrote: Well it's like a copy of a game you
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Don't forget income tax. Also I think that's before charity as well, and I'm sure the entire development teams for each of those games get a share. It gets split pretty quickly though they will surely enjoy the bonus. :P On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Bost dislexs...@dislexsick.comwrote: Of course, you can't compare a large franchise of games to the indie games, these guys had no advertising and no intention to make a lot of money - MW2 was backed by advertising, hype, and was a sequel which naturally gave it an edge. For a more fair comparison however, how much did the first COD game released gross in its first 5 days? I was just drawing attention to the fact that, yes, a lower price CAN and WILL bring in the crowds, and earn you a lot of money - I'm sure each of those developers are now happy with their ~$200K each. I'm yet to look at actual figures, but I assume the $1.25M was after the charity donations? The point is more the VOLUME of sales given the situation. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: They raised almost $1,000,000 for themselves. That's fantastic, and I fully support these guys. I'm a huge fan of indy developers and do what I can to support them. But come on, they raised a total of $1.25 million between 5 games. MW2 earned over half a billion dollars in sales in just 5 days. Yes, 550x more than that. I'm not trying to say that the highest price is always the best, I'm just saying that all business are here to make money, and they have found the price which the most people are willing to pay. Going lower may result in more sales but a lower revenue, and a higher cost may result in less sales and a lower revenue. Thank you, Alec Sanger From: dislexs...@dislexsick.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:11:49 +0930 Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Go look up the 'humble indie bundle'. It kills your arguement pretty fast actually. Sent from my iPhone On 15/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it would be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a license of CS:S, thousands have already
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And if the volume of sales is what you're after, I completely agree with you - the lowest price will get you the highest number of sales. You do agree, however, that there is a certain golden price which will theoretically earn the most income, right? Not too cheap to cut potential profits and not too expensive to cut potential sales. That golden price is what companies are after, not just a high number of sales. Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:37:20 +0930 From: dislexs...@dislexsick.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Of course, you can't compare a large franchise of games to the indie games, these guys had no advertising and no intention to make a lot of money - MW2 was backed by advertising, hype, and was a sequel which naturally gave it an edge. For a more fair comparison however, how much did the first COD game released gross in its first 5 days? I was just drawing attention to the fact that, yes, a lower price CAN and WILL bring in the crowds, and earn you a lot of money - I'm sure each of those developers are now happy with their ~$200K each. I'm yet to look at actual figures, but I assume the $1.25M was after the charity donations? The point is more the VOLUME of sales given the situation. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: They raised almost $1,000,000 for themselves. That's fantastic, and I fully support these guys. I'm a huge fan of indy developers and do what I can to support them. But come on, they raised a total of $1.25 million between 5 games. MW2 earned over half a billion dollars in sales in just 5 days. Yes, 550x more than that. I'm not trying to say that the highest price is always the best, I'm just saying that all business are here to make money, and they have found the price which the most people are willing to pay. Going lower may result in more sales but a lower revenue, and a higher cost may result in less sales and a lower revenue. Thank you, Alec Sanger From: dislexs...@dislexsick.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:11:49 +0930 Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Go look up the 'humble indie bundle'. It kills your arguement pretty fast actually. Sent from my iPhone On 15/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than $30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce the price. Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400 From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand. And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS. You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea. Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads. -Michael -- Original Message --- Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA From: Ed Kellett e...@estc.demon.co.uk To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S beta is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise) without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading hardly hurts Valve is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone they like from Steam in any case. How can an increase in anticipation arise from more people already having the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for less money help Valve? - Original Message - From: Max Ssi3ila...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds
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There is great piece of software that has great benefits to this sort of stuff. Let me see what was it again?? oh yea A FORUM! you have singed up on this mailing list to recieve information that valve is updating or changing something that the server admins would need to know or use. why rant and rave on this mailing list (you are preaching to the choir) understand that mailing list ARE JUST THAT. So the guy got banned, that is between him and valve. want to complain about it take it to a forum or a newsgroup where poeple really care... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Don't listen to this guy. I Care. ;) Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mikel Silberzahn Sent: May-13-10 12:48 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA There is great piece of software that has great benefits to this sort of stuff. Let me see what was it again?? oh yea A FORUM! you have singed up on this mailing list to recieve information that valve is updating or changing something that the server admins would need to know or use. why rant and rave on this mailing list (you are preaching to the choir) understand that mailing list ARE JUST THAT. So the guy got banned, that is between him and valve. want to complain about it take it to a forum or a newsgroup where poeple really care... