While I'm thinking about this (though I should leave it alone): who's
to say that PHP won't some day get inner classes? By deciding the
default inner member of a class will be a function, you're choosing
the one that has a global/procedural equivalent where the short syntax
won't work, instead of
Hi!
Also, I'm not sure I understand what 64-bit test is supposed to return
and why - why negative number is converted to positive one? What exactly
this change is supposed to improve?
The least significant bytes are preserved. Take int(-2056257536) and
int(2943463994971652096):
On 20.02.2013, at 1:42, Sanford Whiteman
swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com wrote:
Seems this would complicate the transplanting of (global) functions
into (default public) class methods and vice versa. This is a common
refactoring task -- at least IME -- and before I adjust
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:02:36 -, Sanford Whiteman
swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com wrote:
While I'm thinking about this (though I should leave it alone): who's
to say that PHP won't some day get inner classes? By deciding the
default inner member of a class will be a
Em 2013-02-20 8:09, Tjerk Anne Meesters escreveu:
Hi,
I've forked out an interesting project on Github that implements
XXHash and
extended it to work with the hash() function family. Project links
below.
The integration is pretty straightforward, but the following code had
me
concerned:
Hi!
Yes, this is an overhead, but it is small beer compared to doing a
getattr() RPC across the server room fabric to a NAS server backend.
That depends of what your error handlers do. Some may write to log
files, etc. if not configured properly (since error_reporting setting
doesn't have to
Hi Stas,
The idea of the fix is fine (I didn't check all the related changes in PHP
extensions).
I think it must be included into 5.5.
Thanks. Dmitry.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
I've created a pull to fix bug 49348 - when undefined
Protip: use an IDE.
The IDE that i'm using may search for something like function \w to find
all the functions of my code. So I may have to wait for a new update of the
IDE to be able to use the index, and I also may have to pay to get the
update of my IDE. So why would I want all this if I can
Hi!
The problem with the argument that everybody 'typehints' DateTime; we
should inherit from it so that the code will run when the pass it a
DateTimeImmutable is that it assumes that everybody who typehints
DateTime uses DateTime in a manner compatible with DateTimeImmutable. I
Hi!
The idea of the fix is fine (I didn't check all the related changes in
PHP extensions).
I think it must be included into 5.5.
Thanks for reviewing it! If I don't head any objections in next couple
of days, I'll merge it to 5.5.
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Hello,
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
As a person who deals with code reviews from many programmers
each day, I'd have to say this
Hi,
Am 20.02.2013 um 06:24 schrieb Laruence larue...@php.net:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
-1 on this as well. If you don’t like
Em 2013-02-20 9:41, Stas Malyshev escreveu:
There's nothing that everybody is
doing - there are tons of different usage patterns, some of them
common,
some incompatible. We need to look on what is more probable - that
people use DateTime as hint for operations that do not modify the
incoming
The problem with DateTimeImmutable extends DateTime is, that the client
code not just magically works with immutable date times, it also works
differently with regard to state, so this will be a source of subtle and
annoying bugs. See the following example:
Hi!
To accept a DateTimeImmutable is not the same as no recoverable
fatal error when a DateTimeImmutable is passed. You can't possibly know
whether passing a DateTimeImmutable is safe without reviewing the code
on all the call hierarchy starting from where your DateTimeImmutable is
On 02/19/2013 11:22 PM, Klaus Ufo wrote:
Hi there !
We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces
to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like :
- \arr
- \num
- \str
and so on. Advantages :
- no more global functions
- separation of concerns
- backward
Global functions remain its requirement for keyword, just methods
lose
I understand that. You didn't read my post carefully because I was
noting this exact inconsistency.
it. And it doesn't mean that you can't write
class Foo {
function bar() {}
}
No, it means you _have to_ write it that
Em 2013-02-20 9:15, Stas Malyshev escreveu:
Hi!
Also, I'm not sure I understand what 64-bit test is supposed to
return
and why - why negative number is converted to positive one? What
exactly
this change is supposed to improve?
The least significant bytes are preserved. Take
People are not using modify() in this way, because they have been bitten
before I would suppose.
What i find important about the DateTime vs DateTimeImmutable is the
expectations I have with regard to how they work with internal state.
If i have a typehint for DateTime, i clone the object before
Hello,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Klaus Ufo klaus...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi there !
We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces
to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like :
- \arr
- \num
- \str
and so on. Advantages :
- no more global functions
I
Classes always should be declared with class keyword, because there could
be ambiguity whether it's class, interface or trait.
If only inner classes are allowed in a given PHP version, there's no
ambiguity about whether something{} just inside a a class is an
inner class.
That's the
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:59:51 -, Sanford Whiteman
swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com wrote:
Classes always should be declared with class keyword, because there
could
be ambiguity whether it's class, interface or trait.
