Re: xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:55:56 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:27:26 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel. You can minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind. --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$ stuff g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel would hide till you needed it. May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of upgrading really on the beta box except the kernel. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . Lonnie did not realize that, just tried that and that is good enough. slap slap g thanks cheers You can also set the display level (xfce settings) of the panel such that it is overlaid by anything else on the desktop. Then you only get to see it if you ALT-TAB into it.-- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Another Microsoft marketing success
[ snip ] On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:17:06 +0530 zohar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the main point for needing windows is its ease of use but needs fast hardware. This is not understood by the people because nowadays hardware is not as much costly as it was before. If someone could give the CDs of the customized version of Linux that also includes office suite (Staroffice 6.0) and a GUI that makes operating easy then it can make a big hole in Microsoft's monopoly as it can also perform on a slow HW also whose lower cost government can afford.. People with older, slower machines (like my K6/300Mz/196Meg box) are not going to be very happy with StarOffice/OpenOffice. Now that I have a P3/900Mz/256Meg box, the program is quite usable. My wife and daughter are still using the older box on Win98 with the usual accoutrement of Parllel Port Scanner sharing with the Printer, IE, Netscape, Word, Excel, and the occasional Word Perfect, and they wouldn't be likely to put up with what I have to put up with to use Linux or FreeBSD. Until you can buy a linux box at Best Buy and take it home and use it without a friendly unix guru at your side, not much is going to happen. People will pay through the nose for Windows and love it. Only the security minded and the cost conscious and the tinkerers among us are likely to switch at this point. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
[ snips ] On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:00:20 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 05:21, Bill Campbell wrote: I learned a long time ago (1) to always ``cd'' to a directory before doing an ``rm *'' in that directory instead of ``rm dir/*'' since a space after the slash does nasty things, and (2) to think really hard before using the ``*'' to make sure I've typed it correctly. This is where a gui widget helps. A delete widget (button or icon) is context sensitive, it might operate on some highighted info, or many other criteria. The only thing context sensitive about the cli method is the current path (dot)(slash) A gui widget learns from it's mistakes. Ie it is automated better by each iteration of the code underlying it. It might do self checks, it might 'understand' what can / can't be deleted, it might be full bloat and actually do hidden backups. Point being, it can be automated with intelligence. As with so many things in life, I find myself between the extremes in this discussion. I certainly wouldn't want to try cli browsing and/or email manipulations (there are advocates even for this), but I've never gotten to like the concept of drag and drop overly much, even on Windoze. For the great army of potential linux users out there (the unwashed, so to speak), however, a standard offering of gui elements to make them comfortable in the wilderness of new unix facilities (which they may never want to comprehend) is esential. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: MySQL front ends, was: Re: no printing from kmail
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:46:09 -0500 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By Front End do you mean something like Access has for it's own databases? With most SQL RDBMS's you will find that the best front end for them is a GUI tool which allows you to send SQL commands in a simple way. For this, I like KMySQL. Is there a good equivalent for the PostgreSQL environment? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
elx news
elx now has a user group, but it's pretty well hidden on the home page. You need to follow the purchase link, then you will see mailing lists. Not a lot of traffic, yet -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Printing question
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:41:44 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sort of sounds like a memory problem. Knowing nothing, I would venture that there may be a misunderstanding between your printer and your server over how much memory is available on the printer (making most of this up.) Also, what does top show during this long printing job? Can you just dump a postscript job to this printer? Or, can you first filter the job into a file, watching how long it takes, and then just cat the file to the printer? Joel On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 12:17:30PM -0500, Keith Antoine wrote: e On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:39 pm, Collins warbled: Is the following action a) typical of unix printing in general b) typical of cups c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet d) result of screwed up config options Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page to the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer. On Windows the entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and printing is continuous. All I can say Collins is I use cups and its no different to Windows style printing. After observing the behavior with top, it appears that the pagination is occurring back at the ghostscript level. Any idea how to alter this behavior? Cups doesn't appear to have any customizing options - only choice of dithering, page size, and banners. The cups admin menu doesn't have any options that I can find, either. laserjet 100 is a selectable option under cups admin, but I didn't see any options there either. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: More ELX ramblings
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 04:23:56 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:58 -0700 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include OpenOffice. Have you run AbiWord in elx? If so... Do you get a font error message about being unable to add it's fonts to the X font path? (elx rc2) -- Yes. But it appears to be a warning only. I like AbiWord, but I can never use it because there is no table support. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Printing question
Is the following action a) typical of unix printing in general b) typical of cups c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet d) result of screwed up config options Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page to the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer. On Windows the entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and printing is continuous. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Printing question
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:41:44 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sort of sounds like a memory problem. Knowing nothing, I would venture that there may be a misunderstanding between your printer and your server over how much memory is available on the printer (making most of this up.) Also, what does top show during this long printing job? Can you just dump a postscript job to this printer? Or, can you first filter the job into a file, watching how long it takes, and then just cat the file to the printer? Joel Good thoughts. I'll try when I have a chance. On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 12:17:30PM -0500, Keith Antoine wrote: e On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:39 pm, Collins warbled: Is the following action a) typical of unix printing in general b) typical of cups c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet d) result of screwed up config options Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page to the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer. On Windows the entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and printing is continuous. All I can say Collins is I use cups and its no different to Windows style printing. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Elx Linux
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:05:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:36:55 -0800 Mike Mckinlay mike@CX43837-A wrote: Folks: I hate sound like a newbie but, after hearing about Elx linux in a coupleof posts to the list I cruzed over to their web site to look them over and decided to give their latest beta release a spin and all I can say is WOW! Elx is good. A problem I've had is with supermount, which was causing excessive delays while searching for media in cd's and mounting file systems. So I change my /etc/fstab file to a conventional mount point for the cd's and floppy, which fixed that problem. The Samba networking works well with my win95 box. The eth0 setup was a breeze, and the scsi emulation for my cd's works well, just added appends to lilo.conf. I'd like a few more window managers included, (just kde and gnome). And I don't like the windows like addons (network neighborhood, control panel) which are repackaged webmin utilities. But overall I'm impressed. It works and it's quite fast on my Athlon 1.4. They use kernel 2.4.13. Kylix2 runs well. I had a problem with permissions for cd sound, but added my user to the disk group and fixed that. (Also changed permissions to 666 on /dev/dsp, don't know if that was necessary) Anyway it works. It's a bit large at 3+ megs for full install. Yep, it's great, and David Bandel appears to be the only one I've heard of who can't get it to run; surely he's not the only Athlon user. ELX is gathering momentum. I just read in an article on the Elx home page today We have a record that out of more than 40 thousand ELX users world wide, there is not even a single after-install crash problem reported so far...The current release of ELX (prel/rc2E) has no known bugs. That's a pretty impressive user count for a new distro. I've just completed moving my wife and daughter back to my K6/II 300 machine which has Win98 (it works) and blown away WinME (locked up continually) on the HP PIV/900 box. I've just reinstalled my ELX rc1 isos including the option to write to the mbr, and it works like a champ - everything operational except sound, and that's primarily a KDE problem, although the usual lack of permissionos on /dev/dsp didn't help. rant Why does every distro feel the need to secure secure the sound card! I don't really think the script kiddies are going to write .wav files to my sound card. /rant Now that I've put xfce and sylpheed back on the box, all I need to do is prune the forest of daemons again and put up a current kernel. Someone mentioned problems with letting ELX write to the MBR, but on this box even the ide-scsi append statement for my CD_R W was generated correctly. Normally I don't do that anyway, but this box was empty, so no harm done. ELX even properly detected and setup my brandx ethernet card (installed by ATT way back when) and didn't get tangled up by the presence of a second ethernet card in the box. Yes, the KDE menu is a little strange, but new-to-linux users wouldn't have a clue about this, so it's a big deal. I like having both kde and gnome available, for once in a blue moon. If they just included xfce and sylpheed, it would be perfect our of the box. Actually, with gnome its more than once in a blue moon, since I'm a died-in-the-wool galeon fan. Oh yes, CUPS and my printer (laserjet) are working just fine. I did have to do a little tinkering with my Intel I810 video card, but even this worked out of the install. So, another successful ELX install - just plain boring. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area ELX-rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
More ELX ramblings
One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include OpenOffice. Now that I'm running a more up-to-date machine (900Mz, 256M), oo works like a dream. Only about 15-18 seconds startup time. Now I can type my daughter's homework tables and all without having to bring up MS Word. Now I can truly call this distro a Windows Killer. I can't think of much that I couldn't do in the way of office work with this distro. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how true this is. Mandrake is notoriously bleeding edge. No company is going to want to install their product for normal usage. --- zohar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mostly SUSE and mandrake are going for servers with partners like IBM and such big names so they are trying to ignore the normal user and marketing of them to big firms is only done with the partner -Original Message- On Behalf Of Lee Ted Ozolins wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2002 08:52 am, Tony Alfrey wrote: I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor. I was also surprised to see Mandrake booth. This year, the floor was even smaller and attendence lighter. Mandrake changed from one relese to the next. They used to be just a tiche better than RedHat, I installed a Beta that worked great, but every release after that was further over the edge. I'm back to ELX for now. -- Collins Richey (Denver Area) WWTLRD? - ELX - XFCE - SYLPHEED ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: continuing xscreensaver goofiness
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:21:13 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: morning! i've had another little screen/keyboard/mouse lock while running xscreensaver-4.0 with direct rendering enabled. i've encountered this kind of thing before, when the extrusion hack would break things. at least it was kind enough to leave its locked image on the screen, so i could readily disable it. problem now is that the screen is blank when the thing dies (machine continues to operate perfectly well, and it does not seem to have anything to do with the daily crom run, as we had suspected, in that this time it happened several hours after the cron run), it leaves the screen blank. so the next guess is that it's a particular module. there are no errors in any logfiles i can find. so now i need to come up with a way to log the activity of xscreensaver itself, as it cycles through the modules. nothing i've tried works. ideas? i tried to email jamie directly about this, but the mail doesn't get accepted on the other end, probably because i'm doing the drippingwithirony smtp here, but incoming is hosted elsewhere. I too, have noticed that my box occasionally locks up when Xscreensaver is chugging away. I've tried to find a pattern, or something getting logged, but there is nothing. Let me know if you make any headway. I should have written it down. A year or so ago I discovered that one of the screensaver choices (if you take the default random choices) is totally broken. At the time I removed it, but I can't remember which one. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfce question
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great. No and never. Xfce is dedicated to keeping the bloat out. You can add icons to the popup menus that appear on the panel. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
[ snips ] On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:36:45 -0500 John Voigt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point, I am considering switching distros, and am considering both SuSE and Mandrake (I still can't bring myself to use RedHat...yet) and possibly others. I need to consider both workstation and server application for both home and business use, although there probably isn't one distro which is equally adept for all applications, I'm interested to hear anyone's opinions on the options. long term, gentoo is the answer My main criteria are: - stability/security getting there; will be more so when 1.0 is released. - A distro with some continuity/upgradability/sense of direction. Wipe-clean/install-new gets to be a PITA very quickly, particularly with multiple installations in different locations, location-specific configurations, etc... yes - reasonable price without unreasonable license restrictions. I don't necessarily mind paying for specific commercial apps, but If I want per-seat licensing, I can use Windoze and make management reasonably happy. The price is right - a total of zip per seat. - Not bleeding edge, but reasonably current Always. You can stay either way and change that at any time - other criteria which I haven't thought of yet ;-) I used gentoo for a year or more - quite stable. gentoo has ported the FreeBSD way of installing maintenance (ports) to the linux arena. The gentoo portage system makes available all reasonable current versions of software packages via on-the-fly download from any available repository. The only drawback at present is that this is install from source. As gentoo matures, they will offer pre-compiled binaries as well. You can certainly do desktop and server support from the gentoo base. Or, you can make the plunge and checkout the real thing - see my signature below grin FreeBSD offers all of what you are looking for, but the drawback is that they don't support every imaginable peripheral yet. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Does anyone know Swedish?
