Re: Unix file system - space release question
Hi I don't know if it is an sftp specific issue or not We have here never used sftp, but we are using ZFS instead of HFS. For me it would be interesting to know who is writing full the file system. Maybe a TRAP on errno2 if it is not clear On 30.07.2012 07:31, NAIDOO, Raleigh wrote: I have configured sftp to run under USS on my z/OS V1.11 system. The physical HFS file system associated with sftp files seems to continuously run out of space. The data in this physical file system is transient in that it is removed once it has been copied to the mainframe for inbound files and sent on for outbound files. Therefore, we should not see any cumulative growth in size of the physical file system but there is. I read somewhere that there is a sync daemon which runs at specified intervals which release unused space. How does work and what can I check to see if it setup correctly? Any other suggestions on how to manage this fragmentation like space creep. Thanks, Raleigh Naidoo Senior Systems Programmer AXA Technology Services Australia Level 5, 750 Collins St, Docklands, VIC 3008 raleigh.nai...@axa-tech.com Office: +61 3 86883969 - Mobile/Cell +61 412 257 543 Ce message est confidentiel; Son contenu ne represente en aucun cas un engagement de la part de AXA Technology Services (AXA Tech) sous reserve de tout accord conclu par ecrit entre vous et AXA Technology Services (AXA Tech).Toute publication, utilisation ou diffusion,meme partielle, doit etre autorisee prealablement. Si vous n'etes pas destinataire de ce message, merci d'en avertir immediatement l'expe- diteur. This message is confidential; its contents do not constitute a commitment by AXA Technology Services (AXA Tech) except where provi- ded for in a written agreement between you and AXA Technology Services (AXA Tech). Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemina- tion, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender imme- diately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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kumar Podila kumar0...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Miklos Szigetvari lt;miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.comgt; To: IBM-MAIN lt;IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDUgt; Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Unix file system - space release question Hi I don't know if it is an sftp specific issue or not We have here never used sftp, but we are using ZFS instead of HFS. For me it would be interesting to know who is writing full the file system. Maybe a TRAP on errno2 if it is not clear On 30.07.2012 07:31, NAIDOO, Raleigh wrote: gt; I have configured sftp to run under USS on my z/OS V1.11 system. The physical HFS file system associated with sftp files seems to continuously run out of space. The data in this physical file system is transient in that it is removed once it has been copied to the mainframe for inbound files and sent on for outbound files. Therefore, we should not see any cumulative growth in size of the physical file system but there is. I read somewhere that there is a sync daemon which runs at specified intervals which release unused space. How does work and what can I check to see if it setup correctly? Any other suggestions on how to manage this fragmentation like space creep. gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Raleigh Naidoo gt; Senior Systems Programmer gt; AXA Technology Services Australia gt; Level 5, 750 Collins St, Docklands, VIC 3008 gt; raleigh.nai...@axa-tech.com gt; Office: +61 3 86883969 - Mobile/Cell +61 412 257 543 gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Ce message est confidentiel; Son contenu ne represente en aucun cas gt; un engagement de la part de AXA Technology Services (AXA Tech) sous gt; reserve de tout accord conclu par ecrit entre vous et AXA Technology gt; Services (AXA Tech).Toute publication, utilisation ou diffusion,meme gt; partielle, doit etre autorisee prealablement. Si vous n'etes pas gt; destinataire de ce message, merci d'en avertir immediatement l'expe- gt; diteur. gt; gt; This message is confidential; its contents do not constitute a gt; commitment by AXA Technology Services (AXA Tech) except where provi- gt; ded for in a written agreement between you and AXA Technology gt; Services (AXA Tech). Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemina- gt; tion, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the gt; intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender imme- gt; diately. gt; gt; gt; -- gt; For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, gt; send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
For me, punched card isn't quite as easy to pronounce as punch card, but I have some difficulties saying iced tea. Perhaps ice' tea would be more a more accurate representation. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! Hard as it may be to do so, let's also try to avoid 'punch card', using 'punched card' instead. Why? It is a card that you can punch holes in, but it is not punched when you initially take it out of the box. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Fwd: improve IO scheduling to MFNetDisk emulated 3390 disks
