seems like
it would be better just to make the correction and maybe have it send
a message to the mapper about what got changed.
Bryan Sayer
Original message ----
From: john whelan
Date: 04/24/2020 9:43 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Jean-Marc Liotier
Cc: "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian Ope
What I found when validating HOT tasks was that if I provided feedback that
wasn't too negative on the task "ie the african highway wiki suggests that
this type of highway should be mapped thus: with a link and reference to
the wiki rather than you done it wrong" then the mapper would go on to do
ave
sub district tagged already) - it's taken from this field, so
the data is already from OSM.
Thanks,
Rebecca
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:10 PM john whelan
mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Have you run this past th
this field, so the data is already
from OSM.
Thanks,
Rebecca
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:10 PM john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Have you run this past the import mailing list?
Thanks John
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 4:42 AM Rebecca Firth,
mailto:rebecca.fi...@h
Have you run this past the import mailing list?
Thanks John
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 4:42 AM Rebecca Firth,
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thank you so much for the continued support for HOT's Covid response. I'm
> getting in touch with a message for experienced JOSM users, in case you
> have some
As I said there are a number of technical solutions but in order to add
names and detail we need to document / simplify them (Mapping osm for
dummies?) and get them into the hands of people on the ground.
Cheerio John
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 09:37, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On 4/4/20 08:26, j
;
>>
>>
>> There is the Portable OpenStreetMap project but I suspect that needs to
>> be well supported by a team of people who know how it all works
>>
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/posm/posm
>>
>>
>>
>> That may be an option if w
Can it be done?
We have a problem with adding names and detail in developing countries. So
it needs to be cheap and rugged.
I'm thinking in terms of smartphone for mapping. You need to get data to
it and from it.
So step one OsmAndMapCreator and create an OSMAND map. USB stick in the
post.
The issue is more the web map will no longer render it. OSMAND may.
Perhaps talk to the people who render the map?
Cheerio John
Rafael Avila Coya wrote on 2020-03-29 2:57 PM:
Hi all:
For years we've been using the tag leisure=common for open areas
inside villages and towns in countries of
The other part of this is you are most vulnerable if you have an underlying
condition. So having a flu shot etc helps.
I think we can expect a vaccine within a year so knowing where the villages
are and how to get there even by motorcycle or bike will be helpful.
Cheerio John
On Fri, Mar 20,
Place names are probably one of the biggest challenges that we face and
unfortunately local knowledge on the ground is the best source. Some
data is available for imports such as school names but the quality is
variable only some line up with a building or even being within a
kilometer or
at 8:57 PM John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is a difference between HOT and OpenStreetMap. HOT adds
data to OpenStreetMap and has to follow OpenStreetMaps rules when
adding data as we all do.
If you are mapping from local knowledge ie I can see th
There is a difference between HOT and OpenStreetMap. HOT adds data to
OpenStreetMap and has to follow OpenStreetMaps rules when adding data as
we all do.
If you are mapping from local knowledge ie I can see this that is fine
by OpenStreetMap rules. The Import rules are for imports and are
There is considerable interest in importing buildings currently however
OpenStreetMap has rules around importing. Join talk-ca to see the
discussion in Canada. It isn't quite as simple as first appears nor as
fast to get consensus as one might like. In the case of Canada it has
taken a number
It depends on how you look at it and your standards.
First off we have the task manager system that came out of Haiti. It
isn't just used in HOT projects but elsewhere in OSM.
Next we have a degree of standardisation of things such as
highway=unclassified. The interesting thing here is how
and on which the official reforms have no
>> impact).
>>
>> So in conclusion, there's no other choice than Unicode today. Unicode is
>> mandatory in XML, and in OSM. Don't spak about legacy charsets. But we are
>> jsut concerned by support in fonts: ALL characters encoded
appear to meet the requirements. The argument that
we should change all the existing software to meet a requirement that
was not clearly defined when the software was written doesn't make sense
to me.
Cheerio John
Frederik Ramm wrote on 2019-11-28 3:25 AM:
John,
On 28.11.19 01:40, John
Is there any reason why name:en could not be used?
I'm not seeking to influence here but looking for enlightenment. In
Canada locally we are able to display the map in either English or
French certainly in OSMand. OSMand defaults to the name value if
name:fr is not available.
Thanks John
Something to think about. The tasking manager works quite well for
small areas but when the tiles get too large then OSM balks at the
download size.
What I have been doing recently is downloading an entire country,
cutting it up into chunks with OSMconvert then loading it into JOSM with
Thank you.
That was suggested by Andrew and works well.