Here's what I can read On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:41:12 -0700 Tyler Regas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on one of my book projects and I need some help translating some Swedish text. Here it is: DreamHack 2001 blev en succé. Nätet, Internet och elen fungerade med minimala problem. Över 5000 deltagare gjorde DreamHack till världens största datorfestival. På denna sida kommer vi inom kort att publicera information från evenemanget och tillhandahålla möjligheten att ladda hem material från DreamHack. DreamHack 2001 was a success. (???), Internet and all worked with few problems. Over 5000 delegates made DreamHack the world's biggest data festival. For that reason we have decided to publish information from ??? and ??? possibilities to give them the materials form DreamHack. Now, from what I can get from the translators online it speaks of the events success and that there were over 5000 attendees, but there's enough garbled text that its unclear. I greatly appreciate anyone's assistance. Tyler PS: The Map will be uploaded tomorrow :) --- Tyler Regas PDA HandyMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pdahandyman.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
[ snips ] On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:50:19 -0800 Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But let us remember that our younger folk tend to respond well to child psychology. Tell him you support his efforts to become a more well rounded sheep, er, person. Nod sagely and encourage his experimentation. You might even provide him with a boot partition (known to have sector problems) that he can use to experiment at home. ;-} It would be good to mention the evils of FreeBSD, while you are at it. Right on! FreeBSD - my favortite evil! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:07:56 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:51:18 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other respondent on this thread (I lost the post) stated that ELX overwrote his MBR. I selected the don't do anything option (there were three choices), and ELX definitely did not write to the MBR. That was me, and I only saw 2 choices. Guess that was my own fault, probably in too much of a hurry. One may or may not like the Windows-like setup on ELX. I've never had any use for WEBMIN, so I wouldn't have noticed the difference. I like elx, but I'd prefer a bit more flexibility. I'd like to be able to edit those launchers. And have a few more window managers built in. I guess I got spoiled by libranet. However, it was too far behind the bleeding edge, and when I started updating to testing I broke a few important things. So I'm searching like most everyone else. I'd like a small company (underdog) distro, up to date without bleeding, flexible, fun, stable without being rusty. Have I now eliminated everything? ;-) It will be a few more months, probably, but gentoo will be the killer distro - my $.02. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:36:09 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:34, Net Llama wrote: Oh gawd no. Kudzu is the biggest flaming POS i've come across in all of Linux. I've stopped counting the number of boxes that its locked up, fubarred or othewise rendered useless. The part of kudzu I am impressed with is it's auto-detection of added / removed hardware during boot up. Obviously, whoever is writing kudzu is maintaininga data base of quirks and features of each device as encountered. better he does, than I have to. But he's not doing such a great job of it. I've seen quite alot of hardware get mis-identified. Sour grapes Llllama, auto detection aint that tuff, hell, the unmentionable os has had it since 1995, so it's been a long time coming. If kudzu aint that good, there has to be a better one, real soon now. It's needed. I dunno. I realize this isn't the univeral answer, or the popular one, but i'm of the the school that i'd rather 'detect' and configure my own hardware. Makes for a much easier kernel building experience down the road. Unless I miss my guess, Llllama, kudzu isn't designed for guys like you who know what they're doing and like to change the spark plug wires themselves. It's designed for the unwashed masses who don't give a rat's pitooty about tinkering with the system. Granted it's got a ways to go, but to call it a POS is a little strong. Most of the software we love to use (or to hate) was a POS in its early days. I would wish the kudzu guys best of luck. I disabled it on my elx distro, because I didn't plan to change any hardware, but it was certainly harmless when I had it enabled. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:11:34 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:41:08 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless I miss my guess, Llllama, kudzu isn't designed for guys like you.. I disabled it on my elx distro, because I didn't plan to change any hardware, but it was certainly harmless when I had it enabled. Do you have problems on elx with the filesystems taking a long time to be detected? When I run df on both rc1 and rc2, I wait and wait, maybe 5 seconds for each partition or cdrom, for it to be detected. This makes kde a pain on startup, since it seems to parse each desktop disk icon, and is always trying to verify my cdroms when no media is present. Gnome is not so bad, but it's still happening. (I'm in xfce now and no problems.(yet))-- I'm not sure that I understand. I never did notice the type of problem you describe with df. kde is a pig to start on any distro, but a little better on FreeBSD. kudzu took about 30-40 seconds that I considered wasted effort, so I disabled it. I'm an xfce biggot, too. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:08:09 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:27:09 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kde is a pig to start on any distro, but a little better on FreeBSD. kudzu took about 30-40 seconds that I considered wasted effort, so I disabled it. I'm an xfce biggot, too. oops, are we talking freebsd? I'm wondering about ELX. Is there a group I should add myself to for enabling cdrom music cd's as user? they work as root only. My /dev/dsp permissions are 666, and the cdrom I want to use for music is scd1, but permission is denied.-- Just stating the one prominent difference between ELX (or any linux distro I've tried), where kde starts very slowly on my 300mz machine, and FreeBSD where it starts in half the time. I haven't tried music cds, so I don't know. One other respondent on this thread (I lost the post) stated that ELX overwrote his MBR. I selected the don't do anything option (there were three choices), and ELX definitely did not write to the MBR. One may or may not like the Windows-like setup on ELX. I've never had any use for WEBMIN, so I wouldn't have noticed the difference. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ISO image files
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:33:29 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:04:51 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:54:06 -0700 Glenn Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Group: I have looked in all the familiar sources of info, and have come up empty. I have a binary file in .iso image format. What do I need to do to install it? The file is in my download directory, but I want to burn a CD and install it from that. I did this some time back, but my memory has deserted me on this one. Can someone help? TIA The command I use to burn a cd from an iso image is: cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -data filename.iso Of course you need to be root, and use the proper device, determined by'cdrecord -scanbus', and set your preferred speed and the appropriate filename. Works for me, ymmv. Any second opinions? -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. That is what I am using, mine is a sci, but my ide does the same. After you have a successful burn make your self a script, Ken I know you know That, the devil made me do it g On my slow machine, only speed=2 results in a good burn. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: printer in Suse 7.3
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:02:53 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with my print program in Suse and Konqueror/Kmail. when I go to print a mail out it brings up a window to print from, in ther are printer names as strings. The one I need 'lpr' is not there but 3 others are lp|lp2|y2prn_lp.vpp--auto-lp|y2prn_lp.upp auto the others are lp-asci and lp-raw None of these print of course, they just bring up an error window. Where can I edit these to lpr or whatever. It seems to be in kmail and konqueror only, I think. I can't check out konqueror right now, but kmail prints fine. One thing you should realize is that 'lpr' is not a printer choice but a program (one of the lpr - lpd - lpq series) that passes its output (using filter definitions in printcap or cups, etc.) to the printer. The default printer is usually lp but this may be an alias for your actual printer name. Do you actually have a printer daemon started? (ps ax | grep lpd or ps ax | grep cups etc.). What messages are you getting in /var/log/messages (I presume that's the location for SuSE too). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:22:25 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: snip Windoze will let you completely fubar the video settings to something above what the monitor will handle. Good luck getting that fixed without reinstalling the OS, when you have no video, no telnet, no ssh. You boot into safe mode and run 640x480 and fix it. Not ALL Windows problems require re-installing the O/S. In fact, Windows users re-install the O/S far more frequently than is required. Last I checked NT4 didn't have a safe mode. If some luser unintentionally (or otherwise) screwed the video settings, it was time to see how the blind use windoze. Maybe not... No NT4 experience here. I've only used/supported Win 9x and Win2K. Win2K has a safe mode, of sorts (I forget the exact terminology it uses). NT4 and Win2K both present you a choice at boot time - normal or plane-jane vga for emergencies. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:18:09 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scribbling feverishly on January 21, Douglas J Hunley managed to emit: dilyard root babbled on about: pong ignore him. he's a smart@$$ There are several such on this list. I, of course, am not one of them. ;-) It's the smart@$$$ on this list that keep the rest of us dumb@$$$in line. Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Microsoft Support OT
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:31:07 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but no one has come up with the most definitive one: Most Certainly Shi**y Experience Ray On 19 Jan 2002, at 8:59, Tim Wunder wrote: From: Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Dis- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft Support OT Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe Date sent:Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:59:37 -0500 Previously, Ian chose to write: Douglas J Hunley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about: And a bunch of other people babbled about it before them... SNIP Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case nobody was keeping track here are the entries in no particular order, although possibly chronological. Must Consult with Someone Else, Mouse Certified System Engineer Must Confer with Someone Experienced Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert Mandrake Consultant Suse Expert My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading, perhaps? -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 And my preference would be Merely Certified, Shi**y Engineer -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD again ot