-- Forwarded message -- From: Shai Hess mfnetd...@mfnetdisk.com Date: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:24 PM Subject: improve IO scheduling to MFNetDisk emulated 3390 disks To: shai.h...@gmail.com ** HI, Many performance improvement lastly change the timing issue of MFNetDisk. The throughput increase and IO request elapse time decreased. This situation change the scheduling issue dramatically. High priority jobs start to control the disk per UCB (with CIOD which is like IBM PAV, no problems). Low IO priority wait more time for IO. For example if you run many SUBSYSTEM IO with high IO priority per second per one IO device (High IOQ time in RMF) and you try to run VTOC list using ISPF 3.4, the listing of the VTOC may take long time because IOS serve the high priority first and it may be taken long time before the ISPF 3.4 will received IO service time. To eliminate this condition I make some changes to the MFNetDisk IOS to give more but small IO services time to low priority job like TSO user to eliminate timeout condition and to response in fair time and not for unexpected long time as it may be when the IOQ per UCB is very high. So, PTFID=211 is ready for download. The change is in MFNetDisk MF. The PTFID description: Improve IO scheduling for MFNetDisk disk emulation to enable low job IO priority to run as well in fair time. This eliminates cases where many high IO priority jobs control IO scheduling and low IO priority jobs are delayed. July 30, 2012 Thanks, God bless you. Shai Hess, MFNetDisk product. -- Thank. God bless you, Shai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Top posting
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: More precisely, it specifies that a response follow the text being responded to and that you not quote text you are not responding to. A better term might be interspersed bottom posting. Good formal term. ;-) The standard Internet posting style is to quote each snippet that you are responding to and to follow it with the response, not quoting anything else. If you do that, then the reader can see the context without scrolling through large amounts of extraneous material. Just curious, while I agree 100% with what you wrote, where is that standard written? I seem to recall that in a previous thread, that standard was mentioned, but could not find it. Oh, as usual, many thanks for your educational posts. ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht Well, did I followed your 'standards' properly? ;-D -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:03:06 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Paul Gilmartin is almost right. Both the reader and the punch read and punched what they were presented with. What is that supposed to mean? Bit 2 of the CCW opcode selected whether to read/punch EBCDIC or column binary. Was that uniformly true? A colleague of mine who had been using a CDC 6400 as a graduate student took a job with IBM in NY. He took some useful information with him in CDC column binary format; two CDC Display Code characters per column. He set himself his first IBM Assembler exercise reading the data and converting to EBCDIC. When he got there, he was dismayed to be told that the CDC binary format could not be read on IBM equipment, at least not without a (separately priced?) feature. (Hardware? Software?) True? Or just brush off of a newbie by an admin who didn't want to make a configuration change to enable a feature? No S/360 operating system used column binary for object decks. I don't recall whether SOS, FMS and IBSYS used column binary or row binary on the earlier 704, 709, 704x and 709x. IIRC, data were generally column binary. Some readers read row binary with software matrix transposition. Hard as it may be to do so, let's also try to avoid 'punch card', using 'punched card' instead. Why? It is a card that you can punch holes in, but it is not punched when you initially take it out of the box. Punchable card? Is motor oil not motor oil until it's installed in a motor? Is cat food not cat food until ...? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: Is motor oil not motor oil until it's installed in a motor? Is cat food not cat food until ...? cf. baby oil vs. whale oil ... when you get right down to it, English isn't much of a language. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unix file system - space release question
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:31:13 +1000, NAIDOO, Raleigh wrote: SSBoYXZlIGNvbmZpZ3VyZWQgc2Z0cCB0byBydW4gdW5kZXIgVVNTIG9uIG15IHovT1MgVjEuMTEg c3lzdGVtLiBUaGUgcGh5c2ljYWwgSEZTIGZpbGUgc3lzdGVtIGFzc29jaWF0ZWQgd2l0aCBzZnRw A. C'mon! Are you using the df -v command to investigate this further? As long as any process holds a file open, its space is not released, even after it's unlinked. I would not expect sftp to misbehave in this respect. But do you have other processes, perhaps batch jobs, that may be holding files open? I believe there's a utility (fuser? perhaps on the Tools and Toys page?) that shows open files. But I don't know whether it reports unlinked files. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
Lindy Mayfield wrote: For me, punched card isn't quite as easy to pronounce as punch card, but I have some difficulties saying iced tea. Perhaps ice' tea would be more a more accurate representation. That's really syncopehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncope_%28phonetics%29 (arguably apocopehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocope, but since it's a compound word, I'd say syncope). And not worth debating, as such...folks understand you either way! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
