If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it true in
THIS one.
Cheers, Martin
Martin Packer,
zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator,
Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM
+44-7802-245-584
email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
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On 5/07/2013 2:56 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it true in
THIS one.
For a start somebody to port OOREXX to z/OS.
That's not going to happen until somebody first ports a recent version
of GNU autotools.
That's not going to happen
Might be a silly question but do we have to use THEIR build system? In its
entirety?
Cheers, Martin
Martin Packer,
zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator,
Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM
+44-7802-245-584
email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
z/OS 2.10? In 2023? I haven't even seen the announcement for z/OS 2.02.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:06 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/07/2013 2:56 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it true in
THIS one.
For a start
The lack of full floating point support after all this time in IBM COBOL does
seem to indicate a decline in its support. For an example of what full
floating point support in mainframe COBOL looks like, check out the portable
open source zCOBOL which runs on Windows, Linux, and Apple OSX. The
On 5/07/2013 4:17 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
Might be a silly question but do we have to use THEIR build system? In its
entirety?
No. But it's a lot of work if you don't. Most portable software comes
with a configure script that builds a makefile with the correct
configuration for your
Sorry,
This is a batch job, executing a COBOL Program, it looks like the program is
doing an internal sort using syncsort. I can see in the dump the statement
failing is a ZAP, but also say a S0C4 abend before the S0C7 abend. It seemed
to me that the registers associated with the ZAP were
My experience was that writing function packages was hard unless you can
hook in early with a REXX environment definition. That requires system
administration for installation
which may be a game changer. The easier option is a subcommand
environment which you can establish with an address LINK
Not missing a comma in IEASYSxx somewhere above the SQA parameters are you?
_
Dave Jousma
Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering
david.jou...@53.com
1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H
p 616.653.8429
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From the FM:
SQA Space Shortage During NIP: During NIP processing, it is possible that
the system's minimum allocation for SQA and extended SQA might be
depleted before NIP processes the SQA parameter. If this situation occurs, you
can increase the minimum SQA and/or extended SQA allocations. See
It's quite a bit of work. And if you want to call LE code you need
assembler bridging stubs to pass control from REXX to your LE program.
If there's no money in it you may want to rethink your project.
Thank you for the thorough comments.
Yes, I've realized it early on by reading through the
What you really have to consider is is there any interest in regular
expressions on the mainframe anyway. I have my doubts outside of the
z/OS UNIX community. Regular expressions are extremely powerful but most
mainframers probably can't be bothered to learn them. It's a case of old
dogs and
I think you are right.
I am one of those old dogs, who tries to avoid things with slashes whenever
possible.
I also wonder where and when regular expressions would be of great help to me.
From what I saw others do with them, I think that they are quite useful in an
unstructured chaotic
You're only as old a dog as the new trick you won't learn. :-)
I, too, wouldn't try doing that much with regexps against SMF. What I
would consider (and have blogged about) is regexps against individual SMF
fields - jobname, etc.
I see regexps as more useful for less structured data - such as
On 5/07/2013 9:53 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
The intellectual difficulty of learning to use regular expressions is
being greatly exaggerated here. The principles involved could be
written out, for the convenience of notionally reactionary
mainframers, in some few eighty-column card images.
I
Unless LE has changed, this is my understanding
1) LE Traps any abends - does some stuff, then returns control to the abend
process
2) The IPCS LEDATA is needed in some cases to go back to the CEE and DSA
control blocks to find out what the real abend was.
If my understanding is incorrect, I
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:42:44 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com
wrote:
I am one of those old dogs, who tries to avoid things with slashes whenever
possible.
Bad bad bad dog! Are you avoiding z/OS, that thing with a nice slash? ;-D
...and I don't see Rexx with regular
Lizette Koehler kindly wrote:
1) LE Traps any abends - does some stuff, then returns control to the abend
process
Yes. By default as supplied by IBM. With TRAP(OFF) you get nasty side-effects
according to LE diagnostic guide.
Check the run-time options with RPTOPTS.
Norma Mowry wrote:
This
My mind was warped very early in college by a love affair with APL.
Once you can use it, almost anything else seems normal. Most regular
expressions are not that difficult, just a matter of learning a new
syntax. But I will say that using assertions can be a bit difficult,
at least to me. Regular
David Crayford wrote:
| I find your grammer more difficult to understand than any regex ;)
and I find this entirely understandable and wholly predictable.
Presumptive dialectal spelling jocularities aside, I am at least as
unsympathetic to his views as he is to mine; and attempting to
What you really have to consider is is there any interest in regular
expressions on the mainframe anyway. I have my doubts ...
Yes, my project is about cultural change more then actual porting of the
specific library.
than weird gobbledygook RE voodoo
I like your description
REXX is
Touché.
