Re: Generation of dump created by the DFSMSHSM

2013-05-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caapqkjuuokgbx3bjqqxgxxcfzczj5269quiuftducq_pwg7...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/21/2013 at 12:27 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org said: COM='DD NAME=*PBSB1*.DUMP.DLYYMMDD..TLHHMMSS..JOBNAME..SSEQ' The PBSB1 is the HLQ used for dumps at my shop. You should have one as

Re: I/O Optimization (was: B37 för FTINCL in ISPF ...)

2013-05-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 6207625106804329.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 05/22/2013 at 07:36 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: SYSCALL for the UNIX files; BPXWDYN/EXECIO for the legacy. In your ADDRESS SYSCALL read, what length do you specify? In your ADDRESS TSO EXECIO, what do you

Re: Mysterious Abend 0C1

2013-05-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 003601ce56eb$dcde9100$969bb300$@com, on 05/22/2013 at 08:57 PM, Robin Atwood abend...@gmail.com said: That's very interesting to know, thanks a lot. Is that a comparatively recent register? The PER-3 facility, including the Breaking-Event-Address Register, was documented in the fifth

Re: B37 för FTINCL in ISPF for userid.ISPnnnnn.SPFTEMPn.WORK datasets

2013-05-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e628f2a315...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se, on 05/22/2013 at 01:42 PM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said: In a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e628c16e53...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se , on 05/20/2013 at 09:25 PM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se

Re: From Linux to MVS via USS and Back

2013-05-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 93891f43642f3c419a7d75acc2b1db6f3dfc3b3...@exchangemb2.dhs.state.ia.us, on 05/22/2013 at 10:28 AM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us said: Is it possible for a z/OS UNIX Shell Script to SUBMIT an MVS JOB? Yes. I know I can do plain FTP with FILETYPE=JES. FTP makes sense from an

Re: I/O Optimization (was: B37 för FTINCL in ISPF ...)

2013-05-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9433992692961071.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 05/22/2013 at 03:42 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:25:46 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: at 07:36 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: SYSCALL for the UNIX files; BPXWDYN

Re: B37 för FTINCL in ISPF for userid.ISPnnnnn.SPFTEMPn.WORK datasets

2013-05-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e628f2b31b...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se, on 05/23/2013 at 11:53 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said: There is a problem that is solved by a simple solution, the one that I proposed IBM should do. To every question there is an answer that is obvious,

Re: ECSA

2013-05-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1369412144.70731.yahoomail...@web126203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/24/2013 at 09:15 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: 2. We have a STC Running in what key? Always the same, or does it switch. If the latter, you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations.   

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 086801ce5a76$af711e70$0e535b50$@mcn.org, on 05/26/2013 at 06:08 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations Are you sure? Yes. MODESET KEY=NZERO,... won't remember for you? The crystal ball on channel 3 is broken. From

Re: Mysterious Abend 0C1

2013-05-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 005001ce5aab$5c511c10$14f35430$@com, on 05/27/2013 at 02:25 PM, Robin Atwood abend...@gmail.com said: Thanks for the info. The BEA can be easily retrieved from RTWA+6D0. I also found a presentation that claimed the BEA was saved in low memory at 110. but a few dumps I looked at did not bear

Re: DFHUTILB and DFHUPROC

2013-05-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51a2b33f.3060...@cdpwise.net, on 05/26/2013 at 09:13 PM, Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net said: Does that imply IKJEFT01 can't do it, No, it implies that a hyphen is not a valid TSO command. The + or - for continuation goes at the end of the line, not at the beginning. -- Shmuel

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51a37323.2070...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 05/27/2013 at 07:52 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: On 5/26/2013 6:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote: you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations Are you sure? MODESET KEY=NZERO,... won't remember for you? ZERO and

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1369698915.60307.yahoomail...@web126201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/27/2013 at 04:55 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: //IEFRDER DD   DSNAME=SYS1.TRACE,UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,20), 00150001 // DISP=(NEW,KEEP)  Try DISP=(,CATLG) 10. I try IPCS with GTFTRACE

