Re: Back on topic: CLUG Get together tomorrow?
I am sure I will be there where ever that is (out of towner; so a street name and or number and what time at the Twisted Hop. (GPS co-ord if you must but I am not sure if I have cracked that function yet)). Been to one meeting half a year ago and lurked for oh so simply ages so you will have a different face to alter your ego. Coming to Chch for an altogether unrelated (but a relation none the less) reason and so could bring with me a Linux issue or two just in case there is just you and me, like, and if the conversation gets a bit long in the gaps --you know, pays to be prepared, Murphys' in laws and all that, yeah well that should seal the deal, one way or the other ... cheers Kevin Christopher Sawtell wrote: Back on Topic:- Tomorrow is the regular meeting night. How many folks are going to be at the Twisted Hop, Poplar Lane, tomorrow evening? I. E. Is it worth my while going, to meet more that just my alter ego?
Re: Back on topic: CLUG Get together tomorrow?
There were those that mentioned doing it on Thursday night instead. It actually would be better for me on Thursday night. What does everybody else think? Zane -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited: Rangahau Ahumaara Kai Postal Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Private Bag 4704, Christchurch Mail Centre, CHRISTCHURCH 8140 Physical Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Canterbury Agriculture Science Centre, Gerald St, Lincoln 7608 http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- On 8/12/2008 at 4:05 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure I will be there where ever that is (out of towner; so a street name and or number and what time at the Twisted Hop. (GPS co-ord if you must but I am not sure if I have cracked that function yet)). Been to one meeting half a year ago and lurked for oh so simply ages so you will have a different face to alter your ego. Coming to Chch for an altogether unrelated (but a relation none the less) reason and so could bring with me a Linux issue or two just in case there is just you and me, like, and if the conversation gets a bit long in the gaps --you know, pays to be prepared, Murphys' in laws and all that, yeah well that should seal the deal, one way or the other ... cheers Kevin Christopher Sawtell wrote: Back on Topic:- Tomorrow is the regular meeting night. How many folks are going to be at the Twisted Hop, Poplar Lane, tomorrow evening? I. E. Is it worth my while going, to meet more that just my alter ego? The contents of this e-mail are confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce all or any part of this e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Any opinion or views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited.
Re: Back on topic: CLUG Get together tomorrow?
On 08/12/2008, Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were those that mentioned doing it on Thursday night instead. It actually would be better for me on Thursday night. What does everybody else think? Thursday's ok for me. Table booked? -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: Back on topic: CLUG Get together tomorrow?
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 5:20:09 pm Zane Gilmore wrote: There were those that mentioned doing it on Thursday night instead. It actually would be better for me on Thursday night. What does everybody else think? Thursday was, I thought, the day agreed to at the last meeting. Unfortunately I have a funeral to attend. Rob
Re: Back on topic: CLUG Get together tomorrow?
Thats cool, I will just go there on Tuesday night as I have been planning for the last couple of semi-decades and see some of what I might have been missing out on if I could have got there on Thursday, Altered Eegos Toast still on the menu there? Robert Fisher wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 5:20:09 pm Zane Gilmore wrote: There were those that mentioned doing it on Thursday night instead. It actually would be better for me on Thursday night. What does everybody else think? Thursday was, I thought, the day agreed to at the last meeting. Unfortunately I have a funeral to attend. Rob
Re: Regexp talk at CLUG next Tuesday. Need USB keyboard
i can bring the keyboard from my home desktop: it has a double sized backspace and is a standard US layout i believe Rob On 08/02/07, Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it will be easier to use my laptop. Thanks for the offer, though. Carl. On 08/02/07, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can I have a volunteer to bring a USB keyboard please (I don't have one)? And, if I can be so fussy, please make sure it has a double-width backspace key. I will be bringing my ThinkPad, if you'd care to use that you may. And yes it does have a double-width backspace key. -- CS
Re: Regexp talk at CLUG next Tuesday. Need USB keyboard
Thanks robert. On 09/02/07, robert vickerstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can bring the keyboard from my home desktop: it has a double sized backspace and is a standard US layout i believe Rob On 08/02/07, Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it will be easier to use my laptop. Thanks for the offer, though. Carl. On 08/02/07, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can I have a volunteer to bring a USB keyboard please (I don't have one)? And, if I can be so fussy, please make sure it has a double-width backspace key. I will be bringing my ThinkPad, if you'd care to use that you may. And yes it does have a double-width backspace key. -- CS
Re: Regexp talk at CLUG next Tuesday. Need USB keyboard
So can I have a volunteer to bring a USB keyboard please (I don't have one)? And, if I can be so fussy, please make sure it has a double-width backspace key. I will be bringing my ThinkPad, if you'd care to use that you may. And yes it does have a double-width backspace key. -- CS
Re: Regexp talk at CLUG next Tuesday. Need USB keyboard
I think it will be easier to use my laptop. Thanks for the offer, though. Carl. On 08/02/07, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can I have a volunteer to bring a USB keyboard please (I don't have one)? And, if I can be so fussy, please make sure it has a double-width backspace key. I will be bringing my ThinkPad, if you'd care to use that you may. And yes it does have a double-width backspace key. -- CS
Re: [Fwd: Re: Reminder: CLUG meeting - photo handling]
You could try the Party Warehouse on Blenheim Road who have a helium balloons sign out the front... Roger Rik Tindall wrote: PS does anyone know how cheap a small supply of helium is? (balloons)
Re: [Fwd: Re: Reminder: CLUG meeting - photo handling]
Roger Searle wrote: You could try the Party Warehouse on Blenheim Road who have a helium balloons sign out the front... Roger Rik Tindall wrote: PS does anyone know how cheap a small supply of helium is? (balloons) Thanks Roger. Correct track - $56 job - SFD counting. -- Rik
RE: [Fwd: Re: Reminder: CLUG meeting - photo handling]
Got any money from Kevin yet? Need mine? Slainte Gordon Gordon Findlay, Academic IT Manager, Avonmore Tertiary Academy, Christchurch. ph: 03 977 2692 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cares of tomorrow can wait until this day is done. -Original Message- From: Rik Tindall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 September 2006 3:12 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Reminder: CLUG meeting - photo handling] Roger Searle wrote: You could try the Party Warehouse on Blenheim Road who have a helium balloons sign out the front... Roger Rik Tindall wrote: PS does anyone know how cheap a small supply of helium is? (balloons) Thanks Roger. Correct track - $56 job - SFD counting. -- Rik
RE: [Fwd: Re: Reminder: CLUG meeting - photo handling]
Oh shit. Meant to be private. Sorry. Slainte Gordon Gordon Findlay, Academic IT Manager, Avonmore Tertiary Academy, Christchurch. ph: 03 977 2692 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cares of tomorrow can wait until this day is done. Gordon Findlay, Academic IT Manager, Avonmore Tertiary Academy, Christchurch. ph: 03 977 2692 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cares of tomorrow can wait until this day is done. -Original Message- From: Rik Tindall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 September 2006 3:12 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Reminder: CLUG meeting - photo handling] Roger Searle wrote: You could try the Party Warehouse on Blenheim Road who have a helium balloons sign out the front... Roger Rik Tindall wrote: PS does anyone know how cheap a small supply of helium is? (balloons) Thanks Roger. Correct track - $56 job - SFD counting. -- Rik
RE: Re: Schoolzone RE: CLUG is dying
So - do you actually have anything to contribute towards answering the question? -Original Message- From: Don Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:23 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: OT: Re: Schoolzone RE: CLUG is dying Craig FALCONER wrote: Leif - do you have the option of not having your email munted by telecom and schoolzone ? Not trying to sound critical or anything, but schoolzone seems to be utter crap. Cable is far superior, cheaper, faster, etc. Thanks Craig! You made my morning with a light bit of humour!
Re: [SPAM-Bowenvale] Re: CLUG web server changes
Don, putting the tag SPAM in your subject line does not excuse a meaningless post. Or even two meaningless posts in a row. Can I remind people that this list is primarily about GNU/Linux and software that runs under GNU/Linux . Secondarily it covers general FLOSS issues and other free/open unix-like OSes (e.g. the BSD's, HURD, SUN) along with general computing issues IN SO FAR as they relate to Linux/floss/unix-like OSes. Lets all try and keep on topic. On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:52:34 +1200 Don Gould wrote: +e -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MythTV was RE: CLUG meeting topics
I've had some progress with mythtv. Good stuff I can now run the frontend on the backend machine and have it work. Live TV on the backend works (albet at about 5 fps) Programme listings / EPGs download and are processed fine. Mythweather works fine on the backend Problems Live TV on the backend has no sound The programme guide is empty Schedule a recording Mythweather and friends will not install on the frontend machine - complains about libqt3c102-mt.deb being not available. Live TV on the frontend crashes the mythfrontend process. Questions Is it reasonable to have a 802.11g connection to the front end? Is the P3 866 too gutless for this task? It has a Gb of ram. -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 12:04 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: MythTV was RE: CLUG meeting topics On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:08:04 +1300 Craig FALCONER wrote: I use debian This forum is apparently devoted to myth on ubuntu, so may help with debian. Then again it may not! http://www.abarbaccia.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,39/ This may also help http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=NZMythConfig I would be willing to set up a NZ mythtv mailing list if you really think it is needed. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MythTV was RE: CLUG meeting topics
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 10:08, Craig FALCONER wrote: I am having problems with the mysql backend - I get errors like client cannot authenticate to database, upgrade your client Everything is mysql 4.1.14, which is the latest. This sounds like the client is trying to use the old MySql PASSWORD() function and the server is expecting the new PASSWORD() function (it changed in MySql 4.1). Have a look through your my.cnf for old_passwords and make sure it is set to 1. HTH. hads -- For perfect happiness, remember two things: (1) Be content with what you've got. (2) Be sure you've got plenty.
