Re: [ilugd] Opinion solicited for an article
Priyanka Sarkar said on Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31:45PM +0530,: One of our journalists is doing a story on 'How safe is rooting your android phone? Or is it worth rooting your android phone. Would be great if we get some great inputs from you on the same. Please let us have your your opinion/ views. Responses should go to?? This list? IMDO (in my dumb opinion), all of us here have root on our servers, laptops and PCs, and they (at least those in hands of sensible owners) are as safe as a fort. Any rooted android device ought not to be any different. AFAICt, safety (of _my_ data on _my_ device) and rooting _my_ device are unrelated. What is probably relevant is having to run binaries from questionable and unknown (to _me_) source code which has access to the data and capabalities of my device. For example, look at the Choota Bheem app on the Play Store. It wants permissions to make calls - that is right - make calls. I put the phone on airplane mode before my kids' hijack it (the device). Such apps which hide what they do from _me_ are more a threat to my device than rooting it. I am no dev; just running purebreed android (currently, gingerbread) android on a device which came with Froyo. (Hope to run JB 4.2.2 by the time you get to read this). ;-D And a 12+ year user of Debian GNU/Linux on my PCs. (apologies to the list) -- Mahesh T. Pai || A closed mouth gathers no feet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Please post this !
(Cutting out everything - I am replying to all the replies here). This list sux. Sorry to tell you guys this in your face; but let us call a spade a spade. Here is one guy who wants to get some reading material on how to learn swi^W^W^W linux in 2 days. None of us (please note the inclusive) told him to spend 20 minutes in-a-poo^W^W^W installing a free OS somewhere. He would have covered a quarter of the learning curve. At least, he came to the right place, no?? g.d.r PS:- Three years and they gave no exposure to the best OS in the world?? I am happy I do not own Wipro shares. :-D -- Mahesh T. Pai || It's not the software that's free; it's you. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Back to the drawing board - A requiem to a man I never knew
Raj's was one of the first few names I came across on the net. While I am in no way a software guy, (I am more a user who prefers to be free), I used to hand around in the IRC channels and mail lists even a few years back. Raj's mails and chat on the net were one of msot helpful, useful challenging and crispiest I came accross. Couple of days back, when he asked about that choose the distro from a boot menu on a pendrive question, I was tempted to shoot off, that is the next project for you. I held back; after all, I am no longer active in almost anything. Having to position a mere six inches from a 21 inch screen to be able to read anything is not exactly the best way to be active online. There were chances that there was a project somewhere, which I missed. But, the question was lying around in my mind. I too had felt a need for the problem, but I was deliberately keeping myself as far awayas I can from the screen. So, couple of days later, I came back to this list; to be greeted with a screenful of red letters. That meant a sudden flurry of activity on the list. (I still use console mode, and mutt shows unread messages in red). Heck, has somebody sent yet another invite to a social networking site?? Nah. The subjects are different. Slowly, realisation dawns. I am a bit perturbed. I look into other folders to check if this has come up in any other mailing list. I realise that I have unsubscribed from almost every other list - except this one. And remind myself why I stayed on here - I like the OldMonk. And his posts. I fired up my text editor and went to its news reader mode; I quit in disgust, except for hate mails I hate XYZ; The ABC s/w is coming back etc is not the kind of stuff I adored. One thing I learnt in life was to stop griping and doing something about things we detested. And I admired Raj for his technical, communicative and advocacy skills. He helped those who helped themselves. He wrote software and freely shared it with whoever wanted it. And he did his bit (actually, looots of bit) to make the non-technical environment more conducive towards Free Software. Slowly, I recall the past few years. In a couple of weeks, I will be celebrating 13 years of being online. The news comes to me on the 13th day of the month. I recall the reactions in the fsug-kochi community when a certain Mr Raju Mathur has been nominated by the FSF to receive an award. And happiness when RMS explains (in a private mail) why Raj was selected. (hmm... was it for the award or was he in the jury?). Over the next couple of years, I note that RMS, as usual, was right. I recall, several years back, there was a person listed on the Debian's commercial services page as a consultant. It was Raj. I also recollect, how, Raj was able to maintain lists without bringing his personal (ie., commercial / business) interests into them. I also remember noticing how almost every other list (free software / Linux / GNU linux related ones, that is) was tainted or hijacked by commercial instrests. It was surprising how much technical details Raj was able to share and discuss with the community, without disclosing clients' identities. Those mails / writeups were very informative. One of the best ones was the one on implementing the latest, shiniest version of Samba for an organisation with few Ks of users. I note that he was one guy who bought his personal device for the freedom it offered (his first mobile was purchased, according to him, because it ran Linux - and those were the days when Motorola still meant that SM56 modem to me; and all that moolah would fetch quite a few square yeards of real estate in most parts of this country. He also started off the indroid list; and released probably first GPL'ed app for Android from this country. DNCViolations, the app written by Raj, is still of immense use to me - I need to use at least couple of times a month. I was wondering what we, the PC based listers will do with advent of the mobile avalanche. Raj's last thread was a reminder that the PC was not dead yet. And also a reminder that lots needs to be done to retain those luxuries of the technological world people like Raj have been figting for all these years. I know that te $diety will not allow that soul to rest in peace. I believe in the Indian philosophy, and am sure that it has merged with Him. What I hope for is that the $diety is good enough to send that soul back to the drawing board. And send us much more of them. We need more people like Raj. (apologies for grammar and typos; my eyes simply cannot bear the strain of re-reading this longish mail; though my mind wants to, so apologies if I hurt anybody). -- Mahesh T. Pai || Sent from my Gooseberry. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] An e-governance project
Short info: http://lc.kerala.gov.in/images/Current/eoilabour.pdf More info for those who care:- The Government of Kerala has called for an EoI (Expression of Interest) to monitor whether the employers here are actually paying salaries / wages to their workmen. Please forward this to any other Linux / FOSS list you please, I am not posting this anywhere else in hope that somebody here will. :-D (actually, I have unsubscribed from acually almost every list except a few dormant ones). Please do not discuss merits, rights and wrongs or anything else about this with me; just point out the EOI to the corporate / business minded out there. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Encryption: A powerful algorithmic encoding technique employed in the creation of computer manuals. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu sudo command problem
Raju Mathur said on Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:02:00AM +0530,: Can somebody help me to get my system back as it was earlier.. Or is there any way to restore my system back? 1. Get a list of permissions of critical files in /etc/ from the 'net, a friend's machine, wherever. If this is a simple desktop, the easier way out would be a reinstall. joke 2. Boot into root. I won't tell you how, there are enough pointers on Will moving #5 above this help?? /J Would rephrase as get into rescue mode, and (re)mount / with rw permissions. That is, assuming Ubuntu boot loader has a rescue option, which I believe it ought to have. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Man's most judicious trait, is a good sense of what not to believe. --Euripides ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Wipro too.
Ashish SHUKLA said on Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 09:13:26PM +0530,: http://www.canonical.com/content/canonical-and-dell-announce-today-dell-laptops-pre-loaded-ubuntu-will-be-sold-850-retail-out Same day, few hours later, Wipro too announced couple of desktops with Gnu/linux installed. No links - was reading it from my mobile; using google reader (RSS). (for newbies around - I have changed the subject - notice that _most_ mail readers / clients will still show this message under the original thread.) -- Mahesh T. Pai || ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Configuring sendmail in VPS Server
Gaurang Aggarwal said on Sun, May 27, 2012 at 09:11:55AM +0530,: I have this VPS having Debian installed . I used apt-get remove sendmail to first , remove the sendmail and then apt-get install sendmail to install it again . But now , I have my websites taking awfully long time to send emails . The default MTA on Debain is exim4. Any reason you switched to sendmail? Just curious. Why did you remove sendmail in the first place? apt-get remove by itself does not remove the entire package. It will leave a lot of cruft around, especially in /etc/, and when you reinstall the package, the old config files in /etc/ are likely to be reused. If you suspect problems with configuration files, you ought to have used dpkg --purge foo. Please tell me how to resolve this issue . Start with Raj's suggestion in the other mail. -- Mahesh T. Pai || End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Android Device Drivers
Aman Thakur said on Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:06:51PM +0530,: of making Device drivers for an Android Device. Can you suggest me how can i start with it. I need to make them as soon as possible but don't know how can i start it as soon as possible. I would appreciate if someone can provide me some good link for quick start on device drivers for android. http://developer.android.com https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=android+device+drivers -- Mahesh T. Pai || End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How to Immediately Pause Printing in Linux?
Amit Sharma said on Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:35:46AM -0700,: We would like to immadiatelty Pause the print given by command lp -d canon3225 -s haven't tried it myself, but I suspect you are looking for the -H and -i options. Not sure if cups recognises a hardware resume response from the printer- I suspect it does. I always use cut sheets. On some of my dot matrix printers, which have a pause button, if I send a multi page print job, the printer will not continue printing unless I resume printing. But I suspect that is related to the hardware, not software. Not sure. I do not think a software pause can be resumed from the printer. We want that user should go to the printer and manually resume the print, this is required to ensure stoppage of paper wasteage. See above. Is there anyway to give the print in pause state? Point a browser at http://localhost:631. Go to the relevant printer, and use the resume printing button. Whenever a print job goes bad here, I simply cancel the job and create a fresh one. -- Mahesh T. Pai || DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How to Immediately Pause Printing in Linux?