English can be wielded with great precision; but it, and American English in particular, often is not. The term 'ice tea' has now, for example, largely supplanted 'iced tea' among the subliterate; etc., etc., ad nauseam. When punched cards were in wide use 'punch cards' was avoided, but those who wish to use 'punch cards' are of course free to do so, as I am free to deprecate it. --jg On 7/30/12, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: Is motor oil not motor oil until it's installed in a motor? Is cat food not cat food until ...? cf. baby oil vs. whale oil ... when you get right down to it, English isn't much of a language. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unix file system - space release question
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:05:44 +0200, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi I don't know if it is an sftp specific issue or not We have here never used sftp, but we are using ZFS instead of HFS. For me it would be interesting to know who is writing full the file system. Maybe a TRAP on errno2 if it is not clear On 30.07.2012 07:31, NAIDOO, Raleigh wrote: I have configured sftp to run under USS on my z/OS V1.11 system. The physical HFS file system associated with sftp files seems to continuously run out of space. The data in this physical file system is transient in that it is removed once it has been copied to the mainframe for inbound files and sent on for outbound files. Therefore, we should not see any cumulative growth in size of the physical file system but there is. I read somewhere that there is a sync daemon which runs at specified intervals which release unused space. How does work and what can I check to see if it setup correctly? Any other suggestions on how to manage this fragmentation like space creep. Sync typically runs every few seconds. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/bpxza4c0/17.15 Title: z/OS V1R13.0 UNIX System Services User's Guide Document Number: SA22-7801-14 describes 17.15 Listing process IDs of processes with open files It appears that fuser -cu might provide useful information. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
Fair dinkum mate? I thought you were comin' the raw prawn with me. We could blow the froth off a few and jaw wag about that for ages. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! English can be wielded with great precision; but it, and American English in particular, often is not. The term 'ice tea' has now, for example, largely supplanted 'iced tea' among the subliterate; etc., etc., ad nauseam. When punched cards were in wide use 'punch cards' was avoided, but those who wish to use 'punch cards' are of course free to do so, as I am free to deprecate it. --jg On 7/30/12, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: Is motor oil not motor oil until it's installed in a motor? Is cat food not cat food until ...? cf. baby oil vs. whale oil ... when you get right down to it, English isn't much of a language. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Top posting
Synthesizing a compromise: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:42:02 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: Sorry, I use the web interface and I still hate (is that too strong a word) top posting. I naturally read from the top down and scrolling down, reading, then scrolling up, while scrolling down again to read a post, then scrolling up again gets me dizzy. I use NoScript to disable scripts as much as feasible, in a vain attempt to send a message to web authors (who are making it ever less feasible.) So I don't see mouseovers. Except I see (some of) xkcd's mousovers. How? I enabled scripts for ua.edu. Still no mouseovers. Something in Preferences? (LISTSERV's or Firefox's?) Wouldn't it be neat if LISTSERV provided a synopsis option, either as an auxiliary text entry box, or by markup in the message body? But this effect might be achieved by top-posting a synopsis, then reverting to interspersed bottom-posting for the remainder of the ply. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In 45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf17f90...@sdkmbx02.emea.sas.com, on 07/30/2012 at 09:28 AM, Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@sas.com said: For me, punched card isn't quite as easy to pronounce as punch card, but I have some difficulties saying iced tea. Perhaps ice' tea would be more a more accurate representation. I don't see it; iced tea is tea that already has ice cubes in it, or at least has already been cooled, not tea that you intend to ice. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Top posting
In 8693414129914945.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/30/2012 at 05:48 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Just curious, while I agree 100% with what you wrote, where is that standard written? I seem to recall that in a previous thread, that standard was mentioned, but could not find it. The first place I'd look is http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In 8848452157165904.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/30/2012 at 09:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Was that uniformly true? Was what universally true. I don't know of any S/360 card equipment that used nonstandard CCW opcodes for read and punch. If you're extending it to any other product line then all bets are off. In particular, there were devices that did only column binary or only row binary. I don't recall whether column binary on the 2501 and 2540 was a standard feature or a priced option. I'm pretty sure it was standard on the 3505. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Odd request: anyone know of where I might find a 4361 or a 4381?
