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Does anyone have a more info on this ?
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- Original Message - From: Paul Cundell >
I would agree if we were the owners of the stadium or were borrowing the money
to buy the stadium.
Why would you go into debt to renovate someone else's property?
It's a commercial property so needs a different
mindset to that of thinking about
That is exactly what I always do.
Even so, what is the answer in this instance ?
- Original Message -
From: Dr Michael Benjamin
Don't use normal rationale. Adopt MS mindset and you'll arrive at the answer.
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It might make sense to borrow at low interest rates but would you care to
speculate as to the security offered to the lender in order to underwrite the
£5 million facility ? Low (normal) rates are only available from normal lenders
under normal lending procedures which would involve security and
5 points short ?
I haven't checked tonight but are you including an extra point needed to
overcome the goal difference ?
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http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/come-on-leeds-united-it-s-good-to-talk-1-4404613
By Gary Walker
Published on Friday 30 March 2012 14:46
Why should, I was asked this week, Leeds United owner Ken Bates get involved
in any dialogue with the Leeds United S
http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Leeds-United-fans-group-LUST-banned-for-disagreeing-with-Bates.php?id=
Fan ban for disagreeing with Bates
30th March 2012
The hierarchy at Leeds United has refused to lift its membership ban on
Leeds United Supporters' Trust's (LUST) chair and board members despite the
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/mar/22/forgotten-story-abraham-klein-referee
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- Original Message - we were in the pub garden near Wembley, though I
have no idea of the name of the place,
Surely you were in The Green Man just up the hill. What a day.
I have always thought that this was the biggest Leeds attendance of all time.
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PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Didn't he score the goal against Arsenal that won the League Cup for Swindon
(of the 3rd division) at Wembley ?
- Original Message -
The very same. Played 400 games for Swindon first, and is regarded as their
best ever player.
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From the FSF website-
An MP has today tabled a bill in Parliament calling for total transparency
on club ownership and an end to the “football creditors rule”. The Football
(Financial Transparency) Bill has been introduced by Damian Collins MP who
sits on the influential Culture, Media and Spo
- Original Message - Maybe something for LUST to work on since they now
have lost against Bates ;)
What a strange conclusion to come to.
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FA raises white flag in 20-year fight for the soul of football
The Premier League has emerged victorious after the governing body signed
away much of its authority with barely a whimper
Afte
That's quite a good summary of the 16 pages
- Original Message -
I presume that it's "Yeah whatever bovvered"
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For those who may be interested the response by Football to the Sports Minister
is to be made public at 1pm today.
(16 pages)
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- Original Message - It just strikes me that LUST are like Hal Ashland
in the story, kidding
themselves they are involved with the club but the club are like the the
prossie, they couldn't give a about any fan. They only want us to keep
going back and spending our money.
The only s
- Original Message -
OK, that's a fair point, Leeds United will never be Ken Bates and vice versa
and that is the only thought that keeps me going, BUT commercially he can do
what he wants.
I see where you are coming from but actually he can't. Even in a close-monoply
situation the mono
wrote:
He owns a company which owns the football league share, he will never own
the club. The club belongs to us.
http://footballmanagement.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/club-club-or-club-a-3cs-model/
Club', 'club' or 'club'??? A 3Cs model
by John Beech
The evidence submitted by the Premier Leag
L.U.S.T: An open letter to Neil Warnock
Dear Neil,
On behalf of more than 4,500 members and shareholders of Leeds United
Supporters’ Trust, we would like to welcome you to our club. Leeds United
and Neil Warnock have a long history as rivals, but we are delighted to see
you have finally come
Have a look here -
http://www.seat61.com/
> Anyone know anything about taking a train from Beijing to London?
Everything always looks great when advertised. The idea seems exotic and
something that I'd love to do.
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I was talking about the financial aspects, not on the field genius, but I think
you know that.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Humphries
Where were we in the league when we were put into admin
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L.U.S.T Statement on Leeds United investment
Monday, February 6, 2012 at 4:40PM
Last week on Yorkshire Radio, Ken Bates invited the Leeds United Supporters'
Trust to, "put their money where their mouth
Meeting this Thursday 9th February and 'Campaign for change' march Saturday
11th February
We would like to remind all supporters of two significant events coming up
this week.
