> Here's a python free example of how cool leo is, unfortunately only really
> makes sense if you do a lot of interactive SQL, although of course there are
> similar CLI based workflows. Anyway, I've combined leo buttons with leo
> stickynotes and the leoscreen plugin I wrote for bodytext / she
> Absence of
> documentation, or old/poor
> documentation is a hassle.
Yes.
And is perhaps the most consistent and most often true critique of
open source projects of all stripes and generations (and a good many
proprietary systems too). In short, documentation is hard, good docs
doubly so. It's
> 1. I can't/wont' improve documentation in general. I have to know
> what it is you want to know. Why not just ask? I typically answer
> question in a timely fashion, and my answers could form the basis of
> documentation that targets just your concerns.
yes, this is very true. Thank you (and
> Simply put, there are too many websites. Too many places to look for
> documentation, a.k.a help. Too many places to find out what's
> happening and where Leo might, or might not, be going. Prune them all
> except one I say. Or burn the field and plant a new one.
All of the existing services Leo
> The growing trend to make screencasts of things which are more easily
> explained in text drives me nuts.
/matt nods enthusiasticly. At the very least provide transcripts (or
use Youtube and leverage their automatic transcript feature).
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> I've been following the recent threads about documentation and other
> newbie issues with great interest. The suggestions are sometimes
> contradictory. In this kind of discussion fluidity and contradictions
> are *good* things :-)
comfort
[Edward]
> Yes, it would be possible, but this is the first I have heard of
> markdown, and rST seems more than adequate for what we do here. So
> it's not going to happen from me. What you do is your own affair :-)
FYI: Markdown "allows you to write using an easy-to-read,
easy-to-write plain te
This is a great improvement. Thanks Tom and Edward!
> We can test this point of view now. Chapter 4, newly-renamed to be
> "Leo's Reference", is now up on Leo's web site at:
thank you
> for the Tutorial, Glossary and Reference. Using the index is now the
> easiest way to find what you want now
>> Except that from http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/directives.html
>> there is no link to the index!
>
> There is for me. It's at the top-right corner.
oh, so it is. a little too unobtrusive perhaps
or maybe I'm the one being obtuse. :)
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Thank you Ville. I finally get what they're for. This could be a mini
tutorial in the docs.
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Norbert
> wrote:
>
>> I have a question concerning chapters : What is their purpose ? Can
>> someone giv
> I don't mind thinking of Leo in that way, but I'm not going to package
> Python with Leo.
For anybody who does decide to pick up the challenge of improving the
installer:
It is perfectly reasonable for a new user to get the message "Sorry,
python not found, go get it from ..." and to stop insta
taa, thanks for sharing your experiences and thought processes. Many
of them mirror my own.
> I believe my question was specific and clear, but if it was not, then
> I obviously do not know what/how to ask in a way to get an answer.
> I've seen threads in this forum that end with, "if not, please
>> Having these menus populated with options which don't matter and aren't
>> used doesn't give me a good first impression.
>
> Leo's File menu is quite ordinary, imo. Leo manipulates data: Import
> and Export menus are reasonable. I'm not going to eliminate the
> Read/Write menu because it clutt
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:37 PM, taa, Leo Newbie wrote:
>> I encourage you to start using the bzr trunk instead of the stable
>> version.
>
> Attempting to install Bazaar
Please don't start here, or you will lose hair. It is much easier to
grab a daily snapshot from http://www.greygreen.org/leo/
> Are there any Bazaar Explorer 2.1 users out there who could help a
> poor Leo newbie get the latest development version before he pulls out
> his last hairs, and while he still only just =contemplates= drinking
> hard liquor? :DDD
I'm only a few hours ahead of you on the Learning Bazaar Explorer
> The question is, is there a real advantage to creating the slideshow
> pages automatically? Perhaps it would be just as easy to use
> Screenbook Maker?