Re: MythTV was RE: CLUG meeting topics
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 10:14, Hadley Rich wrote:
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 10:08, Craig FALCONER wrote:
I am having problems with the mysql backend - I get errors like client
cannot authenticate to database, upgrade your client
Everything is mysql 4.1.14, which is the latest.
This sounds like the client is trying to use the old MySql PASSWORD()
function and the server is expecting the new PASSWORD() function (it
changed in MySql 4.1).
Have a look through your my.cnf for old_passwords and make sure it is set
to 1.
Excuse the self reply, I hit send a little early.
Either that or set an old style password for the particular account you are
using to connect to MySql. Something like this will do the trick:
SET PASSWORD FOR 'some_user'@'some_host' = OLD_PASSWORD('thepwd');
Don't forget to flush privileges afterwards.
You can find more info on this here
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/password-hashing.html
HTH
hads
--
The glair is the white (or clear) part of an egg. Glair comes from the
Latin clarus, meaning clear.
Re: MythTV was RE: CLUG meeting topics
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:08:04 +1300 Craig FALCONER wrote: I am having problems with the mysql backend - I get errors like client cannot authenticate to database, upgrade your client Everything is mysql 4.1.14, which is the latest. Not heard of that one before. Is that error on the remote frontend box or the main box? About the only stuff not stored in the mysql database is the small file that tells the frontend where to find the backend, including the mysql username and password (by default mythtv:mythtv). This is stored in a file that is in the home dorectory of the user who is running the front end, so make sure that you are using the same user each time on the front end. (or make sure each fron tend user has the right info). Sorry i cannot recall exactly where this is stored off the top of my head, its something like ~/.mythtv/ The mythtv-user mailing list is quite good, albeit high volume. They have a good searchable archive, and someone even wrote a fireflox search plugin for it recently. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?list=mythtv I'm running debian unstable. I also suspect the P3 won't have the balls to do the job. I have a epia M9000 (900 MHZ) but then again my tv card does hardware compression to mpeg2. Other solved issues involved getting the New Zealand EPG to work. Both MrGeek and the OnTV listings work but you have to overwrite a tv_grab_someothercountry script in /usr/bin/ Ahh yes a real pain NZ epg's. MrGeek has a good one that covers sky digital or the terrestial channels, but sometimes it just stops working for days at a time. I actually patched mythtv source to include his NZ epg script. The lifeview TV card itself was detected perfectly first time with no config required - I was astonished. It also works fine with xawtv running locally. xawtv even works to a remote X display, albet quite slow and with no sound. Yeah i have done that, over 802.11b it is a REAL dog. Amusing but not really worth more than the geek value! -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 9:11 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: CLUG meeting topics On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:57:16 +1300 Craig FALCONER wrote: Mythtv is almost worth a NZ mailing list on its own! I'm trying a (budget) lifeview card in a P3 866 backend, with another machine inside as a frontend. Its... complex. What is? -Original Message- From: sirlancelot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:53 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: CLUG meeting topics I for one would be keen on a repeat of the Myth TV and diskless computers demo's, at the very least. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MythTV was RE: CLUG meeting topics
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:08:04 +1300 Craig FALCONER wrote: I use debian This forum is apparently devoted to myth on ubuntu, so may help with debian. Then again it may not! http://www.abarbaccia.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,39/ This may also help http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=NZMythConfig I would be willing to set up a NZ mythtv mailing list if you really think it is needed. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nmap tutorial, was RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Is this url still valid or has it changed. I did not see anything about it on our wiki. On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:42, C. Falconer wrote: http://shell.canterbury.lug.net.nz:8080/nmap.html Of course you can use nmap from any machine - but you can't test the outside of your firewall from the inside. -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 7:17 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin How about this newbie suggestion . . . I don't know much about nmap or ssh but am thinking some of these things should be high on the list to get some practical experience with. So... some of us newbies request an account on horse with the intention of using this as a learning exercise. One or more of the more experienced members who are so inclined propose a simple exercise with say ssh or some other potential use for horse, and we try it out? Roger C. Falconer wrote: Yes - the home partition is ~18 Gb You can ssh and scp to the machine - if theres demand I'll look at other methods. -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 10:17 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:54, C. Falconer wrote: ... Anyone add more ... A small amount of off-site backup space perhaps? -- Robert Fisher (aka - Rob, Bob, Robbie, Robbo, Fish) FishNet Computer Services www.fisher.net.nz
Re: Nmap tutorial, was RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
keep your eyes open Rob that server is now known as shell.clug.org.nz On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 12:41 +1200, Robert Fisher wrote: Is this url still valid or has it changed. I did not see anything about it on our wiki. On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:42, C. Falconer wrote: http://shell.canterbury.lug.net.nz:8080/nmap.html -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HEADS UP next CLUG meeting Sawtell Stew
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:43, Nick Rout wrote: A Desktop Potpourri === Chris Sawtell is one of our older members, but still seems to be able to remember his root AND user passwords! It's a bit hard to get out of Chris exactly what he is going to do, and he's too busy preparing slides to get any sense out of! The best description seems to be his last email to me which describes it as: It'll be generally about the KDE desktop. I'm going to show off Audacity, but there will be particular emphasis on getting ink on paper. - I know that Chris has spent a lot of time on Desktop Publishing programs like Scribus, Inkscape, Kile, LyX, TeX, and LaTeX. Like Blender, some of these programs have a steep initial lerning curve, but you will be well rewarded once you get past first base. Its great to see a contribution from someone as old^h^h^hexperienced as Chris, lets have a big turnout to support him! He makes it sound like a uber-geek typesetter convention. Well it's not. It's a demo of the typesetters and source code for the systems other than those of the ubiquitous Office whysiwyg kind. ( That talk is coming up in May ) I'm just going to give folks a look at a short slideshow - Yes there are a few pictures of the people involved - I'm preparing in Scribus. There will be a few out-takes to see the programs go. Then I'll answer questions as best I can. TeX uber-geeks in the audience are welcome to help. You don't even _need_ to use the bash CLI. ( But you may :-) -- C. S.
Re: HEADS UP next CLUG meeting Sawtell Stew
Lynda has produced several dozen of two different types of small cream cakes. I understand that the plain ones are going to be filled with whipped vanilla cream and raspberry jam, while the chocolate ones will have a chocolate and hazelnut butter cream. Unbelievable, I'm coming, man, who cares about the talks... ;)) Volker PS With camera. If you bring the recipes we can make an illustrated cookbook... -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: HEADS UP next CLUG meeting Sawtell Stew
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:43, Nick Rout wrote: Supper == Due to a few costs we thought that instead of supplying supper, we would supply tea and coffee, and ask members to bring a plate - now don't do anything fancy, just the half packet of bikkies you have in the cupboard will be fine. Remember it's like pot luck dinner, you don't have to feed everyone, just a few nibbles is fine. Lynda has produced several dozen of two different types of small cream cakes. I understand that the plain ones are going to be filled with whipped vanilla cream and raspberry jam, while the chocolate ones will have a chocolate and hazelnut butter cream. We fully expect that the locusts will form an orderly queue for the above and the sausage rolls and small eclairs. :-) A _purely voluntary donation_ would be appreciated, but those financially embarrassed should not feel obligated in any way. -- C. C. S.
Re: HEADS UP next CLUG meeting Sawtell Stew
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 01:43:00PM +1300, Nick Rout wrote: Blender Caleb Sawtell A Desktop Potpourri Chris Sawtell Supper ... when i read this i thought now supper would have to come frim mrs. sawtell and then chris writes: On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 04:14:18PM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Lynda has produced several dozen of two different types of small cream cakes. the whole evening by the sawtell family, gee, i'd love to be there! greetings, martin. -- cooperative communication with sTeam - caudium, pike, roxen and unix offering: programming, training and administration - anywhere in the world -- pike programmer travelling and working in europe open-steam.org unix system- bahai.or.atiaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (caudium|gotpike).org is.schon.org Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: HEADS UP next CLUG meeting Sawtell Stew
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:14:18 +1300, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:43, Nick Rout wrote: Supper == Due to a few costs we thought that instead of supplying supper, we would supply tea and coffee, and ask members to bring a plate - now don't do anything fancy, just the half packet of bikkies you have in the cupboard will be fine. Remember it's like pot luck dinner, you don't have to feed everyone, just a few nibbles is fine. Just wondering is there any Coco or hot-chocolate? If there isnt I will try to bring some. Lynda has produced several dozen of two different types of small cream cakes. I understand that the plain ones are going to be filled with whipped vanilla cream and raspberry jam, while the chocolate ones will have a chocolate and hazelnut butter cream. Please pass on mine and the list's thanks. We fully expect that the locusts will form an orderly queue for the above and the sausage rolls and small eclairs. :-) Well they are delicious -- --Ben Devine
Re: HEADS UP next CLUG meeting Sawtell Stew
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:28, Martin Bähr wrote: the whole evening by the sawtell family, gee, i'd love to be there! I'll try to get some pictures taken, no promises mind. Could somebody bring a camera so Martin Lynda can see what we get up to? -- C. S.