Re: To Backup or Not to Backup Data - That is the question

2013-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3d746.4478793e.3ed90...@aol.com, on 05/30/2013 at 03:25 PM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com said: Wish we had a Cloud! Be careful what you wish for; you might get it. I suggest that you consult your legal staff about the ownership of your data before putting the family jewels in someone

Re: To Backup or Not to Backup Data - That is the question

2013-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In f66e9ee737492b448738e797fdb828ed1d225...@kbmexmbxpr02.kbm1.loc, on 05/30/2013 at 07:09 PM, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com said: Although very few shops actually do this, IMO the procedure should be: Management walks in the room and says You, you, and you are dead as of time/date.

Re: System abend 800 reason code 4

2013-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8677730172829683.wa.walt.farrellgmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 05/30/2013 at 04:02 PM, Walt Farrell walt.farr...@gmail.com said: That may be a possible clue to your problem. It says you're using EXCPVR, and from z/OS V1R13.0 DFSMSdfp Advanced Services we can see that In order to issue

Re: Examples of getbuf and build usage

2013-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdfgeedmkm9vyz-z+x23o2d1kuxzfquydsas_7+yr71...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/30/2013 at 09:52 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: BUILD? Shades of 1966! It is not reentrant. Are you sure? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: Unable to mount ZFS

2013-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In dc74548a025aff4a85f46926802a9b230a1d4...@chsa1035.share.beluni.net, on 05/31/2013 at 02:49 PM, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4) peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said: And be assured, I'm not taking this personal in any way. I'm more open to z/OS UNIX than many others and I tend to stand up for it

Re: Unable to mount ZFS

2013-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAAJSdjgG=z6V1=_bypfbscfrg67ezgkfy25zwt-owbvzwpk...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/31/2013 at 08:02 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: First, GIVE ME AN UP TO DATE BASH SHELL!!! Who implemented the standard z/OS UNIX shell? It's not to be Bourne! Next, port all the GNU utilities

Re: To recompile or not recompile, that's the question

2013-06-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2318055...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 05/31/2013 at 03:40 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: The problem with recompilation is not purely technical though. ISTM that there is far more bureaucracy needed to monitor and guarantee

Re: Examples of getbuf and build usage

2013-06-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 01d401ce6055$d6e79170$84b6b450$@mcn.org, on 06/03/2013 at 08:28 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: However, I don't think I copy any BUFCB's anywhere. I think QSAM automatically allocates the BUFCB wherever it chooses (presumably it chooses RMODE 24) and the buffers wherever you tell

Re: OT: New AFP related list started at UGA.EDU

2013-06-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In dc74548a025aff4a85f46926802a9b230a24c...@chsa1035.share.beluni.net, on 06/03/2013 at 12:17 PM, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4) peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said: I was more looking for something to help me avoid a heart attack when I cannot determine that hidden error in an AFP datastream.

Re: To recompile or not recompile, that's the question

2013-06-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxde74ruwarz2_7t1x3qlccv8fykjrb5gqjawnlbasts...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/03/2013 at 11:52 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Something akin to regression testing is of course inescapable; but comprehensive unit testing of new subroutines is better and, like liquor, quicker. One

Citation for reformatting of VSAM, HFS and zFS data sets

2013-06-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
I am editing a wiki article on disk formatting and have been challenged to provide documentation of my claim that formatting a VSAM cluster, HFS or zFS rewrites existing data. I could cite dead tree documentation for VSAM in OS/VS2 R3.8, but I'd really prefer something recent enough to be

Re: Modifying compiler input

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51ae86cf.7070...@t-online.de, on 06/05/2013 at 02:31 AM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: I would like to check out, if it is possible (and if would make sense) to combine the power of the PL/1 preprozessor with the COBOL language. The PL/I macro preprocessor is Turing

Re: To recompile or not recompile, that's the question

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51ad8341.5090...@valley.net, on 06/04/2013 at 02:03 AM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said: Remember the effort that went into Y2K remediation, and raise that by two or three magnitudes. I also remember the migration to the S/360; companies using CoBOL primarily needed JCL