I venture that if Joe Orr had been able to use Leo to create this
particular screenbook it would not be so far out of date. Someone else
would
It occurs to me this might dovetail, a little bit, with the recent
requests to support S5 output
(http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/s5-intro.html)
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>> I venture that if Joe Orr had been able to use Leo to create this
>> particular screenbook it would not be so far out of date. Someone else
>> would have regenerated it to match Leo's development pace (assuming
>> the source was shared).
>
> That's the dream. However, full automation looks infe
> Is it possible to devise a .css so that a element
> creates both a toc entry and the body of a slide?
I found a page about Instiki S5 which supports dual displays, slides
on one screen and presenter notes on the other. Can't test it from
here though, I'm on a laptop.
http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/
> When I checked out the screenbooks, I didn't necessarily
> use it as a learning tool. In was marketing for me - it showed me that
> Leo is cool.
Yes, me too. Though I may have used it for learning if it were up to date.
> I would have got exactly the same thought if someone had
> made a screenc
I'm attempting to refactor several python files with numerous of
copy-n-paste duplicated functions into a module. Is there some way Leo
can search through node trees of "@file foo.py" and "@file bar.py" and
make the duplicated functions clones of each other?
thanks,
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> I suspect Matt just wanted the clones as a way of visualizing the duplicate
> functions that have already been created by copy-n-paste (by someone else, no
> doubt :-).
yes and yes, thanks for clarifying.
(though I certainly have a significant collection of my own copy+paste
snippets, before I
> It should also support dropping files from file manager (perhaps creating
> @path / @edit / @auto nodes?)
https://bugs.launchpad.net/leo-editor/+bug/568646
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just wanted to say that DnD from windows explorer to Leo is working
just fine for me, and that I am right now a very happy camper. Thank
you!
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>> but now that you bring this on Windows I have
>> remembered PortableApps at www.portableapps.com I have tested with people
...
> This could be very good. Thanks for this link.
A PortableApps version of Leo would be very cool and emminently
usable, but it's not likely to be an easy path. They do
> (*) which makes you wonder how they distribute their extensions with the
> Windows version of Inkscape. I suspect they distribute python with inkscape
> in a subdirectory of the inkscape directory... :-)
Appears to be so, my windows PortableInkscape 0.48 folder has a python
sub-tree occupying
> ... I think is fine to answer all this
> old mails when a question like the previous emerge on catching up, but
> please tell me if there is any better way.
Personally I enjoy having old/forgotten gem of an idea or discussion
lifted out of the strata and given some fresh air and sunshine
periodi
>> In your absence, can someone be assigned to monitor first-posts from
>> new users that are held for approval
>
> I'll check my mail and do this as needed. If somebody else want
> permission to do this, please ask.
sure, I'll help monitor first posts etc.
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> Uttara.ca seems hacked. Now you get sexual products propaganda on this link.
yech! Not hacked. I let the domain lapse and moved my stuff to
http://www.maphew.com/How_To/Installing_Leo_Editor_on_Windows. It
never occurred to me someone else would pick up the name. It's not
like I ever got a lot o
> Edward, I looked at http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/commands.html
...just in case you missed it: don't expect a reply for a couple of
weeks as Edward is on holidays.
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> If your goal is to avoid running an app with a command line argument,
> you can wrap the whole call into a shell script like this:
A windows version might look like (all on one line):
@start /b "Leo" c:\python26\pythonw.exe
"C:\local\apps\leo-editor\launchLeo.py" --gui=qttabs %*
Save as Leo
>> Is there some setting I need to adjust? I checked, SciTE is on my path
>> (and it's in the Leo context menu of course). Thanks for any help.
>
> Try specifying the full path to scite.exe as your external editor.
Where is the external editor setting kept? I searched through
leoSettings.leo and m
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:10 PM, zpcspm wrote:
> On Oct 1, 3:02 am, Matt Wilkie wrote:
>> Where is the external editor setting kept?
>
> LEO_EDITOR environment variable works for me (Linux).
>
> See guessExternalEditor() in leoGlobals.py
Thanks. I knew that at one tim
> Any other comments?