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Again, Quit Whining. Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:48:10 -0500 From: msilby...@righttorule.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA There is great piece of software that has great benefits to this sort of stuff. Let me see what was it again?? oh yea A FORUM! you have singed up on this mailing list to recieve information that valve is updating or changing something that the server admins would need to know or use. why rant and rave on this mailing list (you are preaching to the choir) understand that mailing list ARE JUST THAT. So the guy got banned, that is between him and valve. want to complain about it take it to a forum or a newsgroup where poeple really care... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Il 13/05/2010 18:48, Mikel Silberzahn ha scritto: There is great piece of software that has great benefits to this sort of stuff. Let me see what was it again?? oh yea A FORUM! you have singed up on this mailing list to recieve information that valve is updating or changing something that the server admins would need to know or use. why rant and rave on this mailing list (you are preaching to the choir) understand that mailing list ARE JUST THAT. So the guy got banned, that is between him and valve. want to complain about it take it to a forum or a newsgroup where poeple really care... Less QQ, more pew pew!!!1!!ONE!1!!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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What does you commandline look like? -Lane -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:57 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
you don't just double click srcds.exe (well I guess you could ) but the proper way is to open a DOS command prompt, and navigate to your srcds directory, and try the following: srcds.exe -console -game css_beta +map de_dust +maxplayers 20 which i believe is the BARE minimum required to start a Windows server (there's a TON of other command line options you can pass - I'm just trying to get you started). Like Lane asked before me, what's your command line look like? --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:57 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
It's cstrike_beta and not css_beta - Ywa Op 13-May-10 23:29, Rick Payton schreef: you don't just double click srcds.exe (well I guess you could ) but the proper way is to open a DOS command prompt, and navigate to your srcds directory, and try the following: srcds.exe -console -game css_beta +map de_dust +maxplayers 20 which i believe is the BARE minimum required to start a Windows server (there's a TON of other command line options you can pass - I'm just trying to get you started). Like Lane asked before me, what's your command line look like? --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:57 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5113 (20100513) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
i remembered wrong, i though that srcds workt like hlds where you can run the hlds and gets a config dialog for name and some server settings. i got it working now! thanks anyway! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 23:29, Rick Payton wrote: you don't just double click srcds.exe (well I guess you could ) but the proper way is to open a DOS command prompt, and navigate to your srcds directory, and try the following: srcds.exe -console -game css_beta +map de_dust +maxplayers 20 which i believe is the BARE minimum required to start a Windows server (there's a TON of other command line options you can pass - I'm just trying to get you started). Like Lane asked before me, what's your command line look like? --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:57 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
well kinda great, the beta client have been out since 8 of may according to the steampowered, thats really great that the real ppl that should be testing it gets a chance to do it. besides that, i love that they are porting it. -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 23:29, Rick Payton wrote: you don't just double click srcds.exe (well I guess you could ) but the proper way is to open a DOS command prompt, and navigate to your srcds directory, and try the following: srcds.exe -console -game css_beta +map de_dust +maxplayers 20 which i believe is the BARE minimum required to start a Windows server (there's a TON of other command line options you can pass - I'm just trying to get you started). Like Lane asked before me, what's your command line look like? --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:57 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
heh oops ... memory failure. ;) --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jarno Veuger Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:42 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA It's cstrike_beta and not css_beta - Ywa Op 13-May-10 23:29, Rick Payton schreef: you don't just double click srcds.exe (well I guess you could ) but the proper way is to open a DOS command prompt, and navigate to your srcds directory, and try the following: srcds.exe -console -game css_beta +map de_dust +maxplayers 20 which i believe is the BARE minimum required to start a Windows server (there's a TON of other command line options you can pass - I'm just trying to get you started). Like Lane asked before me, what's your command line look like? --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:57 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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glad to hear it! -- mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:11 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA i remembered wrong, i though that srcds workt like hlds where you can run the hlds and gets a config dialog for name and some server settings. i got it working now! thanks anyway! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 23:29, Rick Payton wrote: you don't just double click srcds.exe (well I guess you could ) but the proper way is to open a DOS command prompt, and navigate to your srcds directory, and try the following: srcds.exe -console -game css_beta +map de_dust +maxplayers 20 which i believe is the BARE minimum required to start a Windows server (there's a TON of other command line options you can pass - I'm just trying to get you started). Like Lane asked before me, what's your command line look like? --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:57 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view