On 05/07/2013, at 10:33 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
David Crayford wrote:
| I find your grammer more difficult to understand than any regex ;)
and I find this entirely understandable and wholly predictable.
Presumptive dialectal spelling jocularities aside, I am
John McKown wrote:
One that always makes me sweat is matching the contents inside ' marks, where
a single ' is encoded as two ' marks next to each other within the outer '
marks. The same matching contents within parentheses where subparameters
within parentheses are permitted. E.g. 'This
In
CAE1XxDFDsvJ=883ktad9sboepptfdfujgds0udbxm91pdgz...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/05/2013
at 09:53 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
The intellectual difficulty of learning to use regular expressions is
being greatly exaggerated here. The principles involved could be
written out, for the
In 51d615ba.4060...@valley.net, on 07/04/2013
at 08:39 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said:
Probably when it is obviously a typo.
That would be a good rule, but it's not the one that he follows.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2
In 51d6b5d8.7010...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 08:02 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
My experience was that writing function packages was hard
Why? The interface is clean and well documented. Put IRXFUSER in a
steplib.
For PCRE I'm not sure that you need a function package as
In
ofb092d22a.92a4e671-on80257b9f.002531ef-80257b9f.00262...@uk.ibm.com,
on 07/05/2013
at 07:56 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said:
If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it
true in THIS one.
$
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
In 51d6708d.9070...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 03:06 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
That's not going to happen until at least z/OS 2.10
ITYM z/OS 2.1; 2.10 would be a long wait.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel
I use SRCHFOR a lot. However, to do complex searches it's terribly
complicated (options panel). A simple regex can do so much more.
The PCRE libray contains a PCREGREP grep utility. I tested it and in the next
revision, hopefully next week, it will be fully out there. This means
searching
Remember Shai Hess's project.
--- zatl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Announcing PCRE 8.33 for native z/OS
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:07:39 -0500
I use SRCHFOR a lot. However, to do complex searches
* PL/I abends on S0C4 and I do not have the expertise to check why
(volunteers needed.)
Are the diagnostic data available online?
I will put it there over the weekend... the download page of zaconsultants.net
ZA
--
For
On 05/07/2013, at 10:37 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net
wrote:
In 51d6b5d8.7010...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 08:02 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
My experience was that writing function packages was hard
Why? The interface is clean and well
One that always makes me sweat is matching the contents inside ' marks, where
a single ' is encoded as two ' marks next to each other within the outer '
marks. The same matching contents within parentheses where subparameters
within parentheses are permitted. E.g. 'This isn''t quite right!' or
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:58:32 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 5/07/2013 9:53 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
The intellectual difficulty of learning to use regular expressions is
being greatly exaggerated here. The principles involved could be
written out, for the convenience of notionally reactionary
In 2e91309a-e988-4950-9abe-d55e9125d...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 11:14 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
With a persistent LE environment?
No.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel
We don't care. We don't have to care,
In 6124817942898068.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
07/05/2013
at 10:19 AM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
I actually like the notion of escape sequences:
I hate them. I much prefer how, e.g., Icon, Wylbur, handle the
problem.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
On 05/07/2013, at 11:32 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net
wrote:
In 2e91309a-e988-4950-9abe-d55e9125d...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 11:14 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
With a persistent LE environment?
No.
About as useful as a chocolate teapot then.
It's rarely the grammar, but frequently the vocabulary and the historical and
literary references. But I sometimes learn from
looking them up, and all in all I consider the style well within the charter of
thls list.
But, the purpose of communication is to communicate.
Deliberately
Dear Masters of MVS IMACROS,
We are running z/OS V1R13 and I have coded two macros from the ISPF Edit and
Edit Macros book.
I created ISRIMBED:
ADDRESS ISPEXEC
ISREDIT MACRO (MEMBER) /* Member name passed */
/* as input
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:40:14 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
It is never the receiver's fault if the message is truly not understood; it's
the sender's.
http://xkcd.com/1133/
Or even to eschew alien words:
Style is personal. We are all creatures of our different experiences.
I seldom comment upon them, but I find Mr. MacNeil's grammatical
errors in Canadian/British English every bit as grating as he finds my
vocabulary.
As I have suggested here before, no one need took at my posts who does
not
To match a quoted string as in my example, using Perl.
($x)=$line=~m/((?:'[^']*')+)/;
What makes this work is the + at the end of the ) of the (?: ). That
makes the regexp look back at the start. If there is a second ' mark,
it continues to scan. What I don't have the the recursive use of ( )
Ze'ev,
This JCL works for me:
//TSOUSERZ JOB (ACCT,ROOM),'PROGRAMMER',
// CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=X,NOTIFY=SYSUID
//*
//JCLLIB JCLLIB ORDER=SYS1.IGY.SIGYPROC
//*
I finally got how to parse the string and allow it to start and end
with either a ' or a . The start and end character must be the same.