Totally off the wall request, but I've been contacted by a museum to try to locate a 4361 or 4381 CPU and console terminal. Slight preference for the 4361 because of the integrated 3270 and ICA adapters, but either will do. This will be tough. It seems the big purge of 43xx hardware from the used market was about 10 or 15 years ago. Since then, I have only seen two 4381s pop up (both went to Europe), and a 4331. At this point, you will need a bunch of good old fashion luck and legwork. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Working Set = Real Frames + Aux Slots?
If I want to know the working set size of a task can I just add real storage frames in use and aux slots in use? Or is an aux slot not released until freemain or end of task? For example taskA is using 100 real storage frames then gets swapped out so 100 aux slots are used then is swapped back in. Do I now have 100 real frames and 100 aux slots? Yes I know that not all 100 frames would be sent to aux, just trying to keep the example simple. I am attempting to track gradual storage growth across many tasks. Up until last week we never paged so aux in use was zero for most asids. Something happened (not sure what yet) and lots of asids were stolen from with resulting usage of aux. Now when I add real + aux I see much higher allocation than before aux usage. TIA Ken Porowski -- This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information of CIT Group Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates (collectively, CIT), and are intended solely for the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, any use, disclosure, printing, copying or distribution, or reliance on the contents, of this communication is strictly prohibited. CIT disclaims any liability for the review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication by persons other than the intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender advising of the error in transmission, and immediately delete and destroy the communication and any accompanying materials. To the extent permitted by applicable law, CIT and others may inspect, review, monitor, analyze, copy, record and retain any communications sent from or received at this email address. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
Of such distinctions as that between 'iced tea' and 'ice tea' Phil Smith writes: | And not worth debating, as such...folks understand you either way! This view is the predominant one among usage-preoccupied linguists. Usage, by anyone, legitimates [almost] any construct In fact, however, things are otherwise. Two examples will help to make clear what I mean. Many American blacks say 'aksed' where I say 'asked'. Now this is not an error. It is a dialectal variant. There is an important sense in which 'aksed' is every bit as legitimate as 'asked', and there are contexts in which it is literally unremarkable. Still, the heard-out-of-context use of 'aksed' can be disqualifying. American blacks who wish to function effectively in some contexts--It is open to them to have no such wish--need to speak different, appropriate dialects in different situations; and many of them do so routinely and all but reflexively. Or again, Knuth recounts an anecdote, in his book 'Quiddities', of listening to learn whether a speaker at a scientific meeting would use the word 'data' in the singular or the plural. Its use in the singular was disqualifying. Knuth listened no more. Now it is certainly possible to disagree with Knuth, to judge that usage amply justifies, even sanctifies, the use of 'data' in the singular. Knuth was nevertheless a towering figure, one of the greatest logicians, philosophers, and, yes, linguists of the 20th century; and his judgments were consequential. There were and are circumstances in which ignoring the judgments of such figures would be foolhardy. It is possible to stigmatize them as élitist, but doing so does not make them inconsequential. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTPS windows client
Bluezone, Filezilla and CoreFTP will work on a vanilla network configuration. WS-SCP will work for hfs/zfs files but not on mvs data sets. If you have a firewall that addresses are being NAT'd, then Bluezone will work but I have had no success with either Filezilla or CoreFTP. From the threads on the Filezilla forums, it appears that the Filezilla developers seem to be on a kick that does not include extended passive support. I am unsure about the txt interface for Bluezone, Filezilla or CoreFTP. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Juan Mautalen jgmauta...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Hi: i am looking for a Windows FTP client to connect to a z/OS FTP server. It must have: - SSL support (our z/OS FTP server is configured to only accept secure connections over SSL). - MVS datasets support (not just z/OS Unix files). - Free. - Line command interface. It should be able to read commands from a txt windows file. Are you aware of any such program? Thanks in advance, JUAN MAUTALEN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Odd request: anyone know of where I might find a 4361 or a 4381?