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this is why we can never have nice things On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:10 PM, D4rKr0W dark...@dpi-clan.org wrote: Il 13/05/2010 18:48, Mikel Silberzahn ha scritto: There is great piece of software that has great benefits to this sort of stuff. Let me see what was it again?? oh yea A FORUM! you have singed up on this mailing list to recieve information that valve is updating or changing something that the server admins would need to know or use. why rant and rave on this mailing list (you are preaching to the choir) understand that mailing list ARE JUST THAT. So the guy got banned, that is between him and valve. want to complain about it take it to a forum or a newsgroup where poeple really care... Less QQ, more pew pew!!!1!!ONE!1!!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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fromMax Sutters sutters...@gmail.comtosutters...@gmail.com dateThu, May 13, 2010 at 2:21 PMsubjectCS:S BETAmailed-bygmail.com hide details 2:21 PM (3 hours ago) This is grossly off-topic, but does anyone know how to use Steam commands like the one described in 1.? Someone on Reddit claims that anyone can download and play the beta using these steps. Thanks! 1. steam://validate/260 - and wait for Steam to fully download the GCF. 2. Use GCF Scape to extract the cstrike_beta folder to the SourceMods folder (located in the SteamApps folder) 3. In the cstrike_beta folder, open GameInfo.txt Change the SteamAppID from 260 to 440 (Requires TF2!) Find the steam.inf file, rename it steam_.inf Restart Steam. Right click the new game in your Steam Library... click properties. Set Launch Options, add in advanced Security Options: -insecure -secure Play the CS:S Beta. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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To use steam commands paste them into run or an explorer window. It won't work if steam isn't installed. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Max S Sent: Friday, 14 May 2010 9:07 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA fromMax Sutters sutters...@gmail.comtosutters...@gmail.com dateThu, May 13, 2010 at 2:21 PMsubjectCS:S BETAmailed-bygmail.com hide details 2:21 PM (3 hours ago) This is grossly off-topic, but does anyone know how to use Steam commands like the one described in 1.? Someone on Reddit claims that anyone can download and play the beta using these steps. Thanks! 1. steam://validate/260 - and wait for Steam to fully download the GCF. 2. Use GCF Scape to extract the cstrike_beta folder to the SourceMods folder (located in the SteamApps folder) 3. In the cstrike_beta folder, open GameInfo.txt Change the SteamAppID from 260 to 440 (Requires TF2!) Find the steam.inf file, rename it steam_.inf Restart Steam. Right click the new game in your Steam Library... click properties. Set Launch Options, add in advanced Security Options: -insecure -secure Play the CS:S Beta. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA COMMAND LINE
Here's a working command line for you Rikard: -game cstrike_beta -secure -console +ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -port 27015 +maxplayers 20 +map de_dust2 -tickrate 66 +fps_max 300 I had the same problem until I learned the gametype is: cstrike_beta and not cssbeta like some other people reported and is used for installing it with the HLDS Update tool. Good luck! -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Lane Eckley Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:02 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA What does you commandline look like? -Lane -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:57 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA COMMAND LINE
its always the name of the mod directory for the -game parameter. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Mike Vail mike_v...@boomgaming.net wrote: Here's a working command line for you Rikard: -game cstrike_beta -secure -console +ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -port 27015 +maxplayers 20 +map de_dust2 -tickrate 66 +fps_max 300 I had the same problem until I learned the gametype is: cstrike_beta and not cssbeta like some other people reported and is used for installing it with the HLDS Update tool. Good luck! -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Lane Eckley Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:02 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA What does you commandline look like? -Lane -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rikard Bremark Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:57 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA anyone else there that cant start the beta on win32? i have downloaded it, removed the bin folder just to redownload it and make sure verify_all works. everything is downloaded, but i cant start the server, i dubbel click the srcds.exe but nothing happen?! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark ComHem AB - http://www.comhem.se Warzone.nu - http://www.warzone.nu Warzone Short Valley rikard.brem...@warzone.nu z...@warzone.nu On 2010-05-13 06:43, Mark Gunnett wrote: On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be nice. I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that would have been trashed anyways. But we'll see. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D.nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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fixed client command exploit? like mem_dump, physics_debug_entity, dump_entity_sizes ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yes, these should be fixed since CSS is now on OB Engine. 2010/5/12 raydan rayda...@gmail.com fixed client command exploit? like mem_dump, physics_debug_entity, dump_entity_sizes ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Best regards, AnAkIn, - ESL EU TF2 Admin http://www.esl.eu/eu/tf2 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Had a quick test, the physics_debug_entity still brings down the css beta server when entered directly to the console. It shouldn't crash it right? Anyways, can't test as a client -ics 12.5.2010 18:45, AnAkIn . kirjoitti: Yes, these should be fixed since CSS is now on OB Engine. 2010/5/12 raydanrayda...@gmail.com fixed client command exploit? like mem_dump, physics_debug_entity, dump_entity_sizes ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit
fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact
that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I
take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause
all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes
to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S.