Cheerio John
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 12:17 AM Claire Halleux,
wrote:
> You could activate a filter in JOSM to hide the trees while mapping.
>
> Claire
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:17 AM john whelan wrote:
>
>
I'm happy with HDM but if possible I'd like it not to display tree icons.
They're visually getting in the way when I'm mapping highways.
Any suggestions?
Thanks John
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to synchronize the data for
conflict resolution. But the synchronized data is not added to the
the conflict panel for conflict resolution.
Pierre
Le jeudi 4 juillet 2019 13 h 40 min 14 s UTC−4, john whelan
a écrit :
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an has no other info
> about his/her profile.
> Thanks @ John for the great job you re doing.
> Victor N.Sunday
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:41 PM Greg Rose via HOT
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like he deleted the master relation for the Niger River as well.
>>
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70916705
So far I've retagged some 750 buildings in different areas in Mali but the
changeset covers a lot of ground and a number of countries so it might be
nice for someone to have a look at what has happened.
The mapper has made no reply to a query.
un, 30 Jun 2019 at 11:24, Andrew Hain
wrote:
> Is there any sign of mappers being part of an organised activity or of
> someone having encouraged them to contribute?
>
> --
> Andrew
> ------
> *From:* John Whelan
> *Sent:* 29 June 2019 23:49
&g
I've been going over Mali adding in missing villages and hamlets working
in the southern and eastern part of Mali and cleaning up as I go. Adding
nodes to highways that cross but have no nodes, adding tags to untagged
ways etc. I even try to make sure each village has one highway at least
If you catch the problems early enough then the mapper gets both feedback
and corrected. Experimentally the impact drops off very quickly. So catch
them within the hour and they change how they map and usually map a bit
more. After a week it's not worth the effort of giving feedback.
>From a
ico Giovanni wrote:
>
> "Piste rurale" (better singular "pista rurale") cannot be a reference,
> since is a common name, which in italian simply means rural track/path.
>
> IMHO such tag should be removed
>
> Il mer 22 mag 2019, 15:00 john whelan ha scritto:
>
&
and I've seen it in other African countries.
Obviously it is not a valid name for a highway but how should it be tagged
if tagged at all?
Some are tagged ref=Piste rurale
Thoughts
Thanks John
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n from this process. All errors will
> remain in the OSM Database. That might be understandable in an emergency
> situation like now. But without direct feedback from map users we will
> never improve. We should also demand that more local knowledge will be
> shared with OSM. A simple thank y
There is another wiki guide
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa
both get updated from time to time. As a general rule of thumb I tag
highways between settlements as unclassified not track, I leave it to
the local mappers to say if it is a higher classification.
To draw a rectangular building in line with another takes two clicks in
JOSM using the buildings_tool plugin. Correctly labelled and square.
To correct a building drawn in iD that is untagged and the wrong shape
takes considerably more effort and time when validating.
If you catch the mapper
If you look at the survey it asks the question after two others about you
education level and "In what department did you complete your education?"
Which sort of implies an expectation that you have some sort of University
degree in something relevant.
Then look at the answers you need to select
6. What do you think about your professionalism in terms of skills
needed for OSM?* I'm a native English speaker and I haven't the foggiest
what you're on about.
Have a look at streetcomplete or attend a HOT mapathon in Africa then
rethink this question. I suggest you do some mapping in OSM
In Windows you can use a script to copy the files, compress them and
send them.
Android should have something equivalent. If not Microsoft Visual
Studio 2017 can build something that will run on android.
We seem to be forever seeing requests from students to write software
for OSM and HOT
John,
Thanks for bringing this up.
Does this mean we are excluding by default certain people by using Slack?
Cheers,
Jorieke
Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 00:45 schreef John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>>:
You may lose access to messages and files.
https://www.bbc.com/news/t
You may lose access to messages and files.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46642760
Just something to be aware of.
Cheerio John
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ne?
Me too was asking if it makes sense to apply algorithm to detect
damaged buildings on imagery to leverage the mapping speed in disaster
affected areas?
All the best,
Georgy
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 3:29 PM john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Essentially you are
Essentially you are proposing an import. There are OpenStreetMap rules
about how this should be done. It can be done, Microsoft has released
building outlines for the US which were created in this manner but the
import itself is being done in sections by conventional mappers.
You will need the
It was originally designed so that feedback could be given to mappers
tagging buildings in a city without resorting to overpass and other more
technical solutions.
It shows how many tags have been added and how rich they are. It
generates both list of tags used building= and other associated
One problems with this mapping project is it is difficult to see how many
have been mapped.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020
So I've been playing. The .OSM data structure does not lend it self easily
to this sort of thing. In particular you don't know
. However it could do with a
few more highways.