I was thinking maybe GSA or some of the OEM's that used 43xx's internally. MASSTOR comes to mind, but I haven't seen one of those for ages. In a message dated 7/30/2012 2:05:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wdonze...@gmail.com writes: seen two 4381s pop up (both went to Europe), and a 4331. At this point, you will need a bunch of good old fashion luck and legwork -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTPS windows client
MOVEit Freely 5.5.0.0 - Secure FTP Client. http://www.ipswitchft.com/moveitfreely From: Juan Mautalen jgmauta...@yahoo.com.ar To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: FTPS windows client Hi: i am looking for a Windows FTP client to connect to a z/OS FTP server. It must have: - SSL support (our z/OS FTP server is configured to only accept secure connections over SSL). - MVS datasets support (not just z/OS Unix files). - Free. - Line command interface. It should be able to read commands from a txt windows file. Are you aware of any such program? Thanks in advance, JUAN MAUTALEN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! Knuth recounts an anecdote, in his book 'Quiddities', of listening to learn whether a speaker at a scientific meeting would use the word 'data' in the singular or the plural. Its use in the singular was disqualifying. Knuth listened no more. Now it is certainly possible to disagree with Knuth, to judge that usage amply justifies, even sanctifies, the use of 'data' in the singular. Knuth was nevertheless a towering figure, one of the greatest logicians, philosophers, and, yes, linguists of the 20th century; and his judgments were consequential. There were and are circumstances in which ignoring the judgments of such figures would be foolhardy. It is possible to stigmatize them as élitist, but doing so does not make them inconsequential. I do know that data is the nominative and accusative plural form of the singular Latin noun datum, and should require a plural form of any associated verb IN CORRECT LATIN, but I have heard data is my whole life when listening to conversational English (not Latin), find data are to sound strange, and have learned to accept both forms in other people's speech. I have also learned to ignore, as horrifying as it is to my ears, the British use of a plural verb with a singular subject, such as Her Majesty's Government are inclined to... or the Australian swimming team are slightly ahead in the Olympic finals. I can understand their perfectionistic concern for their language, but I cannot understand their bloody inconsistency when they require data are and also government are. Perhaps it all boils down to whether one feels that the subject (data, government, team, etc.) is singular or plural. I can comfortably imagine that data could be singular if one is thinking of all the data as a whole data set rather than all the millions of little individual datums. My concept of water subsumes the entire Atlantic Ocean as well as a single molecule of H2O. When I hear or read a subject-verb inconsistency, I experience a brief blip in the continuously parsing and proofreading microcircuity in my brain, I remember where the speaker or writer learned his English, and I move on in my mind to reconnect with the topic being discussed. If the eminent American (and not British) Knuth had continued listening after disqualifying a speaker, he might have learned a lot more about everything, including modesty and patience. Just as you recommended that one should learn when to use and when not to use one's own native dialect, I would suggest that one should also know when to require and when not to require a speaker to speak perfectly according to one's own parochial set of perceived grammar rules. There were and are circumstances in which ignoring the rest of a speech at a scientific meeting, after one's sense of grammatically required constructs is first outraged, might not be wise or inconsequential. I can imagine someone's shouting Everybody get out! The building are on fire! in a scientific meeting and all the elitists remain seated while the subliterate escape with their lives. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane . Franklin, TN 37069-2526 . USA t: +1.617.614.4503 . e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com . w: www.rocketsoftware.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