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:53:10 -0500 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 13, 2002 09:55 am, Mike Andrew wrote: moi aussie? Yes you are. Moi canuck. moi troll, as I'm sure you all remember. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD - Part II
[ snips ] On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:23:35 -0700 BOF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Anselmi wrote: Thanks for the post, I'm much more likely to try *BSD now. Perhaps either Open of Free the next server I need. Since there is less hardware support (video, audio) and the main desktop/window managers seem to be developed for Linux I think I'd stay away from a desktop machine (just me, my brother-in-law uses FreeBSD on a laptop). I use FreeBSD on a desktop system as well as a laptop. While the hardware support is getting better, it is, IMnosoHO, about where Linux was 2 -3 years ago. Since most of my computers are 2 - 3 years old, this is no problem g. I value it as a desktop system, but thus far I haven't figured any way to get OpenOffice on FreeBSD. The biggest problem I have had with installs is with network cards. While FreeBSD supports many, many brands, most of them are not available during installation, including Tulip-chipped ones (I use Netgear 310's almost exclusively). I beg to differ on the Netgear 310's topic. I'm using an FA310TX which talks tulip on linux, but I chose the most likely looking choice (I can't remember the 3 or 4 numbers on the choice line, but tulip wasn't listed. I believe it was the very first choice listed by the installer.), disabled the other conflicting choices), and my networking is working fine with the GENERIC kernel. The most difficult thing with installation is the disk partitioning. Luckily, FreeBSD will do a good job by default, and I suggest this for a newbie, as long as there is not going to be a lot of customization to the system. Agreed, it's strange to linux eyes. The drawback to the auto (default) choice is that a very small / slice is created which will limit your /home directory. I'll probably windup redoing my install once I figure it all out. Right now I have a downloads in the /usr slice where most of the space is available. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD - Part I (Planning)
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:41:42 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:43, Collins Richey wrote: Ok, there does appear to be some level of interest for FreeBSD, and no one seems to be mightily offended, so I'll do a few posts. [snip] Collins, rather than me hacking and slashing this text into an SxS and doing it a disservice, please most me an html copy. OK, but it'll be a couple of days before I get to it. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD Burn Software
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:55:55 -0600 Hemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:40:35 -0800 (PST), you wrote: --- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ii have 3 choices on my kde menu under cd burners: cdbakeoven, gnome toaster, and xcdroast Is there a consensus of opinion as to which is best? None :) gcombust is my preference. And I have found my best success with console tools (have no idea what gcombust is, though). I have a script that interfaces with mkisofs and cdrecord and it works fine for my needs. How about putting that script in the CD section of the SxS? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD - Part I (Planning)
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:30:51 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Ok, there does appear to be some level of interest for FreeBSD, and no one seems to be mightily offended, so I'll do a few posts. snip Thanks Collins, I can see a SxS coming for this in the future. g More likely a Stumble Your Way into FreeBSD grin. The interesting thing, I couldn't have tackled this two years ago before putting the wise counsel of this group re things linux under my belt. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTRe: Testing: Ignore
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:28:26 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scribbling feverishly on January 12, Bruce Marshall managed to emit: On Saturday 12 January 2002 12:28 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: This is still a test. On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:31:43AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: Please ignore. This is only a test. If this had been a real post this would be filled with misinformation. Joel Yes, but how can it be an official test without the obligatory humor attached... :o) True. We *do* have certain standards on this list, after all. We could always have a rerun of the picture is worth 1K words scenario for obligatory humor. grin Sigh, I guess Kurt is right. We *do* have certain standards. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cdrom help
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:15:18 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:02:53 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recommendation: Remove all symlinks in /dev Remove the kernel line hdc=ide-scsi Re-boot the system and look at your /dev directory. As I understand it, you should then have /dev/sr0: SCSI CD-ROM or CDRW /dev/sr1: SCSI CDRW or CD-ROM /dev/hdc: IDE CD-ROM PMFJI Here is what worked for me. I have 1 cdrw and one dvd, both shown as scsi, and the devices are scd0 and scd1. (I've seen somewhere that sr0 and sr1 are outdated. (?)) And I use the lilo line append=hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi This works in Redhat7.1, ELX and Libranet. I deleted my cdrom links in /dev (cdrom-hdb and cdrom1-hdc) and replaced them with ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom ln -s /dev/scd1 /dev/cdrom1 Just another alternative to investigate. Yes, elx only uses /dev/scd... /dev/sr... do not exist. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
FreeBSD again ot
Before anyone flames me, be advised that I don't intend to post ot that often. I know there are many of you who don't appreciate non-linux discussions. I'm going to be experimenting with FreeBSD for some time (I really like what I see), so I won't have much to say on topic. Would anyone value an ongoing discussion about FreeBSD on the general list? If so, I'd be happy to subscribe; otherwise, I'll just be lurking. Thanks, -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: which distro uses portage?
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:19:41 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forget. thanks! gentoo. It's a rewrite from scratch (python based) of the FreeBSD ports system. It's still a work-in-progress, but I enjoyed using it. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD again ot
[ mega mondo snip ] OK, it looks like there is some interest (thunderous chorus in the background). I'll put together a couple of posts and get back to you. 1) Things to think about if you want to put up FreeBSD 2) My experience with the product. Maybe I'll even edit out the typos before posting grin. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 12 steps
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:22:52 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:34:54AM -0600, Schmeits, Roger wrote: I found this extremely funny simply because I have been in AA for several years. good for a chuckle. http://www.cio.com/archive/010102/shop.html Other than the fact that the page should have been run through demoroniser.pl to fix some characters, it's great (I'll see your AA and raise you 15 years in Al-Anon :-). I can't raise either of you, because I've never had any problems with the golden elixer, but I'm forwarding this to work where I can post it in my cube. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: User sound permissions
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:46:20 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another question. I'm trying out ELX linux, but the sound for users doesn't work, and I can't find the audio group to add my users. (works for root) Is there another group that controls sound permissions, or a device to adjust? Next time I boot my ELX system, I'll double check. What I do on any system is just give /dev/dsp permissions 666. Who cares about having a secure sound card, anyway! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Switching to DHCPDC on Comcast:SOLVED, so far
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:58:31 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, tonight is the big switch in my area. @HOME even called the house tonight to advise me of the switch. This, on top of the two emails and one snail mail notice. Tomorrow morning I'll know how it went. Shame they couldn't spare 1% of this effort to help linux users. Joel Hopefully it will go better than here in Denver. Good old @home pulled the plug on a Friday night, and it was on Wednesday when I had everything working again with @attbi.com. If you have DHCP on linux, you shouldn't need zip in the way of support. I have a simple router, and the only thing I have to do is give the router the host name that @home/@attbi expects. The rest is lights and mirrors. The Win98, WinME, linux boxes work without any tinkering, unless of course you don't already have DHCP support on Windows. That can be either very simple or maxi horrible. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX update
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:34:17 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after a nights rest, and rebooting, ELX seems to be running much better, not sluggish any more, and I'm starting to like it. It does have a windows like feel, too much for me, but you can still ignore that if you want, and it did a fine job of setting up with my hardware and networking with my old win95 box. (Played with samba for a while to get it set up). Kylix 2 OpenEdition runs well on it. Anyone tried Kylix1 on elx? I had a problem yesterday installing it, it stalled at building the font matrix. But maybe I'll try it again, since elx is running much better now.I do miss the choice of window managers on Libranet, which is my favorite distribution. IceWM, xfce, kde, gnome, enlightenment, windowmaker, blackbox, probably more I'm forgetting... Elx has kde, gnome, twm, period. I'm glad to hear that someone else was please with the elx distro. I think they did a fancy job. A simple visit to www.rpmfind.net and you can add xfce, etc. quite easily; just pick a Rehat type rpm compatible with your PC (I can't use 686, for example). sfce went in with no complaints. Once you have a new wm installed, you need to update /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession and /etc/kde/kdmrc to make the new session type available. Let me know if you need help. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm impressed with ATI!