Ashish SHUKLA said on Mon, May 21, 2012 at 04:56:32PM +0530,: Probably you need to add manual-feed printing option, which requires user-intervention at printer to start printing ? Not sure if it will work - every time the printer senses that paper is loaded, it tells the print system that it is ready, and the server keeps on sending data for printing. Always happens when a paper curls back and gets back into the feed tray instead of comong out. Again, my experience only; cups + dot matrix printing; using cut sheet paper. And printing from LibreOffice/OO.o using the manual tray option. -- Mahesh T. Pai || free - (adj) able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; free from obligations or duties; not bound to servitude; at liberty. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Android trouble?
Tanveer Singh said on Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 02:58:51PM +0530,: Nothing to do with Android here. Once you near your free usage quota(80% of whatever), you start getting redirect to this airtel smartbytes page, prompting you to buy additional usage, even if you do not want Additional usage. Taking this stil more OT, time to trai try?? I mean, try approaching TRAI? I used to get these on Reliance wired bored band (what else should you call BB @ 64kbps?) Changed ISPs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Recommendations for .in domain name registrar
Angad Singh said on Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 12:58:05AM +0530,: Didn't know domain registrars fall under the subject matter of free/open source software. Just that people using F/OSS tend to share certain values in common. Freedom is not just use; and use is not just on the desktop / server. Refer to Karanbir's reply. If you are hinting that this thread deserves a slightly-OT/commercial tag; IMHO, no. I speak only for myself. -- Mahesh T. Pai || End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Suggestions for anroid phone for running cyanogenmod
gurteshwar singh said on Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:20:00AM +0530,: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:30 AM, ilugd-requ...@lists.linux-delhi.org wrote: Send Ilugd mailing list submissions to ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org (big snip). need I really explain why?? tabs are gonna help that :) Thanks for you suggestion though, but I don't have access to a windown box. In which case, you should double check xda devel forum for how to root and/or install custom ROMs on a given model. For Samsung (the brand), their galaxy line is supported by heimdal. Heimdal is a software (IIRC, GPL'ed), which will write ROMs and other goodies to the phone. Manufacturers, as usual, provide only non-free s/w for such tasks. For example, Samsung provides a non-free s/w which runs only on non-free oses called ODIN. Heimdal is a replacement for ODIN - and runs on both free and non-free OSes. My phone is not supported by Heimdal. As to defy+, there are reports of people running ICS on it. See:- https://www.google.com/search?q=defy%2Bsite%3Aforum%2Fxda-developers.com -- Mahesh T. Pai || TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [Hardware] Config for Linux desktop
Vijai Ganapathy said on Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:57:49PM +0530,: 1. AMD Athlon II X2 260 + Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P + HDD + 4 GB Ram Not that I am qualified to answer but ... Will 32 bit h/w use 4 gig ram? I was thinking that only 3 GB or so is maximum a 32 bit OS can handle. Why not a terminal server setup? A basic RAID set up on the server with may be, 8 of 16 Gig ram, and may be 1 or 2 GB Ram disk less nodes. I would not consider Atom, simply because it is a 32 bit h/w; since you mentioned sysadmin concept, I suggest you stick to 64 bit hw to avoid -- Mahesh T. Pai || Man's most judicious trait, is a good sense of what not to believe. --Euripides ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [Oracle Weblogic] Problems with weblogic
Vivek Puri said on Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 09:27:28AM +0530,: What if the software is run on Linux ? Please view various FLOSS based public fora - mailing lists, groups, irc chat rooms, etc - as customer care centers for FLOSS software. In fact, at least one project (IIRC, Emacs), advertises their IRC channel as the customer support. As its perfect to mix open source and closed sourced softwares, I In licensing terms, yes. In technical sense, again, yes. think it is fair to raise such question ... as long as the person raising the question has taken effort to ensure the problem is not related to closed sourced components. Although that doesn't seem to be the case here ;) As somebody pointed out yesterday on this thread, reason this piece of closed s/w sells is customer support they provide. I feel that it was sufficient hint to approach them. With better tools like Jboss and glassfish available in Open source world we should encourage people to use Oracle Weblogic because sometimes best way to teach someone is to let them shoot themselves in the foot. Heh. Agree on the latter part of your reasoning; not the first part the - ... encourage people to use ... one. Sometimes, even trial usage ends in conviction and sentence to permanent bondage. -- Mahesh T. Pai || With freedom comes responsibility. Do not use unauthorised copies of copyrighted material. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft, Apple Protest SOPA?
Smruti said on Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 03:31:01PM +0530,: From the website; *If you are using Windows please update your system. If you are using GNUhttp://www.muktware.com/category/project/gnu/Linux, please install Windows to join the protest.* * * LOL... Missed the message, eh? -- Mahesh T. Pai || Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Cheap Android Phone with Call Recorder
Abhishek Singh Bailoo said on Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 11:02:54PM +0530,: Is there a cheap Andriod phone (sub 5k!!!) available with a call recorder. Are not the call recorders available on the market doing the job? And which phone is available at sub 5K? (The trouble with call recorder is that Andriod does not allow access to the voice buffer during a call. Hacks which record from the speakerphone are aweful) The Chinese dudes at http://miuiandroid.com/ claim to have a ROM which can do the trick. But only expensive (15k+) phones are supported. You obviously have not tried the market place? Question: How do I go about building a ROM for my sub 5k Android phone? Any wild / off-tangent ideas could be useful too :) Have you tried forum.xda-developers? There is plenty of literature out there available on how to do this. -- Mahesh T. Pai || TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] (hardware/slightly OT) New SATA disk giving BIOS errors
Ashish SHUKLA said on Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 08:46:15AM +0530,: Are you sure your RTC (real-time clock) battery is not discharged ? Maybe try replacing the battery. This certainly is not a battery / RTC problem, because things work perfectly with the new drive disconnected. I used to experience these issues (has nothing to do with RTC) some years ago, mostly due to crappy SMPS, bad power/data cable which got fixed after I replaced its SMPS. Again, everything on the system is same - except a new drive and its cable. Did try changing the cable; no avail. Did try with the other SATA dirk disconnected, again no avail. And what's that error message you get from BIOS ? How do I find out - except with the POST card you mentioned? 2. Is there a problem with the new disk? Very less likely. Thanks, it is a relief to hear that. Anyway, the system was powered off few minutes after I posted the question, and powered on just now; and with the new HDD disconnected, things work just fine. Since ifup scripts automatically run ntpdate sync, the system time is all right just now. And syslog says time was offset by a mere -0.3odd seconds. I hate to tinker with the bios; and chipset is z not supported by flashrom. :-( That by itself does not seem to be a problem, since the BIOS seems to support reading from ISO9660 filesystems for upgrading the BIOS. There goes my weekend!!! (120KM commuting and a 15hour work schedule is not very conducive for flashing the BIOS). . -- Mahesh T. Pai || L'homme est libre au moment qu'il veut l'etre. * Man is free at the instant he wants to be. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] (hardware/slightly OT) New SATA disk giving BIOS errors
A. Mani said on Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 08:49:01AM +0530,: Some mainboard component has failed or it is a built-in bug for the type of chipset you have. Yes, I suspect I will upgrade the BIOS and see. change bios. Remove all other sata drives and test. No use - see the other mail. use ahci 1. How? ahci=yes or somesuch on the kernel? 2. But I am talking of BIOS? speed? The mobo supports 3 GBPS transfer rate on the SATA port. Not sure about the disk - now I need to pull itout to read the label. Will do it later. Now, this has me thinking. Thanks for the hint, will check if this can cause such issues. Or, in otherwords, will using a 6GBPS capable drive on a 3gbps only mobo cause problems? Aren't these thingies supposed to be backward compatible? Or should I look for some jumber settings on the disk? (errrm... cannot find any - this is a SATA disk nothing looking like jumber connectors on it). -- Mahesh T. Pai || The next best thing to knowing something is to know where to find it. --Samuel Johnson ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] (hardware/slightly OT) New SATA disk giving BIOS errors
Hi all. I know this is not related to Linux or FOSS. But the box runs Debian, and am hoping that people here would have some experience dealing with things like this. I got a new 500 GB SATA HDD, Seagate make. Output of smartctl says something about compliance with version of 8 of ATA standards. (the disk is not connected right now). When the new disk is connected, the BIOS either shows a blank screen or throws up an error message, and asks me to set CMOS time, which falls back to 2002. Especially When I power on after a gap of 20 minutes or more. There are no error messages in any of the logs; if I get past the BIOS barrier, I can use the disk, I partitioned and created ext4 FS too. The BIOS is of 2002 vintage, going by the copyright notice in the BIOS menu. But the system is hardly 3 years old; it is an Asus M2N 68 AM plus mother board. The other disk too is a SATA one, only 80 Gigs, and is about 6 years or more old (reused the old disk in the new system). The DVD r/w drive is IDE. Questions:- 1. Is this a problem with the MoBo / BIOS? 2. Is there a problem with the new disk? 3. How safe is it to tell the BIOS to ignore boot up errors (there is an option somewhere in the BIOS to halt on errord - currently enabled) 4. How to identify the error BIOS is getting? Anything else I can do here? -- Mahesh T. Pai || Free Software - it is free as in FREEDOM ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Article on Drupal in Hindu
A. Mani said on Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:49:06AM +,: The author writes While over thousands of developers maintain the software, ‘tens of thousands' of community volunteers across the world continuously add new features, called modules, to the license-free software. Heh. This looks more like an editor's devil, (as in 'priner's devil). The poor guys might have thought that freely licensed is same as license free. Thanks for that correction. Hope it get published. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] unable to install packages in ubuntu 11.04