If only inner classes are allowed in a given PHP
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Levi Morrison wrote:
Have you considered how this will work/look in an array?
$a = [$b = ($n) $m = $m * $n]; // wat.
First off, it should be:
$a = [$b = ($n) |$m| = $m * $n];
The || make a big difference in this situation.
It still looks like some random
2013/2/20 Klaus Ufo klaus...@yahoo.fr
Hi there !
We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use
namespaces to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like :
- \arr
- \num
- \str
and so on. Advantages :
- no more global functions
Just to throw that in: Even if you pack
It still looks like some random characters bashed together by a monkey
with a keyboard.
+1, I am a fiend for ternary expressions and crazy one-liners, but
this makes me want to go back and unroll everything I've ever done
into readable code. :)
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Sandy,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Sanford Whiteman
swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com wrote:
Classes always should be declared with class keyword, because there could
be ambiguity whether it's class, interface or trait.
If only inner classes are allowed in a given PHP
Em 2013-02-20 10:32, Stas Malyshev escreveu:
This isn't really a good data since most of this code creates its own
DateTime and thus there's very little relevancy to what we're talking
about. If you look up the functions that actually accept DateTime:
So no you are not saying PHP is not Java or C#. I don't want to touch
any religious views but it's really funny to read :)
Not sure I get your remark... of those languages, I've said, in
essence [1] Don't *force* PHP to look less like Java, ECMAScript, C#,
or C++ without a good reason and a new
As for classes/interfaces/traits and so on, if they are ever added in PHP
to be declared inside classes and so on then I see no issues with this.
A class/interface or a trait keyword would still be needed to make the
difference between a them imho.
No, if you *only* allow inner classes at any
The key question for me is: does removing it hurt PHP in any way? And
for me,
the answer is a clear and resounding no.
This is completely the wrong question to ask (IMHO). I think the answer
is wrong too, but that's a different story.
The correct question is:
Does it bring substantial value
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Sherif Ramadan theanomaly...@gmail.com wrote:
While I think it's a good idea I just have one question about the
implication of the change. Does this mean that null will be passed to the
function argument when a trailing comma remains?
No. The trailing comma is
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Florin Razvan Patan
florinpa...@gmail.com wrote:
For example, I would expect that if I have:
function A($b, $c = 'd') {}
when I see A($b, ) to have no syntax errors but rather $c defaulted to
the value in the function signature, which is not implied nor
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
For the record, I've updated the RFC just now to include
function/method/closure declarations as well:
2013/2/19 Sara Golemon poll...@php.net
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
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-1
For array it's
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Martin Keckeis
martin.kecke...@gmail.com wrote:
-1
For array it's okay, but for functions? I think the code is harder to read
that way...
If I would see a call written this way:
phpinfo(,)
There are three possible values: Defaultvalue, null or something
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 03:26:26AM -0800, Sara Golemon wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
For the record, I've updated the
On 20/02/2013, at 10:47 PM, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 03:26:26AM -0800, Sara Golemon wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Nikita Nefedov inefe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:10:22 -, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com
wrote:
On 02/19/2013 03:07 PM, Nikita Nefedov wrote:
Are you grepping for all the functions or you are grepping just for some
specific
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
Imho this change isn't necessary (though I'm also not strongly against). I
don't really buy the VCS
On 20/02/13 08:26, Stas Malyshev wrote:
That depends of what your error handlers do. Some may write to log
files, etc. if not configured properly (since error_reporting setting
doesn't have to be considered in it). IIRC, for most of the cases O+
should be able to resolve all includes/requires
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Jason Gu jasonwy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Internals
I wondering if apc.slam_defence and apc.write_lock should be turned on
at the same time?
The default for APC v3.1.13 have both settings turned on.
But the documentation says apc.slam_defence is Deprecated
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Adi Mutu adi_mut...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello,
Can somebody explain me the purpose of zend_execute_internal?
Thanks,
A.
Hi,
From my really rough understanding that hook allows extensions to hook into
indirect (call_user_func(), array_map(), etc.) php
Ah right, I was thinking about other handles.
It seems that I may have found one possible cause, which may also
cause the hang because we do not see the EOF. We should close the
inherited handle after CreateProcess. And we should not always set
inherit to true (as you stated earlier) when
Looks like it is time to forward this email from 2006 again:
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:57:32 +0200
From: Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion
I'd like to raise a motion to 'Give the
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Paul Taulborg njag...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for the double message, still getting used to doing patches
instead of applying changes directly. I accidentally attached an old
patch file, not the latest. The previous had a bug in
php_date_initialize() which I
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Paul Taulborg njag...@gmail.com wrote:
So, I've been going through the internals of date() and related,
trying to isolate where some poor performance is, to try and find ways
to optimize it. In doing so, I came across this:
On line 863 of ext/date/php_date.c
I would also say it us time for us to get back in sync with the communities
needs. I am not talking about the last days RFCs but in general.