I agree with much of what Bill says, but I must also correct a serious error I made. Where I wrote Knuth in my earlier post I shold have written [Willard van Orman] Quine. Knuth is an eminent mathematician and computer scientist. He is not a logician, philosopher, or linguist. I think the major difference between my views and Bill's is that mine are descriptive and his are prescriptive. I was trying to describe the world as I see it, and he was describing the way he would like it to be. I have now said all that I think I can usefully say about this topic. On 7/30/12, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! Knuth recounts an anecdote, in his book 'Quiddities', of listening to learn whether a speaker at a scientific meeting would use the word 'data' in the singular or the plural. Its use in the singular was disqualifying. Knuth listened no more. Now it is certainly possible to disagree with Knuth, to judge that usage amply justifies, even sanctifies, the use of 'data' in the singular. Knuth was nevertheless a towering figure, one of the greatest logicians, philosophers, and, yes, linguists of the 20th century; and his judgments were consequential. There were and are circumstances in which ignoring the judgments of such figures would be foolhardy. It is possible to stigmatize them as élitist, but doing so does not make them inconsequential. I do know that data is the nominative and accusative plural form of the singular Latin noun datum, and should require a plural form of any associated verb IN CORRECT LATIN, but I have heard data is my whole life when listening to conversational English (not Latin), find data are to sound strange, and have learned to accept both forms in other people's speech. I have also learned to ignore, as horrifying as it is to my ears, the British use of a plural verb with a singular subject, such as Her Majesty's Government are inclined to... or the Australian swimming team are slightly ahead in the Olympic finals. I can understand their perfectionistic concern for their language, but I cannot understand their bloody inconsistency when they require data are and also government are. Perhaps it all boils down to whether one feels that the subject (data, government, team, etc.) is singular or plural. I can comfortably imagine that data could be singular if one is thinking of all the data as a whole data set rather than all the millions of little individual datums. My concept of water subsumes the entire Atlantic Ocean as well as a single molecule of H2O. When I hear or read a subject-verb inconsistency, I experience a brief blip in the continuously parsing and proofreading microcircuity in my brain, I remember where the speaker or writer learned his English, and I move on in my mind to reconnect with the topic being discussed. If the eminent American (and not British) Knuth had continued listening after disqualifying a speaker, he might have learned a lot more about everything, including modesty and patience. Just as you recommended that one should learn when to use and when not to use one's own native dialect, I would suggest that one should also know when to require and when not to require a speaker to speak perfectly according to one's own parochial set of perceived grammar rules. There were and are circumstances in which ignoring the rest of a speech at a scientific meeting, after one's sense of grammatically required constructs is first outraged, might not be wise or inconsequential. I can imagine someone's shouting Everybody get out! The building are on fire! in a scientific meeting and all the elitists remain seated while the subliterate escape with their lives. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane . Franklin, TN 37069-2526 . USA t: +1.617.614.4503 . e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com . w: www.rocketsoftware.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Some IBM internet IP addresses changing on 26 Aug 2012
On 29 Jul 2012 19:21:56 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: In d62518tlvl2c80hjdjfkc5lqmc5icg9...@4ax.com, on 07/27/2012 at 09:27 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: I would agree so that is why I question the changing of IP addresses. Are you saying that you don't see why there might be a need to reconfigure firewalls after changing if IPv4 addresses? I am saying that I see no need for IBM to change from 1 V4 address to another when such change could cause customers to have to change firewall configuration(s) or in any other way cause customer inconvenience. Any change of address (URL or IP) on the part of IBM can and probably will cause problems for at least some customers and therefore IBM should avoid doing so if at all possible. Clark Morris If it was from V4 to V6, Changing from one IPv4 address to another is enough to potentially raise firewall issues. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTPS windows client
A few people mentioned BlueZone FTP, so I am replying with specifics. It is free and you can download it from bluezone.rocketsoftware.com. It supports text-based automation so you can create BlueZone Transfer List and execute them from within the GUI or pass the transfer list filename as a command line switch. The online help has the information about how to use those features. It works well with the Z/OS files system and has support for the CO:Z SSH Server You can email me off the list if you have any questions. Best regards, Steve Bireley Managing Director Research and Development Rocket Software 70 Main St., Suite 51 • Warrenton, VA 20186 • USA Tel: +1.404.364.1731 • Mobile: +1.571.216.3530 Email: sbire...@rocketsoftware.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Using SSH or SCP in REXX under TSO