First of all we have a meeting this Thursday evening at the Magic Sponge,
7.30pm as both a follow up to the last mee
Siobhain McDonagh MP backs "historic opportunity for change in football"
At 6pm this Thursday (today), AFC Wimbledon supporter Siobhain McDonagh MP
will have a 30 minute Parliamentary debate in the House of Commons on:
"Government policy on football governance and the case of AFC Wimbledon".
The
FA in turmoil over reform demands
By Charles Sale
The increasing disquiet in football about the response to Government
recommendations for root-and-branch reform came to a head at the last FA
council meeting.
There were complaints led by fans' chief Malcolm Clarke that supporters,
players, m
- Original Message - . I really think the government needs to legislate
on who owns football clubs and in what terms. The game is too important, and is
being killed.
I agree and I assure you that plenty more effort will be applied in the highest
possible places to get something into a c
- Original Message - Bates also revealed that a tribunal to decide on
the fate of Andy O’Brien has been set for February 27.
I'm very worried about what might come out here. I don't KNOW anything but this
has all the vibrations of a monumental mess and PR disaster.
_
PRESS RELEASE: Supporters Trust campaign for regime change at the club
Friday, January 20, 2012 at 4:25PM
The Leeds United Supporters Trust today calls for the Chairman and board of
Leeds United to actively look to sell the club to owners whose ambitions and
resources more appropriately reflect
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds_united_howson_sale_reeks_of_lack_of_ambition_1_4160695
By Gary Walker
Published on Thursday 19 January 2012 15:22
So it's official - Leeds United are now, first and foremost, a selling club.
The decision to accept a
Brother and I on trip back from Zurich woke up literally as train was pulling
into Oostende for the ferry. Slept the whole way. How we laughed.
I'll see your Oostende and raise you the north coast of Japan.
Can't even tell you where without getting a good Atlas out.
Turned out OK because the nigh
Original Message - Got to Victoria just in time for last tube
Victoria Line to Finsbury Park. Fell asleep and awoke at Walthamstow, the
terminus. No tube back so walked from Walthamstow to to Stround Green taking a
short cut across Finsbury Park even though it was locked and closed.
I
>And my take would be M1 to Willesden Junction and take the London Overground
>direct to Norwood Junction.
Unless something has changed, that branch of London Overground stops at Clapham
Junction. You can go direct from Clapham Jct to Selhurst though, on Southern
-IF you can negotiate Clapham J
http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/01/kens-tight-ship-sadly-sailing-towards-iceberg/
So it's January again, and as in July the Ken Bates pre-packed clichés are
already flowing. We won't `break the bank' in the transfer market, or risk the
clubs financial stability now we can spend some money
There is a Book of Condolence open and all are invited to sign. It is available
at all times that the The Old Peacock pub is open.
(The pub will be open from 10 am on Saturday BTW)
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UEFA and Supporters Direct Europe are rolling out their programme for clubs
to have a Supporter Liaison Officer (SLO).
(If you would like to read the SLO handbook just email the Leeds Supporters
Trust and you will be sent an electronic copy). lufctr...@ntlworld.com
Here is the introductio
Kick It Out's One Game, One Community campaign this year ran from 13th October
to 31st October 2011. Throughout the weeks of action clubs and individuals
across the country held activities, events and tournaments to spread the
message of inclusion to fans of football. Kick It Out are very keen t
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Got to agree with Mick Robinson on this.
I can still remember John Shaw at Elland Road against Lierse.
Shit happens.
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- Original Message - Probably doesn't want his 'keeper's confidence
shattered by playing behind
our shite defence, and the inevitable crowd on his back.
Some people in football were less than impressed by our treatment of Kasper (or
how we let it appear at any rate).
Maybe this has an e
THE SQUARE BALL BLOG
REVEALED: THE £10M THAT COULD HAVE SAVED LEEDS FROM ADMINISTRATION
The circumstances surrounding Leeds United's period in administration continue
to raise questions four years later. Attention on Ken Bates' claim not to know
the identities of the ultimate owners of Leeds
http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2011/10/the-feeling-of-the-five-thousand/
Things aren't all white at Leeds United. Figures suggest that the Yorkshire
club's fans are deserting a club renowned for its loyal support at an alarming
and unsustainable rate.