Cheerio John
On 31 August 2018 at 22:29, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> On 2018-08-26 18:24, john whelan wrote:
>
> In Mali there appears to be an import of schools based on UNICEF data.
> amenity=school source=UNICEF
> [..]
&
between two or more towns. So a significant number
> >> actually shouldn't be in a residential area.
> >>
> >>
> >> -AndrewBuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/26/2018 11:24 AM, john whelan wrote:
> >>&
about 1/2 km or so outside of the town, or
> about halfway between two or more towns. So a significant number
> actually shouldn't be in a residential area.
>
>
> -AndrewBuck
>
>
>
>
> On 08/26/2018 11:24 AM, john whelan wrote:
> > One of the nice things ab
One of the nice things about schools is they have pupils which implies
people living nearby.
In Mali there appears to be an import of schools based on UNICEF data.
amenity=school source=UNICEF
Could some nice person put together an overpass of any schools that are not
within a
> Le dim. 12 août 2018 à 20:46, john whelan a
> écrit :
>
>> So you could use them as postcode equivalents. Is any statistical data
>> available associated with an area? Such as population etc? The area used
>> to collect the data might be a better choice.
>>
>&
ed OLC instead of the degrees.
>
> https://twitter.com/BlakeGirardot/status/1028689726088388609
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 2:55 PM, john whelan
> wrote:
> > Open Location Code or Plus code is just a method of representing latitude
>
;61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> + 1 with John Whelan
>>
>> Every place already has an "address" simply called latitude, longitude.
>> The Open Location Code is simply another way of expressing that latitude,
>> longitude.
>>
>> If some platform wa
his is a potential useful system that seems well suited to
> solve some use cases in some locations but must be really wanted by
> the local community and driven from the ground up, hopefully in
> conjunction with other local actors in the area.
>
> Cheers John,
> blake
>
Open Location Code or Plus code is just a method of representing latitude
and longitude in a more human friendly way.
It was originally created by Google but has been released under an open
licence.
It is possible to set osmand to show coordinates as OLC. This means it can
display the OLC code
o learning and working on these issues together.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:02 AM john whelan wrote:
> One does hope that a manual check will be part of the process?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 9 August 2018 at 08:10, Blake Girardot wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>
One does hope that a manual check will be part of the process?
Thanks John
On 9 August 2018 at 08:10, Blake Girardot wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> In case you missed it, Dale Kunce tweeted this out yesterday:
>
> The day of Machine Learning and OSM/Humanitarian mapping reckoning is
> getting
These things do get picked up and corrected by mappers other than HOT
valifactors. If you are proposing a mechanical edit then there is due
process which should probably be followed if only to set a good example.
The other method is to bring them into JOSM select them. Correct them then
load
Generically when databases are overloaded they sometimes work better in the
early morning or before noon GMT. One technical reason is the log files
are shorter. So if you've been working in JOSM just save the file then try
an upload early next morning.
This also works on overloaded internet
--> osm keys (except source) on buidings child nodes */
> [out:xml][timeout:60];
>
> way({{bbox}})["building"]->.b;
> node(w.b)[!"source"](if:count_tags()>0);
> out meta;<; out meta;
> >; out meta;
>
>
> Pierre
>
>
> Le dimanche 8 juil
Thank you.
Cheerio John
On 8 July 2018 at 15:36, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> On 2018-07-08 21:22, john whelan wrote:
>
> I suspect its more general than just Chad since its more than one mapper.
> At 2,657 in Chad I'd say that's liveable with unless some kind soul could
> zap t
Sun, July 8, 2018 4:09 pm, john whelan wrote:
> > I'm seeing a fair number of these especially in CHAD. Could someone do
> an
> > overpass or whatever to see how big a problem it is?
>
> I loaded the following query into JOSM:
>
> [out:xml];
> {{geocodeArea:chad}}-&g
Jorieke Vyncke wrote:
> Where in Chad is this John?
>
> Jorieke
>
> 2018-07-08 15:09 GMT+01:00 john whelan :
>
>> I'm seeing a fair number of these especially in CHAD. Could someone do
>> an overpass or whatever to see how big a problem it is?
>>
>> and t
wrote:
> Where in Chad is this John?
>
> Jorieke
>
> 2018-07-08 15:09 GMT+01:00 john whelan :
>
>> I'm seeing a fair number of these especially in CHAD. Could someone do
>> an overpass or whatever to see how big a problem it is?