Re: second TCPIP stack

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjhgtxb3pi_zjaotqjx-sijbffvnfw+qyuhkwaygzuf...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/05/2013 at 12:49 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: Same here. No TCPIP means no users because they are all TN3270 and HTTP connected. That depends on where your TN3270 server is. -- Shmuel

Re: To recompile or not recompile, that's the question

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51ace38a.1070...@t-online.de, on 06/03/2013 at 08:42 PM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: I recall only two times when there were significant problems with new compilers There are two kinds of problems: 1. Old code doesn't compile correctly with new compiler. 2. Code

Re: VLF or PDSE cache

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 01ce6136$46cb2610$d4617230$@sbcglobal.net, on 06/04/2013 at 08:14 AM, Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net said: VLF will not do anything for PDSE that are not load library or REXX. CLIST. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: HTTP Server

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae6x8q5uxs2imfh1i_xp7peesakwcpneoh+1wsd_wdphz5n...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/06/2013 at 09:45 AM, Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com said: Is PERL a requirement for the HTTP server? I didn't see it as a requirement in documentation, but there is a PERL=/usr/bin/perl directive in the

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1697813022-1370486555-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1466420072-@b12.c1.bise6.blackberry, on 06/06/2013 at 02:42 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said: ATM -- I thought it meant Automated Teller Machine. At the moment it means asynchronous transfer mode. -- Shmuel

Re: To recompile or not recompile, that's the question

2013-06-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9110584664893861.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/06/2013 at 09:44 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Shmuel did not said *what* libraries, but I believe he means LE (and macros) libraries. Compiler and LE transient (dynamic) libraries. I

Re: Age of datasets in hours, not days?

2013-06-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51b2083c.3060...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 06/07/2013 at 09:20 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: Of course, for 100% coverage of all possible usage scenarios, time stamps should contain both UTC and local time. I'd prefer UTC and local offset. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Age of datasets in hours, not days?

2013-06-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdegehhtqobec5d5aa9ge-jc8cpfrpjqgdb1e-8qmbz...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/07/2013 at 02:58 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: I suspect that you two will continue in your naif views, but let me try one more time, taking first Mr Gilmartin and then Dr Merrill. It is quaint for one

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAAJSdjhdFqcpkSUKJ9Uu+DSJh1VwwJdFT2VSHwC3P9=79nc...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/10/2013 at 11:45 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: LUW works similar to z/OS UNIX file systems. I.e. there is a file system which is formatted using some utility (mkfs in the Linux/UNIX world, format

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51b60a0b.7030...@valley.net, on 06/10/2013 at 01:16 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said: Technically the easiest to implement would be adding a new device type, thus keeping (E)CKD completely distinct from FBA. The new type could be supported by VSAM/AMS only (and JCL, SVC 99,

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c23194bd...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 06/10/2013 at 02:46 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: There *are* non-theoretical solutions to runaway file output. The *ix system model of using disk quotas per user makes it entirely

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c23194bd...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 06/10/2013 at 11:38 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: Why is it that IBM (and organizations that use their mainframe systems) so vigorously resist a conversion off of the ECKD standard?

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 746510224.45656.1370914746772.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net, on 06/11/2013 at 01:39 AM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net said: On output, the blocks are all written with the same blocksize except possibly the last.  This causes the reading in of such a file with

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0997106197004218.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/10/2013 at 04:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Is uniform lengths a requirement? No. Do any applications rely on being able to calculate a cylinder and track address within a VBS data set? I hope not; if it

Re: IEC999I after BSAM read

2013-06-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In baa259a1-cc3f-4cac-a17c-872b16e0d...@optonline.net, on 06/12/2013 at 07:41 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: I process a number of data sets Do you close the DCB before reopening it with a new DDNAME? What is the content of the IEC999I message? Did you read the explanation

Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF

2013-06-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51b9c04b.3090...@gmail.com, on 06/13/2013 at 08:51 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: C has a *lot* of flaws but it's a sharp (and dangerous) tool. For a toy it's been pretty successful. That has much to do with the wide dissemination of the source code for a portable compiler

Re: Thinking about utility for REXX: stem variable to JSON encoding.