I don't like needing to create LEO_EDITOR environment variable for
this customisation. It is handy that EDITOR is optionally used as I
recall needing that same var for another program at one time, ipython
perhaps?
If the result "g.app.db['LEO_EDITOR'] = 'scite' " is bound to
> If the result "g.app.db['LEO_EDITOR'] = 'scite' " is bound to [alt-v]
Seems to broken:
{{{
exception executing script
AttributeError: cacher instance has no attribute '__setitem__'
line 2: #...@+node:newHeadline
* line 3: g.app.db['LEO_EDITOR'] = 'scite'
line 4: #...@-l
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Graham Chiu wrote:
> Found the issue. Leo was always opening the file minimized. Windows
> prevented me from alt-tabbing to it while minimized.
> Very bizzare. I had to move my mouse over the small window ( selecting it
> as is normal would not work ), right cli
Hi Edward,
I'd like to contribute to Leo beyond the odd bug report and
suggestions for the docs. Courtesy of Raphael Hertzog[1] of debian
dpkg fame I've discovered a micropayment system which just might work,
www.flattr.com.
How it works: Flattr users pay a small monthly fee, at any level
(defaul
Hi All,
I just tried to update leo on an XP Home laptop and am getting the
following error. The name of the file changes with every run but the
error is the same.
{{{
bzr pull --overwrite
Using saved parent location:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~leo-editor-team/leo-editor/trunk/
bzr: ERROR: No su
> Has it been some time since you pulled on that local branch? I think there
> might have been a glitch in the system around 2010-08-05, I had to pull fresh
> back then. I don't think it was necessarily bzr's fault.
I'm at r3397, sept 15. There's been some other wierdness and crashing
going on
> The first 5 slides in the "What is Leo" slideshow are at:
> http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/slides/what-is-leo/slide-001.html
This is looking great!
I know it's early to make content comments when only the first 5 of 23
are complete, but while it's ripe in my mind: I find the arrow in
Sli
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Matt Wilkie wrote:
>> The first 5 slides in the "What is Leo" slideshow are at:
>> http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/slides/what-is-leo/slide-001.html
bug: there is no link to escape from the slideshow. [Leo v4.7-final
documentation]
(Status: resolved. Posting to the list in case it happens to someone else...)
ok, this is getting very wierd now. I've verified it has nothing to do
with my quirky laptop. The leo-editor branch is in a directory I have
synced to my linux computer. I get exactly the same file does not
exist error f
[aside] I just want to say Edward, that I appreciate the way you "talk
out loud" as you work, commenting on and extending your own thoughts
as readily as others. While I can't say exactly what I learn from it,
I do get insight and value from it.
-matt
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Step:13 - Please also include keyboard command for Redo.
I keep pressing Ctrl-Y, which is redo in MS-Office but is paste in
Leo, which screws up my undo/redo stack. Eventually I'll get myself
retrained. I just think it would be good to alert new users ahead of
time.
idea: a [play] button that wil
Install report, Windows 7 x64.
Existing pythons in C:\Python25 and C:\Python26.
Existing Leo installed in C:\ocal\apps\leo-editor, from bazaar.
License agreement page: I'd say "X/MIT style license" at the top. The
purpose of this is so people who are familiar don't need to read
through it in detai
>... I also want to get to modified visual presentation of @ nodes, so
>instead of
>
> �...@edit /mnt/usr1/home/tbr...(cut off by window width)
> �...@edit /mnt/usr1/home/tbr
> �...@edit /mnt/usr1/home/tbr
>
> I see
>
> some_file.py
> some_file.css
> some_file.js
>
> which becomes @edit /mnt
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Edward K. Ream wrote:
> This post announces a new contribution in the contrib branch.
>
> The Projects/AppEngine folder shows how to use Leo to develop Google
> App Engine apps.
This sounds very cool. thanks Edward, I look forward to trying this out.
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What is best practice for renaming @file nodes?