True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I
already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make
me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we
like it or not :)
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So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I believe they are updating just for releasing it on the Mac (one engine is easier and cheaper to maintain). css players didn't ask this kind of update, they want the same old shit: CSS on OB won't feel right for a lot of them. This update has very little value for existing players, and will be a nightmare for server admins. Most of the existing exploits are already fixed using community provided plugins and workaround. The fact it is free doesn't mean it is good and something we should thank for. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Quit Whining. Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:05:25 +0200 From: beretta.clau...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA I believe they are updating just for releasing it on the Mac (one engine is easier and cheaper to maintain). css players didn't ask this kind of update, they want the same old shit: CSS on OB won't feel right for a lot of them. This update has very little value for existing players, and will be a nightmare for server admins. Most of the existing exploits are already fixed using community provided plugins and workaround. The fact it is free doesn't mean it is good and something we should thank for. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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While the Mac release is a good reason to update Valve has been planning to update CS:S, HL2, HL2:Ep1 and HL2:Ep2 to the Source 2009 engine for a while now. I remember people were finding traces of the achievements and stuff long ago and CS:S players did want changes they have a huge thread with all the bugs and suggestions on the SPUF. -Wellington Willy Cordeiro On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Claudio Beretta beretta.clau...@gmail.comwrote: I believe they are updating just for releasing it on the Mac (one engine is easier and cheaper to maintain). css players didn't ask this kind of update, they want the same old shit: CSS on OB won't feel right for a lot of them. This update has very little value for existing players, and will be a nightmare for server admins. Most of the existing exploits are already fixed using community provided plugins and workaround. The fact it is free doesn't mean it is good and something we should thank for. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
One request with the current OrangeBox beta, you need to have some sort of way to rate limit player name changes, chat can be flooded by typing 'setinfo name Tehe' into your console 40 times. Kyle. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Willy Cordeiro willy123...@gmail.com wrote: While the Mac release is a good reason to update Valve has been planning to update CS:S, HL2, HL2:Ep1 and HL2:Ep2 to the Source 2009 engine for a while now. I remember people were finding traces of the achievements and stuff long ago and CS:S players did want changes they have a huge thread with all the bugs and suggestions on the SPUF. -Wellington Willy Cordeiro On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Claudio Beretta beretta.clau...@gmail.comwrote: I believe they are updating just for releasing it on the Mac (one engine is easier and cheaper to maintain). css players didn't ask this kind of update, they want the same old shit: CSS on OB won't feel right for a lot of them. This update has very little value for existing players, and will be a nightmare for server admins. Most of the existing exploits are already fixed using community provided plugins and workaround. The fact it is free doesn't mean it is good and something we should thank for. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
You present a compelling argument. Cheers, - Sam On 13 May 2010 05:10, Dominic Marciano lambda1_...@hotmail.com wrote: Quit Whining. Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:05:25 +0200 From: beretta.clau...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA I believe they are updating just for releasing it on the Mac (one engine is easier and cheaper to maintain). css players didn't ask this kind of update, they want the same old shit: CSS on OB won't feel right for a lot of them. This update has very little value for existing players, and will be a nightmare for server admins. Most of the existing exploits are already fixed using community provided plugins and workaround. The fact it is free doesn't mean it is good and something we should thank for. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
We will probably hear whining about registration of bullets for the next 6 months, then it will be great, then Valve will release another update and the players will complain about registration again. Have fun! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Sam Horn supersammyfl...@gmail.com wrote: You present a compelling argument. Cheers, - Sam On 13 May 2010 05:10, Dominic Marciano lambda1_...@hotmail.com wrote: Quit Whining. Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:05:25 +0200 From: beretta.clau...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA I believe they are updating just for releasing it on the Mac (one engine is easier and cheaper to maintain). css players didn't ask this kind of update, they want the same old shit: CSS on OB won't feel right for a lot of them. This update has very little value for existing players, and will be a nightmare for server admins. Most of the existing exploits are already fixed using community provided plugins and workaround. The fact it is free doesn't mean it is good and something we should thank for. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade your PC? You should stick with consoles then... I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates. We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness. On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote: I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more exploit fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the fact that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full I take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it comes to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S. True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a game I already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not make me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether we like it or not :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On the contrary, Valve can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't
appreciate losing compatibility with my current rig. It's a moot point
since I'm going to be building a new one soon anyways. It just sucks when
the game you once could play, now is unplayable. It's one thing to be unable
to play a game cause your rig makes the game run 100x faster then it was
meant to run cause the game is so old. Even then you can usually tweak it to
be playable. But if in the long run it gets rid of some of the retarded
assed exploits that are currently apart of the source engine that will be
nice.
I haven't exactly played the beta so i can't say whether the changes are
good or bad. I think the most important part is being able to have regular
updates that will fix the exploits that come about. Some of Valves responses
to exploits insofar that have been documented and given to them is either a
slipshod patch or no response at all. I can appreciate them not responding
because they were going to move to OB and eliminate a bunch of work that
would have been trashed anyways.
But we'll see.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote:
So, Valve shouldn't update their games because you don't want to upgrade
your PC? You should stick with consoles then...
I hate when people show lack of appreciation for Valve's free updates.
We love you Valve! Please continue with your awesomeness.
On 5/12/2010 1:33 PM, Mark Gunnett wrote:
I honestly Don't know about this. One, I'm for it if it brings more
exploit
fixes to the CS:S Servers and clients. But I'm also against it in the
fact
that it is orangebox. It may be just TF2, but whenever a server gets full
I
take huge hits to FPS. I've had friends who had to quit playing TF2 cause
all of the updates have slowly turned that game into a monster when it
comes
to running it. I don't want to see the same thing happen to CS:S.
True, my rig may be crappy, but having to buy a new PC just to play a
game I
already own and runs great as it is (aside from the exploits), will not
make
me happy. But This is valve, and they are going to do it anyways whether
we
like it or not :)
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[hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.comhttp://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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holy shit... Thank you, Alec Sanger From: er...@valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:11:13 -0700 Subject: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.comhttp://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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So, CS:S is now a TF2 mod? :P I'M JUST KIDDING. CALM DOWN. Nice to finally see the game on the OB engine. Jonah Hirsch --- On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.comwrote: COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.com http://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Holy shit indeed From: crazydog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:15:29 -0700 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA So, CS:S is now a TF2 mod? :P I'M JUST KIDDING. CALM DOWN. Nice to finally see the game on the OB engine. Jonah Hirsch --- On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.comwrote: COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.com http://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Very nice, glad to see this finally come to the light of day! Shawn P. Zipay Community Manager MyInternetServices -- http://www.myinternetservices.com CS-Nation -- http://www.csnation.net Total Gaming Network -- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Jonah Hirsch crazydog...@gmail.com wrote: So, CS:S is now a TF2 mod? :P I'M JUST KIDDING. CALM DOWN. Nice to finally see the game on the OB engine. Jonah Hirsch --- On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.com wrote: COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.com http://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I got this feeling that made me all excited! 2010/5/11 Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.com COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.com http://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Any way to see the list of many source engine updates? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Eric Smith er...@valvesoftware.comwrote: COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta. The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements, a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more. This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam. The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using -game cssbeta in the command line. For more information, please visit www.steamgames.com http://www.steamgames.com. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