($x)=$line=~m/((:(['])[^\2]*\2)+)/;
([']) matches the starting or ' and captures it. The [^\2]* matches
all following characters except to the starting
Dear List Groups,
Thank you for the replies. I had a few things going on.
#1). I cut and pasted the example from the book. I lost my quotes and had to
put them back. As pointed out, the NOT EQUAL did not come across either.
Also as pointed out, I can't EDIT what I'm already editing and
In 7643d8d7-4c7b-4174-8848-b7098161f...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 11:41 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
About as useful as a chocolate teapot then.
Yes, a PCRE port that requires a persistent LE environment is about as
useful as a chocolate teapot.
--
Shmuel (Seymour
In 0936283674477258.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
07/05/2013
at 10:58 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Uncleftish Beholding.
Technically flawed, but perfectly understandable. OTOH, see awful,
pompous, and artificial in A Tragedy of Errors.
--
Shmuel
W dniu 2013-07-04 17:36, Rouse, Willie pisze:
I have run an IDCAMS diagnose on a volume to find non-existent catalog entries .
I tried DELETE VVR/NVR/TRUENAME to no avail. How can I get rid of the stranded
catalog references in the VVDS?
AFAIR you have the following choices:
- just ignore it
The Shakespearean epithet aw[e]ful, pompous, and artificial was
adapted by Charles II, who used it, with highly complimentary intent,
to describe his first impressions of Sir Christopher Wren's St Paul's
Cathedral.
Long, long ago, when the late C. S. Lewis spent a year at the
Institute for
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:36:21 -0400, Rouse, Willie wrote:
I have run an IDCAMS diagnose on a volume to find non-existent catalog entries
.
I tried DELETE VVR/NVR/TRUENAME to no avail. How can I get rid of the stranded
catalog references in the VVDS?
1. Create a new catalog with the old
Interesting. Comments...
The COBOL standard does not assign those names you've given. Rather, the
proposed followup standard does, except that it does not have those FLOAT-HEX-#
usages. And in fact, I'm of the believe that the COBOL 2002 FP usages indicate
the following:
1. FLOAT-SHORT
Ah! So I didn't imagine it after all! :-)
Does your shop really use the IBM supplied compile procs? Interesting...
From: Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re:
Aw krap, now I have to look that up too. :-(
On 7/5/2013 9:41 AM, David Crayford wrote:
Touché.
On 05/07/2013, at 10:33 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
David Crayford wrote:
| I find your grammer more difficult to understand than any regex ;)
and I find this entirely
Hilarious, and understandable to boot! Well done, MacNeil.
On 7/5/2013 10:40 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
It's rarely the grammar, but frequently the vocabulary and the historical and
literary references. But I sometimes learn from
looking them up, and all in all I consider the style well within
About as useful as a chocolate teapot then.
Yes, a PCRE port that requires a persistent LE environment is about as
useful as a chocolate teapot.
I have to disagree. Most applications do use LE in the native z/OS context.
This is similar to other operating systems where scripting languages
I'm afraid I couldn't persist with the (entire) PCRE thread - my bad.
From my perspective getting *any* regex into our mundane environment is
worthwhile. I can't wait to get the ISPF edit support in 2.1 - I may even start
doing stuff on z/OS again instead of zLinux. Where I make extensive use
No, actually we do not. I deliberately used the IBM supplied PROC to ensure
the widest possible audience.
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Frank Swarbrick
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:49 PM
To:
Is a grammer an unprofessional programmer? Or someone against grammar?
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Farley, Peter x23353
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:
No, actually we do not. I deliberately used the IBM supplied PROC to ensure
the widest possible audience.
-Original Message-
On 6/07/2013 6:56 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
I'm afraid I couldn't persist with the (entire) PCRE thread - my bad.
From my perspective getting *any* regex into our mundane environment is
worthwhile. I can't wait to get the ISPF edit support in 2.1 - I may even start
doing stuff on z/OS again
'grammer' is, I think, best viewed as a nonce word. David Crayford
knows very well that the canonical spelling is 'grammar'.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:27 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
'grammer' is, I think, best viewed as a nonce word. David Crayford
knows very well that the canonical spelling is 'grammar'.
Man have you no sense of humor at all. ??
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721
Sam,
My post, which you took seriously, was jocular. Our problem is not
that either of us lacks a sense of humor; it is that they are
incommensurably different.
In the upshot you find my posts offensive and I find yours tedious
because wholly predictable. I have now added your email address to
On 6/07/2013 10:27 AM, John Gilmore wrote:
'grammer' is, I think, best viewed as a nonce word. David Crayford
knows very well that the canonical spelling is 'grammar'.
That's funny! I was raised in London where we pronounce it gramma. BTW,
nonce has a different connotation where I come from.
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