[ snips ] On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:42:04 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if you want the latest and greatest supported straight out of RD then perhaps you should settle for the M$ tax and be done with it. Even that won't help. M$ certainly doesn't support all the latest cards straight out of the chute. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Maxtor 80 meg drive
On Monday 07 January 2002 17:51, Joel Hammer wrote: Can someone point me to an up to date discussion on how to partition a disk this size? I want to use this disk as my primary drive (newer, faster, bigger) and I need some information on partitioning it. I use LILO. Thanks, Joel I just bought a big drive. I was surprised to see they say I should install an Ultra/133 PCI adaptor card. The drive is 80 megs 7200 rpm. I presume you mean an 80GB dirve, which is indeed large. I've experimented with various partitionings, but I always come back to a single partition per distro or a separate /home partition as second choice Unless you plan to download tons of MP3/OGG files, movie clips, iso images, etc. ... I never manage to get more than about 5GB used (with both KDE and gnome and OpenOffice, and a few iso images downloaded). So, I would carve the drive up into 10-15GB chunks max (I use 6.4GB max at present). Tell us more about your plans for the drive - multiple distros, big databases, music library, ??? My usual distro is ELX -pre1, but I put up FreeBSD for fun. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Way ot - FreeBSD
I won't bore you with a lot of details. I just put up a FreeBSD distro because it was there. The most interesting observation thus far is that KDE is much peppier than on any Linux distro I've used. KDE/Konqueror.etc. start in about one third the time of the equivalent on linux. It will be interesting to see if there is an OpenOffice distro for BSD, since that one is really pokey. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX
On Monday 07 January 2002 19:11, Ken Moffat wrote: All in all elx seems quite full featured and stable so far. I'm not sure about the Windows knockoffs, but we'll see. Anyone have problems with the Mozilla and Galeon versions crashing on ELX? Not really, I use galeon almost exclusively on elx. I had a few crashes on gentoo, but not even once a week. In their prime market (non-US), elx will probably have good luck pushing the Windows knockoffs. The move away from M$ products seems to be a lot stronger there. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Way ot - FreeBSD
On Monday 07 January 2002 19:09, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Collins Richey babbled on about: The most interesting observation thus far is that KDE is much peppier than on any Linux distro I've used. KDE/Konqueror.etc. start in about one third the time of the equivalent on linux. It will be interesting to see if there is an OpenOffice distro for BSD, since that one is really pokey. anyone know if this is cause the libc on *BSD properly preloads stuff and doesn't do all the re-locating that glibc does? Sounds like a good guess to me. If I had started with this kind of KDE performance on linux, I probably wouldn't have been as motivated to try out XFCE. I can't wait to compare the results with XFCE and SYLPHEED and even GNOME. Standard FreeBSD comes with an ancient version of XFree, so I had to do considerable tinkering to get my S3 Savage card/monitor to work at higher resolutions. FreeBSD is way behind the curve on soundcards; this is a silent install. It does have cups, so I'll try that next. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm impressed with ATI!
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:06:43 -0500 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone searched for Linux on ATI's web site? I did and found a decent 45 hits... one lead me to their Linux FAQ. Ok, my first dumb question of the day - who or what is ATI? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: internal modem
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:05:37 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Winmodems are CPU hungry and slow your beast down. Get the external one, or an expensive card (At least 6 chips usually, vs ~3 for a winmodem). If it doesn't configure as com 1 or 2, it's not a real modem. Please don't tell that to the real modem in my box that has been happily using COM3 for about 9 months. Ditto. Before I got cable, my external 56K modem was on COM3. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:22:35 +0900 lesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an ELX iso ??? -Original Message- _·_o_l : Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] _¶_æ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ú__ : 2002_N1__4_ú 12:05 ___¼ : Re: ELX iso's...ot On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. Short for iso image. Each iso image must be downloaded to your system, then you can use cd burner software (I use cdrecord) to burn the image to a cd-rom. Elx has two images - the initial bootable install cd-rom and the second cd-rom containing other packages to complete the installation. You're looking at 2-3 hours download time (on cable - much longer on a 56K link) plus 15-20 minutes to burn the cd-roms. Then you can install elx - under 2 hours for complete install. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:22:35 +0900 lesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an ELX iso ??? -Original Message- _·_o_l : Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] _¶_æ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ú__ : 2002_N1__4_ú 12:05 ___¼ : Re: ELX iso's...ot On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. Short for iso image. Each iso image must be downloaded to your system, then you can use cd burner software (I use cdrecord) to burn the image to a cd-rom. Elx has two images - the initial bootable install cd-rom and the second cd-rom containing other packages to complete the installation. You're looking at 2-3 hours download time (on cable - much longer on a 56K link) plus 15-20 minutes to burn the cd-roms. Then you can install elx - under 2 hours for complete install. Just another thought. If you are not running from a linux system, you can download and burn the iso images from a Windows system, of course. The EZ-CD Creator software. for example, works just fine for burning iso images. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Memory lapse
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:45:33 + Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it Myles Green who wrote on Thursday 03 January 2002 05:12: On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:27:49 -0700 [snip] dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 Pardon a detail improvement, but I believe it actually is bs=512. This can be checked by simply doing ls -l /boot/boot.0300. The MBR is 512 bytes long, so the memory creaks out. Before you try anything, first create a working lilo boot disk with your existing and functional ilo.confby changing the root=/dev/hda to root=/dev/fd0 and then /sbin/lio. Verify that the boot disk works, then make your attempts to modify the mbr. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Administrivia: upcoming outage
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:31:33 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Connectivity to linux.nf, www.linux.nf and news.linux.nf will be interrupted periodically this weekend (Jan 5+6) for system maintenance. Mail will also obviously be delayed slightly during the downtime. And your cry-baby whiny-butt opinion would be...? This cry-baby whiny-butt thanks you very much for the advance warning! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:09:54 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, i agree 100%. Most native Californians don't know how to drive in rain (forget snow). I curse them all the time. I've seen it drizzling, and people start freaking out like its a hurricane. I'll take a downpour over a blizzard any day. -Lonni (who spent the first 25 years of his life living in NY PA) --- Aaron Grewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not surprised, but if you visit Western Washington you'll probably hear it more than once: Traffic is so awful. It's all those Californians that moved here. They don't know how to drive in the rain. CW is that if we tell everybody how awful the weather is 'round here, they'll stay someplace else. On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 14:47, Net Llama wrote: --- Aaron Grewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to keep up the illusion of endless pouring rain, it's all that Feh. Never been to northern California between December March i take it? Its been raining here *non-stop* for the past 2 weeks. Mudslides, flooding, the works. Same thing in Denver. Most of the new immigrants in the past few years are Californians, and here, like everywhere else, you hear the constant complaint that they don't know how to drive in snow. My only complaint after 13 years of safe freeway commuting (60 miles per day) is the pickup drivers and SUV drivers (almost never standard cars) that weave an S curve down the road trying to make better than the flow will permit and seldom succeeding. Most of these guys and gals gain about 5 car lengths on me in 15 miles, after causing a lot of brake lights to go on. Impossible to tell whther they are California imports or not. The same group usually drives 20mph above a sane speed on snow days. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
[ snips ] On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:30 -0500 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused at this thread. Why are people strung so tight about it? Let's stop pissing on each other's opinions and be a little more rational. Each distro has its faults and each distro has their typos. Yes, thank you for the rational summary. The fact that I'm not quoting more, should not be taken to mean that I don't agree with your entire post. Occasionally, I just see red when someone picks at a distro or package for something so insignificant as a typo. Which fact still does not excuse my choice of language. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: Re: typo in installer
FYI Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:40:04 +0530 From: root root@elx161 To: Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: typo in installer Thanks collins, We will be replacing the same in pre release 2 ELX team On Monday 31 December 2001 17:59, you wrote: A few people on our users group (linux-users) have reported that elx has a typo in its greeting to new users. I failed to notice this, but to some people it's a very big deal. ELX Linux Welcome's You instead of ELX Linux Welcomes You Please correct it in your final release. Thanks, -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:48:37 + Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Tuesday 01 January 2002 00:18: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:04:23 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 December 2001 03:48 pm, you wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in /opt??? Redhat gentoo. It's really anti-LSB to use /opt for much of anything. gentoo intends to use /opt only for binary-only packages. Ok, then according to the LSB where should Kde, Gnome, Xfce and etc. be placed? As I understand it, in the /usr hierarchy like any other program. I know, I know, that sucks, but that's the current drift. It does make it a little more difficult (impossible?) to run multiple kde/gnome releases, although the latest gnome claims to be installible and usable alongside the previous gnome. I thought the idea behind /opt for programs was that you could update your system without touching it; This never works anyhow unless you have gigabytes of libraries and nothing ever breaks compatability. -- You're preaching to the choir. Take it up with the LSB goons. It appears that they love the Rehat way of doing things, and it's doubtful that they will listen to reason. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
Skippy, eat your heart out! While you're sweating in 30 deg + swelter and NSW is burning, I'm freezing in Denver. On the coldest day thus far, my central heating furnace has failed. I've got all the lights on and my computers and the oven for a little residual warmth. Up from 60 deg F. internal to 65 deg in the past hour. On top of all that, it's a white New Year's day. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida ot
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:42:47 -0500 Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down there? This is my last northern winter. When I lived in Phoenix about 30 years ago, one of my co-workers at the bank was originally from Bangor, Maine. What finally triggered his move was the summer. The year before he bailed out, during the period about May 20 - Sept. 20, it rained from Friday 5pm to Monday 8am every single weekend. grin -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida ot