>>
>> and they were don
I'm seeing a fair number of these especially in CHAD. Could someone do an
overpass or whatever to see how big a problem it is?
and they were done months ago by mappers who haven't mapped recently.
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In the ideal world we can gain a lot of information from a perfectly mapped
building.
Unfortunately in the real world using beginners and editors without a
building_tool we end up with imperfectly mapped buildings.
Would we be better mapping them as nodes? It faster and studies have shown
Just a comment it might be nice if some more validation could be
organised.
I've just picked up 845 highway=road from one inexperienced HOT mapper,
about fifty ways tagged both building=yes and highway=road. Although Blake
did a nice job cleaning up 500 duplicates buildings but Malawi still has
; >>
> >> As TM is not available for validation, maybe the three task areas can be
> >> used for manual search.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Henning (hebolz)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
&
Perhaps a better idea might be what can be done with the data? AI mapping
isn't yet accepted by OpenStreetMap.
Getting some templates in something like R r.org that can be used locally
by bodies such as municipal government adds value to the mapping.
Hopefully mappers seeing more use being made
heir profile.
>
>
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2018 4:50 PM
> *To:* HOT <hot@openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* [HOT] hotosm task 580? in Namibia
>
>
>
> names ending in Westw
names ending in Westwood possibly some sort of school?
I've added tags to a few hundred untagged ways. There doesn't seem to be a
task 580 in HOT the mapping is fairly recent.
Is here any way to give a bit of feedback since there are so many untagged
ways? Mainly buildings, well roughly where
I'm seeing a number of these. If you are using JOSM to map square
buildings please use the building_tool plugin. If you're running a
mapathon and notice mappers are using JOSM perhaps give them a nudge if
they aren't using teh building_tool plugin.
Thanks John
Pete I've noticed a number of your messages are being directed to SPAM by
Gmail. This is one of them.
Cheerio John
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Cheerio John
On 13 March 2018 at 21:23, Lists <blsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That isn't the type of tablet I am talking about - not an iPad but the
> type graphic designers use.
>
>
>
> Bryan Sayer
>
>
> Original message
> From: john whelan <jwhe
My feeling is tablets are not ideal unless you use a mouse, a wireless one
would work fine. It's a matter of control, I have a Microsoft surface
tablet lying around it has the computing power but until I used a wireless
mouse with it I had difficulty with the pen.
JOSM should run under ubuntu.
Do we have a wiki page anywhere that lists the off line mapping options?
Thanks John
On 6 March 2018 at 11:54, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've come across a few hundred that have been mapped as bus_stops using
> maps.me on smartphones in Togo.
>
> Thes
I've come across a few hundred that have been mapped as bus_stops using
maps.me on smartphones in Togo.
These have been mapped as nodes.
Does anyone have any suggestions on a better way to map them? Ideally
using maps.me since that would keep the training simpler.
Poor internet connections so
Do we care?
Are we seeing a drop off in the numbers mapping?
Could someone put some numbers in so we can see a % figure on how bad the
problem is? My expectation is considering the numbers involved the
fraction of aid workers involved would be very low.
The expense of vetting local volenteers
Perhaps the board could come up with a policy that either says we don't
care about such things and recognise that it will be dangerous for some to
attend or we only hold HOT summits in places that are safe from local laws
for all.
It should certainly be drawn to the attention of anyone planning
There are a number of initiatives going forward including one in Canada but
it would appear that it should be possible to extract building footprints
fairly accurately using this method.
"I confirm that we (NRCAN) are working on a process to extract building
footprints from airborne LiDAR data "
ng (p2p
>> or via server) so that you know whether you're safe on WiFi or killing the
>> internet connection...
>>
>> There is an app called FireChat, that apparently can do p2p off-internet.
>> It's proprietary, and I haven't looking into it much. However, it strikes
>&g
net> wrote:
> Please contact http://www.servalproject.org their project focuses exactly
> on this matter.
>
> On Jan 11, 2018 12:59 AM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem was mentioned some time ago in reference to a refugee ca
The problem was mentioned some time ago in reference to a refugee camp in
Europe.
You need csip simple and to know the phone's ip address. IP checker is a
simple free app that will how this.
"Just install csip simple and create a profile called "user", not linked to
any server. To call another
in
> Humanitarian-Specific tags would be most useful to us'.
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Rupert
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 4:53 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The first comment is It looks reasonable to me but I'm not the technical
stage, or
> perhaps run by the task owner)?
>
> If anybody wants to get together to discuss those planning/ best
> practice-related issues, I'd be very happy to join in!