RUPALI DUBEY said on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 07:04:37PM +0530,: Hello, I just had a query that whenever i try to install packages in ubuntu 11.04 it gives an error failed to install package files check your internet connection, even when the connection is ok. What exactly do you mean by even when the connection is ok?? Can you browse other sites? What are contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ? /etc/resolv.conf ? -- Mahesh T. Pai || Encryption: A powerful algorithmic encoding technique employed in the creation of computer manuals. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Online Trading Terminal in Linux
Ashish SHUKLA said on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 07:09:18AM +0530,: vikram ranade writes: Does anyone hove experience running an online trading terminal for the BSE/NSE and other Indian exchanges on Linux? I forward this query to a friend (not subscribed to ilugd list) who has experience in this domain, and following is his reply: (snip) Several years back, my broker was using *nix and *BSD as a firewall. The sites were robust (as in lot in and you get presented with the login screen). And then, our stock exchanges switched over to a proprietary OS, primarily meant for desktops. And slowly, my brokers' sites started moving to that same OS. I consider myself lucky that I can actully login and trade - using the HTML interface. They also provide a flash based interface, but I find that too tedious. (I am not a trader - I buy / sell, may be once in 2 years per scrip - but record couple of transactions per month). Some more digging threw up an interesting fact - trade data in India is a closely guarded secret - pay up ₹ � to get access. No free of cost; no unrestricted access. In contrast, trading data from most other SEs outside India is available FoC and without restrictions. And there are several F/OSS tools to use this data to generate your own technical charting. The root for this, lies in the SEs themselves. They need to change their approach to IT infracture, which, currenty is a wonder why people do not care to break into. -- Mahesh T. Pai || REVOLUTION, n. An abrupt change in the form of misgovernment. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Best Obituary for Steve Jobs
Gaurav Mishra said on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 12:25:34PM +0530,: That was sick. Disrespect on someone's death is not a honorable deed. I hate to join issue on this; but I really cannot call it sick. Jobs' Apple Inc., started off as a rival to IBM's PC. Do you know the platform / marketing mantra Apple of early 1980s proffered users?? Freedom. Now, show me one iPod to which I can load my music files from a GNU/Linux PC. And please accept the fact that you do not have the freedom to use Apple's improvements to the free BSD OS they call OSX. Looks like Apple redifined freedom between 1980s and 2000s. RMS' post focuses on the acts and deeds; not the man. -- Mahesh T. Pai || L'homme est libre au moment qu'il veut l'etre. * Man is free at the instant he wants to be. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Best Obituary for Steve Jobs
Mahesh T Pai writes: Gaurav Mishra said on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 12:25:34PM +0530,: Anyway, RMS does not seem to be alone in his views. quote The Steve Jobs who founded Apple as an anarchic company promoting the message of freedom, whose first projects with Stephen Wozniak were pirate boxes and computers with open schematics, would be taken aback by the future that Apple is forging. Today there is no tech company that looks more like the Big Brother from Appleâs iconic 1984 commercial than Apple itself, a testament to how quickly power can corrupt. /quote From:- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/opinion/jobs-looked-to-the-future.html?_r=2 The commercial mentioned above was aired just once. You can find it here:- http://youtu.be/lSiQA6KKyJo -- Mahesh T. Pai || ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Best Obituary for Steve Jobs
Pratul Kalia said on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 03:33:03PM +0530,: Jobs was a marketing guru very good at selling you expensive crap and taking away people's freedom to use software and even hardware. FWIW - those are not RMS's words. Too bad you are not on the list to learn that you have misread this mail. Of course, I don't even need to tell anyone the number of Macbooks that are visible in every F/OSS conference as well. Ah. yes. Only that they ran GNU/Linux. At least, the ones I saw. But ugh oh. I chewed on your flamebait lock, stock, and barrel. Mandatory : Apple fans are the exemplars of Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome Mandatory? You sir, I believe, lack a basic sense of respect. This is a serious psychological syndrome that happens because of completely Yet another shoot from the hip. Too bad Mr. Mani posted withing giving his sources (the links); still bad that you missed to differentiate between RMS' post and the comments on RMS' words. different reasons. I understand you have a strong viewpoint on what Apple has done over the years but do NOT say things that you have no idea about. If you knew someone who happened to have Stockholm's, you'd perhaps understand the gravity of what you said, even though in jest. Hope you understand what is contained in that wiki article. I suspect you confused that with Down's??? And I really do not understand the point discussing what was discussed elsewhere here. -- Mahesh T. Pai || A closed mouth gathers no feet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] BSNL EVDO dongle on Fedora 14
gurteshwar singh said on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 03:32:30PM +0530,: I am trying to help somebody get a BSNL EVDO card running on Fedora 14. From lsusb, I get that device is (15eb:1231) . Problem is that Fedora 14 sees it just as a storage device and is not detected as a modem. I had a similar problem with my reliance card but usb_modeswitch solved that. However, configuring usb_modeswitch.conf in this case does not help. When usb_modeswitch is run, it ends up giving the error : 'response endpoint not given or found' . Any help to get this working would be much appreciated. Tried udev rules? That will force the system to recognise the device as a modem. However, you will need to look elsewhere (other than me, that is) for info on how to go about actually doing this. Sorry, I have to admit my ignorance on writing udev rules. -- Mahesh T. Pai || It's not the software that's free; it's you. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [ANNOUNCE] Android-India mailing list
Raju Mathur said on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 08:03:23AM +0530,: Have found only one so far: SIM Toolkit. AFAICT, this is not an Android built in app. If you want to check, put the phone in Airplane mode, and see if that appears in the list of apps. Time to root the phone and uninstall the cr*p, I guess. Anytime is fine to root the phone. Just make sure that you are thorough with recovery procedures, in case things go wrong. Rooting by itself does not guarantee ability ot uninstall bloatware. You need to install a custom recovery app (like clockwork mod), which will in turn allow you to flash ROM from the SD card. -- Mahesh T. Pai || A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Finding Virtualization Software that Fits
Hmm... I risk taking the thread off topic. Ashish SHUKLA said on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 12:24:42AM +0530,: Not sure, why you think Xen is enterprise only. Because all this:- you use daily for watching pr0n, hanging out on social networks, writing code, etc., and run VMs, is what they do (at least, one of most important things) @ enterprise environment, right? g.d.r. -- Mahesh T. Pai || End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [ANNOUNCE] Android-India mailing list
abhishek jain said on Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:26:44AM +0530,: Beware of 3G plans, i bought a 100MB plan from airtel, i mistakenly used 196 MB, i was charged Rs. 100 for first 100MB and 1400 for next 96 MB and more so they dont alert on overuse :( , there is no way to check usage until the bill is handed over. !dea is keeping on warning me about my data usage (2g) till previous day evening -- Mahesh T. Pai || Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] DSC Registration for efiling
Anand Shankar said on Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:17:42AM +0530,: Have any of you done your income tax efiling with digital signature? What is the cost of a signature authentication from a what-are-those-guys-called? Strangely it asks you to register your digital signature certificate (DSC) before you proceed. That appears to be genuine that they want my CA certified Public Key and digital signature. What appears to be strange is that they are asking to upload the DSC through a .pfx file or the usb token. If u see the standards .pfx file is a pkcs12 file which contains the public key as well as the private key!! Am i wrong that innocent guys must have uploaded their private keys to the income tax department? Looks more like a case of misapplied standards - probably, non-free apps on non-free OSes (obviously) do not comply with the standards. I wish to stand corrected. -- Mahesh T. Pai || The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. --Stephen hawking ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] What happens in BASH when you do Ctrl-C (hint, it's not simply sending a SIGINT)
Sharad Birmiwal said on Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:00:20AM -0400,: The reason is because apt-get invokes a program called http to download packages. Here is what I tried. While I do find the thread interesting, and commend your efforts, I suspect this statement. There is no program called `http' on a GNU/Linux system. What you have is one of those confounded members of the apt, dpkg family has what they call 'method' to get the packages. If you configured your sources.list to fetch from a http server, it runs 'method http; if it was ftp, they run 'method ftp'; and if you had specified cdrom, it will apply the method, cdrom. So, if you wanted to interrupt 'fetching' from a cdrom, you would need to look for process named 'cdrom'. IMHO, you should raise this question in apt / dpkg developers' list. I was about to post this yesterday, but being dad to 2 kids who do not know that GNU/Linux is not user friendly (and hence grab the mouse and fire off one of their favourite tuxmath / tuxpaint / tuxtype / gcompris games) gave my session a SIGTERM. -- Mahesh T. Pai || L'homme est libre au moment qu'il veut l'etre. * Man is free at the instant he wants to be. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Yogesh Singh via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com writes: LinkedIn Yogesh Singh requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Vinay, nay. Nay. Vi - nay nay nay nay. hey; hey hey, nay nay hay. very idiotic neurotic asinine yokel. /me braces for a ban I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Yogesh Accept invitation from Yogesh Singh http://www.linkedin.com/e/xrfxzz-gq5dvopu-4d/qWyQOxWKoBniiga-E9SHaxMCNW6ih6nQ4y5zLL81tR/blk/I153048778_25/1BpC5vrmRLoRZcjkkZt5YCpnlOt3RApnhMpmdzgmhxrSNBszYRcBYUdPsUd30Pdj59bRF9gTtDjQgUbPgTe3sVcP0RdjcLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/ View invitation from Yogesh Singh http://www.linkedin.com/e/xrfxzz-gq5dvopu-4d/qWyQOxWKoBniiga-E9SHaxMCNW6ih6nQ4y5zLL81tR/blk/I153048778_25/3kOnPwTdPwQc3cRckALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ -- DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select a vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email signatures, website, etc http://www.linkedin.com/e/xrfxzz-gq5dvopu-4d/ewp/inv-21/ -- Mahesh T. Pai || Sent from my Gooseberry. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Inquiry : Ubuntu 10.10 live CD does not work on IBM Thinkpad R502!!!