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:08:28 -0500 Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 January 2002 05:53 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:42:47 -0500 Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down there? This is my last northern winter. When I lived in Phoenix about 30 years ago, one of my co-workers at the bank was originally from Bangor, Maine. What finally triggered his move was the summer. The year before he bailed out, during the period about May 20 - Sept. 20, it rained from Friday 5pm to Monday 8am every single weekend. grin I've been an insulin-dependent diabetic for 30 years and it's affected the circulation in my feet. I can't tell if I have feet from October till April. Randy Donohoe Ugh, that makes my arthritis (I need dry climates) pale by comparison. Hope you reach a warmer haven soon! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:06:48 -0600 R. Quenett[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) Not likely during the current administration. Or any other. Government doesn't _do_ 'open'. It's poisonous to the culture. Fortunately, more and more foreign governments are reaching the conclusion that M$ is the poison. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:39:30 + Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Sunday 30 December 2001 00:36: Well, my beloved gentoo distro has become somewhat unstable, so I've switched back to elx at least temporarily. A few notes: 3) I found rpm versions of xfce and sylpheed, and they went in without a hitch, even though not specifically designed for elx. It appears that anything redhat/mandrake crafted will work. I have been running Mandrake for a while now, and allow me to add that IMHO, Red Hat and Mandrake are no longer fully compatible, just alike. Elx has probably done what Mandrake did - started with a basic Red Hat file arrangement and then added their own work. They have differed widely in areas, and Mandrake has added loads of 'drakes (Harddrake, diskdrake(out yet?), drakfont, rpmdrake, XFdrake,) mainly dodges so they don't have to explain anything. Thay have you testing for them (e.g. crashtester, 'cooker') before they will do that. You're most likely right. I haven't kept up with Mandrake since the 8.0 (???) Beta which I liked better than the final product. They wouldn't really explain much to me, even when I was on the 'cooker' list. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx typo final
I've reported the infamous typo to elx, which is what I should have done in the first place instead of getting involved (and helping to fuel) a flame war. Sigh, I guess I'm easy flame bait. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in /opt ??? Redhat = gentoo. It's really anti-LSB to use /opt for much of anything. gentoo intends to use /opt only for binary-only packages. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
A Happy New Year to all
Some of you, of course, are already at next year. Enjoy the new year anyway. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:04:23 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 December 2001 03:48 pm, you wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in /opt??? Redhat gentoo. It's really anti-LSB to use /opt for much of anything. gentoo intends to use /opt only for binary-only packages. Ok, then according to the LSB where should Kde, Gnome, Xfce and etc. be placed? As I understand it, in the /usr hierarchy like any other program. I know, I know, that sucks, but that's the current drift. It does make it a little more difficult (impossible?) to run multiple kde/gnome releases, although the latest gnome claims to be installible and usable alongside the previous gnome. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
more elx notes - python
For you python types, elx has a fairly ancient version (python 1.5) linked as python; you need to reference python2 to get version 2. I noticed this when a script failed to recognize builtin string methods. I'm sure things like this will be better documented as the distro matures. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:32:52 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 07:12 am, you wrote: /etc/inittab and reboot. [snip] telinit is just a link to init init 3 doesn't work either. init should be in /sbin. Is it there? You may need to execute '/sbin/init 3' Works on this install of elx. I use init 3 and seems to do what its suppose to. On another note, I can not seem to be able (or programs) to use ttyS0 or any serial port as a mere mortal. ttySX is owned by root and in the group uucp. even if I place the user in the group uucp I can not gain access to ttyS0 as user. I had no problems getting lp0 up and running as a user (as default it is not accessable by progs run by user other than printing) I use Pony_program_2000 to program pics and other devices and at first could do so only as root. I can at least now use it as a user on the par port but not on the serial port. Even if I change perms on (I really do not like doing this) ttyS0 I still can not access it as a user. Am I missing something here? You could try updating the uucp entry in /etc/group to read uucp:x:14:uucp,collins where 'collins' is my normal user name. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Re: elx linux
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:48:54 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Here is the reply I received from elx re: some short-coming with their distro. Its almost scary to think that anyone would be foolish enough to run their system mainly as root. Their approach is starting to look and feel ___ almost Micro$oftish :( Has anyone been able to find any source code on their site? If its there, I'm definately missing it, I've looked but no joy. Subject: Re: elx linux Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:24:49 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ted, This spell check is not matured in K mail , it is still an experimental feature which soon be made proper. In linux world every bit of code is written with great passion and on the best effort basis. But we are working to make things better. ELX believes that the main user will always be root and therefore it does not give full priviledges to all users. To grant access to any device you can log in as root and run open your file manager and can grant access to any device or file. This is more of a secuirty feature. Please do keep sending your suggestions and input. Ted, I believe you are misinterpreting their response (Indian British English?). What I think they are saying is logon as root and change the permissions to grant access to a particular device which is exactly what I've had to do for /dev/dsp on many distros to get any sounds played by mere mortals. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx forum
After a little further research (it's hidden pretty well at the elx site) there is an elx forum where you can exchange ideas with other users and the developers. At the elx site (www.elxlinux.com) navigate to ELX - Forum. Enjoy -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
[ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:05:25 + Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I read the posts from Ray, Collins and Ted with interest while I was downloading with a 56K modem - 3 or 4 days. bummer! I shure love my cable connection! INSTALLATION My box has wintendo98 (disk 1), Mandrake 8.1 (disk 2), and Mandrake Cooker (disk 4). Disk 3 was ready for ELX, formatted reiserfs using Acronis OSS Disk Manager. The Mandrake disks are ext3. Custom install was impossible. The installer's kernel doesn't know about ext3 Custom install was fine for me - my other distros are ext3. I just didn't tell the installer to mount these partitions. I also told the installer to forget about updating the mbr and to create a boot disk. The boot disk could only boot elx, but my normal mbr had lilo for my existing ext3 distros, so everything was cool. I'll be cloning my system to ext3 in a few days, once I have everything I need installed. ELX WELCOME'S YOU BFD! If I had a nickel for every one of my typos, I'd be retired by now. POST INSTALL I have to boot using the floppy - with the hard disk I just get LI. I've run /sbin/lilo a couple of times - no error messages with -v but still no good. After trying out elx, I booted from my gentoo distro (ext3 knowledgable), mounted the necessary partitions, and used it to update lilo. Important (for me) packages missing: locales (installed --nodeps from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-de (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-en_GB (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-fr (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) gkrellm (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) rsync (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) sudo(installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) As you can see, updating with redhat/mandrake rpms is a breeze. I was able to add xfce and sylpheed and grub from rpms. Supermount works fine using /mnt/cdrom - /dev/scd0 and /mnt/cdrw - /dev/scd1. I've moved on to my own monolithic 2.4.17 kernel, and I don't have whatever is needed for supermount yet, so I just altered the /etc/fstab entries to avoid error messages. Will investigate later. Since I know how to mount CDROMs and floppies, it's no big deal. I too have not got Webmin to start yet There's a note on the elx forum about needing to reinstall webmin. I haven't tried it, since I don't need webmin. By the way, I don't think it's anything like Mandrake. Probably not on second thought. Mandrake for me is the symbol of a distro that starts many dozens of daemons by default - just in case you ever want to try them out. Since I don't keep my PC running forever (average uptime is about 3 hours), I get bored waiting for them all to start. One of the first things I did with elx was to remove kudzu, webmin, httpd, linuxconf, and sendmail from the l3-5 startup scripts. YMMV. As you can see below, I'm also running my old favorites xfce and sylpheed, which dropped in from rpm with no complaints. I've posted an entry on the elx forum about adding xfce to the kdm session choices, if you're interested. Enjoy -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:58:57 -0700 Dave Anselmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: [...] ELX WELCOME'S YOU BFD! If I had a nickel for every one of my typos, I'd be retired by now. If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software (corporately speaking, obviously individual people may be better at one or the other). I am admittedly too much the perfectionist, so the world seems too full of mediocrity to me. Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. Fortunately for some of us who are less picky, elx does work rather well. It's also a -pre1 release, so the 1.0 release may be even better. You're probably better off with Debian, where a package isn't good enough to be accepted into stable unless it's been running on every PC architecture (including those that none of us ever plan to use) for a long time. By then, the spelling has also improved most likely. By then, elx may have corrected a few piddling typos come to think of it, and if their responses on the elx forum are any indication, they will have corrected a few more worthwhile things than bledding typos. I repeat: BFD! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
[ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed and used by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD! You pays you money, you takes you chances. In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted and functional product for the price of a few hours download and two burnt CDs. I also got access to a professionally constructed web site with a well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate to linux as well as an offer to help with that endeavor. I got a desktop environment that will probably appeal to a lot of Windows refugees. I got immediate response for my questions from the developers. I got all-in-all fewer bugs than I ever did from Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros I've used in the past. And just for a bonus, I got one #@! typo in a pre-release distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar. Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for device allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of a *nix system. Every distro is going to handle this differently. Either you set permissions to permit anyone access to devices and deal with the security ramifications, or you set exclusive permissions and require use of root to alter those permissions as required. I've had much grief on Caldera distros and others just getting pppd functions to work. This is nothing new. Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every new Linux user is going to need to learn how and how not to use the power of root. I don't have any serial devices, Ted, so I can't comiserate. The elx distro has been easier for me to install, manipulate, and tailor than any I've used in the past. I would not hesitate to recommend this one to a newbie. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx and kylix (not)