Last season, Leeds United had the highest
There is nothing illegal about owning a property and having a business which is
a separate Limited Company paying rent on it. In fact it is a common form of
pension planning. What the fans might think about the ethics of doing this with
our football club is a different matter entirely.
As for t
Euro court rules against Premier League in TV dispute
4th October 2011
The European Court of Justice (ECJ) has ruled against the Premier League in
a crucial TV dispute. The ECJ's decision means that the Premier League can
no longer sell top-flight football's TV packages at different rates in
di
- Original Message -
sure I understand the knee-jerk anti-bates comments, but they have actually
apologised and explained their decision with you may disagree having read
their reasons or logic, that's your entitlement.
Treating every decision as an attempt by the club to per
- Original Message - Dear Fan, F••• Off. I don't care. Best wishes
Ken & Shaun
or to put it another way (from the official site) -
The Centenary Pavilion will not be available for use by Members before the
Manchester United game. Peter Lorimer made the official announcement on
Saturda
The following message has been sent to the club from the Leeds United
Supporters Trust:
Subject: Centenary Pavilion for game on Tuesday night.
Dear Mr Bates and Mr Harvey
The announcement by Peter Lorimer and on the official website that the
Centenary Pavilion is to be made available to corporat
The Leeds United Supporters' Trust is absolutely delighted to announce that
Nigel Martyn has agreed to become its honorary president.
The popular Cornishman, simply 'Big Nige' to Leeds fans, established himself
as an enduring favourite in the course of the 207 games he played for Leeds
between
- Original Message - If every player has a price then what is the
Stoats price? If every thing is
itemised and priced how much does the bastard want to get out and leave us?
£80 Million
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Don't have a feed but it is on BBC Radio Sheffield if you can find it online.
0-1 BTW
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MARC
- Original Message - From: Mark Humphries Ah, but what if the price
was 0.2461% of the amounts he was thinking about
and a lack of new leadership was blocking the club making progress?
Yeh. Of course. Makes perfect sense.
I'd agree that the lack of new leadership is blocking progress.
_
What if the price is double the amounts you are thinking about and what if that
personal greed is blocking the chance of the club making progress under new
leadership ?
- Original Message - Sounds good to me as long as he sells to someone
decent.
> sell the club you bought for £10M
- Original Message - Unless people are clairvoyants then they cannot
possibly say that he didn't save us.
Fine, but let's see what we DO know without cairvoyance and with absolute
clarity.
If we are careful not to BLAME Ken Bates for anything here, was can focus on
what we were NOT "s
What you are not saying - very pointedly, is WHAT Bates saved us from (or not).
Without that, of course we can't be sure if he did or he didn't. If you define
it, then we probably could know one way or the other- without clairvoyance.
You could easily make a list of all the things that we do k
There isn't much point in my responding to convoluted nonsense so I'll leave
your contrived points there and the creditors didn't have any say in the
matter. They didn't get a choice in the final sale.
As I understand it you are saying that an asset stripper could have bought the
club, kept it
The saviour issue is relevant as it was in last nights match programme.
Morris was interested and was bidding. By the final "sale" of the club by KPMG
- which was the second lot of sale bids, Redbus (who were fine on their own)
had been forced into a joint bid with Morris in order to reduce (sh
- Original Message - The players? The rights to buy Thorp arch and/or
the ground? I am just repeating what I seem to remember from the time. You are
up with these things - so how many offers to get us out of admin were there? 6
including Bates? I seem to remember maybe 1 other, which
Original Message - Anyone remember Sebastian Sainsbury. He was going to
buy us
It was Sainsbury who was looking for financial backers to buy us. It was
Sainsbury that introduced us to Bates.
So, Sainsbury DID find somebody to buy us but that somebody cut him out of the
deal.
If the origina
- Original Message -
expected of just being asset strippers.
What assets do you think they would have been able to strip ?