Currently I do this, which is clunky buy works:
In Leo:
- change '@file foobar.py' to '@file barfoo.py'
- save
In file system:
- delete barfoo.py
In source code control:
- rename foobar.py barfoo.py
In Leo:
- save again
Is this what yo
Thank you for taking the time to explain. Insight into your process is
more valuable to me at this stage in my learning-to-program
development than what or how script X does Y. My Leo projects don't
involve programming Leo itself, so when I look at plugin code it's
difficult for me to translate tha
> Select a range of text, the first line of which starts with 'def foo
> (...)'
>
> Do alt-x extract-python-method (or ctrl-p if you are repeating the
> command).
Thank you for this. I thought I just hadn't stumbled across the right
command/keystrokes for this yet, it never occurred to me that it
>> How is this different from the `extract` command? Other than that the
>> extract command has you type the node name in the body text before selecting
>> the text to be extracted.
>
> Right. It's almost the same, but it is very annoying, imo, to have to
> do something by hand that can be done
>> i ask because when I have goofed and PHP displays the file and line
>> number, it would be good to be able to have a way of going to line
>> X...
>
> goto-global-line command? Bound to alt-G by default I think.
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still reports "Leo v4.6-b1 documentation" at top left, though it does
change to "Leo v4.8 documentation" after clicking on a link.
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> These improvements allow Leo to be what it should have been a long
> time ago: the world's best organizer of url's. My typical usage is::
>
> @url fizbatz: short description of fizbatz (headline)
> http://fizbatz.org (body text)
> @language rest
> Why I care about fizbatz.
Thanks for this. :)
phew/leo-editor/stuff/files
cheers,
-matt
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've taken a crack at creating a syntax file for vim which demphasizes
>> Leo's metadata ch
> Why not put it to the "contrib" branch?
because "You cannot upload to this branch. Members of The Leo editor
team can upload to this branch." :)
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I'd like to set a keyboard shortcut for the right-click context menu
item "Edit @file foobar.py in gvim". Searching through LeoSettings.leo
I see the setting for opening the current node in external editor is
"cm-external-editor = Alt-v", but I need to see the whole external
file, complete with sen
> I believe it would be reasonable to add a check to cm-external-editor
> command implementation in contextmenu.py, and open the whole file in
> the editor if we are at @ node.
this would be my preference.
> Look at how checking for availability of context menu entry is done in
> the plugin
whic
> contextmenu.py
oops. you did say that in the previous paragraph. sorry.
Looking at "refresh_rclick" in contextmenu.py I see @file is not
mentioned while @thin is. Is that an oversight or by design?
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I can see that "openwith_rclick" and "editnode_rclick" are the
functions that define the co
> I'm just curious about this deemphasizing. How you see the normal comments
> in python versus the comments of Leo metadata inside this Python file. For
> example if we have:
>
> # This is a test file of python that has some commented code
> #@
>
> This two lines should be seen different in vim u
On my ubuntu machines (one workstation, one laptop) I've "installed"
Leo from bzr*. How do I setup file association with Nautilus so I can
double-click on .leo files and open them with Leo?
and are there any other niceties I miss out on by installing this way?
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> That's the theory anyway. For some reason it doesn't work with html
> files, though it did at an earlier point in my experiments. A new
> update is forthcoming which should make it a little more reliable.
A new version (r7) has been uploaded to
https://code.launchpad.net/~maphew/leo-editor/stuff
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 7:54 AM, tfer wrote:
> I'd like Leo to notice that a headline still says "New Headline" and
> entered edit mode automatically.
great idea!
> It may be just me, but I like to get
> the mode in the right place before I name it, which means I often
> create a node, move it r
> > An "insert child node" key binding would help with this, perhaps
> > [ctrl-ins] or [ctrl-shift-i].
>
> I'm not sure we want all that cognitive overload of zillions of bindings.
>
> ctrl + i ctrl + r is simple and elegant - and it would be the only
> thing necessary if edit state was preserved.
> Ipython broke compatibility with old stuff at 0.10, so the last
> ipython directly supported by Leo is 0.9.1.
...