2013-06-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 6935415174647799.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/13/2013 at 08:56 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Easy, if you refer to an UNASSIGNED stem item, the default value is 'empty' if you try to refer to it. No; the default is the compound

Re: IEC999I after BSAM read

2013-06-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b2aefab6-97fe-410b-8536-8a2b83f8e...@optonline.net, on 06/13/2013 at 11:56 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: The code worked on day and not the other with the same Data Why did you run it again? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: SMF70INT format

2013-06-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 00cc01ce6879$27bc33a0$77349ae0$@mxg.com, on 06/13/2013 at 04:01 PM, Barry Merrill ba...@mxg.com said: If you used a real language like SAS that knows those formats it's as simple as INPUT SMF70INT RMFDUR4.; Does raw SAS handle all time formats, or do you nee MXG? Not that I can imagine

Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF

2013-06-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of8c4a6bc0.290daf12-on48257b8d.0004e7b4-48257b8d.00052...@sg.ibm.com, on 06/17/2013 at 08:55 AM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: Peter Farley writes: When ... IBM stopped supporting computer science in universities with free or low-cost hardware and software... Is this actually

Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF

2013-06-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of1ecf1294.496b83c4-on48257b8d.0019fc54-48257b8d.001c4...@sg.ibm.com, on 06/17/2013 at 01:07 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: That wasn't part of the original assertion. But, since you raised the point, should IBM be providing free computing solutions for non-instructional uses

Re: Batch TSO COPY?

2013-06-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cc42e2f56d60f24fb8a6bcc639d1d96306b1a...@samtcasxmb13.usa.dce.usps.gov, on 06/17/2013 at 05:20 PM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN dave.l.han...@usps.gov said: Q). Who's COPY program am I running when TSO responds with the dataset prompt? I could be the old kludgy IBM Data Set Utilities:

Re: Ported Tools - Unix

2013-06-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAHm_n2mEBW-wAB+K8rXaxJkFmJu_pQjPxMxPJZ7u=jyBp=h...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/17/2013 at 11:17 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said: According to this, the packages that will be picked up by Rocket include: perl, cURL, bzip2, sudo, and PHP Will they only offer Perl 5.8.7, or will they offer a

Re: Vintage IBM Manuals

2013-06-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In m34ncwmslm@garlic.com, on 06/17/2013 at 03:42 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: and 370 http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360 ITYM http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We

Re: Ported Tools - Unix

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 7405709421112672.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/17/2013 at 08:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:30:19 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Will they only offer Perl 5.8.7, or will they offer a more current Perl? Did Il cimento

Re: Check out GE Hiring Thousands of Engineers to Build Industrial Web - Business

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b2200.2d69ddd2.3ef15...@aol.com, on 06/18/2013 at 02:21 AM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com said: _GE Hiring Thousands of Engineers to Build Industrial Web - Businessweek_ (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-06-17/ge-hiring-thousands-of-engineers -to-build-industrial-internet) The

Re: Retrieving jobs of input queue

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5068302466122345.wa.kzafiropgmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/18/2013 at 09:17 AM, K kzafi...@gmail.com said: Could I retrieve Jobs and their jobids of JES2 input queue though REXX but WITHOUT use of SDSF. In theory, yes, but you'd have to use job names of userid plus one character, which

Re: Auditing vendor source code

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 099ee5bc-1948-4595-96ce-5115309e9...@yahoo.com, on 06/18/2013 at 08:30 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: We don't worry about we have customers who sign NDAs ...but I am old school I resist providing source code, That's not old school; old school is we don't provide object code -

Re: Auditing vendor source code

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51c127d4.6020...@blackhillsoftware.com, on 06/19/2013 at 01:39 PM, Andrew Rowley and...@blackhillsoftware.com said: How many vendors do allow you to audit their authorized code? I know IBM is very reluctant to divulge any information that might allow you to exploit a vulnerability. Until

Re: Auditing vendor source code

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239e0e0c...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 06/19/2013 at 06:08 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: I suspect that the general attitude is a synthesis of the comments here: A few more possibilities: - Customers may lack the resources to audit every