Re: FW: Re: 1st CLUG AGM
Robert Fisher wrote: Further (clarification) to my motion yesterday, I would like to make the analogy of CLUG as a family. I.E. The rules are unwritten. We respect each other. If a brother pisses us off we can politely tell him (but we still love him). If the family really pisses us off we do not turn up for Christmas dinner. Food for thought IMO This is good Rob (though a little twee :-/ ). We need to be able to correct good keen members if they hack us off. We even need to be able to occasionally vent our spleen at each other as some of us are wont to do. I'm saying this out of pure selfishness as I do enjoy most of our meetings and Rik has the energy to arrange them. His tendency to say things in the wrong way can tend to get peoples back up (myself included) but I don't think we should throw out the baby with the bathwater. -- Zane Gilmore, Analyst / Programmer Information Services Section, Information Technology Dept, University of Canterbury - Te Whare Waananga o Waitaha Private Bag 4800, Christchurch New Zealand Phone +64-3-364 2987 extn 7895
Re: FW: Re: 1st CLUG AGM
Thanks Rob List, I've really felt this today - our international movement's central aspect: Thanks for fixing my bug for me. - Fewer * rough edges appreciated, (* includes me). You well facilitate Linux as a choice of career. Cheers, Rik Robert Fisher wrote: -Original Message- From: Carl Cerecke Perhaps Rik's push for the CLUG to be something else (I'm really not sure what, exactly) is caused by his conflict of interest (he makes money supporting Linux). Cheers, Carl. Further (clarification) to my motion yesterday, I would like to make the analogy of CLUG as a family. I.E. The rules are unwritten. We respect each other. If a brother pisses us off we can politely tell him (but we still love him). If the family really pisses us off we do not turn up for Christmas dinner. Food for thought Rob.
Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
How about this newbie suggestion . . . I don't know much about nmap or ssh but am thinking some of these things should be high on the list to get some practical experience with. So... some of us newbies request an account on horse with the intention of using this as a learning exercise. One or more of the more experienced members who are so inclined propose a simple exercise with say ssh or some other potential use for horse, and we try it out? Roger C. Falconer wrote: Yes - the home partition is ~18 Gb You can ssh and scp to the machine - if theres demand I'll look at other methods. -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 10:17 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:54, C. Falconer wrote: ... Anyone add more ... A small amount of off-site backup space perhaps?
RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Okay - I'll work up something. -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 7:17 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin I don't know much about nmap or ssh but am thinking some of these things should be high on the list to get some practical experience with.
Nmap tutorial, was RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
http://shell.canterbury.lug.net.nz:8080/nmap.html Of course you can use nmap from any machine - but you can't test the outside of your firewall from the inside. -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 7:17 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin How about this newbie suggestion . . . I don't know much about nmap or ssh but am thinking some of these things should be high on the list to get some practical experience with. So... some of us newbies request an account on horse with the intention of using this as a learning exercise. One or more of the more experienced members who are so inclined propose a simple exercise with say ssh or some other potential use for horse, and we try it out? Roger C. Falconer wrote: Yes - the home partition is ~18 Gb You can ssh and scp to the machine - if theres demand I'll look at other methods. -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 10:17 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:54, C. Falconer wrote: ... Anyone add more ... A small amount of off-site backup space perhaps?
Re: Nmap tutorial, was RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Great link, very helpful, thanks Craig. Regards, Rik C. Falconer wrote: http://shell.canterbury.lug.net.nz:8080/nmap.html Of course you can use nmap from any machine - but you can't test the outside of your firewall from the inside. -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [clip]
Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:54, C. Falconer wrote: ... Anyone add more ... A small amount of off-site backup space perhaps? -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Yes - the home partition is ~18 Gb You can ssh and scp to the machine - if theres demand I'll look at other methods. -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 10:17 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:54, C. Falconer wrote: ... Anyone add more ... A small amount of off-site backup space perhaps? -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Hi Craig, I would not mind being a user on horse. Username = robert Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: C. Falconer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 9:55 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin Here's an incomplete list of what you might want to do with an account... 1) You want to get to a web site at www.foo.net however your home net connection cannot connect. People on the mailing list/IRC say that the site is working. You could ssh to horse and see if its your connection or your ISP that is faulty. 2) You've made a change to the DNS for mydomain.geek.nz, but your ISP has cached the old DNS record. You want to make sure its working so check it with a quick host command from somewhere else on the net. 3) You've just installed IP cop 1.4 and want to nmap yourself from the outside. 4) You want somewhere to host a linuxy web page. 5) Test a threaded app on a multi-CPU box. 6) Traceroute to your IP or another site to help diagnose internet problems. ... Anyone add more ... Later stuff: Email aliases - [EMAIL PROTECTED] redirect to whatever address you want CVS server ... Anyone add more ... It's a tool, and a privelage for being a member of CLUG -Original Message- From: Brendan Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2004 10:04 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin Hi This is a newbie question. What would a person want an account on another machine for?
RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Oops! Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 11:11 a.m. To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin Hi Craig, I would not mind being a user on horse. Username = robert Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: C. Falconer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 9:55 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Why? RE: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin Here's an incomplete list of what you might want to do with an account... 1) You want to get to a web site at www.foo.net however your home net connection cannot connect. People on the mailing list/IRC say that the site is working. You could ssh to horse and see if its your connection or your ISP that is faulty. 2) You've made a change to the DNS for mydomain.geek.nz, but your ISP has cached the old DNS record. You want to make sure its working so check it with a quick host command from somewhere else on the net. 3) You've just installed IP cop 1.4 and want to nmap yourself from the outside. 4) You want somewhere to host a linuxy web page. 5) Test a threaded app on a multi-CPU box. 6) Traceroute to your IP or another site to help diagnose internet problems. ... Anyone add more ... Later stuff: Email aliases - [EMAIL PROTECTED] redirect to whatever address you want CVS server ... Anyone add more ... It's a tool, and a privelage for being a member of CLUG -Original Message- From: Brendan Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2004 10:04 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin Hi This is a newbie question. What would a person want an account on another machine for?
Re: horse, was RE: CLUG and the yellow-eyed penguin
Hi This is a newbie question. What would a person want an account on another machine for? Brendan Greer C. Falconer wrote: Right that's all up and working. If you want an account on the machine please check out the web pages at http://shell.canterbury.lug.net.nz:8080/ (specifically the AUP) Then email me a username and I'll take it from there.
RE: Yast going GPL - CLUG
On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:35, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Presbyopia is an age-associated progressive loss of the focusing power of the lens. This results in difficulty seeing objects close-up. Arf arf! Thanks Rob :-/ (aren't you older than me? :-) -- Regards, Zane Gilmore (Linux nerd since 1998) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.:- A.C.Clark
RE: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Yes and I just got new lenses for my reading glasses. (That's why I knew how to spell Presbyopia) Regards, Robert Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -Original Message- From: Zane Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 11:33 p.m. To: Linux_list Subject:RE: Yast going GPL - CLUG On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:35, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Presbyopia is an age-associated progressive loss of the focusing power of the lens. This results in difficulty seeing objects close-up. Arf arf! Thanks Rob :-/ (aren't you older than me? :-) -- Regards, Zane Gilmore (Linux nerd since 1998) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.:- A.C.Clark
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Errr.. According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks away. Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 19:43, InfoHelp wrote: Thanks Volker, I'll nab that booking for CLUG tomorrow. I'd be glad to have the installation (esp 9.1) on my lappie, so long as current partitions are preserved. P4-2.66G 512MB. How much space req'd max? Any hardware declines? (This is the big Q.) Yes Dave, 7.30pm is the usual start time - unless there's call for a change here. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Time to register enthusiasm guys.. Volker Cheers ~/rik -- Regards, Zane Gilmore (Linux nerd since 1998) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.:- A.C.Clark
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Zane Gilmore wrote: Errr.. According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks away. Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) No. Is that a 2004 calender you're viewing Zane? -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
6 may is a thursday and i just realised i cannot be there on that date. If thats an immovable date i won't rock the boat, but if it can be another day i'd like to make it. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:03, InfoHelp wrote: Zane Gilmore wrote: Errr.. According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks away. Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) No. Is that a 2004 calender you're viewing Zane?