elx does offer a trial version of kylix, but I haven't gotten this to work yet. Will report to elx forum as well. The basic procedure is 0) su 1) untar the package 2) cd to kylix_trial 3) cd to borpretest 4) ./testsystem - reports good results kylix should work 5) ./setup.sh - install successful to /root/kylix instructions say to use startkylix to run 6) cd /usr/local/bin ./startkylix 7) Get message Generating font matrix. Please wait... plus a dialog box saying the same thing. 8) Now running at 45+ minutes 100% cpu with occasional disk access. Probably in a loop. The following are from a ps ax display 1452 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/bash ./startkylix 1455 pts/1S 0:03 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1457 ?S 0:00 wineserver 1458 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1459 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1460 pts/1R 18:20 /root/kylix/bin/transdlg Generating font matrix. Pl ea Top shows continuous growth of Mem. used and buff and corresponding drop in Mem. free at each iteration. transdlg is consuming all the cpu. Swap is not changing. I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really surprised. Guess I'll kill it and move on. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx and kylix (not)
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:43 -0800 David Aikema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On December 30, 2001 05:19 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really surprised. Guess I'll kill it and move on. As I found out via the borland newsgroups (see http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-users@linux.nf/msg07067.html ) Kylix 1 is known to have some problems with kernel 2.4. If you're running 2.4 you'll want to head to borland and try out kylix 2 instead which might operate a little bit better. It's been working for me thus far whereas Kylix 1 caused nothing but problems. Thanks, David Will keep in mind. The only reason I tried it now was because it is there on the elx distro. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Request for Assistance - Consulting Opportunity For Pay
On Friday 28 December 2001 09:44 pm, you wrote: Hello: Since I have great respect for the opinions and knowledge of the individuals on these lists, I'm humbly asking for your help. I've got the following problem: Linux 2.4.13 system GCC 2.95.3 In an attempt to upgrade the gcc to 3.0.2 and such I've somehow managed to break it badly...I'm fairly sure its not gcc that broken but rather the libc and glibc stuff thats messed up. I've attempted to restore it but obviously I'm not getting it right. The system is 100% functional if you don't mind I can't compile anything from source...LOL Others will be able to help you get back to the status quo ante. Be advised, I've never heard of any good results using the gcc 3... compiler. I'm fairly sure that the compiler is indded broken, although you may have broken something else as well. Avoid gcc 3 like the plague - you've already experienced its benefits (ie none). Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Request for Assistance - Consulting Opportunity For Pay
On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:39 am, you wrote: On December 29, Collins Richey enlightened our ignorance thusly: Others will be able to help you get back to the status quo ante. Be advised, I've never heard of any good results using the gcc 3... compiler. I'm fairly sure that the compiler is indded broken, although you may have broken something else as well. Avoid gcc 3 like the plague - you've already experienced its benefits (ie none). I've used gcc 3.0.x without incident since it was released in June. The compiler is not broken. There are some problems with certain apps and libraries, but this has been the case with gcc for quite some time -- such as older version of the kernel and glibc relying on bugs in the compiler. In fact, I've heard reports of success *and* failure building the kernel with gcc 3.0.x. Please defined what indded [sic] broken means. There are more benefits to using gcc 3.0 than you realize -- I've been living with it for several months and, aside from known misfeatures, it is a better product than the 2.95 series: new preprocessor, better optimizations, more standards compliant, and so forth. Kurt, thanks for correcting me. I don't pretend to be an expert in these matters, and I respect your superior knowledge, but I keep reading that various products, including the kernel, don't build well with gcc 3. I seem to remember advice from the kernel developers (Linux or ???) not to use gcc 3. I've heard rumblings that kde doesn't wok either, although I've not tried that. I have an older K6/II which doesn't benifit very much from optimizations. When kernel 2.4.17 (-o2 -march=i586, about as plain vanilla as you can get) fails in one of the driver compiles for the isdn series with a message saying the compiler has generated an invalid instruction, I consider it broken. The other possibility is that the kernel is broken; wouldn't be the first time. I'm sure that sometime in the next few months most of the subleties between gcc and glibc and most of the common products will be worked out and that will be the new standard. In the mean time, it's still too experimental for my tastes. rant It would surely be nice if the compiler and library folks could make progress without breaking old things. I still remember (not too fondly) all the havoc that the current glibc generated when it was new. /rant Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx linux evaluation continued
Well, my beloved gentoo distro has become somewhat unstable, so I've switched back to elx at least temporarily. A few notes: 1) I've stripped out some of the offending daemons, so startup/shutdown is a little faster. Still looking at removing others, but going slow to avoid breaking anything. 2) The sysv editor they offer on the kde menu is broken - segfaults immediately, but they do offer tksysv which works. 3) I found rpm versions of xfce and sylpheed, and they went in without a hitch, even though not specifically designed for elx. It appears that anything redhat/mandrake crafted will work. 4) Most of my problems with the 2.4.17 kernel are not compiler related, but rather due to the elx default kernel config compiling everything under the sun. When I backed out to my standard config, even the much maligned (by me) gcc3 compiler works ok. Now I'm up and running on the new kernel, but elx wants something called 'supermount' in the kernel. Causes a few failed messages at boot, but nothing serious. Will need to track down. 5) Unlike every distro I've used in the past, elx does not include the telinit command, so the only way I could switch to run level 3 was to edit /etc/inittab and reboot. 6) The earlier reported inability to get to cd-rw devices was solved by the earlier post from Mike Andrew - elx uses /dev/scd0... instead of /dev/sr0 7) Still running on reiserfs - will investigate ext3 soon. 8) Even found an rpm version of aterm that works. 9) Found and fixed the beloved by mandrake, et al., but not by me, aliases that make every rm command prompt for permission. elx sticks this in the ~/.bashrc file, so I probably need to trash it in the skeleton file for users as well. 10) Still finding and fixing font sizes for various apps, since elx brought up my screen in the highest resolution available. Yeah, I know how to change the resolution, but I like the additional screen real estate provided by the higher resolution. 11) Still need to drag over some of my ...rc files for xfce so I can get rid of the ugly gray terminal screens. May the force be with you! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:28:42 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2001 04:36 pm, you wrote: 4) Most of my problems with the 2.4.17 kernel are not compiler related, but rather due to the elx default kernel config compiling everything under the sun. When I backed out to my standard config, even the much maligned(by me) gcc3 compiler works ok. Now I'm up and running on the new kernel, but elx wants something called 'supermount' in the kernel. Causes a fewfailed messages at boot, but nothing serious. Will need to track down. Perhaps because it calls for supermount in fstab. Yes, indeed it does, but only for cdrom floppy which are not critical Any idea where this little devil gets enabled in the kernel, ie save me the tedium of going through the config? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:23:19 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: is mozilla getting *more* buggy? From: Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults(Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. Seems to be a common thread to some recent newsgroups postings, at least WRT 0.9.7. So I don't think you're the only one. The Galeon recomendation is probly a good one. I haven't tried it myself, but I've yet to read anything bad about it. my galeon is based on 0.9.6, and its mostly stable, but there has been the occasional segfault. I've been developing some local html files, and some of the html is flawed at times (refs to non-existent files, for example).. Netscape just spits out url not found or similar, but galeon/mozilla crash. A few segfaults when referencing various web sights. The segfaults disappear when the url is referenced again.-- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:59:36 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 26 December 2001 01:16 pm, you wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: snip I've tried both with no joy. This is definately a first for me. I've never had prob's logging into webmin on any other distro (Caldera, Redhat, Mandrake nor Redmond) I have not had much time to play with this, I'll hack at it some more tomorrow. The login window comes up, I enter root and mypassword_for_root and each time it returns LOGIN FAILED:( Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. Did you try running /usr/libexec/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root(newpasswd) to reset the password? The problem is with the webmin config file as it has the wrong host name. Changing this to just localhost fixed the login problem. It has been some time since I've worked with lilo so I'll have to RTFM and find the correct syntax for adding the notail option since this is runing the reiserfs file system. Other than that everything else seems to just work. Sample /dev/hdc7 / reiserfs notail,auto 1 1 -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 02:10 am, you wrote: On Dec 24 Collins Richey was heard saying: -Navigate to http://www.elxlinux.com/ for more info. -My initial experience with this distro is positive: snip -8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. *** My obvious reaction would be why not use Mandrake then? I wouldn't mind a bit more details about why this distro should be preferred above the Mandrake. One reason (for newbies, at least) might be the uncluttered distribution sequence - not very many choices, since everything critical is autodetected under the covers. Another reason might be - give the little guys a chance. Also, I like to tinker. My gentoo distro is so reliable, it's boring, so life on the edge helps me get by. Another reason might the the substantial amount of documentation that comes with the distro. Even topics like how to use autoconf, make, etc. that may prove helpful for newbies that want to stray into the realm of development. Why did I climb the mountain? Because it was there. -Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper -and mysql. I'll have to *** Yep, that looks much like Mandrake (a.k.a. Red Hat :-). With the slight difference that Mandrake 8.1 asks what daemons you want to start at boot before finishing the install. That is an advance in some respect. Elx sounds to me as pre Mandrake 8.1, where the so called novice distributions would start the most obscure and unnecessary daemons so the newbies could be more easily hacked... The daemons started aren't particularly obscure, just (from my standpoint only) unneeded. FYI, everything in the distro is quite up to date. Only the cups, e2fsprogs, glibc, and perl packages are one notch lower that what I have on gentoo. Elx has chosen rpm 4.0.3-1, so there shouldn't be the usual problem with rpms that fail to install because they are packaged for the newer rpm. All the development rpms have been installed, so installing more software should not be a problem. I'm looking forward to putting up xfce and upgrading the kernel. I'm not looking forward to dealing with rpm again - yuck! Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake (was elx linux distro)