Re: IBM commitment to academia

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c231975f...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 06/18/2013 at 10:24 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: It is my faded-memory impression that it was, as Timothy pointed out, DEC's aggressive push of very low-cost and free stuff into

Re: Retrieving jobs of input queue

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51c1e12f.7000...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 06/19/2013 at 09:49 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: JES3 customers have long used the following: ++SRCUPD(IATUX30) . ./ CHANGE NAME=IATUX30 UX30SETB 1 to replace IKJEFF53 with IATUX30 for FIB security processing. JES2 has no

Re: Auditing vendor source code

2013-06-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239e0e0c...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 06/19/2013 at 09:17 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: So this is a slightly different topic, but it's been my experience that CPUIDs (keys, whatever you want to call 'em) are more trouble than they're worth.

Re: Run TSO batch as different user?

2013-06-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 04c901ce6d5d$0614dde0$123e99a0$@mcn.org, on 06/19/2013 at 07:22 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: Why do you ask? Because LOGON logs you off and start a new session for the same terminal; in batch there is no terminal to log you on to. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: Run TSO batch as different user?

2013-06-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9064599864404924.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/20/2013 at 12:05 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: However, the newfangled address TSO instruction in z/OS UNIX Rexx will create a new address space running the TMP. It won't[1] change the userid for the new address

Re: OMVS OEDIT invocation help?

2013-06-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cc42e2f56d60f24fb8a6bcc639d1d96306b1c...@samtcasxmb13.usa.dce.usps.gov, on 06/20/2013 at 07:00 PM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN dave.l.han...@usps.gov said: Is there an OMVS ListServ? MVS-OE? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: free zIP/UNZIP in z/OS

2013-06-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4852640027344074.wa.vanbrabantjangmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/21/2013 at 03:34 AM, Jan Vanbrabant vanbrabant...@gmail.com said: Any experiences to share? I've used Info-Zip happily on OS/2 for decades. I don't have experience with the MVS version. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: EBCDIC and the P-Bit

2013-06-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8709522170369998.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/21/2013 at 09:34 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: The character encoding that is used is irrelevant. The thing that makes an operating system less penetrable is a design that is based upon system integrity.

Re: Auditing vendor source code

2013-06-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1371825433.55766.yahoomail...@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 06/21/2013 at 07:37 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: Actually, US companies have also stolen software. E.g., microsoft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics#Microsoft_lawsuit. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: free zIP/UNZIP in z/OS

2013-06-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 021801ce6e5c$f5816e70$e0844b50$@mindspring.com, on 06/21/2013 at 01:54 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said: This is part of the z/OS (I think) TRSMAIN is now an alias for AMATERSE. The DD requirements ar different depending on which name you use. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Assember

2013-06-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 002d01ce7107$493d31a0$dbb794e0$@austin.rr.com, on 06/24/2013 at 01:18 PM, Kenneth Wilkerson redb...@austin.rr.com said: TMI2REC+ISTAT-IREC,SDLET Is equivalent to: LA somereg,I2REC somereg is R1-R15 USING IREC,somereg TM ISTAT,SDLET DROP somereg No it isn't. --

Re: Quote on http://slashdot.org

2013-06-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAAJSdjiXZ2tHY=tmifyqeu1kuv6isztje4fv8w51nx1wwrb...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/25/2013 at 07:23 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I can't really find out who this is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_E._Sammet -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: z/OS subroutine in assembler, used in both batch CICS , making r e-entrant

2013-06-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9730290756779688.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/25/2013 at 03:55 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: What went wrong? It started early: George Mealy is alleged to have called it The rape of the design integrity of OS/360 and blamed it on a lack of standards

Re: z/OS subroutine in assembler, used in both batch CICS , making r e-entrant

2013-06-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4175885956046643.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/25/2013 at 07:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Yup. That was one of my first mistakes: //STEP EXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSUT2 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYSUID..LINKLIB(DUMMY) //SYSUT1 DD

Re: python code to sumbit batch job to jes

2013-06-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51ca273b@aim.com, on 06/25/2013 at 05:26 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: BTW, I am exceedingly unhappy with the 200 status codes from the last two SITE commands, but IBM has some twisted logic according to whichthe behavior is proper. WTF? It's not in accordance with RFC