sharanjit Kaur said on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 05:49:28PM +0530,: I was trying to run Ubuntu 10.10 Live CD(Desktop edition) on my IBM thinkpad R50e, but could not succeed. My system is dual boot (Window xp and Fedora 6) Error I got is : Process 303: Glib-Warning getpwuid_r() failed due to unknown user Please help me in solving this problem!!! The information you provide is inadequate. What were you trying to do? If the error happened while booting, is it possible to note down the last messages (if any) you see on the screen? Also, there is a specialised web forum - UbuntuForums.org where you can ask Ubuntu specific info. This, because you do not seem to have problems with Fedora. Since you seem to have a working Fedora install, is it possible to get output of the lspci command from that? Finally, please read and follow this before posting questions:- http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Last but not the least, if you had googled, there is an identical thread on UbuntuForums. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Funny how people infriging commercial software licences are called pirates, while huge companies infriging the GPL are called users ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Youtube videos
Gora Mohanty said on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 07:35:20PM +0530,: So, if I remember correctly, one opens the file, unlinks it (effectively making it invisible to a 'ls'), and can then merrily read/write from/to the open file descriptor as long as the process is running. Of course, the data that you have written will be lost when you close the file descriptor, unless you copy it elsewhere. So, this means that even as I am viewing nth second of the flv, the file descriptor still contains 1st second? -- Mahesh T. Pai || The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. --Stephen hawking ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Youtube videos
Gora Mohanty said on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:12:08PM +0530,: For the Youtube case, one should wait till the video has finished buffering (the faint red line is all the way to the right), before trying to copy the file. There is also the catch that it is not clear to me when exactly the open file descriptor is closed by the Flash player. As soon as the video finishes playing, afaict. If I hit replay after the video has finished playing, the network activity starts all over aagain; so this is based on a presumption; not actual observation. (I presume that y'all will only do this for content that y'all are authorised to save.) rant Yes, sir, Of course, sir. Definitely, sir. We all value copyrights sir. BTW sir, my daughter had performed a dance in her school, and I had posted a video of that on youtube. But sir, I am told (by youtube) that doing so amounts to a /possible/ copyright violation. Sir, is the law that only people with long purses and former cops as advi$o₹s are entitled to hold copyrights?Is my 4 year old kid not entitled to any? /rant -- Mahesh T. Pai || ~/\$ mv -vfi linux gnu/linux ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] What is common between sarees, Radios, TVs, and laptops?
Populism at its peak. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/hardware/jayalalithaa-creates-rs-350-crore-opportunity-for-laptop-makers/articleshow/8405784.cms Sorry if the link goes far to teh right of your screen. Rants about OS to be installed welcome. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Free Software - it is free as in FREEDOM ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] What is common between sarees, Radios, TVs, and laptops?
Sudev Barar said on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:11:04PM +0530,: I wonder if RTI application for fiscal responsibility and accountability is maintainable for such irresponsible acts? RTI is certainly applicable, ang given the scale of the proposed project, the appropriate authority to provide info would be the Chief Secretary or the Secretary, Education. (most probably, the latter). But frankly, I would not grudge the project itself, but the bigger question - what about the OSS? If they say `yes BOSS', it is alrright with me. They even have eduBOSS available. Will the govt. behave responsibily? Read about boss here:- http://bosslinux.in/ Problem is, state of the FOSS movement in India is like that of a driver trying to start a car with a blown clutch cylinder. ;-D -- Mahesh T. Pai || Distribute Free Software -- Help stamp out Software Hoarding! ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] open source: try, encourage and discourage - anyway out?
Mohit Singh said on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 02:34:33PM +0530,: We saw MySQL, Skype and now the next target can be VLC or even firefox. sarcasm Why did you leave out openoffice out of this list? Emacs and vim too are deserving candidates. For some, even the linux kernel deserves to be in the list. /sarcasm Actually, who are we?? Once GPL, always GPL. If future, improved eye candy versions go proprietary, we can always implement our own free versions based on the pre-proprietary code. ; -- Mahesh T. Pai || It's not the software that's free; it's you. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LONG] Re: Large Debian installations in India
Raju Mathur said on Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 10:22:09PM +0530,: Once again, sorry to dash cold water on expectations (though with the I fully agree and concur with the need to protect the client's privacy / terms of contract. I hope you will be able to give some answers to the following specific questions. 1. Debian has 3 sections - main, non-free and contrib. The classification is based on licensing /and/ freeness of dependencies. Apart from hardware specific packages, anything that is not in Debian? 2. Debian takes pride in packaging anything with a free (as in freedom) license. Did you have to customise any package? (in any way - like recompile against a specific library version; rebuild a kernel,e tc) ? Aw - I recall a post you made long time back about a samba installation. ;-D 3. What was the documentation about? As you have rightly pointed, the community has no use for documentation on things like reducing / elevating user privileges within the installation. Or how they manage the sudoers group. Actually, I should confess that you had to do any documentation at all - I do an occasional single PC install, and most of documentation is available on the F! key. But of course, we are not comparing cats and horses! -- Mahesh T. Pai || That men do not learn much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach us. --Aldous Huxley ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Modes of Huawei's EC1260 Photon Plus (CDMA, HSIA, Dual)
bhanuv...@gmail.com said on Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 02:28:22PM +0530,: Awaiting Suggestions / Solutions. Is network-manager installed? Is mobile-broadband-provider-info package installed? -- Mahesh T. Pai || L'homme est libre au moment qu'il veut l'etre. * Man is free at the instant he wants to be. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Where to send mails of linux job openings ?
Sudhir Gandotra said on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 10:35:17AM +0530,: Where to send mails of Linux job openings ? The mails sent to this list are not appearing. Gmail does not send you mail sent by you to a mailing list. -- Mahesh T. Pai || He is wise who knows the sources of knowledge -- who knows who has written and where it is to be found. --A.A. Hodge ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Modes of Huawei's EC1260 Photon Plus (CDMA, HSIA, Dual)
bhanuv...@gmail.com said on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 08:45:53PM +0530,: There has to be some mode setting feature which allows switching between zero-cd mode, CDMA 1x, CDMA EDGE mode, and usb-storage (pendrive) modes. just need to discover the right instruciton ;) Since you mention zeroCD and mass storae, there is a package named usb-modeswitch; look up that, may help. -- Mahesh T. Pai || With freedom comes responsibility. Do not use unauthorised copies of copyrighted material. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:12456] What competition can do !!!