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Hi Nick, Nick Rout wrote: 6 may is a thursday and i just realised i cannot be there on that date. If thats an immovable date i won't rock the boat, but if it can be another day i'd like to make it. We're working round Volker's timetable. His options are: Thurs 15 April, Thurs 6 (13th, 20th Mon 31st excluded) May, Tues 29 Weds 30 June It's up to him ( other voters). Cheers ~/rik -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Hi chaps, I am getting a bit confused here. Are we having a clug meeting tomorrow on this or sometime later? Cheers Madhusudhan InfoHelp wrote: Hi Nick, Nick Rout wrote: 6 may is a thursday and i just realised i cannot be there on that date. If thats an immovable date i won't rock the boat, but if it can be another day i'd like to make it. We're working round Volker's timetable. His options are: Thurs 15 April, Thurs 6 (13th, 20th Mon 31st excluded) May, Tues 29 Weds 30 June It's up to him ( other voters). Cheers ~/rik
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
We are voting in support of an upcoming date for a meeting - 6th May, or later.. Nothing in March, sorry. Madhusudhan Rajagopal wrote: Hi chaps, I am getting a bit confused here. Are we having a clug meeting tomorrow on this or sometime later? Cheers Madhusudhan InfoHelp wrote: Hi Nick, Nick Rout wrote: 6 may is a thursday and i just realised i cannot be there on that date. If thats an immovable date i won't rock the boat, but if it can be another day i'd like to make it. We're working round Volker's timetable. His options are: Thurs 15 April, Thurs 6 (13th, 20th Mon 31st excluded) May, Tues 29 Weds 30 June It's up to him ( other voters). Cheers ~/rik -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
I can make it any day of the week. 15 Apr is very likely too early for me. I picked May to increase the chances of having 9.1. You find a date ;) Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
I'd love to see the other major European distro. Count me in. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:05, you wrote: Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Volker -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
RE: Yast going GPL - CLUG
I am interested. Regards, Robert Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -Original Message- From: Volker Kuhlmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 7:06 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
RE: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Hey Zane, forget the calculations, just look at a calendar. Regards, Robert Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -Original Message- From: Zane Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 7:49 p.m. To: Linux_list Subject:Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG Errr.. According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks away. Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 19:43, InfoHelp wrote: Thanks Volker, I'll nab that booking for CLUG tomorrow. I'd be glad to have the installation (esp 9.1) on my lappie, so long as current partitions are preserved. P4-2.66G 512MB. How much space req'd max? Any hardware declines? (This is the big Q.) Yes Dave, 7.30pm is the usual start time - unless there's call for a change here. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Time to register enthusiasm guys.. Volker Cheers ~/rik -- Regards, Zane Gilmore (Linux nerd since 1998) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.:- A.C.Clark
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Doh! I was looking at June :-/ I need to be more careful looking at that little calendar thingy in KDE InfoHelp wrote: Zane Gilmore wrote: Errr.. According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks away. Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) No. Is that a 2004 calender you're viewing Zane? -- Zane Gilmore, Analyst / Programmer Information Services Section, Information Technology Dept, University of Canterbury - Te Whare Waananga o Waitaha Private Bag 4800, Christchurch New Zealand Phone +64-3-364 2987 extn 7895
RE: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Presbyopia is an age-associated progressive loss of the focusing power of the lens. This results in difficulty seeing objects close-up. Regards, Robert Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -Original Message- From: Zane Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 9:33 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG Doh! I was looking at June :-/ I need to be more careful looking at that little calendar thingy in KDE InfoHelp wrote: Zane Gilmore wrote: Errr.. According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks away. Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) No. Is that a 2004 calender you're viewing Zane? -- Zane Gilmore, Analyst / Programmer Information Services Section, Information Technology Dept, University of Canterbury - Te Whare Waananga o Waitaha Private Bag 4800, Christchurch New Zealand Phone +64-3-364 2987 extn 7895
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG Suse demo + Gentoo
Hi folks, After much head-scratching, consulting Volker's busy timetable, I have booked us in for the Sydenham Community Centre hall, 25 Hucheson St, for Thursday evening 6th May. Sorry Nick. Our next available date (including Volker) is Wednesday 30th June - I have booked that too. This gives us something to work with, should Suse 9.1 not be available on the 6th, interest be ongoing. Minimum spec = 7.30pm 6/5/4 Suse 8.2 demo install. Thanks for helping us out Volker. Another thought I had was to repeat the all day Gentoo Installfest one Saturday - the hall is currently free 29 May, 3 24 31 July, 7 28 Aug .. @$5 per hour, if we charged that per client machine, 8 clients covers 8 hours (less tea etc). These evenings aren't booked either, should it be a lengthy process. Anyone keen? Cheers ~/newbie/rik Nick Rout wrote: 6 may is a thursday and i just realised i cannot be there on that date. If thats an immovable date i won't rock the boat, but if it can be another day i'd like to make it. -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Thanks Volker, no problem. We'd be glad to hear you speak whenever it suits you. Those of us who've never seen Suse running would be quite happy with an 8.2 demo, as it's your insight into Suse's ongoing innovations that we are most interested in. That said, once some hardware a projector are in booked in, you need not worry about lots of preparation for us. It will be fascinating subject-matter regardless. (Please pardon any presumption in those statements CLUG :-) Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Not before 14 Apr or after 7 May, hard limits, sorry (late Jun ok again). The 9.1 I would expect to be on the shelves by early May, otherwise I could only demo 8.2 as I never installed 9.0 (no time). The 8.2 would be 12 months out of date. Volker We also have these dates to choose from at present: Thurs 15 April, Thurs 6 May, Tues 29 Weds 30 June. Hope there is something to suit you. In anticipation, ~/newbie/rik -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
no go for it, is this to be a demo of an installation, or a running system? If the latter then I guess it will focus on stuff that is peculiar to SuSE, as we have obviously all seen a running linux distro before Having said that there is plenty to show off on a running SuSE distro, the setup and installation tools are very good. Well worth a look. I am looking forward to this :-) Someone asked why the iso's are not put up on the net unofficially, ie by happy SuSErs who want to share. The point is you either have to copy each cd to an iso, or build your own iso system from an ftp archive. Would you trust someone else to do this when there are probably no published md5sums for home made iso's?? Far easier to get a friend to burn a straight copy disc to disc. sneakernet still has its uses, 8 cd iso's or 2 dvd's is a big download. I might try an ftp install for fun at home. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:49:32 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Volker, no problem. We'd be glad to hear you speak whenever it suits you. Those of us who've never seen Suse running would be quite happy with an 8.2 demo, as it's your insight into Suse's ongoing innovations that we are most interested in. That said, once some hardware a projector are in booked in, you need not worry about lots of preparation for us. It will be fascinating subject-matter regardless. (Please pardon any presumption in those statements CLUG :-) Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Not before 14 Apr or after 7 May, hard limits, sorry (late Jun ok again). The 9.1 I would expect to be on the shelves by early May, otherwise I could only demo 8.2 as I never installed 9.0 (no time). The 8.2 would be 12 months out of date. Volker We also have these dates to choose from at present: Thurs 15 April, Thurs 6 May, Tues 29 Weds 30 June. Hope there is something to suit you. In anticipation, ~/newbie/rik -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8 -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:05, you wrote: I´d be interested in attending. time 7:30pm ??? dave. Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Volker
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
Thanks Volker, I'll nab that booking for CLUG tomorrow. I'd be glad to have the installation (esp 9.1) on my lappie, so long as current partitions are preserved. P4-2.66G 512MB. How much space req'd max? Any hardware declines? (This is the big Q.) Yes Dave, 7.30pm is the usual start time - unless there's call for a change here. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nick, you're onto it again ;) Thurs 6 May sounds good to me, with 9.1 if I can source a copy at least 2 days before, otherwise 8.2. Whether it'd be worth waiting until end Jun to have 9.1 is something the audience would have to decide. There's no point in showing Linux, we've all seen it, so focussing on suse specifics would be a good idea. That's mainly the installer, the system config, and a few bits of desktop stuff (not including open office or the latest KDE - that's the same everywhere). A demo-install would be good. Does anyone have a spare fast computer ( Duron 600) for that? Watching the progress bar for 15-20min can get a tad boring, though I could answer questions if I have the/an answer. Question: is there enough interest? Time to register enthusiasm guys.. Volker Cheers ~/rik -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 05:32, Carl Cerecke wrote: Fixing of problems is the main use of this mailing-list. Although fixing things often works better face-to-face if you have someone who knows what they are doing, hte mailing list still serves as a very valid and useful forum for problem diagnoses and solution suggestions. Therefore, I would prefer meetings to consists of things that a mailing list doesn't easily provide: 1. Talks (guest speakers etc.) 2. Demos 3. Socialisation. rather than fix-it-up workshops, for which the mailing list can often be an effective substitute. I still wouldn't rule out a FixItFest though. Many people have trouble with coming out on a mailing list because everything is seemingly recorded for ever. What also gets in the way is that the written word of a mailinglist is more formal than a meet-and-greet which tends to be more of a social occasion. For reasons such as these, it can be a lot easier for people to bring forth such queries in a live situation at a FixItFest. -- Paul Wilkins
RE: Purpose of the CLUG
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 22:27, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Do a google search for finance packages for Linux I've already done that, which is why I'm coming forward with the query. WHat I'm after is other peoples experiences and reccomendations of Linux accounting programs. Even a pointer to a good website that covers such things. -- Paul Wilkins