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 05:42 am, you wrote: Recently, somebody somewhere said: -8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. -Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper -and mysql. I'll have to *** Yep, that looks much like Mandrake (a.k.a. Red Hat :-). With the slight difference that Mandrake 8.1 asks what daemons you want to start at boot before finishing the install. That is an advance in some respect. Elx sounds to me as pre Mandrake 8.1, where the so called novice distributions would start the most obscure and unnecessary daemons so the newbies could be more easily hacked... Mandrake (and afaik Red Hat) supply ntsysv, which is a console based program which offers you a choice of daemons to start with init; you can get in and simply hack the list to suit yourself. Then it works. No effort. There's even an explanation of what they do. Yes, nysysv and appropriate man entries are available on elx, too. Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 10:53 am, you wrote: After the reboot I entered KDE. Ran the config wizard that comes up to set up KDE Desktop. All went well. The panel and menus are re- done not standard KDE that we are all familiar with however its not that big a deal. Actually makes more sense and does not have as much duplication. T Oh yeahOn the main desktop is an Icon for My Computer, very similiar in function to Windows my Computer, and also an Icon for Network Neighborhood, also similiar to Windows. gnome is setup pretty much the same - the Windows user will feel right at home. I had 3 problems with the custom install, ELX did not configure my sound card correctly, nor did it configure the CD-RW or CD-R properly so that I could pop in a cd and browse. No problems with my essolo1 sound card. Yep, you're right about the CDROMS - no devices sg0-1 and sr0-1, I'm buggered how to set them up; MAKEDEV doesn't seen to work. SCSI support is there, however. cdrecord --scanbus returns the expected data. One last thing, I was disappointed with the speed it operated on my machine, altho it was a bit faster than Mandrake 8.1 it was much slower than Libranet 1.9.1 all of which I have recently tried on this machine. Oh well, its sold for Xmas and I had to clean it off so don't have to worry about it anyway. hahaha Pretty slow here, too. I'm compiling a kernel now and will soon pare down the daemons. We'll see. Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 10:53 am, you wrote: I also did the download of Elx. I did 2 installs with it, same machine twice. Well, this one is doa! They've picked a compiler (gcc-3.0.2) that doesn't do kernels! You'd think distro makers would learn? This is what I would expect from Redhat! Plonk! Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx linux distro
Navigate tohttp://www.elxlinux.com/ for more info. My initial experience with this distro is positive: 1) Download and burn two cd's worth of day (about 1hr:45mins on cable, 40 minutes to burn on my slow cd-writer. 2) Boot from CD (I have to toggle this setting on my BIOS each time). The CD detects everything necessary (including exact details of my video card and monitor - kudos) and starts X - everything else is eye-candy gui based. 3) Don't choose the default option if you have anything other than Windows to preserve on your harddrive! elx would clear off everything but the windows partitions! 4) I chose the custom option and chose everything except the server category. This amounts to about 2.6G. The partition selection is a bit confusing since they show the hard drives in one pannel and the partitions in another, and you can click on the hard drive choices untill you are blue in the face - only the partitions in the other panel are selectable. Fortunately, the default choice is a reiserfs system. 5) After everything loaded down, and I created a boot floppy, the system booted without a hitch into run level 5. I chose the gnome option first, and I still don't like gnome any better that the last time. 6) dhcp works A-OK, and there's a lot of browsers to choose from, including my favorite, galeon. There were no questions to answer, but elx did the right thing for my tulip card. Galeon segfaulted after the initial wizard series, but it came right back. 7) kde works, too, and kmail, as you can see. The only immediate flaw I see is that the fstab entry for the root file system doesn't have the notail option, which would create a problem for grub. I fixed that in short order. 8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper and mysql. I'll have to see how much effort it is to strip it down to a reasonable size. Right now it's a pretty sluggish startup. Should be fairly simple. It's a standard sysvinit type setup with the usual Sxx and Kxx startup and shutdown scripts. It appears to be LSB (or Redhat) compliant - nothing in /opt except wine. It's supposed to be rpm based. 9) My soundcard was detected and works (elx is using alsa). Cups was setup properly, and a quick visit to cups admin setup my printer in short order. Cups is very up to date - first time I've seen a choice for my hp lj1100. It has the right interface for the lpxxx/cups stuff, so the normal lpxx commands work without a hitch. 10) There's a lot of documentation online - I haven't looked at it in depth. 11) This would be a really good distro for a novice - pretty painless to install. If you have a speedier computer, you probably won't notice the lengthy startup as much. 12) Alas, no xfce or sylpheed. I'll give these a try and put up the current kernel and chop away a few of the started daemons. Enjoy, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX Linux
On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:50:17 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who like to try new distros, ELX Linux is available for download today. The FTP connection didn't work but the HTTP one did. I haven't finished downloading it yet so don't have any other comments. you can get it at www.elxlinux.com click on download Must have just been max connections open on the server. I'm downloading it now using the ftp connection. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 22DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Which kernel?
On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:14:29 -0600 daddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to compile my first kernel because I need to get USB support. I've decided to upgrade from my stock 2.2.12 kernel to a 2.4.??. Should I go with the latest kernel or something different. TIA. current kernel (2.4.17) is what I'm running, and it's aok. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 22DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One?
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:21:22 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey babbled on about: [ snips ] please remember to 'cc' [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this thread. he posted the original elsewhere and isn't on this list yet this is good stuff, btw... -- Done -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Thank You OT
[ snips ] On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:54:06 -0500 Wade Barocsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two years ago this month, I joined this (formerly Caldera) list. I didn't know anything about linux, and not alot about computers in general. I did know that our Microsoft OS was inadequate for the business needs of our small medical office. One by one linux has taken over our small network. I have been able to accomplish this only because of the help of all of you. Helping each other helping - that's the name of the game. This list has sure saved my butt on many occasions. It's really good to hear a linux success story. Happy holidays. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One?
[ snips ] On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:54:33 -0600 Schmeits, Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Studying for my MCSE was a breeze in comparsion to really learn Linux. Sssh. Please dont tell anyone on the list. Won't tell a soul. My currently project is creating Linux from scratch which looks like an excellent way to learn the basic concepts on how Linux operates. LFS is good, but ... [at this point my friends (all two of them) on the list are starting to groan - here comes the pitch again! ]. When you've completed the LFS install, what you have is an up-to-date complete command-line linux, but you're probably going to want more, right? Now you're ready for the real thing - gentoo linux (http://www.gentoo.org) which has everything that LFS does plus complete gui environments (accent on the plural) and most every other useful package. I have found out through the listservs is that one must maintain a stance of being a student and always learning. I wish I could post answers on Linux questions but I lack that knowledge that everyone else seems to have. rats Stick with this list. You'll learn a lot, and as you learn you'll try new things and you'll be able to share those experiences with the rest of us. The only way to get the knowledge is to keep trying things and asking questions. Before you know it, you too will have the knowledge that everyone else seems to have. In my expierence stick with main stream distros. Redhat, Suse,etc. With the slimmed down kernels you have to damn expert to get some of that stuff to work. Stick with a ditros that keeps up with the latest and greatest trends in the open source movement. Espically for beginners. You could be hanging from the ceiling like me at times and not even know it. There's nothing wrong with the mainstream distros (plenty of users on this list), but I've always preferred the road less travelled. The mainstream distros will give you a slick gui logon and a KDE or GNOME desktop, but you haven't a clue how it all fits together. With gentoo (or even LFS and its extensions for that matter) you'll get to know the smaller pieces of the puzzle, and some of the pieces aren't even mentioned by the slicker distros. Also, learning to build your own kernel (it isn't that tough) is an important learning excercise. Once you've been through the kernel config a couple of times, you'll discover that 90% of what's there doesn't even apply to you and you can skip right over it. As long as you learn lilo (or grub) to create a standard and a test bootable choice, you can tinker with the kernel until you get it right. Some of the appropriate choices are in the Step-by-Step documents. Good luck, and keep learning. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:23:42 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2001 08:49 pm,Collins Richey wrote: snip Then I discovered gentoo, snip Ah bliss! end of almost a rant Doesn't sound like a rant, sounds like it works. Does this mean that there are others besides RH, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE (like Doug's favorite Redmond Linux) that are beginning to assemble something that is upgradable in a straight-forward newbie-able manner? Don't know about the newbie-able manner portion of that, but it's certainly straight-forward. Anyone who's lurked/contributed on this group for a while could certainly handle it, but a classic newbie straight from Windoze land might prefer a does everything for you distro. Redmond Linux is certainly easy, but I can't stand the bastardized KDE. The proof of the pudding will be when another phase-shift occurs with glibc that breaks all existing software (I don't know why they can't make them compatible). The gentoo setup will require relatively little tweaking to install a new system, but an upgrade with glibc in the middle is a near impossible thing. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux takeup
[ snips ] On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:05:21 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I've just come back from the Netherlands and I think many of you would be interested in the following (mercifully brief) observations I made while there. Europeans on this list would correct me, but these are impressions from an outsider. RS6000's are the name of the game. IBM have a big footprint. I was mildly surprised to see small flat boxes in the corner of just about any travel agent, small insurance office, even landscape gardening centers. I expected to see clusters of the usual wintel workstations and was mildly surprised to see the prevalence of single, AIX4 workstations, not clusters., just a single box doing it's job. The impression I got was NT? what's that? Big Bill is not a player there. (just an impression folks) Secondly, there is a push to migrate these boxen to AIX5L, read the letter L. It means Linux. Suspicions confirmed. I always thought the Dutch were intelligent people. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:45:38 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey babbled on about: (like Doug's favorite Redmond Linux) that are beginning to assemble I've never used redmond... I like SuSE or linuxfromscratch... I just forwarded that piece cause I know several on here like/use/develop redmond Sorry, the comment about Doug's favorite wasn't from me. I haven't tried SuSE in years; do they still have the all-in-one mega-mondo-humonguous config file? I've always preferred adequate instructions for doing configs myself, or puzzle it out with a little help from my friends. LFS is good, but limited to command line stuff in the regular distro. Also I never liked the multiplicity of lists and the prevailing ATTITUDE (my way or the highway). Anyway, it would take a major bombshell to draw me away from gentoo. They are always quite current with updates of stuff that actually works. They're not the first to jump on the bandwagon for the latest KDE or GNOME craze, but as soon as most of the bleeding has stopped, they'll release a package. It took them a few tries to get galeon right, for example, but I'm sure glad I slogged through. Speaking of slogging, the latest koffice install is g++ing along in another window. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One?