Grrr... the original messages were not to the ilugd mailing list, were they? It is frustrating to reply without getting the context. Raju Mathur said on Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 08:19:41AM +0530,: On Sunday 06 Mar 2011, A. Mani wrote: On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:53 PM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: The following has been an interesting read http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Controversy-surrounds-Red-Ha t-s-obfuscated-source-code-release-1200554.html See http://lwn.net/Articles/430098/ It is a GPL violation. Maybe I'm short-sighted, but I don't really see how it is a GPL violation. The GPL doesn't state anything about providing explicit patches vs one monolithic source. As long as the RH modifications are appropriately commented and documented, it's very much within the letter of the GPL. Sure, it may violate the spirit to some extent, and it's not a move I'd have wanted to see if anyone had asked my opinion, but I doubt if there is any legal obstacle to RH doing things this way. And how does this violate teh spirit of the GPL? The mainline kernel itself accepts binary only blobs / module / code / your fav name for it. And it worse that these blobs are under no-modification licences. You do not require a non-s/w guy like me to remind you that if source code is available, it is trivial, and in any sense of the term, much possible to de-obfuscate it. And by way of a gentle reminder, and more important, you (Raju) was, IIRC are one of the first customers in India of a mobile phone running the linux kernel. You would have looked up what it takes to get source code to that manufacturer's version of the kernel as running on that phone. -- Mahesh T. Pai || From The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906) [devil]: LAWYER, n. One skilled in circumvention of the law. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Understanding Open source code licenses
Ashish Bhatia said on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:18:55AM -0800,: Any comments/suggestions are welcome here as well as in the blog post. http://ashishb.net/legal/foss-free-and-open-source-code-licensing-faq/ Good work there. Please add a few words about copyleft and non-copyleft licenses. Both are Free (as in freedom) licenses. Also, please do put in place why you should use strong copyleft licenses. (of course, this is a matter of choice - some people, like *BSD developers, do not like copyleft licenses). -- Mahesh T. Pai || That men do not learn much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach us. --Aldous Huxley ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] FIghting the Tax
Saw this on Groklaw. Posting this link because I recall somebody asking about dealing with The Tax. http://www.piana.eu/aduc -- Mahesh T. Pai || It's not the software that's free; it's you. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
Gaurav Paliwal said on Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 01:01:16PM +0530,: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:01:16 +0530 From: Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org References: AANLkTinhTHOstrL2RkDp8ConKe_-2x=0ubgc4r-ig...@mail.gmail.com aanlktim3uvmjezk6ysmueolmhpp8vhniar3r9+vru...@mail.gmail.com 20110112161239.GA12763@localhost.localdomain AANLkTi=qnk4-sq8oi2zk7zojrwnosg6wfqpiu-gmf...@mail.gmail.com 20110113123217.GA14662@localhost.localdomain aanlktinc+3pghzdprzdqvpprxf0rctpbq8k0-pghn...@mail.gmail.com 20110115040956.GA4333@localhost.localdomain aanlktikervnrarsrrwimci4bw3qqdmsmzy+3ht9eo...@mail.gmail.com 20110115072028.GA16139@localhost.localdomain Message-ID: AANLkTimgQB0ojybGqD6auSc-aQd6g+vT=etrmmxie...@mail.gmail.com What is the assurance that the funds I pay you reaches the FSF? What narendra is trying to say is that on 16th Jan 2010 , he will donate the money to fsf on the spot on others behalf if others don't have online banking facility.He is not collecting money , he is just providing his credit/debit card on 16th Jan 2010 if other don't have that facility but still are willing to pay. Ah. Now that clears up quite a lot. Thanks. This is what Narendra wrote in his first post. We are starting a donation drive for FSF on 16 Jan 2011 at Geek Meetup - Cash collected during meetup will be transferred of the Credit Card Holder the he will transfer money to FSF account during meetup itself ... will be transferred of the Credit Card Holder ... Would have been better phrased as:- ... will be transferred to one Credit Card Holder... Sigh. Narendra, please go ahead. Too bad I would be coming there in person, else mine would have been one of the largest donations. -- Mahesh T. Pai || TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
Nalin Savara said on Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:20:06AM -0800,: Narendra, please go ahead. Too bad I would be coming there in person, else mine would have been one of the largest donations. ***Too bad I would be coming there in person, else mine would have ***-- I think you made a typing mistake here Mahesh!!! Yup; that should have been ... not be coming Thanks. -- Mahesh T. Pai || A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
Narendra Sisodiya said on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:06:49PM +0530,: You have not answered the question - is the fund raiser for FSF-I or FSF-B? FSF-B IMO, you should contact them before you run a fundraiser on their behalf. Else, you are setting a bad precedent. Any random guy can come around, make a few posts on some random mailing list claiming to support FLOSS, and then start fund raising drives; and then vanish with the funds. Please get in touch with FSF-B before you use their name to raise funds. Or for that matter, any other project. -- Mahesh T. Pai || With freedom comes responsibility. Do not use unauthorised copies of copyrighted material. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
Narendra Sisodiya said on Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:38:26AM +0530,: Cannot you check their website ? Do one think, just give 5 second to visit this website http://www.fsf.org/ I have been visiting that site for more than a decade now. After clicking that website , checkout the banner on the TOP,, They asking for funds?? Can not you read they are asking for funds ? So I am just helping those guys who want to pay them in cash,, Ah. Nice. what the big deal ?? What is the assurance that the funds I pay you reaches the FSF? Why should i contact them ?? I am still unable to catch your mind waves.. they are trying to make a resonance in my mind.. 1. Because FSF has not appointed any agents to collect donations on their behalf. 2. It is a basic etiquette that a person not connected with an organisation takes the organisation's permission before embarking upon a public drive to collect funds on the organisation. -- Mahesh T. Pai || A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
Narendra Sisodiya said on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:49:40PM +0530,: Its not a question of whom to donate. You have not answered the question - is the fund raiser for FSF-I or FSF-B? It is not relevant is, I am afraid, evading the question. checkout fsf.org, many who want to donate do not have creditcard or account or sufficient motivation to donate like even 10 INR. So on workshop we are trying to collect money and submit on behalf of all of US. There is nothing on FSF (both -I and -B) site which shows which of the donors / supports have credit cards. Please be specific. Which of the FSFs is this for? It is a question of bonafides. -- Mahesh T. Pai || It's not the software that's free; it's you. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
satyaakam goswami said on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:26:50AM +0530,: i am one of them but am unlucky to receive the blessings , since for some reasons i wanted to pay using paypal and there form was accepting using CC only , anyone had some luck paying using paypal to FSF Boston? https://my.fsf.org/donate The page clearly says you can make donations using PayPal. And there is a radio button below where you choose to pay using PayPal. -- Mahesh T. Pai || A closed mouth gathers no feet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
satyaakam goswami said on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 07:31:09PM +0530,: first i tried for option 1 , even though i checked paypal option , after my registration i got an option to renew using CC it did not accept Paypal so did the 2 option using paypal . And what did the webadmins at FSF say about it? -- Mahesh T. Pai || Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware
Nagarjuna G. said on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 09:23:14PM +0530,: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Narendra Sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: I will be speaking on 16 Jan 2011 on Why we should donate to FSF for 10 minutes. We are starting a donation drive for FSF on 16 Jan 2011 at Geek Meetup - Cash collected during meetup will be transferred of the Credit Card Holder the he will transfer money to FSF account during meetup itself using his credit card. Everything will happen on the stop itself so loopholes.. http://lug-iitd.org/Geek_meetup_-_16_Jan_2011#FSF_Donation_Drive Almost 50+ people are coming, one can donate from 50 INR to 5000 INR. It depends on your pocket money. So Lets make donation to one of the most important organization who is still fighting for digital freedom. If you are unable to attend the meetup and want to donate to FSF, then you do it online - https://my.fsf.org/donate/ would these donations go to FSF Boston or FSF India? Since FSF India has no means to get donations in dollars, money sent out of the country cannot be spent in India. i recommend the donors to donate to FSF India, which can be used for programs within India. More crucial question - does FSF Boston know about this drive? Since Nagarjuna did not know about this earlier, this is not with blessings of FSF-I. Obvious. That said, about 7-8 years back, we were discussing tying up with some agency for enabling online donations to FSF-I. Is that in place yet? I know quite a few who would rather volunteer and donate to FSF Boston rather than FSF-India. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] ubuantu 10.10
vivek kumar said on Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 03:01:08AM -0500,: i have install 10.10 ubuntu in Piv machine with 512mb ram but after 30 minuts system hang but is the problem its ram issu plz suggest me The information provided is inadequate. Please post output of:- `uname -r` (this tells us the kernel version) `lsmod` (kernel tells us the modules loaded) `sudo lspci -vvk` (tells us the hardware and kernel drivers in use) Does the machine respond to `Ctl + Alt + F1` key sequence? (this should give you a command prompt). Also, examine output of /var/log/Xorg.N.log. (after resetting from the hang - replace N with 0, 1 and 2) -- Mahesh T. Pai || First they came for the Jews; and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists; and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists; and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak out for me. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Idea about linux
ayush patnaik said on Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 11:43:40AM +0530,: Maybe you should make a Facebook group and hold online conferences weekly. Everyone can contribute on making it also after making this group we can make a new Linux better than ubuntu and fedora 1. As if the mailing lists, IRC chat rooms, web forums, etc are not enough. 2. You can start a group yourselves. 3. A person who uses 'linux' would think twice before signing up on Facebook. I am of course, speaking myself only. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com With freedom comes responsibility. Do not use unauthorised copies of copyrighted material. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FOSS profit
Sagar Belure said on Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 08:58:06PM +0530,: Of course, even if you are working for Free and Open source projects, there has to be some income. It is free as in freedom; freedom comes at a price; there are people like Canonical, IBM, and individual users like me who are willing to pay the price. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Delhi/NCR FOSS Geek meetup - 16 Jan 2011
Pratul Kalia said on Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 03:30:53PM +0530,: But using Windows for showing pdf presentation is not acceptable. What I suggest you to make a demo in video format which can be used in Linux... This is what I am against. Promoting one thing is different from using it as a tool. I do not quite get point of this thread. What is it there requiring use of non-free (as in freedom) applications for promoting freedom? If you cannot practise what you preach, you are hypocrite. I know those are harsh words, but -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] For Indian Debian Lovers like me - Please join its mailing list