On Feb 20, 2013 7:19 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Looks like it is time to forward this email from 2006 again:
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2013/2/20 Sanford Whiteman swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com
It still looks like some random characters bashed together by a monkey
with a keyboard.
+1, I am a fiend for ternary expressions and crazy one-liners, but
this makes me want to go back and unroll everything I've
Hi,
If anyone tested ZendOptimizerPlus on FreeBSD, please let me know about
failures.
I have a report that may take me a long time to verify.
https://github.com/zend-dev/ZendOptimizerPlus/issues/32
Thanks. Dmitry.
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
Brendon, are your scripts doing a log of include_once / require_once calls?
Yep, but we also changed our autoload script (auto_prepend_file) to
use require instead of require_once, and we still saw the same
behavior
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer preinhei...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi All,
My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what
the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today:
I would
Hi Paul,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer preinhei...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what
the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today:
I
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Florin Razvan Patan florinpa...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Paul,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer preinhei...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi All,
My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
In many discussions over the past few months
On 02/20/2013 12:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer wrote:
Hi All,
My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what
the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today:
I would also say it us time for us to get
On 2013-02-19, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
echo date_create('@1361240634')-format('Y-m-d');
// output: 2013-02-19
echo date('Y-m-d',1361240634);
// output: 2013-02-18
timestamp dates are created with UTC TZ, date() assumes your configured TZ.
I ran into this myself
Hi All,
My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what
the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today:
I would also say it us time for us to get back in sync with the
communities needs. I am not
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Christopher Jones
christopher.jo...@oracle.com wrote:
On 02/20/2013 12:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer wrote:
Hi All,
My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about
what
the
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM, David Soria Parra d...@php.net wrote:
On 2013-02-19, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
echo date_create('@1361240634')-format('Y-m-d');
// output: 2013-02-19
echo date('Y-m-d',1361240634);
// output: 2013-02-18
timestamp dates are
As a general reply: I’d like to disagree, and here is why. Yes, we should not
let half baked features in but we need to add more and more features, also
syntax wise. For three reasons:
- Parity/expectations/me too: so you can do that in PHP as well
- Expressiveness: allow better ways to
Michael Shadle wrote:
I'm aware people complain about PHP flaws, but having misc global core
functions for strings, arrays and other data types is a new one.
I am still a purest at heart and don't see the need for namespacing in general.
I am thinking it provides some lower level memory space
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
Brendon,
Just to follow up with a bit more detail, apart from the obvious NFS tuning
with things like the actimeo mount parameters, you can get a better idea of
what is going on if you use a local copy of one of your
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Wim Godden wim.god...@cu.be wrote:
I agree that in most cases, that's a good thing. But it's also how we ended
up with a thing called the Y2k problem : stuff running forever.
Disclaimer : I've been developing with PHP since 1997, so I'm very fond of
the
On 20/02/13 23:52, Brendon Colby wrote:
Terry,
Thanks for your detailed input. This is essentially what I did in my test setup.
APC is definitely critical to the performance of our site. I'm just
very curious to see how much impact the high number of getattr
operations coming from the
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Gustavo Lopes glo...@nebm.ist.utl.ptwrote:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/**sendrecvmsghttps://wiki.php.net/rfc/sendrecvmsg
The module ext/sockets, a wrapper around the sockets API, does not include
support to recvmsg() and sendmsg(). This RFC addresses this
- 5.3: goto. A good thing we can do it. I'm not sure for what exactly but I
am sure there is somebody out there :)
An associate of mine used it in his HTTP message parser. He's sure
glad it's there :)
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Levi Morrison wrote:
- 5.3: goto. A good thing we can do it. I'm not sure for what exactly but I
am sure there is somebody out there :)
An associate of mine used it in his HTTP message parser. He's sure
glad it's there :)
Conversely, I have two HTTP message parsers that I maintain, and
Hello Again,
I wanted to bring back the topic I started on ArrayObject; I've been doing
a ton of work with ArrayObject lately and finding some odd behavior.
Firstly it would be great to know if these are by design or bugs.
Secondly there are some areas where it likely needs to be improved.
1:
Hi,
I found myself wanting a feature of array_filter() with which I can perform
filtering based on the array key instead of the value.
To scratch this itch, I decided to dive into C again and just add the
feature. My proposal is to add a third argument to array_filter() that will
send the array
Hi Chris,
On Feb 20, 2013 9:36 PM, Christopher Jones christopher.jo...@oracle.com
wrote:
My thesis is the other way round. More people in the community need
to become PHP core developers. This is historically how PHP
development has occurred, since nobody has idle time to adopt projects
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