> Obviously I need to keep on using IPython, so I'm maintaining
> ipython0.9+ version:
>
> https://code.launchpad.net/~ipython-dev/ipython/ipython09-legacymaint
Is this still true? a
Appending "%*" to the command only makes sense in a batch file where
more than one parameter might be passed.
In the context of 2x-clicking a file in Windows Explorer there is only
ever one parameter passed, the name of the file clicked. In any case
for file association only "%1" works.
Set up th
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Edward K. Ream
> In another thread I said that persistent searches are an interesting
> alternative to clones for the purpose of creating clones.
...
> These are merely the first thoughts that come to mind. Any other
> ideas or comments?
The best implementation I'
When I run Leo from within py3, but am writing a script for python
2.6 the log pane issues syntax errors only applicable to py3:
{{{
Syntax error in: @file xxx.py
19:
20: before = gp.ListFields(fc)
21: after = get_dissolve_fields(fc)
22:* print 'before:\t', before
What does @ignore do? How does one use it?
I tried putting it in the body text of an @file node but all that
seems to happen is an extra blank line is added to the external file.
A thread from 2009 (http://tinyurl.com/4mmb526) indicates it might be
intended for what I want, temporarily exclude or
Thank you Steve. You have a gift for clarity.
I'm not new here, though not being software developer puts me a little
out of place. I stubbornly remain because even though I don't
understand a lot of what's going, there are clearly very interesting
things happening here. So from my vantage, you're
> A new version (r7) has been uploaded to
> https://code.launchpad.net/~maphew/leo-editor/stuff.
Now merged with lp:~leo-editor-team/leo-editor/contrib. This is the
first time I've merged branches, so may have not done it correctly,
please vet.
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> The .leo file loads correctly, so all looks good. It would be cleaner
> if the .leo file were in the vim-syntax folder...
done.
I also found and fixed a serious mistake that caused data loss: I was
using clones and @file nodes to mirror the vim syntax files from the
project working directory t
> If that's an interest, I could go through and make such conversions, along
> with other 2.6 --> 2.5 modifications (while still maintaining 3+).
I personally have 2.5, 2.6 & 3.1 installed right now on my main
machine. v2.5 is a requirement because the applications of my "real
job" must use it. v
> http://code.google.com/p/pyjamas/
This appears to be the current home http://pyjs.org/
cheers,
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> In the last few days I have started thinking about a new kind of
> lint. I have started posting on the Leo and Pylint google group:
> http://groups.google.com/group/leo-and-pylint
from that thread, thanks for this:
QQQ
Leo uses the following naming
convention for objects, used throughout the c
> It's staring you right in the face. See leoPy.leo, the top-level 'Code' node.
actually leoPyRef.leo, on my machine, but thank you. :)
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> Can the text zoom be changed on the fly?
nope, but it's on the wishlist :)
https://bugs.launchpad.net/leo-editor/+bug/363145
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> Now, if you right click on @path that doesn't exist, you can create
> the directory from inside leo.
thanks Ville!
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> I am creating a sqlite storage support for leo. Motivation for this is
> that I'm going to do a mobile client that needs to be able to handle
> large leo documents in restricted amount of memory; xml file + reading
> all nodes to memory at one time doesn't scale for that.
My first thought on rea
Hi all,
I have leo checked out from bzr in a Dropbox folder that is
automatically synched across my machines. This way I'm running the
same version everywhere without having to think about it. I've been
doing this for about 6 months without a problem.
Yesterday I set up a new machine at home, run
> Yesterday I set up a new machine at home, running win7, and now this
> morning at work Leo is no longer expanding the %HOMEDRIVE%HOMEPATH%
> variables properly:
Correction! WINDOWS was not expanding the var:
C:\> set h
HOME=%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%
HOMEDRIVE=C:
HOMEPATH=\Users\mwilkie
> Database is likely to have great benefits in
> indexing, speed of random access as well as overall speed (esp.
> inserting new nodes, deleting old ones without rewriting the whole
> file). ...The killer is memory use when looking up data.