Hi Kirk. My company is in the process of getting rid of zOS. By July 1, 2014, there will be no more z10 (zVM will be gone by July 1, 2013). I accomplished what I needed to do. Thank you for your help. Yours truly, Uriel From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Kirk Wolf [k...@dovetail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Using SSH or SCP in REXX under TSO Uriel, z/OS is a great environment, it is a pity that your z/OS system has been stabilized. FWIW, Co:Z is offered under two licensing models: 1) the free Community License 2) an enterprise license and support agreement See: http://dovetail.com/support.html Several of the largest financial institutions in the world are enterprise customers. Please contact me offline if you need more information. Regards, Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca wrote: Hi John. Great suggestion. For me to get Co:Z I would need to register Dovetail as a vendor even if we pay nothing. That would require a complete check on the company. Think about all the checks a bank wants to do on you when you request a $1m loan. Then I would need authorization from finance that the licenses and financial arrangements are the best we can get. Finance will ask me to review three options and present them all to them for a decision. I will then have to take the product to an IT review committee, mostly architects. At that point they will tell me that nothing new can be installed on the MF since it is off-limit. All new applications go on the Unix or Windows platform. I agree, Co:Z looks like a terrific product. I had read the manual a few months back. So I need to do my task with what I have. Cheers, Uri -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IEFACTRT changed in z/os 1.13 was: Drowning in service units on z/os 1.13 after migrating from v1.11
If you feel you must back it out, just *reverse* the following code change in IEFACTRT (text from APAR OA31624): LOCAL FIX: Reassemble the exit and change the label under the GET INFORMATION FROM PERFORMANCE SECTION from LGR01,SMF30SRB_L GET SERVICE UNITS USED to LGR01,SMF30SRV_L GET SERVICE UNITS USED On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Jim Mooney jmoo...@princesscruises.com wrote: Well, after a review of smf30 records we find that those here who mentioned IEFACTRT win the gold (even though the open cermonies don't start until later tonight in London). The IBM supplied sample member IEEACTRT for z/os 1.13 has changed the calculation for service units. The v1.11 exit 'service units' included only SRB time, while the v1.13 exit 'service units' include TCB, SRB, I/O and MSO. Here is the comment from the source that indicates there has been a change: */*$P7= OA31624 HBB7770 100128 PDRJ: IEEACTRT USING WRONG FIELD @P7A*/ */* FOR TOTAL SERVICE UNITS@P7A*/ */* (SUG APAR) @P7A*/ So those using the vanilla IEFACTRT should expect this new calculation. As for us, we continue chasing the other half of this issue - increased wait times for our batch jobs. We have been here before. We were cpu constrained on z/os v1.11. Two months ago we took several measures to improve our batch 'window'. And now, after upgrading to v1.13 (with no hdwr or memory changes) we have again become a bit more cpu constrained. This is my theory: z/os v1.13 = more overhead. Does anyone here claim that we should be observing *less* overhead on v1.13 compared to v1.11? Thx again for the excellent guidance. -Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IEFACTRT changed in z/os 1.13 was: Drowning in service units on z/os 1.13 after migrating from v1.11
Doesn't backing out normally refer to restoring a module to remove a problem? In this case, it would be to restore the problem. There is no valid reason for such an action. If you feel you must back it out, just *reverse* the following code change in IEFACTRT (text from APAR OA31624): LOCAL FIX: Reassemble the exit and change the label under the GET INFORMATION FROM PERFORMANCE SECTION from LGR01,SMF30SRB_L GET SERVICE UNITS USED to LGR01,SMF30SRV_L GET SERVICE UNITS USED -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 6 Member Parallel Sysplex - timezone
Mike, Thanks for the post. I don't have TECH QA support. I've asked our IBM rep to see if they can get the HSM question answered. Will check into the RMM configurations Regards, jeff -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: Was what universally true. What he quoted, using your precious non-top-posting. Sheesh. If you're gonna preach it, learn to use it. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 29 Jul 2012 to 30 Jul 2012 (#2012-212)