Re: z/OS subroutine in assembler, used in both batch CICS , making r e-entrant

2013-06-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjj1mguxrkr_mpko7nybvyuc_vhs+8a971mlpenrjbw...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/26/2013 at 07:02 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: Thanks to all. I have done an initial rewrite. I chose to simply not set up a new save area. Due to lack of registers to store R13, I cannot save R13

Re: python code to sumbit batch job to jes

2013-06-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1122827743987211.wa.don.isenstadtgmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/26/2013 at 03:21 PM, don isenstadt don.isenst...@gmail.com said: Any other ideas? Try using FTP directly, with explicit SITE and PUT commands. Also try QUOTE SITE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: z/OS subroutine in assembler, used in both batch CICS , making re-entrant

2013-06-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51cb818a.2060...@t-online.de, on 06/27/2013 at 02:04 AM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: I believe that in OS/360's time the designers then couldn't do much better. Due to management, not to technology. When I first met the IBM world (in 1982), I was kind of impressed by

Re: GIMZIP (was: free zIP/UNZIP in z/OS)

2013-06-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 01ee01ce72d0$ac412e80$04c38b80$@mindspring.com, on 06/26/2013 at 05:53 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said: Because many of us asked for IBM to do this. We found that groups outside of Sysprogs were using SMPE to verify fixes. We did not want them altering the environment.

Re: z/OS subroutine in assembler, used in both batch CICS , making r e-entrant

2013-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51cc6510.6020...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 06/27/2013 at 09:15 AM, Jim Phoenix jimphoe...@phoenixsoftware.com said: So that long displacement instructions are guaranteed to get a S0C4 as well if the base register is not initialized properly. Why would an RSY, RXY, or SIY instruction be

Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?

2013-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdji8sruxatn6ccrjjbyvh1epzzrakjyeeyjermpdsbf...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/27/2013 at 10:48 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I am wondering if anybody else has the same problem that I have with how the Principles of Operation, in PDF format, is laid out. Basically, in

Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51cd9a6b.7030...@gmail.com, on 06/28/2013 at 10:15 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: On 28/06/2013 9:52 PM, John McKown wrote: Never put off till run-time what you can do at compile-time. -- D. Gries Never bind prematurely -- S. Metz Careful! There are quite a few assembler

Re: Theology question: Parameter formats

2013-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAFO-8tqqtEaVUp7wc=_acmh3ev-fj3tjezkovbg+obcndey...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/28/2013 at 03:52 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said: Would you: a) Design the API to pass data/length pairs b) Use null-terminated strings to keep the C people happy, and have to create some sort of layer for

Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofe878f739.f906bf47-on80257b99.004c84e9-80257b99.004e8...@uk.ibm.com, on 06/29/2013 at 03:17 PM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said: Would dearly love to see PHP, Be careful what you ask for - you might get it. There are cleaner languages. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1427790225797888.wa.ibmmaintpg.com...@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/28/2013 at 09:00 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au said: Lua - yet another language to maybe have a look at. All I know about it is that wiki is using it. Anybody have a link? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of28a24a26.61fdf4d9-on80257b99.0039d7d3-80257b99.003a9...@uk.ibm.com, on 06/29/2013 at 11:39 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said: In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS 2.1 EXECIO is previewed to perform I/O to VBS

Re: Theology question: Parameter formats

2013-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdhugdybgd4rxu8qjtxmcy-ucsrr_h+vctfypmcieex...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/30/2013 at 02:28 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: C has historically passed scalars by value, a silly term that means by copying their current values on to the stack. As many people here know, I am no great

Re: Theology question: Parameter formats

2013-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51d0c82f.4090...@t-online.de, on 07/01/2013 at 02:07 AM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: By the way: the term by value is inherited from ALGOL; there are two parameter passing mechanisms in ALGOL - by value and by name Thunks for the memories. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-07-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2972359222388556.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/30/2013 at 09:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: What are the enhancements in the ANSI standard? Among other things, stream I/O, enhancements to address. Oddly enough, z/OS supports stream I/O in the Unix shell