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To: Supporters Direct General list
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:55 PM
Subject: [SD] FINANCIAL FAIR PLAY SURVEY
If you have 'twelve' minutes to spare please consider completing
the survey mentioned below.
Cheers, Neil
Some of you may already have heard of UEFA
http://lufctrust.squarespace.com/
Leeds United Supporters Trust is delighted to be able to offer all Leeds
fans (aged 16 or over), FREE membership of the Trust for the duration of the
new season. We feel it is vital for Leeds United fans to have an independent
voice and the Leeds United Suppor
Emirates Stadium to Elland Road Charity run
ends tomorrow on the pitch at Elland Road
before the Bradford City game.
FINAL APPEAL FOR DONATIONS www.justgiving.com/londontoleedsrun
as Steve says - Please, please give as much as you can (even if it's only a
quid!) - it will really help.
Only a
If you want a printed copy of TSB it will be £1.50 next year. Bargain though !
- Original Message - From now on Its square ball for me at £1.00
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Fifa has banned Mohamed bin Hammam from football for life after finding him
guilty of bribing presidential election voters.
The ban comes following a two-day hearing into corruption allegations ended
with a guilty verdict from Fifa's
- Original Message -
He suggested I spend all my money on fancy seats and stuff.
Instead of having a better engine
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I had a BX 16valve in black with red trim, similar to the Gti but with better
body trim and much more ooom. Great car.
On booze runs to the French hypermarkets it would fit 100 bottles of wine in
the footwell of the rear seats (before you folded the seats down and filled it
with beer and m
http://www.leedsunited.com/news/20110531/support-our-marathon-man_2247585_2369352
29 July Emirates Stadium to Vicarage Road
30 July Vicarage Road to Kenilworth Road
31 July Kenilworth Road to Stadium MK
1 Aug Stadium MK to Sixfields
3 Aug Daventry to Ricoh Arena
4 Aug Ricoh Arena to Walkers Stadi
We didn't fail to "comply" with a CVA.
What we didn't do was obtain a CVA at all.
The CVA vote was won marginally but HMRC then challenged the validity of the
voting and possibly one or two other items. Rather than try to win that
challenge from HMRC, the CVA was scrapped altogether.
The club
No. We paid HMRC the same pence in the pound deal as all the other non-football
creditors.
- Original Message -
From: Errand Fivefold Quick question, did we pay HMRC the £6 Mil we owed them
before we went into Administration?
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Should be coming up on there soon
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There always was strong rivalry with them being the glamour boys - even when
they were crap - but not the current lunatic hatred. Say 65-75 it was a notable
fixture, but for the rest of the season we pretty much ignored them from what I
remember.
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So let me get this right.
He should live in the flat in London himself and therefore not receive any rent.
He should pay the mortgage on that flat himself because he isn't receiving any
rent.
Would you make such a lunatic financial arrangement ?
What they say about KB isn't based on drivel.
---
>...and whether opening the whole can of worms would do us, the club much
>good or even worse? (no disprespect meant Rick, I appreciate your
sentiment and motive and would like to be behind you)
i wonder.
I wonder as well but we don't have a choice, do we ?
I'm not opening an adjournment deba
Since 2007 when Ken Bates became Chairman of our club following administration
and under new owners (an offshore trust named Forward Sports Fund) supporters
have had questions they feel they have never had answers to: Who are the
beneficial owners of the club? Who owns the ground? Why didn't we
It's worth taking it out for the first event of death or diagnosis of critical
illness. If you find out that you haven't long to go its better to spend the
money on your family while you are still alive to do it. Also consider
including you wife on the cover so that you can afford to look after
>I've read it too and reviewed it on the list. Thought it was awful.
It focuses on three things, the Jewish community in Leeds, Leeds the city
itself and Leeds United. If you have an interest in two or three of those, then
it's maybe for you. If you only have an interest in one(as I have), then
The paperback was going to be issued in September (I assume for the Christmas
market) and the fans were going to organise a booksigning.
The booksigning will still happen but the paperback has been brought forward
because of the two awards.