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 21:27, Carl Cerecke wrote: As a general rule of thumb, if you aren't close to the answer within 5 minutes of competent googling, then ask away. We certainly don't want to put newcomers off asking questions, otherwise it might turn in to some elitist linux-experts group. Nobody wants, nor benefits, from that. Alright then, here's a couple that I've failed to successfully google for. By way of background, I have recently provided a strategy guide for America's Army to many forums, (no answers, just guidelines), and have provided a patch so that the FirebirdHelp extension works properly with user profiles, but that means nothing. The system that I'm using is a homebuilt AMD 2.5G with 512 of ram, Geforce2 Ti, 60G+40G HDD, 52x52x52x LG CDRW, DVD, with cable modem. I don't know how much of that will be of any use, but there we go. After logging in I always receive three identical warning messages. They being Could not find mime type application/octet-stream. When the warning messages appear there is nothing showing on the desktop. After clearing the top two warnings the Home icon appears, when the last is cleared everything else loads as per normal. The same message appears whenever a new Konquerer task is created. It doesn't appear when doing a new window from an already existing window. How do I resolve this. I don't want to reinstall Mandrake because I most likely will perform the same tasks that I currently am, and with no knowledge of how this issue came to be I won't be able to prevent it in the future, nor provide answers for others with similar troubles. -- Paul Wilkins
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07, pmw57 wrote: After logging in I always receive three identical warning messages. They being Could not find mime type application/octet-stream. OK, so you a loading KDE or Konqueror when you get this message. To solve this problem: 1) open konqueror (dismiss the warnings) 2) click Settings then Configure Konqueror... 3) click on the File Associations button/icon 4) click the Add... button 5) change the Group to application, type octet-stream into the Type name field 6) Press OK 7) change the icon/description to suit your taste. Don't touch the filename patterns though. 8) press OK That should fix it. If it doesn't then you may need to reinstall the package that has the MIME type files for KDE. It is not common to get that error. Hope this helps Later Lee Begg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAD6OypAHGV7d5I9kRApRvAJ0RwbFYOfLhUoXAyI7LmMtR00NSoQCffvyX Lj5sZnSgQDfQg6jHHkkqnrk= =2f1u -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 12:19, Lee Begg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07, pmw57 wrote: After logging in I always receive three identical warning messages. They being Could not find mime type application/octet-stream. OK, so you a loading KDE or Konqueror when you get this message. To solve this problem: create octet-stream file association That should fix it. If it doesn't then you may need to reinstall the package that has the MIME type files for KDE. It is not common to get that error. Hope this helps Way-hey! it's easy when you know how. But that's the trouble. Finding out how to know when you don't in the first place, there's the rub that first time experiences with troubles brings you in to. For example, I'm having trouble getting GNUCash to work something like MYOB, so what other business accounting programs are there out ther for Linux that are suitible for an office situation? -- Paul Wilkins
RE: Purpose of the CLUG
Do a google search for finance packages for Linux Regards, Robert What Do Fish Say When They Hit a Concrete Wall? Dam! -Original Message- From: pmw57 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 2:26 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Purpose of the CLUG On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 12:19, Lee Begg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07, pmw57 wrote: After logging in I always receive three identical warning messages. They being Could not find mime type application/octet-stream. OK, so you a loading KDE or Konqueror when you get this message. To solve this problem: create octet-stream file association That should fix it. If it doesn't then you may need to reinstall the package that has the MIME type files for KDE. It is not common to get that error. Hope this helps Way-hey! it's easy when you know how. But that's the trouble. Finding out how to know when you don't in the first place, there's the rub that first time experiences with troubles brings you in to. For example, I'm having trouble getting GNUCash to work something like MYOB, so what other business accounting programs are there out ther for Linux that are suitible for an office situation? -- Paul Wilkins
RE: Purpose of the CLUG
(encouraged by these postings, I'll add my 5cents worth - since 2cents
isn't legal tender anymore).
-Original Message-
From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:26
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Purpose of the CLUG
(encouraged by Douglas's first posting, here's mine)
{snip}
--
Preamble:
Note to Roger Douglas - I have asked a question on here and yes it was
a stupid question (in that it *really* displayed my ignorance) but I was
pointed in the right direction and given enough information to not only
sort out my problem but get some ideas for some consequential system
improvements.
Background:
I have linux installed as a server in my home network - Pentium II
Celeron 300Mhz, 60Gb HD 320Mb RAM running Mandrake 9.2. My three kids
each have an AMD 1.3Ghz 40Gb computer running either Windows 98 or XP
Pro (my son upgraded his computer to reduce the crashes when running his
games). I have three old pentium 120Mhz machines with 500K or 1Gb HD
(24 - 40Mb RAM). I had the 24Mb 500K one of these set up as an IPCop
firewall connected to jetstream router, one that was connected to the
orange interface that I wanted to be a mailserver (never got near w,
and the last was going to be my linux command line play machine. I've
moved to West Melton and can't get jetstream. My new home may not be
easy to run network cable around. For my new business I bought a
Brother MFC5200 fax/printer/scanner. So I'm a bit of a geek, but like
others attempting to get that stinking M$ outta the house it's an
uphill battle.
Discussion:
The biggest difficulty I have is working out what I need to get the
result I want. The mail server for example: I wanted something that
worked like M$ exchange - recieve all the mail from the internet (my ISP
had my domain pointed to my static IP address) then be a pop server to
the local network. I looked at several Howtos that seemed like they
might be the right thing but none were exactly what I wanted and I'm
still too much of a newbie to work out from them how to do what I want.
So I don't know what packages I should be trying to get running, let
alone how to configure them.
Suggestion:
What would be most useful to me in terms of a meeting would be a Linux
solutions session. Someone comes up with a desired setup and several
people state how they would use linux in this situation. So I could
provide the list of available hardware, what I'd like to achieve with
it, my resources to set it up (whether I have a budget for more
hardware...) and end up with a few potential system designs. Existing
experts would get the opportunity to expound on their favourite
distributions etc, and get ideas from others on how to make things
work. The desired setups can be as simple or complicated as there are
people prepared to come to a meeting.
regards
Kerry.
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track
to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (just like at an
installfest), but with something they want to achieve, e.g. Install
Linux on this Windows machine; Set up a mail server for my home network;
Set up a photo album and download photos from this digital camera; ...
Douglas.
Kerry Mayes wrote:
(encouraged by these postings, I'll add my 5cents worth - since 2cents
isn't legal tender anymore).
{snip}
Discussion:
The biggest difficulty I have is working out what I need to get the
result I want. The mail server for example: I wanted something that
worked like M$ exchange - recieve all the mail from the internet (my ISP
had my domain pointed to my static IP address) then be a pop server to
the local network. I looked at several Howtos that seemed like they
might be the right thing but none were exactly what I wanted and I'm
still too much of a newbie to work out from them how to do what I want.
So I don't know what packages I should be trying to get running, let
alone how to configure them.
Suggestion:
What would be most useful to me in terms of a meeting would be a Linux
solutions session. Someone comes up with a desired setup and several
people state how they would use linux in this situation. So I could
provide the list of available hardware, what I'd like to achieve with
it, my resources to set it up (whether I have a budget for more
hardware...) and end up with a few potential system designs. Existing
experts would get the opportunity to expound on their favourite
distributions etc, and get ideas from others on how to make things
work. The desired setups can be as simple or complicated as there are
people prepared to come to a meeting.
regards
Kerry.
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Now this is an idea I _really_ like, makes me even more desperate to move my wife and I down to Christchurch!!! (now if only we could find work to enable this to happen). This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (just like at an installfest), but with something they want to achieve, e.g. Install Linux on this Windows machine; Set up a mail server for my home network; Set up a photo album and download photos from this digital camera; ...
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
This is where we started the conversation. One of my points in initiating this discussion was that not many people were attending/supporting the workshop sessions. And that includes both patients and doctors. So it looks as if there are still some problems out there that people want fixed/sorted in a workshop type session. Some are bigger than what we have usually handled (so far they have usually been hardware glitches (like the guy who's soundcard wouldn't go until he plugged the speakers into the right socket LOL). booting problems, quite specific sort of stuff that could be fixed (or not) in a 2-3 hour session. Maybe people want bigger projects like setting up a mail server. That might be better handled at the OSTC, maybe not. I am willing in any event to help with that sort of thing, remembering of course that there is no _right_ way to do undertake such a project. maybe a full day job? On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:50:52 +1300 Douglas Royds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (just like at an installfest), but with something they want to achieve, e.g. Install Linux on this Windows machine; Set up a mail server for my home network; Set up a photo album and download photos from this digital camera; ... Douglas. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Nick Rout wrote: This is where we started the conversation. One of my points in initiating this discussion was that not many people were attending/supporting the workshop sessions. And that includes both patients and doctors. Fixing of problems is the main use of this mailing-list. Although fixing things often works better face-to-face if you have someone who knows what they are doing, hte mailing list still serves as a very valid and useful forum for problem diagnoses and solution suggestions. Therefore, I would prefer meetings to consists of things that a mailing list doesn't easily provide: 1. Talks (guest speakers etc.) 2. Demos 3. Socialisation. rather than fix-it-up workshops, for which the mailing list can often be an effective substitute. Note that 1 and 2 above generally require a bit more work on the part of the presenter, and I'm not suggesting that we eliminate fix-it-up workshops altogether. Since I suggested it, it would be cowardly of me not to volunteer to do a talk :-) I'll do a talk entitled A taste of LaTeX. (The title is the most well-developed part of the talk so far :-). I'm crazily busy for Jan and Feb, so make it April or later. Any other volunteers? It doesn't have to be long. Even a 20-30min demo of nifty-app would be good. Michael J, what about that talk on filesystems? Cheers, Carl.