I am not contradicting you, just putting forth a different PoV. Narendra Sisodiya said on Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 03:58:44PM +0530,: I am now migrating from Ubuntu to Debian because Debian give all things which ubuntu provide in a stable form. Welcome!!! Debian has three branch 1) Stable 2) Testing 3) Unstable.. With Stable, if some software is not working, you can be assured that it is because you have misconfigured it. Current Stable version is called Lenny. Current Testing is called Squeeze. Unstable is always called Sid. Sid is the character in the film Toy Story; he keeps on breaking your toys. For real advanced users, who can fix their broken toys, there are (4) Experimental, and (5) Incoming too. Have not used incoming though. Both are not technically distros, just a repository of latest packages. The official Debian customer support will not answer support questions for anything except stable. You are not supposed other distros unless you know enough about them to use them. I started off with Woody, (I think a PC Quest Magazine distro, probably compiled by Atul Chitnis - not very sure, then some RH version, and then moved over to Woody). That was some time in 2000 April. 2 years later, moved to testing. For past 6-7 years, using Unstable, upgraded every 2-3 weeks. Yes, my system is broken quite often. I have had to re-install it 2-3 times in past 8 years. IMO, the names testing, Unstable and Experimental are very misleading; the packages are far more stable than most other distros, including Ubuntu. Ubuntu and other product are derived from Unstable branch and meant for mass testing, ?? Not sure what exactly you meant here. AFAIK, Ubuntu uses sources from Debian's unstable branch, and are compiled against later versions of the libraries using latest compiler version(s). Ubuntu never cared about bug and stick to time table, the famous 10/10/10 release were having bugs and they released because they wanted to release it on time. I would rather rephrase it as Ubuntu gives more importance to timely releases. Above all, I do not to live with a OS which is controlled by a company who is targeting on MacOS. Look and feel and behavior of ubuntu is going towards mac os. What is wrong with that?? In fact, it is not Ubuntu which is imititating OSX. It is the GNOME desktop environment. (correct me if I am wrong). BTW, the film Toy Story was produced by Pixar, and Pixar is owned by Steve Jobs, the owner of Apple. You can definitely switch over to KDE from within Ubuntu, without installing Kubuntu. May be you can use Xfce. Icewm, fluxbox etc. Not sure, how to go about doing it, though. I want to devote my rest of the life for advocating and improving Debian in India. Welcome. But please do that without pulling down other distros. All distros share their improvements between them. Several Debian developers are paid by Canonical. Debian takes its bits and pieces from even Red Hat In fact, we should be thankful to Red Hat, they have sponsored some of the best fonts in al most all Indic languages. (and several volunteer groups have contributed excellent fonts for each language) The point, each distro does its bit towards improving GNU/Linux. Each distro has its own niche. Those who want a better look and feel can try latest mint which is also based on debian - http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604 http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/09/07/linux-mint-9-debian/ Why mint rather than Ubuntu or Debian? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 10.04 got crashed
Rakesh Kumar said on Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 06:07:01AM -0800,: Hi I firstly tried to look into the partition table by using # fdisk -l, but it was showing windows partitions only. It's not my laptop so i can't perform experiments on it. I've not worked on ubuntu so much but in Red Hat i preferably use this to delete grub: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=256 count=1 So i want to ask you whether this will work, to delete grub and reinstall it using installation media? No; this means you have a corrupted partition table. Wonder why windughs is not complaining. Try running testdisk froma live CD on the partition. testdisk will recover the partition. To rephrase it better, RECOVER the lost partition using testdisk. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Buy Free Software -- It gives you freedom! ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 10.04 got crashed
Rakesh Kumar said on Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:38:45PM +0530,: We already tried to solve it through grub command line but didn't work.. What did you do? Explaining that may help. Is this an ext4 partition? Is the issue related to inability of certain versions of grub to load ext4 partitions? If so, installing the relevant module from grub command line may help. I faintly recall breaking this system when I encountered that problem, and none of the rescue CDs I had could support ext4. Was forced to do a reinstall, first one in a loong time!! Have you checked that? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How bios detects hard drive
Rajveer Singh said on Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 09:58:29AM +0530,: By going through the above points, I understood that kernel uses the drivers which gives features like udma, pagged r/w, caching etc. whereas the bios way to access the disk is restricted to specific track and sectors. So if we don't require these features like udma, pagged r/w, caching etc. and only needed the restricted access to specific track and sectors then kernel may detect the new disk(SATA/ATA/SCSI/SAS etc) the same way as the bios without specific drivers. Correct me if I'm wrong. Well, I again say, there is no such thing as the kernel accessing a disk. The kernel accesses the chipset, which in turn accesses the disk. That is more accurate way of putting it. If the kernel does not support the disk controller chipset, there is no way the disk can be accessed. I doubt that the kernel can do anything like the restricted access the BIOS does. There are lot of holes in how I understand things, but I guess while the BIOS uses some feature / minimal set of requirements for bootup to access the hard disk, the kernel access the controller chipset, which in turns control the disk. Here is a small homework for you. Issue this command, preferably as non-root user. lspci -v -v |grep -i ide lspci lists the various PCI devices on the MoBo. -v -v makes it extra verbose; and the output is filtered case insensitively (grep -i), searching for the letters ide. The output I get here is 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO]) 00:08.1 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO]) You will of course, get different output. This tells me that the Mo-Bo has a disk controller from nVidia Corporation, and the chipset model is MCP61. There is no way my kernel can access the Samsung/ WD / LG / Seagate disks connected to this MoBo unless the kernel supports the nvidia MCP 61 controller.(of course, it is supported here). If the chipset was not supported, no way I can access the same disks. It is rare to find disk controller chipsets not supported by the kernel; the problem usually occurs with the graphic controllers. But as I said, I have had trouble with IDE controller chipsets. YMMV. Problems, if any, is usually with RAID controllers, rarely with IDE / SATA. If you have problems with IDE / SATA, chances could be that it is because the module was not built / loaded / included in the initramfs. When you encounter such problems, you may be better off talking to the list / forum / IRC channel of the respective distribution. You can repeat the lspci command above as super user with grep -i -C3 to get a 3 line context. You need to be suepr user, else you will find access denied errors. Will show you the kernel modules in use. And again, I am no kernel / HW guru. I have not installed on systems which I have not used, which is probably less than the number of years I have been using GNU/Linux. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 10.04 got crashed
Narendra Sisodiya said on Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 08:39:53PM +0530,: 2) never install Ubuntu without making a proper data backup A slightly better way would be to have /home/ under a different partition; and while re-installing, tell the installer to use the specific partition, without initializing it, or whatever. You need to be very careful, and read what the installer is telling. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 10.04 got crashed
Rakesh Kumar said on Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 08:20:01PM +0530,: As i could think that may be grub couldn't be updated due to incorrect parameters or may kernel couldn't be updated properly. I think she should delete the grub by using : dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=256 count=1 or using hda instead of sda and reinstall it by using the media. Please if any one has experienced this problem, share your experience and suggest me something.. My first guess is this is a UUID problem. No need for the dd=... stuff. Simply booting from a live/rescue CD, using the / partition in the installed HDD as the root partition and then re-installing grub ought to solve the issue. The CD will ask you to specify the partition to be used as the root partition, if you choose a rescue option. Installing Grub from the CD may not work; but YMMV. Also, if the version of the kernel on the rescue CD and the installed partition are different, the procedure may fail. A better option, if the rescue CD option fails, would be to use the grub command line. This, assuming this is a UUID problem. Please search the web (sorry, my browser is acting up ... I just upgraded) for the term grub2 rescue documentation), before attempting this. Basically, you should enter the command line within grub, edit the boot paramaters, and edit the root= paramater in the line starting with linux. But, you should really be looking this up on the ubuntuforums.org website. I guess they ought to know better. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Distribute Free Software -- Help stamp out Software Hoarding! ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How bios detects hard drive
Rajveer Singh said on Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:28:32PM +0530,: Yes, I agree, drivers for disk(IDE/SATA/SCSI/SAS chipsets, thanks to Mahesh for correcting me) are required by kernel not by BIOS but I'm wondering, why BIOS doesn't need drivers to access it. What special techniques are used in BIOS, so it can detect disks without it's drivers. If it's true, why kernel can not use the same technique to detect the new disks. Detecting a disk is not same as managing the disk, reading and writing data. And if the chipset itself is not detected, the disk on the chipset will not be detected. But, hey, not just BIOS, even the Grub does a better job at accessing disks, partitions and filesystems than the kernel itself. Long back, I used to have a very queer problem - the Install CD would work, but the kernel installed by the install CD itself would not work with certain IDE chipsets. Funnily, the boot loader (lilo / grub) would load. And then things would hang. Disk not found!!!. THis happens when the initramfs on the install CD contained a generic image, with larger number of modules, while the installed kernel image did not include the required drivers into the initramfs. Figured this out only recently. Using a different distro for install, and later installing the desired distro using chroot usually worked. That is what I could figure out at that time. But yes, you have a very valid point here. Unfortunately, I am a mere user, with little knowledge to C perl or ruby. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com First they came for the Jews; and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists; and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists; and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak out for me. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How bios detects hard drive
Rajveer Singh said on Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:43:25PM +0530,: I've a confusion related to hard drive detection process by system BIOS. This question may sound strange to some of you but I'll appreciate if I can get any link or lead to explore it further. As all of us know, to detect hardrive, we must need a suitable driver for hard disk in kernel. When we buy a new hard drive, if it's driver is not in the kernel, it doesn't detect but system BIOS can read it's MBR. So I'm just wondering, What machenism or techniques are used by BIOS so it doesn't require any additional drivers to detect hard drives. You mean the IDE / SATA / RAID chipset driver? AFAIK, disks themselves do not require any drivers. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Gaurav Paliwal said on Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:30:08PM +0530,: Just observed that all of the spam mails [linkedln/facebook/Gtalk] from the ilugd mailing list are automatically moved to spammed folder and others which are not spam from ilugd mailing list are coming directly to the inbox.This is actually very good feature , but I am unable to find that is this due to gmail spam filter or anything related to ilugd mailing list setting ??? It is a gmail feature. Happens to me for some other mailing lists too. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Android users here?