...exactly the problems vtd-xml purports to solve, but I
> So far so good. But, where one needs to pay attention is when running
> a Python script within LEO (typing CTRL-B on a node executes the
> script contained in the body of that node). The Python that runs the
> script is the same as the Python running LEO. It is not another
> instance.
I have a p
> It would be nice if ctrl-mousewheel would change the font size too.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/leo-editor/+bug/363145
(not nagging, just linking)
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If you're using a gnome based linux desktop (e.g. ubuntu), pressing
[ctrl]-[h] will show/hide dot files and directories. An alternative is
to [ctrl]-[L] to put focus on the location bar (similar to url bar in
a browser) and add "/.leo" to "/home/bob"
-matt
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Robert
there's also the google command line tools -
http://code.google.com/p/googlecl/, which do have access to the shared
services like docs:
google docs edit --title "Shopping list" --editor vim
(from http://code.google.com/p/googlecl/wiki/Manual)
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> So, nobody wants to help me with the simple tabwidth question?
Hi Ivanov,
I've not used it much, but directives page
(http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/directives.html#index-39) says:
{{{
@tabwidth
Sets the width of tabs. Negative tab widths cause Leo to convert
tabs to spaces.
}}}
s
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:48 PM, wrote:
> How about creating a flattr account? That seems to be emerging as the way to
> sponsor open source development... Sort of "like" button backed by real
> money ;)
I suggested this a few months ago. At that time Edward was firmly
against the idea. However
> As an experiment I've added a flattr button to Leo's home page. Feel
> free to click it :-)
http://flattr.com/thing/277742/Leo
done :)
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thanks for this Edward. It is very helpful.
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> Leo now uses the language implied by the file extension in the nearest
> ancestor @ node if no @language directive is in effect.
thank you Edward (and Jason for suggesting it). This should
effectively remove a small yet persistent nit. :)
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I have this same problem, see attached. Leo updated from bzr a few minutes ago:
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Leo 4.9 beta 2, build 4265, June 4, 2011
Python 2.6.6, qt version 4.6.1
Windows 6, 1, 7600, 2,
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> Please check your @menus nodes in your myLeoSettings.leo or the file
> being loaded.
okay, thanks for that.
I don't recall ever adding or changing any @menu settings, however I
did create myLeoSettings.leo at one point so I could enable/disable
plugins, customize the external editor, and maybe
> I'm left wondering if I should be
> removing other branches too just to be safe, though I'm cautious
> because I don't understand 90% of what the nodes in that file do.
Well, that caution was shortlived. :) I just deleted everything in
myLeoSettings except for:
{{{
- About this file
- @settings
When editing a headline pressing [Ctrl-Z] doesn't undo. Rather nothing
at all appears to happen, however depending on what key is pressed
next, it continues to do nothing, or a strange character is entered
instead (I presume it's a raw Ctrl-Z). The "what character is next"
isn't consistent.
Furthe
> I'm not seeing any problems. Does this happen when you pull a clean
> copy of the branch?
will do, more on that later.
> Also, could you provide a complete traceback? I am not aware of any
> QAccessibleWidgets in Leo.
This is the complete text from the console window:
{{{
*** isPython3: Fals
> Iterate back through the global undo stack and only act on the undoings
> which affect the current node? :-) I'm sure it's not as simple as
> that, but it must also be possible.
what happens in the case of [cut] text from NodeA and [paste] into
NodeB? (with focus in NodeB) especially if there
There are many very good comments here! I have some things of my own
laundry list to add. In a quick re-read before posting the list rings
more of complaint than helpful feedback. Please understand that's not
the tone I mean to impart. I really like Leo, but I do have a hard
time getting completely
> Does the edit in external editor not work seamlessly from rclick menu?
It does now, but I had to set it up in myLeosettings.leo.
...{does some tests}
...and it still works after removing my custom editor string. I guess
I'm remembering pain from before, which is now fixed. Happily we can
c
Here is my vote: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized :-)
-matt
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> There have been enough comments about Leo's default look to convince
> me that it could be improved. I would welcome suggestions for a more
> uniform/standard look.
>
> The
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