Like a Diamond in the Rough! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: IBM-MAIN automatic digest system lists...@listserv.ua.edu Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:00:01 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM-MAIN Digest - 29 Jul 2012 to 30 Jul 2012 (#2012-212) http://www.lsoft.com http://listserv.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN Digest - 29 Jul 2012 to 30 Jul 2012 (#2012-212) Table of contents: * Unix file system - space release question (5) * INFO IBM-MAIN * Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (14) * Fwd: improve IO scheduling to MFNetDisk emulated 3390 disks * Top posting (5) * ShopZseries unavailable? * Odd request: anyone know of where I might find a 4361 or a 4381? (2) * Working Set = Real Frames + Aux Slots? (2) * FTPS windows client (5) * Some IBM internet IP addresses changing on 26 Aug 2012 * Using SSH or SCP in REXX under TSO * IEFACTRT changed in z/os 1.13 was: Drowning in service units on z/os 1.13 after migrating from v1.11 (2) * 6 Member Parallel Sysplex - timezone 1. Unix file system - space release question * Unix file system - space release question (07/30) From: NAIDOO, Raleigh raleigh.nai...@axa-tech.com * Re: Unix file system - space release question (07/30) From: Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com * Re: Unix file system - space release question (07/30) From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * Re: Unix file system - space release question (07/30) From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com * Re: Unix file system - space release question (07/30) From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com 2. INFO IBM-MAIN * INFO IBM-MAIN (07/30) From: kumar Podila kumar0...@aol.com 3. Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@sas.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Gross, Randall [GCG-PFS] randy.gr...@primerica.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com * Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader! (07/30) From: zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com 4. Fwd: improve IO scheduling to MFNetDisk emulated 3390 disks * Fwd: improve IO scheduling to MFNetDisk emulated 3390 disks (07/30) From: shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com 5. Top posting * Re: Top posting (07/30) From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za * Re: Top posting (07/30) From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * Re: Top posting (07/30) From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com * Re: Top posting (07/30) From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com * Re: Top posting (07/30) From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net 6. ShopZseries unavailable? * ShopZseries unavailable? (07/30) From: Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com 7. Odd request: anyone know of where I might find a 4361 or a 4381? * Re: Odd request: anyone know of where I might find a 4361 or a 4381? (07/30) From: William Donzelli wdonze...@gmail.com * Re: Odd request: anyone know of where I might find a 4361 or a 4381? (07/30) From: Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com 8. Working Set = Real Frames + Aux Slots? * Working Set = Real Frames + Aux
Re: Authorized Rexx Assembler Function
On 7/24/2012 9:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:05:00 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: :Why have such a special list rather than merely verifying that the program :resides in an APF authorized library and was linked with AC=1? Because a program expecting to be a job-step task may be spoofable, allocate storage in a key where parallel tasks can update it, etc. Sigh. I keep forgetting (wishful thinking?) what a primitive OS z/OS is; that it provides no simple way a program can protect its storage from meddling by others. z/OS still thinks it's running on a s/360. -- gil Paul, I never saw an answer from you regarding my question for some examples of how other non-primitive OS's provide a simple way a program can protect its storage from meddling by others -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Authorized Rexx Assembler Function
On 31/07/2012 12:09 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: On 7/24/2012 9:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:05:00 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: :Why have such a special list rather than merely verifying that the program :resides in an APF authorized library and was linked with AC=1? Because a program expecting to be a job-step task may be spoofable, allocate storage in a key where parallel tasks can update it, etc. Sigh. I keep forgetting (wishful thinking?) what a primitive OS z/OS is; that it provides no simple way a program can protect its storage from meddling by others. z/OS still thinks it's running on a s/360. -- gil Paul, I never saw an answer from you regarding my question for some examples of how other non-primitive OS's provide a simple way a program can protect its storage from meddling by others Off the top of my head thread-local-storage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-local_storage. On POSIX systems mprotect(), pthread_getspecfic()/setspefic(). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