Hi all. How do you take backups of the address book / call logs / SMSes / apps on your Android phone? Does maker / brand make any difference here? I want actual experiences please. And my place is exclusive GNU/Linux, so sotware on the PC has to be FLOSS, preferably in Debian main. I am fed up of having to research a handset every time I change one, and planning to change over to Android in spite of the stiff (for a poor guy like me - a low end Android costs about one months' take home) prices. Thanks in advance. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. --Stephen hawking ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Android users here?
Naresh Narang said on Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 08:16:26AM -0800,: The best part about Android is that every single element that you store on your phone, is backed up on the cloud itself, on Google's servers. That goes for calendar entries, contacts, and emails. ... Hmm... is that the best part? Should I trust them with my personal data? Yup. Best part or not, cloud, rain, or shine, I want the data, here, on my PC, with the ability to manipulate it before sending it back to the phone. Going by posts on Nokia forums, even with Nokia phones and Nokia PC suite on one of the non-free OSes, not everything is ok. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Android users here?
Ravi Kumar said on Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:14:26PM +0530,: Do you want to manipulate your SMSes and again save to Phone?? It doesn't sound good. You can forward.. How about adding contacts to groups? It is a right royal pain in the bleep to open about 450 contacts manually and add them to 5 or 6 groups. My Nokia 5130 XM, purchased in January 2010 met sudden death due to a certain Mr. Issac Newton (heh!) last week. From Jan. 2010 to Dec 2010, I could not finish adding all the contacts to the groups. This requires that wammu/gammu supports the enhanced address book feature. The phone should allow wammu/gammu / whatever to write such data to it. Nokia 5130XM would allow reading, but not writing. One good thing about this model was that it allowed me to save contacts in Malayalam (yes, fonts were there in the phone), and it supported Unicode. I had to open the contact in wammu edit it, (using, for example, a name in ML) and then save it back to the phone, The phone itself would not support input methodss for languages other than HI, MR and Gujarati. Here too, enhanced phone book support was not available. On a PC, this job (manipulating the address book) would not take more than one hour. I cannot do that on the cloud. I am really a down to earth person. Support for an open format like vcf and dumping it into the memory card is a saving grace though. I guess emacs will do the editing. Apart from this, what else you want to edit?? If you want to get in deep, try their android development kit, start their remote shell and play with the API. That would be overkill. I want to learning driving; not automobile engineering. But the suggestion is welcome. I at least know that I can pay somebody to do what I want. Whether that will work in reality is something would like to know. But, hey, is it possible to do something like remote login from the PC to the android phone, like, say using wifi or bluetooth, and run an addressbook editor inside the phone? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com It's not the software that's free; it's you. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Android users here?
Gora Mohanty said on Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:38:33AM +0530,: Will heartily second that. I was originally worried about the possibility of bricking my phone, but the upgrade to Android 2.2 with Cyanogen went flawlessly. So, have Android 2.2 in a free system on a handset which has no official version beyond 1.6. Which brand / model? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com The next best thing to knowing something is to know where to find it. --Samuel Johnson ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] A radical shift in e-governance
On a slightly unrelated note, you may want to work on data in legacy encodings. Like the voter's database, which is bilingual (en local language), with most probably, the local language in the dated ISCII encoding. (At least, that is the case in Kerala). It ought to be a slightly non-trivial task to convert all that into Unicode. Several agencies need to access that data. Most modern Linux distros do not support legacy encodings addequately, and hence it is difficult to access legacy encodings. Venkatesh Hariharan said on Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 02:09:25PM +0530,: The Hindu has a nice feature on the Indian open standards policy. The examples cited in this article are very relevant. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com The next best thing to knowing something is to know where to find it. --Samuel Johnson ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Converting Unicode to PS
Raju Mathur said on Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:22:07AM +0530,: I have some text which contains a few Unicode characters. I'm currently using enscript(1) to convert the text to PS and then to PDF; however enscript isn't handling the Unicode characters. Apart from that it's doing a beautiful job of the conversion, including word wrapping. Any other commonly-available command-line utility for converting text with long lines to PS which would handle Unicode? Alternatively, any way to convert Unicode text directly to PDF on the command line? Have a look at a2ps. It is part of GNU. Before that, have alook at this too:- https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/a2ps/+bug/153606 Basically, depending on the script you are using, unicode is not a script. :-) It is pretty tough handling indic scripts, if that is what you are looking for. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Converting Unicode to PS
Nandeep Mali said on Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:16:41AM +0530,: On a side note, am I the only one getting these annoying Boxbe alerts whenever I send a mail to the list? No; I too am getting them. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Funny how people infriging commercial software licences are called pirates, while huge companies infriging the GPL are called users ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Print formatted HTML
Rishab Arora said on Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 04:55:56PM +0530,: I've been looking for a way to print a formatted HTML page (with CSS support if possible) but haven't been able to find much. All I've managed to do is print the source code itself. Is it possible to create a script to print the page inclusive of the images, tables etc. The purpose is to create a formatted page including images using content from a database and print it So the easiest way I could think of was to put the content in a prepared HTML page and print it. Any other way out? Does not lpr work? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com With freedom comes responsibility. Do not use unauthorised copies of copyrighted material. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Open Standards policy finalized--major victory for the FOSS community
Venkatesh Hariharan said on Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:41:52PM +0530,: The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India. In the previous draft dated A big thanks to all those who made this happen. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Script to run at login but for non-root users only
Amit Sharma said on Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:44:10PM -0800,: For that if I make a entry in /etc/proile then it runs for root also. Files in the /etc/ directory are system wide configuration files. The solution is already mentioned, -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com That men do not learn much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach us. --Aldous Huxley ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Oracle kicks LibreOffice supporters out of OpenOffice
Linux Lingam said on Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 03:08:10AM +0530,: it's happening. oracle's kicking out LibreOffice supporters, http://www.mail-archive.com/d...@marketing.openoffice.org/msg11691.html I have switched over to LibreOffice.org for past 3 days. Mostly due to a minor bug, which affects indic rendering. (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591615archived=nombox=no ) -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Wipro Dot Matrix Drivers for Linux
Amit Sharma said on Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:40:46AM -0700,: I have Epson FX 2175, LQ 2180 and LQ 300 Dot Matrix Printers. I am not able to find exact drivers for the same and generic printer driver (text only printer) is able to do the work when I print it from command line but the application fails to print from it. Do yuou have a print spooleer like cups installed? If i print it using nearest driver of Epson then the print does come but not in desired font, pitch and runs all over the pre-printed stationery. you need foomatic-db and foomatic-filters packages. The nomenclature will vary slightly depending on the distro you are using. Those are the names on Debian. If I get the exact driver then I am sure my issue will be resolved. You will probably not need the exact names. I for example, have an Epson Esc P+ something pinter, and another wipro one. Both are 80 col, 24 Pin ones. I simply switch between them, without having to change anything in cups configuration. If you have cups installed, and you are a member of the lpadmin group (again, distro specific), go to this url using your browser:- http://localhost:631/ A user name and password would be required. Look around. Adnubustratuib orubters Manage printers is probably what you will require, because you already have installed something; but if cups was not there in the first place, you will need to go to the add new printer option. Post back here with more details of you have done and software you have, including distro and version of teh software / spooler you have installed if you need further help.. Tip - gutenprint is typically for laser / colour printers; you will not require those packages for running dot matrix printers. I am currently using Epson LX 1050 driver. If you notice, LX is the nomenclature used by Epson for their 9 pin printers. (IIRC, AFAIK) -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Dharna against Dreamspark
Anupam Jain said on Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 05:09:38AM +,: How is the brand of my cellphone relevant? If you are questioning my loyalty to free software, rest assured sir, I'm as much holding my breath for a mukt cellphone platform as anyone else on this mailing list. Brand ain't; but the software is. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Free Software - it is free as in FREEDOM ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Dharna against Dreamspark
Anupam Jain said on Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 04:08:09PM +,: Good! As this allow students to evaluate alternatives to free software in a non-piracy context.. I may be being naïve but if it's not being pushed down student's throats, a choice is a good thing.. -- Anupam Sent from my BlackBerry ^^ No offence meant, but, it is a good thing to practise what one preaches. Charity begins at home. And yes, the initiative is a good idea; too bad I am far off place. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com This signature is generated on a Debian GNU/Linux system by Signify v1.14. For more information visit http://www.debian.org/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Delhi Airtel Broadband- Firewalls for Torrents
Brahmaforces said on Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 09:09:25AM +0530,: I wanted to download some files via the torrent protocol. I find that the firewall in airtel broadband in Delhi may be blocking torrents because they become really slow. Has anyone been able to bypass this so as to get full speed torrent downloads? If so the recipie would be much appreciated. I am working in Ubuntu studio, because working with torrents in windows is probably dangerous due to virus threat. Thanks How about complaining the the appropriate authority? (eg - TRAI) Many FOSS based distros make available the ISOs available via torrent. If true, this firewalling is restricting your use of the services for which you have paid for. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] I am facing problem with my Graphics card
Rakesh Kumar said on Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 04:48:59AM +0530,: I have recently installed ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop but my my laptop does not seems to support graphics card. Video controller for my laptop: SiS Mirage3+ Graphics embedded in SiS M672 Chipset. Please search for this problem on ubuntuforums - http://ubuntuforums.org/ AFAICT, latest xorg does not require xorg.conf to be manually edited. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Gaming hardware - compatibility?