RE: Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following.
I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of RAM 1.3gb
hard drive. I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so that I can use it for
word processing (Abiword) and checking webmail etc, while connected via my home
network (56k modem on my main box).
Question is - should I use an old distro with a 2.2 kernel and KDE1 or 2 or use more
uptodate Debian (ie one of the cutdown Knoppix versions) and a lightwieght window
manager - fluxbox or similar, what do people think?
I might add that I have tried damn Small Linux and have had trouble with the mouse -
basically wouldn't (read like mollasses) move.
I have been trying to load Corel Linux by transferring the files to the harddrive
first - but no joy so far - not sure that I can install it that way - but I think now
that the problem was a faulty boot floppy - might have another go with a better floppy.
I could do a net install of Debian (I have the Net install CDROM - but can't figure
out how to use it without a CDROM drive) - might take rather a long time with 56K
download.
Happy to hear your thoughts
Lance Blackler
-Original Message-
From: Douglas Royds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:50:52 +1300
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Purpose of the CLUG
This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track
to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (just like at an
installfest), but with something they want to achieve, e.g. Install
Linux on this Windows machine; Set up a mail server for my home network;
Set up a photo album and download photos from this digital camera; ...
Douglas.
Kerry Mayes wrote:
(encouraged by these postings, I'll add my 5cents worth - since 2cents
isn't legal tender anymore).
{snip}
Discussion:
The biggest difficulty I have is working out what I need to get the
result I want. The mail server for example: I wanted something that
worked like M$ exchange - recieve all the mail from the internet (my ISP
had my domain pointed to my static IP address) then be a pop server to
the local network. I looked at several Howtos that seemed like they
might be the right thing but none were exactly what I wanted and I'm
still too much of a newbie to work out from them how to do what I want.
So I don't know what packages I should be trying to get running, let
alone how to configure them.
Suggestion:
What would be most useful to me in terms of a meeting would be a Linux
solutions session. Someone comes up with a desired setup and several
people state how they would use linux in this situation. So I could
provide the list of available hardware, what I'd like to achieve with
it, my resources to set it up (whether I have a budget for more
hardware...) and end up with a few potential system designs. Existing
experts would get the opportunity to expound on their favourite
distributions etc, and get ideas from others on how to make things
work. The desired setups can be as simple or complicated as there are
people prepared to come to a meeting.
regards
Kerry.
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Re: Purpose of the CLUG
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:25, you wrote:
Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following.
I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of
RAM 1.3gb hard drive.
If you can get it a bit more memory that would be very good.
I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so
that I can use it for word processing (Abiword) and checking webmail etc,
while connected via my home network (56k modem on my main box).
Question is - should I use an old distro with a 2.2 kernel and KDE1 or 2 or
use more uptodate Debian (ie one of the cutdown Knoppix versions) and a
lightwieght window manager - fluxbox or similar, what do people think?
Use an up-to-date kernel. Modern kernels are considerably better imho.
You could compile it on a differnt - faster - machine and move it over to the
old lappie. I don't think any Kde would go acceptably with only 20Megs
memory. I had FVWM working in 32 Megs on a machine of that vintage, but it
was very clunkey.
I might add that I have tried damn Small Linux and have had trouble with
the mouse - basically wouldn't (read like mollasses) move.
I have been trying to load Corel Linux by transferring the files to the
harddrive first - but no joy so far - not sure that I can install it that
way - but I think now that the problem was a faulty boot floppy - might
have another go with a better floppy.
I could do a net install of Debian (I have the Net install CDROM - but
can't figure out how to use it without a CDROM drive) - might take rather a
long time with 56K download.
basically you use a floppy such as tom's root and boot to boot the machine,
transfer the files into it, and then use the chroot command to activate the
newly d/led and installed file system.
Happy to hear your thoughts
Buy more memory! Is there an empty socket? Could you toss out the 4Meg stick
and insert a 16 Meg one?
Lance Blackler
-Original Message-
From: Douglas Royds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:50:52 +1300
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Purpose of the CLUG
This is a FixItFest or a ProblemFest, which would be a good side-track
to an InstallFest. Victims bring along their gear (just like at an
installfest), but with something they want to achieve, e.g. Install
Linux on this Windows machine; Set up a mail server for my home network;
Set up a photo album and download photos from this digital camera; ...
Douglas.
Kerry Mayes wrote:
(encouraged by these postings, I'll add my 5cents worth - since 2cents
isn't legal tender anymore).
{snip}
Discussion:
The biggest difficulty I have is working out what I need to get the
result I want. The mail server for example: I wanted something that
worked like M$ exchange - recieve all the mail from the internet (my ISP
had my domain pointed to my static IP address) then be a pop server to
the local network. I looked at several Howtos that seemed like they
might be the right thing but none were exactly what I wanted and I'm
still too much of a newbie to work out from them how to do what I want.
So I don't know what packages I should be trying to get running, let
alone how to configure them.
Suggestion:
What would be most useful to me in terms of a meeting would be a Linux
solutions session. Someone comes up with a desired setup and several
people state how they would use linux in this situation. So I could
provide the list of available hardware, what I'd like to achieve with
it, my resources to set it up (whether I have a budget for more
hardware...) and end up with a few potential system designs. Existing
experts would get the opportunity to expound on their favourite
distributions etc, and get ideas from others on how to make things
work. The desired setups can be as simple or complicated as there are
people prepared to come to a meeting.
regards
Kerry.
--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell
NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me,
it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine.
Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks.
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Lance Blackler wrote: Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following. I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of RAM 1.3gb hard drive. I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so that I can use it for word processing (Abiword) and checking webmail etc, while connected via my home network (56k modem on my main box). Question is - should I use an old distro with a 2.2 kernel and KDE1 or 2 or use more uptodate Debian (ie one of the cutdown Knoppix versions) and a lightwieght window manager - fluxbox or similar, what do people think? What I would do with that: Use a purely console setup without X, BUT using frame buffer for graphics with a limited range of apps: noteably web browsing with links2. mplayer and a few others.- there must be some pretty good console word processors ? I rember from DOS days it took a long time before any WYSIWYG wp was better than Word Perfect. You should be able to make a usefull system this way. maybe look a transfer of LNX-BBC(50MB live CD) to the harddrive... /chris
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Lance Blackler wrote: Talking of fixits and stuff - I'd like an opinion on the following. I have been given a 486 (DX475) Digital HiNote laptop - no CDROM 20mb of RAM 1.3gb hard drive. I would like to load Linux of some flavour on it so that I can use it for word processing (Abiword) and checking webmail etc, while connected via my home network (56k modem on my main box). Question is - should I use an old distro with a 2.2 kernel and KDE1 or 2 or use more uptodate Debian (ie one of the cutdown Knoppix versions) and a lightwieght window manager - fluxbox or similar, what do people think? What I would do with that: Use a purely console setup without X, BUT using frame buffer for graphics with a limited range of apps: noteably web browsing with links2. mplayer and a few others.- there must be some pretty good console word processors ? I rember from DOS days it took a long time before any WYSIWYG wp was better than Word Perfect. You should be able to make a usefull system this way. maybe look a transfer of LNX-BBC(50MB live CD) to the harddrive... /chris
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
(encouraged by Douglas's first posting, here's mine) Sure, installfests serve a great purpose, but for me one of the easier parts of (an attempt at) a move to linux is the initial OS install. As someone who can do almost anything in windows I can figure out a linux install even if I need to format and start over a week later. The barrier I have is with software installs, this is incredibly confusing to a linux newbie like me, to the point that it's tempting to stay with the redmond crew. I'm determined not to do so and stick with it, but I can imagine plenty of others are in a similar situation, perhaps lurking here too. If linux is to gain greater general acceptance on the desktop this stuff has to be easier, and there have to be places where competent people can take relatively trivial questions about how to do this stuff. I'd hoped that joining this group might be such a place, but on seeing the nature of the postings, would be embarrased to put my questions here. This posting is sent in the hope of influencing the future content of meetings towards more help for the windows geek wanting/trying/failing to convert. Right now my own dream of spending at least 90% of my computer time in linux remains just that . . . Roger
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
look post away at your questions. one of the mottos of a board like this is theres no such thing as a stupid question. whilst there may be some exceptions to that rule, you're unlikely to be one of them :-) so fire away, put up a question some lowly amateur like me might know the answer to! personally i find almost no problems are encountered installing software once the user is familiar with the tools provided by their distro, but thats the hard part as the tools are all different in subtle and not so subtle ways. On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:25:36+1300 Roger Searle[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (encouraged by Douglas's first posting, here's mine) Sure, installfests serve a great purpose, but for me one of the easier parts of (an attempt at) a move to linux is the initial OS install. As someone who can do almost anything in windows I can figure out a linux install even if I need to format and start over a week later. The barrier I have is with software installs, this is incredibly confusing to a linux newbie like me, to the point that it's tempting to stay with the redmond crew. I'm determined not to do so and stick with it, but I can imagine plenty of others are in a similar situation, perhaps lurking here too. If linux is to gain greater general acceptance on the desktop this stuff has to be easier, and there have to be places where competent people can take relatively trivial questions about how to do this stuff. I'd hoped that joining this group might be such a place, but on seeing the nature of the postings, would be embarrased to put my questions here. This posting is sent in the hope of influencing the future content of meetings towards more help for the windows geek wanting/trying/failing to convert. Right now my own dream of spending at least 90% of my computer time in linux remains just that . . . Roger
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Roger Searle wrote: and there have to be places where competent people can take relatively trivial questions about how to do this stuff. I'd hoped that joining this group might be such a place, but on seeing the nature of the postings, would be embarrased to put my questions here. The list is populated by a very wide range of Linux ability. This is a feature. We can all learn from each other. There is such a variety of new (and rapidly changing) software and hardware that no one can even remotely claim to be proficient with all of it. The old-codgers are, by and large, friendly to newcomers. That is, you would have to ask an exceedingly lame question to be told off here (like the guy who wanted notepad.exe for his windows 98 machine). As a general rule of thumb, if you aren't close to the answer within 5 minutes of competent googling, then ask away. We certainly don't want to put newcomers off asking questions, otherwise it might turn in to some elitist linux-experts group. Nobody wants, nor benefits, from that. Cheers, Carl.