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-07-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5926894443011344.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/01/2013 at 08:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Which enhancements to address? E.g., trapping the output without an add-in like RXQUEUE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-07-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2319906...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 07/01/2013 at 12:34 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: Implementation of standards is only useful if the feature is really needed. I can't think of a reason for needing NOTREADY with classic

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-07-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1372711817.27664.yahoomail...@web126205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 07/01/2013 at 01:50 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: Actually RXQUEUE on ooREXX works great on Windoze and Linux It works fine on OS/2 as well, but the ANSI mechanism is cleaner. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

2013-07-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c23199bd...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 07/01/2013 at 05:23 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: OK, I can see that as a reason. Personally I would prefer an explicit test in the code to a remotely-specified out-of-code-body jump,

Re: Question on how to debug S0C7 (data exception) abend

2013-07-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjjn4zk-csejvp4exf4ctxc5dnv6cfr5a19pnovvvgq...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/03/2013 at 07:16 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: Being old, I have occasionally turned off LE's abend handling and just gone for the throat using a recent compile (with generated assembler shown)

Re: Announcing PCRE 8.33 for native z/OS

2013-07-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5892125769715316.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/03/2013 at 07:35 AM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said: Of all places, I would expect a little more enthusiasm of the members of this list. The lack of replies may indicate that nobody had problems with it rather than a lack of

Re: What programmer's fear (not IBM specific)

2013-07-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAAJSdjg1jRs6DrNV7xzAftEoGcojyeGf=fvwkbdh_idvozp...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/03/2013 at 07:10 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: http://www.itworld.com/it-management/363424/only-thing-programmers-have-fear-all-these-things I say yes to most. #4 is being forced to learn or use

Re: Announcing PCRE 8.33 for native z/OS

2013-07-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 7859492443392344.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/03/2013 at 05:58 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said: In any case, PCRE is mature and working library with most all (even esoteric) options. Branch reset? Conditional patterns? Named backreferences? Recursive patterns? --

Re: I am getting a wait state during IPL

2013-07-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1101901400-1372885815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-27276874-@b28.c1.bise6.blackberry, on 07/03/2013 at 09:10 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said: INITSQA started as soon as 65-bit started -- OS/390 2.10. There is no 65-bit support in OS/390. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Question on how to debug S0C7 (data exception) abend

2013-07-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 01bc01ce7820$59608f30$0c21ad90$@verizon.net, on 07/03/2013 at 03:05 PM, Carl Swanson carl.swans...@verizon.net said: You have the entry point to the abend and you have the entry point of the problem program. In many situations it's easy to get the wrong addresses from the dump if you don't

Re: Announcing PCRE 8.33 for native z/OS

2013-07-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2097080765646466.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/03/2013 at 08:36 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said: compatible with Perl Which Perl? 7. I contemplated interfacing with Rexx, but I cannot come with specific well defined API that would agree with that language. The obvious

Re: I am getting a wait state during IPL

2013-07-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdfdyi9taobsej9fwe-vmosgjvm9xjbnzvhpkj5fxrx...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/04/2013 at 07:20 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Nor is there is any 65-bit support 'in' z/OS. I suspect that what we have here is not a dubious, heterodox hardware notion but something much more benign,

Re: What programmer's fear (not IBM specific)

2013-07-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239e0fad...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 07/04/2013 at 05:54 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: In an alternate universe, Rexx had the equivalent of CPAN created by the community, and we all use it instead...and are much happier. In an alternate universe

Re: Announcing PCRE 8.33 for native z/OS

2013-07-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAE1XxDFDsvJ=883ktad9sboepptfdfujgds0udbxm91pdgz...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/05/2013 at 09:53 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: The intellectual difficulty of learning to use regular expressions is being greatly exaggerated here. The principles involved could be written out, for the

Re: I am getting a wait state during IPL

2013-07-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51d615ba.4060...@valley.net, on 07/04/2013 at 08:39 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said: Probably when it is obviously a typo. That would be a good rule, but it's not the one that he follows. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

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