What do you mean artificial ceiling? Any wage structure has by definition an
artificial ceiling?
Plus, it figures that the top wage in the wage structure is reserved for the
very best players, in terms of age/experience/value to the squad. Therefore,
even within a wage structure BJ is not
What were Kilkenny's wage (and other contractual) demands?
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Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.
- SI
Who were the top 3?
I mean we can properly afford more, which is why we are losing players. We are
underinvesting in the team.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 09:17, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
What do you mean artificial ceiling? Any wage structure has by definition
an
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 20:31, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
I can understand BJ holding out, if he is off to Norwich he will be getting
more.. but Kilkenny? How much more is he going to get at another
championship club?
A large signing on fee in
Hope for Ritch's sake it wasn't Becchio.
My money pn Somma.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:51, Sean Emmott s...@canofworms.me.uk wrote:
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or
Doesn't that work with Smith ?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:31, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 20:31, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
I can understand
Scum boy is not a free agent.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 10:38, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com wrote:
Doesn't that work with Smith ?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:31, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com
Maybe because a lot of fans like Killkenny, so he is making the right noises
about keeping him so he doesn't get any stick, then offering less than the
going rate knowing it won't be accepted.
You have to wonder if Grayson rates Killkenny after the way he has treated
him over the last couple of
Who is Scum Boy?
Alan Smith?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:49, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
Scum boy is not a free agent.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 10:38, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com
Like Alan Smith.
( Just to wind up Ian Murray. :-))
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 13:50, Simon Hart simon.h...@york.ac.uk wrote:
Maybe because a lot of fans like Killkenny, so he is making the right noises
about keeping him so he doesn't
On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.
- SI
Who were the top 3?
1
You know the answer Mikey.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:37, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com wrote:
Who is Scum Boy?
Alan Smith?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:49, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
Becchio only had 59 shots all season?!
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:53, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote:
On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise
No I'm not, you said paying all the first team squad 11k a week equated
to 7 mill a year or 25% of turnover. I was saying we could pay that over
the full squad. Like I say, deloitte say that 60% ratio is sustainable in
football. It gives us a lot of wriggle room to invest in the squad
Odds on Grayson going to villa slashed from 50/1 to 5/2!
Paul
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When did I say pay the entire first team squad 11k a week?? I didn't. All I AM
saying is there is room for investing more in the squad. We are underinvesting
relative to turnover - hence we are consistently losing good players.
If the club (Bates) has nothing to hide financially, why the
In our case anyway (and frankly I couldn't give a fck about Coventry)
Bates is more interested in investing our cash in White elephant loss making
sidelines than the football side of the business. I fundamentally disagree
with this approach.
Why do you assume adding more corporate
A startling stat.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 14:21, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
Becchio only had 59 shots all season?!
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:53, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote:
On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:
On
Although not unexpected.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 18:39, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
A startling stat.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 14:21, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
Becchio only had 59 shots all season?!
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The man has awoken from his slumber.
Good to see your still on form
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:39, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
A startling stat.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 14:21, Ian Murray
Ian M wrote:
I mean we can properly afford more, which is why we are losing players. We
are underinvesting in the team.
My problem with this is, what do you think we can afford?
How much would you have paid BJ and do you know how much he wanted?
What if a player like BJ has an overinflated
I'm not going through it all again Paul. Read what Mark said about what we
currently spend on wages and the ratio of that to our current turnover. Look at
what deloitte say is sustainable in football, and what the regulations are
going to be. The answer is 'lots more than we are currently
I'm not going through it all again Paul. Read what Mark said about what we
currently spend on wages and the ratio of that to our current turnover. Look
at what deloitte say is sustainable in football, and what the regulations
are going to be. The answer is 'lots more than we are currently
I'm enjoying reading the Smith debate. Totally agree with Ian. You can argue
all day about the history of players that have moved between the clubs etc etc
but it astounds me that some people can't understand hatred between teams and
fans and think that it's acceptable for a Leeds lad to claim
From the officious site:-
United pre-season plans take shape...
Leeds United can confirm that the club will head north of the border during
pre-season.
Simon Grayson's squad will have a week-long training camp in Scotland, and
play two matches against local opposition.
The first game will be
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:02, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
I'm not going through it all again Paul. Read what Mark said about what we
currently spend on wages and the ratio of that to our current turnover. Look
at what deloitte say is sustainable in football, and
Rich
I understand and, to some extent, agree BUT do you mean that everyone who
ever played for ManU is scum?
You see I hate the club, its fans, its manager and its current players but
ex-players, I hate some and not others.
Is Casper's dad still scum?
Is Alex's dad still scum?
Is Phil Neville
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:46, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
Rich
I understand and, to some extent, agree BUT do you mean that everyone who
ever played for ManU is scum?
You see I hate the club, its fans, its manager and its current players but
ex-players, I hate
I can't get my head round these stats.Snoddy had only 4 fewer shots than
Becchio and had a larger percentage on target ,which brings them almost level
for shots on target and yet Becchio got 19 goals compared to Snoddys 6Does this
mean that Snoddys shots were mainly saved (shooting from too
I think that's right Dave. What struck me is Mad bloody Max. Does this show;
(a) he's our best player
(b) he's our greediest player
(c) both (a) and (b).
It's C, isn't it?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:59, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
I can't get my head
1. How much was BJ worth in your opinion?
I have no idea
You have no opinion? But you have an opinion on everything Ian. :-)
We clearly can't compete with Norwich, so that's a dead and pointless
argument.
You've been arguing we can for the last 3 days!
I am saying that we should
I'm just talking about Alan Smith, our hero, our lad. I was atAnfield when he
scored his first goal. DOL came onto the Anfield pitch on his knees in his suit
and we we mental in the stands-a real proud moment. He was one of us, talked
about our rivals in a derisory way which we loved -he fitted
Don't usually agree with you Rich, but on this (including the beers wine) I
do. Ferdinand (a better player) going to scum not as bad as Smith going. I
think Ferguson gets it a lot better than a lot of fans, and enjoys the rivalry
as much as we do.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 21:10, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
1. How much was BJ worth in your opinion?
I have no idea
You have no opinion? But you have an opinion on everything Ian. :-)
Is that a bad thing Paul?
We clearly can't compete with Norwich, so
Finally we have sense in this. You do realise this makes you a knuckledragger
Sean? It's folk like you who give true Leeds fans like P a bad name! :-)
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 22:02, Sean Emmott s...@canofworms.me.uk wrote:
Don't usually agree with you Rich, but on this
the Alan smith that cried when we dropped own one league? so those were fake
tears?!
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On 11/06/2011, at 21:42, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'm just talking about Alan Smith, our hero, our lad. I was atAnfield when he
I'm not bloody surprised he cried - he was probably the only one in the
squad who had a wage cut clause in the event of relegation...
Damian ;)
PS I personally would welcome him back as I would most old/ ex Leeds
players. Most but not all: Joe Jordan for example but not Gordon McQueen
(what
1. How much was BJ worth in your opinion?
I have no idea
You have no opinion? But you have an opinion on everything Ian. :-)
Is that a bad thing Paul?
No Ian, having an opinion is a good thing but if you have an opinion on
everything why can you not grace us with your valued opinion
Pretty much. 2/3 of Snoddy's shots were from outside the box. Half of
those were on target. 3 went in. Becchio only tried 9 times from
outside, and missed all but one. Johnson had 32 shots from outside the
box, of which a quarter were on target. Meanwhile, Mad Max tried 45
times and got 1/2 on
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