RE: Purpose of the CLUG
Don't be embarrassed. I was in exactly the same situation as you but did not hesitate to ask those questions. I was sometimes reminded to RTFM but in general there are heaps of helpful evangelists lurking on this list. I have not used Windows at home now for about a year. Regards, Robert What Do Fish Say When They Hit a Concrete Wall? Dam! -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 6:26 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Purpose of the CLUG (encouraged by Douglas's first posting, here's mine) Sure, installfests serve a great purpose, but for me one of the easier parts of (an attempt at) a move to linux is the initial OS install. As someone who can do almost anything in windows I can figure out a linux install even if I need to format and start over a week later. The barrier I have is with software installs, this is incredibly confusing to a linux newbie like me, to the point that it's tempting to stay with the redmond crew. I'm determined not to do so and stick with it, but I can imagine plenty of others are in a similar situation, perhaps lurking here too. If linux is to gain greater general acceptance on the desktop this stuff has to be easier, and there have to be places where competent people can take relatively trivial questions about how to do this stuff. I'd hoped that joining this group might be such a place, but on seeing the nature of the postings, would be embarrased to put my questions here. This posting is sent in the hope of influencing the future content of meetings towards more help for the windows geek wanting/trying/failing to convert. Right now my own dream of spending at least 90% of my computer time in linux remains just that . . . Roger
Re: Purpose of the CLUG
Hi Roger and Doug, Great to see you posting on list. As already stated, there are Linux users on this list at every conceiveable Linux user level. From Newbie to Expert and everywhere in between. I felt as you did when I first started with Linux. Everyone on this list knows I am a big GUI fan (and Mandrake as a distro is famous for this) but with the help of this list (and others), I have also come to appreciate and understand the power of the almighty *nix command line. I no longer dread using it at least. I use Mandrake and with it's URPMI (User Mode RPM Install) and GUI URPMI (GURPMI), installing software on my Mandrake box is as simple as typing urpmi 'software name' at the command line or by clicking on the package/software name in GURPMI. Debian has similar features (though it's a @itch to install) with APT-GET but one needs to know these tools exist before one can enjoy them of course. I used Mandrake for over a year before I realised the power of URPMI. Don't give up, the power, flexibility and transparency of Linux/OSS is well worth the steep learning curve. I have never enjoyed computing as much as I have since starting on my Linux journey. Regards, Jason Roger Searle wrote: (encouraged by Douglas's first posting, here's mine) Sure, installfests serve a great purpose, but for me one of the easier parts of (an attempt at) a move to linux is the initial OS install. As someone who can do almost anything in windows I can figure out a linux install even if I need to format and start over a week later. The barrier I have is with software installs, this is incredibly confusing to a linux newbie like me, to the point that it's tempting to stay with the redmond crew. I'm determined not to do so and stick with it, but I can imagine plenty of others are in a similar situation, perhaps lurking here too. If linux is to gain greater general acceptance on the desktop this stuff has to be easier, and there have to be places where competent people can take relatively trivial questions about how to do this stuff. I'd hoped that joining this group might be such a place, but on seeing the nature of the postings, would be embarrased to put my questions here. This posting is sent in the hope of influencing the future content of meetings towards more help for the windows geek wanting/trying/failing to convert. Right now my own dream of spending at least 90% of my computer time in linux remains just that . . . Roger
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
sure bring it along On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 16:04, Nick Brettell wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the usual google searches? and the linux laptops page? Yes, but I'm don't really know how to go about recompiling or patching the kernel... I'm still fairly new to linux, and I don't want to try it when I don't know what I'm doing. Maybe someone could give me a hand with all of this? - Original Message - From: Peter Elliott Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 re acpi - this will entail patching the kernel as the acpi patch is still waiting for inclusion into the marcelo(ie stable) tree OR using one from the -ac (alan cox) tree since this patch has been included in his series for some time now. by use i mean downloading the kernel source, appropriate patchset(s) and then patch and build etc. the only reason it hasn't gone into marcelo's tree yet is because of its size. according to alan all reports have been good - a lot of happy laptop users. there was some discussion on the kernel list about this over the weekend. for more info see acpi4Linux at: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ the ac tree is mirrored locally at: http://www.catalyst.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/linux-2.4/2.4.21/ i'd suggest using 2.4.21-rc7-ac1 would be alright as it seems to be ok.
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:04:22 +1200 Nick Brettell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the usual google searches? and the linux laptops page? Yes, but I'm don't really know how to go about recompiling or patching the kernel... I'm still fairly new to linux, and I don't want to try it when I don't know what I'm doing. Maybe someone could give me a hand with all of this? well ok. one word of warning is that not having a laptop myself i'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of acpi. not at all. however, apart from that, i'd be quite happy to give you a helping hand with it. i assume you'd like to get it done before the meeting at the end of this month? so. first question: how are you fixed re downloading the kernel source - are you able to do that? we just want the plain vanilla tarball from kernel.org (for version 2.2.20). cheers peter
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and kernel version - otherwise other things may break. On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 21:00, Peter Elliott wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:04:22 +1200 Nick Brettell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the usual google searches? and the linux laptops page? Yes, but I'm don't really know how to go about recompiling or patching the kernel... I'm still fairly new to linux, and I don't want to try it when I don't know what I'm doing. Maybe someone could give me a hand with all of this? well ok. one word of warning is that not having a laptop myself i'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of acpi. not at all. however, apart from that, i'd be quite happy to give you a helping hand with it. i assume you'd like to get it done before the meeting at the end of this month? so. first question: how are you fixed re downloading the kernel source - are you able to do that? we just want the plain vanilla tarball from kernel.org (for version 2.2.20). cheers peter
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and kernel version - otherwise other things may break. um yes and no (irish blood) we could try it that way but a common problem here is that distro's release kernels which have had all kinds of patch sets applied to them this often makes it difficult to cleanly apply patches of ones own. i notice that mandrake does give the option of installing a vanilla kernel but am not sure re other distros. anyway i'm quite happy to give it a shot this way - if we run into problems unsurmountable we can always try the plain way. a small thought occurs - dependant on which distro Nick's using, the supplied kernel(s) may have already had the needed patchset applied, which would be real good. Nick, which distro(and kernel) are you using? cheers peter ps: i'm wondering what the other things which might get broken are?
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:53, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Elliott Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and kernel version - otherwise other things may break. um yes and no (irish blood) we could try it that way but a common problem here is that distro's release kernels which have had all kinds of patch sets applied to them this often makes it difficult to cleanly apply patches of ones own. i notice that mandrake does give the option of installing a vanilla kernel but am not sure re other distros. anyway i'm quite happy to give it a shot this way - if we run into problems unsurmountable we can always try the plain way. a small thought occurs - dependant on which distro Nick's using, the supplied kernel(s) may have already had the needed patchset applied, which would be real good. Nick, which distro(and kernel) are you using? Err... Mandrake 9.1, kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk I believe? Might be a good idea to do a 'uname -r' to confirm that, it'd be pity to turn up at the evening with the wrong kernel. BTW I don't mind waiting until the end of the month fix-up session, either way is fine. You are booked in then. -- C. S.