Shantanu Goel said on Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 11:59:37AM +0530,: Yes, I've used various logitech gamepads, my PS3 gamepad, my PS3 guitar hero guitar controller with Ubuntu without any issues. What is a guitar controller? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com free - (adj) able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; free from obligations or duties; not bound to servitude; at liberty. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Gaming hardware - compatibility?
Hi, All. Does anybody here use gaming hardware - like joysticks / steering wheels? Would there be any compatibility issues? In particular, my daugther and nephew, both 4 years old, have figured out for themselves how to open childsplay and gcompris and are fast getting bored with thom. So installed couple of racing games, and the kids are excited. How do I enhance the experience? Of course, better graphics card and larger monitor are on the radar, but what about the joysticks and wheels? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Command line Email Client
Vikas Rawal said on Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 03:47:32PM +0530,: If you run Debian you can choose between mutt and mutt-matched. mutt-patched. Thanks for pointing out - it was a typo. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Encryption: A powerful algorithmic encoding technique employed in the creation of computer manuals. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] SFLC coming to India.
Found this on groklaw. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/aug/28/software-freedom-law-center-announce-opening-branc/ -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com That men do not learn much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach us. --Aldous Huxley ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ilugd Digest, Vol 9, Issue 23
Aveek Sen said on Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:09:23AM +0500,: What would be applicable for using internet via gprs on pc suite based nokia phones? I've a nokia n72 have never found the way to do so yet. Depends on how you connect the phone to the PC. If you use a USB cable, it is likely that the phone is connected as /dev/ttyUSBX or similar. Use the dmesg command to find out immediately after connecting the phone. Next, you can use a normal dialler, like wvdial /kppp to establish the connection. You can also use a similar procedure bluetooth; but I am not clear on the specifics. Please remember that most phones have 3 options in their menu - to connect to a pc - as a USB memory device; as a modem; as something else (like the PC suite option on Nokia devices. For connecting using bluetooth, you first pair your phone with the PC, and then use the options in the PC to establish TCP/IP over bluetooth. gnokii makes this task easier; but configuring gnokii is a real pain. wammu / gammu is for backing up addressbooks and SMS messages. Backing up would be easy; but writing data to the phone is a pain - my Nokia 5130 XpressMusic is supported for reading most date, but writing is supported only for normal address books. Thus one name - multiple number type and group type addressess cannot be written, but can be backed up. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] calculator with a memory?
Raju Mathur said on Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:50:56PM +0530,: bc and dc don't meet your needs? Frankly, have not tried either. Figuring out commands and options is the last thing one wants while fingering through a sheaf of papers. Thanks to all of you who responded; and apologies for the late reply; had to extend what was supposed to be a one day trip. And I should admit that I rarely install the packagename-help or -doc packages. (of course, the man pages are). Mostly because I rarely read them. Usually can decipher things simply by staring at the screen, or experimenting with commands. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com A closed mouth gathers no feet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] any prog similar to nokia pc suite
vivek gupta said on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 02:21:18AM +0530,: but does any1 know out here if there is any nokia pc suite or any pc suite with support for nokia too, for linux, tried but cudnt find one gnokii and gammu/wammu for acessing addressbook and sms'es. gmobilemedia to access the files (themes, games, etc). -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com REVOLUTION, n. An abrupt change in the form of misgovernment. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Moderating first post?
Raju Mathur said on Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 08:22:55PM +0530,: On Monday 16 Aug 2010, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: Whatever happened to the moderate first pot policy, which I believe, was in place for this list? Never. I do have a vague recollection about complaints regarding invites from dormant subscribers. IIRC moderating first port was suggested as a measure to avoid mails rom such people who submit their entire address book to mass mailing sites. Not that I am bothered; I was just reminded of that exchange on reading couple of flamebaits posted in last few hours. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] calculator with a memory?
Hi!! Feeling silly to ask this question; but which calculator programme has a memory function like the normal calculator has? I am speaking of the M, M+ M- and MRC keys most normal handheld calculators have. Have tried gcalctool and qalculate!. neither seem have to have this seemingly silly feature. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com From The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906) [devil]: LAWYER, n. One skilled in circumvention of the law. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Moderating first post?
Whatever happened to the moderate first pot policy, which I believe, was in place for this list? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Software Patent Busting at CIS
vikas veshishth said on Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 02:52:25PM +0530,: I didnt understand.Why is it wrong to have software patents.Or are you saying that the concept of Patent itself is wrong ?? Thanks for asking. If you can, please attend this event:- http://www.fsf.org/events/20100902-dsp-guwahati http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/software-literary-patents.html Here are some links:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/jun/23/onlinesupplement.insideit http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/hague.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fighting-software-patents.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/guardian-article.html You can also visit the SWAPAT and EFF sites. (a search on your favourite search engihne would throw up the links). HTH. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Disable KMS
WARBUBG jeet7668 . said on Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 01:50:32PM +0530,: If you need to turn KMS *off* do the following depending on the hardware : # ATI Radeon: echo options radeon modeset=0 /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf # Intel: echo options i915 modeset=0 /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf # Nvidia (this should revert you to using -nv or -vesa): echo options nouveau modeset=0 /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf The commands should be:- echo foo bar A merewill overwrite; you needto append. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Distributing free copies of non-free software is -- -- like advertising drugs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [Ilugc] Re: Get Free of Cost SchoolOS DVD* (conditions apply)
Narendra Sisodiya said on Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 01:47:43PM +0530,: Well, SchoolOS is much better then edubuntu.. Download and try.. Actually, edubuntu scores more on license compliance front. SchoolOS gets 0 marks. Hope Ubuntu people do not thwack you for license violation. Hint:- I am listed on your page. I live in a remote island, which has no post, courier, speed post etc. COnnectivity is over a 18 Kilo bit per sec wireless. How will I comply with your requirement? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Man's most judicious trait, is a good sense of what not to believe. --Euripides ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Rupee font in open format
Aveek Sen said on Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 03:28:10PM +0500,: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Heres-how-to-download-new-rupee-symbol-for-free/articleshow/6182289.cms Then I read Gaurav Paliwal's article on how to use the �same on Linux:http://bit.ly/cnWYQO Please, please do not use these; the font uses a non-standard location / codepoint for the rupee sign. Most scripts in the world have moved (or are in the process of moving) to Unicode (UTF-X) or ISO TEC 10646 (they are same) standards for character encoding. They have started the process for encoding the rupee sign wihin 18 or 24 hours of the Indian government's decision . The rupee symbol in the above fonts are using a non-standard code point - I need not even look at the font; sorry, and I have no intention to. It is not just the font, the OS, particularly, the keyboard drivers, etc, too need to be modified to support the rupee symbol. And unless there is a standard codepoint for the symbol, using it will cause more harm than good. We have seen the problem in writing Indian lanuages - each vendor used their own encoding schema, and the result was utter chaos and non-portability of data. Please do not repeat it. There were similar problems wih the Euro sign, it seems. We have lived for several years without a sign for the rupee, we can live another 3 to 9 months without a rupee symbol on the computer. I searched wikipedia found ttf is a proprietary format. Lets create Which article please? a font using FreeType2 or other open format. We can use SVG to last time i looked at it, freetype was a library which renders ttf and other fonts. Since when did FreeType become a font /format/? (Please see http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html) P;ease do the homework before spreading such c...@p. Especially when relying on wikipedia. Apologies for using the strong word, but -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Rupee font in open format
Nagarjuna G. said on Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:35:52PM +0530,: this document contains the code points for the various currency symbols. unicode.org/charts/PDF/U20A0.pdf And does not contain a code point for the new rupee symbol. There is a codepoint for the Rs glyps, but that cannot be replaced with the new rupee symbol because:- 1. That has to be decomposed as R and s, in case the font does not ain the Rs glyph. 2. There are / may be locales which use the Rs rather than the new ee Symbol. Hence, the current discussions on the Unicode mailing lists, AFAI understand them, is that the new rupee symbol requires a new code point. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com L'homme est libre au moment qu'il veut l'etre. * Man is free at the instant he wants to be. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] e-filing IT returns?
Shakthi Kannan said on Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 09:41:10PM +0530,: Have you tried 'The IT Returns Migration' project? http://freedom-matters.in/ There seem to be differences and problems here. The It side has only one version of Saral II/ ITR-1 form; The odf is just ITR 1; but there is total difference in number of columns / cells, etc. Uner Income Deductions, the ods does not total deductions under Chapter VI A. The .xls file does the totalling as item 6, the .ods as 5. This sonws a Suggested Value: 354000 figure. Sigh!!! -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Buy Free Software -- It gives you freedom! ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] e-filing IT returns?
Shakthi Kannan said on Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:09:50AM +0530,: Since it is a F/OSS project you can write to the author (Terence Monteiro) giving your feedback, and requesting your changes. Ah, I finally figured out the reason - it is the form for last year - 2009-10; now, we need the form for Assessment year 2010-11. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Funny how people infriging commercial software licences are called pirates, while huge companies infriging the GPL are called users ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