I think the alteration to the title is because there ha
http://www.britishsportsbookawards.co.uk/news/19/265/Promised-Land-voted-Sports-Book-of-the-Year
Jun 13, 2011
Promised Land voted Sports Book of the Year
Promised Land by Anthony Clavane has been voted Sports Book of the Year.
Promised Land: The Reinvention of Leeds United, the city and its fan
The board of directors of Supporters Direct (SD) meeting in emergency session
yesterday, Saturday 11th June, expressed confidence in its past and continuing
role in promoting the supporter trust movement - a model of football ownership
that allows fans to re-engage with their local clubs, and be
FacebookMay be of interest to some
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Smith always could kick some life into the proceedings.
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Good on yer Michael and Paul
Rick Duniec
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Anthony Clavane, 50, published his biographical account of following Leeds
United as he was growing up in September.
It has now won the title of best
If you are within striking distance of Copenhagen then we would like to see you
at the Football Supporters Europe congress taking place in Brondby.
It was great to see last year in Barcelona how many fans from right across
Europe wanted to touch base with Leeds.
http://www.fanseurope.org/
Just
- Original Message - This begs the question as to why Ken has chosen
right now, this week, to make clear the ownership of LUFC.
Why else would Ken rock a boat that did not need to be rocked?
http://lufctrust.squarespace.com/
This explains the various aspects of the situation and also
I think that Ken deserves the Sherlock Holmes award for managing to track down
the owners (he didn't know who they were you know) so that he could pay them
for the club.
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What has this to do with Royalty?
I hope the Queens cousin will be there so that we can ramble on and on and on
and on about fuck knows what!
Michael
I think his Lordship may be a little too frail to attend these days but he did
take a very keen interest in what the fans were up to during the la
FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS' FEDERATION (YORKSHIRE DIVISION)
ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
The ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING (AGM) of the Yorkshire Division of the Football
Supporters' Federation will take place on Sunday 8th May from 1.00pm at the
Peacock Public House Elland Road Leeds (just across from Leeds United's
From: Football Supporters Europe
Save Fan Culture!
FSE Stadium Action Days
29 April – 16 May 2011
Excessive and disproportionate use of force, unjust arrests, banned flags or
banners for no transparent reason, arbitrary stadium ban procedures and
worst of all, punishment of entire sets of fans
Campaign to make Lucas Radebe a Freeman of the City of Leeds.
Here is what those behind this campaign have to say about it.-
Like many Leeds United supporters, we've often been frustrated by the lack
of recognition given to our heroes. Don Revie and John Charles both richly
deserved knighthoods,
http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/safestanding.php
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Dear Colleague,
The next FSF Yorkshire Divisional AGM is to take place on Sunday 08th May 2011
at The Old Peacock Pub, 255 Elland Road, Leeds, LS11 8TU.
For more information please visit our website
http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/FSF-Yorkshire-Division-meeting-Sunday-8th-May.php?id=
We
Dear all,
I'm writing to you in order to clarify a number of changes to the Laws of The
Game, which have been discussed as a result of the massive failings in letting
Bolton Wanderers and Stoke City into a Wembley FA Cup Semi Final.
The oversights that let this happen need to be eradicated, so a
Salonika ?
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>Question.. What's worse? Fizzling out now and finishing 8th /9th or losing at
>Wembley
Fizzling out now will mean that it will become one of those seasons that you
have to try hard to remember. It will fade away.
Losing at Wembley will hurt like hell but it will be a major memory in your
pers
TAXI business Arrow has secured its third major airport concession in as many
years after winning a five year contract to be the exclusive private hire
operator at Manchester Airport.
Leeds-based Arrow is investing £700,000 in a new fleet of vehicles which will
operate from pick-up points from t
>Mind you he had no chance. His granddad fled the czar, went back to be with
>Kerenski as he was a Menshovik and was flung out again by the Bolsheviks.
This is getting beyond the pale. :-)
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One day, Nan breads will find their way as far north as Invergordon.
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- Original Message -
Which comes back to the question of "when does a player who is in an offside
position, but not deemed to be offside (because he isn't interfering with
play), get to be active again"? Just out of interest mind, as I haven't
seen that defined anywhere.
There were
301 - 400 of 486 matches
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