>
> Bjoern
>
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 at 19:12, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>&
A snapshot of 10% of Uganda gave me 870 duplicate buildings. This is where
two buildings overlap by more than 50%. This is merely to give you an idea
of the scope of the problem.
If you are relying on the data then running Mike Thompson's detect building
script will find any duplicates in your
vehicle → roads to houses with metal roofs
> are unclassified or residential (not path).
>
> Do you all agree?
> Bjoern
>
> On 21 Dec 2017 15:44, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's come up in the OSMand mailing list that these aren't shown at
Apparently iD can be invoked with customised presets.
Another item on the TM3 to do list perhaps.
Cheerio John
On 26 December 2017 at 18:07, yo paseopor wrote:
> I think We need some preset for JOSM or customized iD for these HOT custom
> project or specific zone
Whilst working on the Stat Can building project I was made aware that a
customised version of iD was possible.
In Africa one of the data quality problems is the highways being tagged as
living_street by new mappers. It isn't in the African highway wiki as an
option but it is in the standard
eders or workers in forests: the
> equipement is very minimalist (including for sanitisation or drinkable
> water, just collected in nearby rivers) and the rest of the time the tracks
> will not be maintained or could be vegetated. They will become visible
> again during short periods of
u go into a project page as if you intend to map; on the bottom
> of the description is the ‘metadata’ section; including at the very bottom
> “Mapper level required” and “Validator role required”. If mapper level is
> required, it correlates to the Difficulty.
>
>
>
> Welcom
alidation to those who have been
> given the role by a project manager. You can also restrict mapping to only
> those who have achieved (or been promoted) to Intermediate or Advanced
> mapper status.
>
>
>
> Merry Mapping!
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* john whelan [
There seems to be some new restriction on some mappers.
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It's come up in the OSMand mailing list that these aren't shown at higher
zoom levels. Whilst mapping specifically just for the rendering system is
frowned on in this case it is supported by the wiki.
If it connects settlements then according to
Could it be a different Dale Kunce?
Could the president of HOT confirm that this twitter account isn't his?
Many Thanks
Cheerio John
On 18 December 2017 at 17:18, nicolas chavent
wrote:
> Dear HOT US Inc, OSMF members and HOT mailing list subscribers,
>
> I
It was apparent on at least a dozen tiles with different mappers. One
classic one was a highway that ran top right to bottom left, four segments
of highway and three of no highway and that sort of matched the pattern on
the tile view in TM. Several places where the image was a bit darker the
I'm looking at project 3890 which apparently was prepossessed by mapswipe.
I think the mapswipe overlay has now been removed but what I have noticed
is a number of highways in a straight line are not connected up. You get a
stretch of highway then nothing other than a faint mark on the imagery
In the UK at the end of the evening there is a well known phrase used in
places that serve alcohol.
"Time gentlemen please."
The post that set this off had an element of frustration and it was
unfortunate that the subject was a sensitive one at that time. With a bit
of good will it could have
>but it's probably not clear to the average participant in the hot@ mailing
list whether they are automatically made a part of the HOT community.
I think there are two parts, those who subscribe to the current mailing
list and the "inner clique" who are invited to become a HOT member.
gt; - add an exception for this certificate
>
> From this point on, all should work correctly. (I've seen issues on
> Webkit-based browsers - Safari, Chromium, Chrome - due to their different
> way of handling certificates, FF is easiest to setup)
>
> Cheers,
> Jan "Piskvor&q
Anyone any experience about what works especially which browser works with
task manager and passes through the remote control stuff.
I am aware that IMAC or Windows is a religious choice and would prefer not
to get into any discussion of religion.
Thanks John
and the most recently mapped tiles?
I'm lazy and I normally do more validation than mapping. If I give
feedback within 24 hours then mappers tend to correct their new mapping and
there is less work for me to do when validating.
If its been more than a week then my rule of thumb is there is
If you're using JOSM to validate just select all the buildings (search)
then select within nodes:4 then press q.
In TM2 you could do multiple tiles at once but TM3 places each tile on a
separate whatever.
Squaring them isn't to me quite so much of an issue as when you do it the
alignment etc may
lden bullet, but I think overall this is a good HOT
> initiative
>
> I really appreciate this conversation and, personally, think it is a
> discussion that needs to be had... I'm glad it's resurfaced.
>
> Pete
>
> Ps. Sorry if the email is a bit rambling (it's late and
sting things is easier than actually doing them, and I
> don't think my JS is good enough to do it.
>
>
> On 09/12/17 20:59, john whelan wrote:
>
>> Recently there has been some discussion of HOT's input into OpenStreetMap
>> in the OSMF mailing list.
>>
>> Pe
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