[ snips ] On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:06:27 -0500 Douglas J. Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from a newsgroup, but I'd like to know what you all think.. I've copied the author. Please continue to copy on replies... ,--- Forwarded message (begin) Subject: Which One? From: Kurtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:44:35 -0500 I am a SysAdmin, but mainly management, and in an NT/Exchange environment. I will never get good at Linux as a result of hands on, day to day work. I have experience only with RedHat but have not used the GUI except for when I have to, as I want to learn the command-line. I sense that to learn what it is all about, I need to practice a lot, compiling and recompiling kernels (I don't know anything about programming beyond the Hello World stuff; basic shell scripts) and figuring out how to download/install different applications. I'd like to learn VI, Emacs etc., as well. In order to be innovative and try to introduce some features that Linux offers in my work environment, I'd like to be able to use the NSA secure kernel. RH basically sets itself up, which is good. But having described what I want to do I'd like to solicit feedback on which variety of Linux I should try, and maybe specific projects that I could work on to get a good, well-rounded view of Linux. I could use either an old laptop, or P-133 in the corner from work. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Just a few ideas Kurtis: * I'm sure Doug has already let the cat out of the bag: Join our user group (goto http://linux.nf) and make use of the Step by Step site. IT'S A LIFETIME LEARNING LAB. * A P-133 or an old laptop is going to be S-L-O-W going. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of my K6/II300 (originally 64Meg, now 196Meg), but that's as slow as I'd care to go. * I've tried many distros over the past three years, and each has its advotees (on this group as well), but my favorite is the one I currently use (http:www.gentoo.org) - gentoo. You might not like it too well on a P-133, because all the packages are downloaded on the fly and compiled from source. Some of the gui products like KDE and GNOME take upwards of 24 hours to compile on my machine. There is excellent documentation for installing the basic system, but you are your own sysadmin after that. It's a marvelous learning opportunity. * There's certinly nothing wrong with RedHat. You could stick with that and learn about compiling your own kernels, for example. If you have sufficient disk space, you could learn about setting up a multi-boot machine; that has the double advantage of learning and providing you with a playground to experiment. * If you want a simple gui environment to play with, try xfce which I use. Stick around, peruse the archives, and ask questions. Years ago you would get a lot of flak from the group if you asked the sort of newbie questions that I did, but the group has mellowed with time. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
koffice 1.1.1
Well, half of the stuff in kword doesn't work, and they've enable lots of debug messages. Jeez, it was slow enough before. plonk - removing now. I'll stick with open office. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:41:54 + Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2001 15:28, you wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2001 06:56 am,Tim Wunder wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: Hi gang! I'm sure this must have come up before; please bear with me. What's the general approach for solving failed dependencies when the library that rpm cannot find is clearly installed? Specifically, I'm installing rpm-3.0.6-4.i386.rpm and libdb.so.2 cannot be found. But I know it is in /lib. I've done rpm --rebuilddb and updatedb. I'm not going to do --nodeps on rpm and risk having no rpm at all. Thanks! I'd try to find the package that contains libdb.so.2 and re-install that with 'rpm -Uvh --replacefiles'. Oh, I forgot to mention that on my box, libdb.so.2 is a link to libdb1-2.1.2.so Does this confuse rpm?? Who knows? I know I'M confused about RPM. AFAIK, rpm only knows about what rpm installs. If you've loaded a lib via tarball, rpm won't know about it. The problem is that rpm probably wants that file to be somewhere else. Find that, and a symlink fixes it. There are real fancy options with rpm which might help you run this down (Man rpm... read for an hour, try 27 times or use a package manager :), or talk to someone who actually has it running Regards, almost a rant Ah, yes! - those days of RPM hell. It's been about a year now since I ceased to worry about that, although I'm not too sure, memory being the fickle beast it is at my advanced age. Missing dependencies, Red Hat based packages trying to cram themselves into other distros, broken systems, etc., ad nauseum. Then I discovered gentoo, went through a little bit of sysadmin hell until I got the picture, waited hours at the time for gnome and kde to compile, and got a rock-solid, easily maintainable system. I may have to wait a few days for the latest and greatest ebuild package to be made available, but 99% of it works, and if there are missing dependencies, the developers correct the ebuild in short order. emerge rsync (the command to download the new ebuilds base), browse the cvs change log, and install. Almost everything has a backout path (the old version is there until you choose to unmerge (deinstall) it. gentoo won't really take off until they can offer binary packages, but it's shurely been worth the effort for me. Almost everything is a tarball, and gentoo almost always puts things where it and other packages can find them. I'll probably get around to the latest koffice in a few days. Ah bliss! end of almost a rant -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: grub and ext3?
[ snips ] On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:48:22 -0600 John Hiemenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried the ext3 mailing list? In progress now on the grub list. Haven't tried the ext3 list.. - Original Message - From: Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have a definitive answer about grub and ext3 filesystems? -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ssh public key
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:43:03 -0600 Richard R. Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LIST From my family to all on the list, Happy Holidays and be safe. May all of you do better than I, I am told I get a lump of coal. I spend too much time at my computers, g. I'll get a big lump! Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukha (sp?), and a safe Ramadan to any Muslims on the list. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Is this a Caldera list?
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:43:01 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anita Lewis wrote: % Sorry. Possibly a dumb question, but I saw a lot of Caldera stuff here and% just wondered if this list is distro specific. The list and site are distro neutral. See http://linux.nf/ for more information. In particular, This group, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and its companion news group, news.linux.nf, provides a distro neutral forum open to Linux users of all experience and skill set levels. And, after most of the distros have spoken up, I might add a hearty welcome aboard!!! -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: Re: grub and ext3 fs (solved)
Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:28:10 -0700 From: Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: grub and ext3 fs (solved) On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:26:48 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does grub work at all with ext3 fs? I have a multiboot (Win98 and several linux partitions) system with grub 0.90. Everything boots normally using lilo. I built a grub boot floppy (ext2fs fs on the floppy) with the standard boot and grub directories, did the install to fd0 to make it bootable, and added a menu.lst converted from my lilo.conf. The grub floppy will boot windows successfully, but any of my linux boots proceed normally through booting the kernel and starting all daemons (no error messages), but I never get a login prompt. The system does respond to ctl-alt-delete, however. Here's a brief extract from the lilo.conf and the menu.lst files. Windows is on hdc (first ide disk); there is a second ide disk hdd. The linux partitions are /dev/hdc8 (/boot) and /dev/hdc9 (/) and /dev/hdd7 (/boot) and /dev/hdd8 (/). Both have a common /dev/hdc7 (/home) partition. All linux partitions are ext3 with meta-data journaling only and fsck turned off (tune2fs -c 0 -i 0). hda and hdb are cdroms. boot=/dev/hdc install=/boot/boot.b menu-scheme=wb:wm:wb:wb lba32 prompt timeout=50 default=win98 # current on hdd7/8 image=/boot/bzImage-2.4.17-pre8 label=R6K17-8 read-only root=/dev/hdd8 append=hda=ide-scsi hdb-ide-scsi # new on hdc7/8/9 image=/mnt/hdc9/boot/bzImage-2.4.17-pre8 label=N6K17-8 read-only root=/dev/hdc9 append=hda=ide-scsi hdb-ide-scsi other=/dev/hdc1 label=win98 table=/dev/hdc db-ide-scsi timeout 10 default 0 title Win98 root (hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1 title R6K17-8 root=(hd1,6) kernel=/bzImage-2.4.17-pre8 hda=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi root=/dev/hdd8 title N6K17-8 root=(hd0,7) kernel=/bzImage-2.4.17-pre8 hda=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi ro root=/dev/hdc9 Any clues? Well, I got an answer from the grub list, and it works. Our examples (the two I've looked at on the SxS) are wrong. Here's what the real grub stanza for a linux partition looks like title R6K17-8 root (hd1,6) kernel /bzImage-2.4.17-pre8 hda=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi root=/dev/hdd8 ro ie no equals with the root or kernel parameters, and ro only seems to be recognized after the kernel root= parameter. Thanks to those who responded. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