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:35:46 +1200 Peter Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and kernel version - otherwise other things may break. um yes and no (irish blood) we could try it that way but a common problem here is that distro's release kernels which have had all kinds of patch sets applied to them this often makes it difficult to cleanly apply patches of ones own. i notice that mandrake does give the option of installing a vanilla kernel but am not sure re other distros. anyway i'm quite happy to give it a shot this way - if we run into problems unsurmountable we can always try the plain way. a small thought occurs - dependant on which distro Nick's using, the supplied kernel(s) may have already had the needed patchset applied, which would be real good. Nick, which distro(and kernel) are you using? he said way up the thread it was mandrake 9.1, not sure what kernel. - aaah by the look of it 2.4.21. (seems to be whats in man91) what you say is correct BUT doing without the mandrake patches is likely to break something. a two edged sword really. anyway, i understood acpi is in the kernel isn't it? is it necessary to patch? where do i find mandrake src.rpm's ?? I need to find what patches are applied I guess. cheers peter ps: i'm wondering what the other things which might get broken are? --
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
- Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:53, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Elliott Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and kernel version - otherwise other things may break. um yes and no (irish blood) we could try it that way but a common problem here is that distro's release kernels which have had all kinds of patch sets applied to them this often makes it difficult to cleanly apply patches of ones own. i notice that mandrake does give the option of installing a vanilla kernel but am not sure re other distros. anyway i'm quite happy to give it a shot this way - if we run into problems unsurmountable we can always try the plain way. a small thought occurs - dependant on which distro Nick's using, the supplied kernel(s) may have already had the needed patchset applied, which would be real good. Nick, which distro(and kernel) are you using? Err... Mandrake 9.1, kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk I believe? Might be a good idea to do a 'uname -r' to confirm that, it'd be pity to turn up at the evening with the wrong kernel. Yes, I checked it and it is indeed 2.4.21... BTW I don't mind waiting until the end of the month fix-up session, either way is fine. You are booked in then. Thanks, -Nick.
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:12, you wrote: Might be a good idea to do a 'uname -r' to confirm that, it'd be pity to turn up at the evening with the wrong kernel. Yes, I checked it and it is indeed 2.4.21... But we need to know what the ellipsis ( ... ) is hiding? -- C. S.
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
- Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:12, you wrote: Might be a good idea to do a 'uname -r' to confirm that, it'd be pity to turn up at the evening with the wrong kernel. Yes, I checked it and it is indeed 2.4.21... But we need to know what the ellipsis ( ... ) is hiding? Sorry, 2.4.21-0.13mdk as I stated earlier. Thanks again, Nick.
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the usual google searches? and the linux laptops page? Yes, but I'm don't really know how to go about recompiling or patching the kernel... I'm still fairly new to linux, and I don't want to try it when I don't know what I'm doing. Maybe someone could give me a hand with all of this? - Original Message - From: Peter Elliott Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 re acpi - this will entail patching the kernel as the acpi patch is still waiting for inclusion into the marcelo(ie stable) tree OR using one from the -ac (alan cox) tree since this patch has been included in his series for some time now. by use i mean downloading the kernel source, appropriate patchset(s) and then patch and build etc. the only reason it hasn't gone into marcelo's tree yet is because of its size. according to alan all reports have been good - a lot of happy laptop users. there was some discussion on the kernel list about this over the weekend. for more info see acpi4Linux at: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ the ac tree is mirrored locally at: http://www.catalyst.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/linux-2.4/2.4.21/ i'd suggest using 2.4.21-rc7-ac1 would be alright as it seems to be ok.
Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
buggered if I know actually! On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:49:16 +1200 Peter Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re acpi - this will entail patching the kernel as the acpi patch is still waiting for inclusion into the marcelo(ie stable) tree OR using one from the -ac (alan cox) tree since this patch has been included in his series for some time now. by use i mean downloading the kernel source, appropriate patchset(s) and then patch and build etc -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3d editing (was: CLUG tux)
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Martin Baehr wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:55:17PM +1300, Vik Olliver wrote: Try kpovmodeller. Actually, I'm about to start an article on 3D modeling programs for Linux so any feedback is welcomed. Vik, you will certainly have to try Blender - if you have not already done so. I have used it at work for some small stuff, and it is great! oh, i have been looking for practical not to complicated 3d editors. i looked at blender, and could not figure out how to use it (i admit i didn't try to find a tutorial) and i don't want to create complex animations either. Yes, Martin, it is the CAD-like concept of Blender - it offers quite a lot, but it is very rewarding to learn how to operate it. You either get hold of a copy of the original Blender manual from the company, or you read the (German) Blender-Buch by Carsten Wartmann, which is also an excellent book. There are also many tutorials for special use cases available from the Blender ftp server. ... it would also be nice to be able to exchange formats with windows 3d programs, because a windows-using friend of mine wants to learn 3d-editing together with me, so we need to be able to exhange our files both ways. Is Blender not available for Windows? Not quite sure, but it supports DXF files. However, with DXF import/export you always have to check how well it works with different applications... But I thought the Blender folks wanted to make it available for as many platforms as possible to get a proper share of the game engine market. Anyway, once you get going with Blender, it is really fun to exploit all the neat things like inverse kinematics for making things walk, particle models for emitting puffs of smoke, or for growing fur, or simple key frame animations, if you like with cartoon-style rendering... Blender is a professional 3D modeling and rendering software, the emphasis is on fast rendering of animations, not so much on highest quality rendering of single images. Cheers, Helmut. ++ | Helmut Walle | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 03 - 388 39 54 | ++
Re: 3d editing (was: CLUG tux)
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:54, Helmut Walle wrote: Anyway, once you get going with Blender, it is really fun to exploit all the neat things like inverse kinematics for making things walk, particle models for emitting puffs of smoke, or for growing fur, or simple key frame animations, if you like with cartoon-style rendering... Blender is a professional 3D modeling and rendering software, the emphasis is on fast rendering of animations, not so much on highest quality rendering of single images. Speaking of Blender, The Blender Foundation recently released the first Open Source version of Blender (version 2.26, 11 Feb 2003). For those who were not following it, a quick history. Blender was created, closed source but free (as in free beer). Company (NaN) decides to get out of developing it and offers it for sale. Open Source community raises 100k euro to buy it and then develop/release it as open source. It is really cool to see projects develop like this. Blender could have easily died. I hope other companies that have old/non-key software that might be useful to someone else will Open Source it in the same way when they are no longer generating revenue/economic value from it. Later Lee I'm still waiting for a POVRay exporter Begg Cheers, Helmut.
Re: 3d editing (was: CLUG tux)
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 11:54:21PM +1300, Helmut Walle wrote: i looked at blender, and could not figure out how to use it Yes, Martin, it is the CAD-like concept of Blender ah, that gets my hopes up, i have played around with CAD many years ago, so i might handle the effort to learn this... (time, if i only had more time) it would also be nice to be able to exchange formats with windows 3d programs, because a windows-using friend of mine wants to learn 3d-editing together with me, so we need to be able to exhange our files both ways. Is Blender not available for Windows? it is, but the question was geared towards simpler programs, of which there are many for windows but none for linux it seems :-( greetings, martin. -- interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe csl-gmbh.net open-steam.org (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: 3d editing (was: CLUG tux)
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Martin Baehr wrote: [...] it is, but the question was geared towards simpler programs, of which there are many for windows but none for linux it seems :-( The problem with simple is that sooner or later you will need something only a complex program can deliver. Then, if you move to the more complex program all the time spent on learning the simple one goes to waste. OTOH you don't have to learn all the features of the complex one. Cheers, -- Ryurick M. Hristev mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Systems Manager University of Canterbury, Physics Astronomy Dept., New Zealand
Re: 3d editing (was: CLUG tux)
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:43:22AM +1300, Ryurick M. Hristev wrote: The problem with simple is that sooner or later you will need something only a complex program can deliver. Then, if you move to the more complex program all the time spent on learning the simple one goes to waste. i disagree with this. consider tuxpaint vs. gimp. there are general concepts in all these things that don't change. and especially learning to nativate a 3d environment through a 2d display is not easy for everyone, but once you understand it, it should not matter wich program you use then. and how can you know if i ever have the need for the complex stuff. i am not a professional designer, i just want to experiment a bit with 3d geometry, build shapes, rotate them and see how they appear from various sides. would you use blender in school to teach 3rdgraders the geometry of a cone? sure, my shapes will be more complex that that, but not that much more complex... OTOH you don't have to learn all the features of the complex one. but you need to learn a lot more just to get started. greetings, martin. -- interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe csl-gmbh.net open-steam.org (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: 3d editing (was: CLUG tux)
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 08:40:41AM +1300, Ryurick M. Hristev wrote: there are general concepts in all these things that don't change. I wasn't talking about general concepts but specific techniques. This is were you spend most of the time and they are not transferable. only if your goal is to complete a specific project, not of you just want to learn about 3d editing in general. Educational software is a completely different kettle of fish. I was under the impression that we were talking about mature audience. (you specified that you want it for you not for a 3rd grader) right, but being mature doesn't mean i am willing to waste a lot of time learning things i don't need, on the contrary, the older i get the less i want to learn things i have no need for. what i need is quick prototying. it should not take more than a few minutes from star to sketching up the shape to see if my ideas work out. after that i may spend a few hours or days of finetuning to make it look correctly. i don't think that to that end any time spent learning say tuxpaint is a waste of time even if i know that later i will want to use the power of gimp. i rather believe that learning the limits of a simple program will make me appreciate the power of the more difficoult program and i won't spend one moment on thinking how much learning i could have saved if i had started with gimp first. greetings, martin. -- interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe csl-gmbh.net open-steam.org (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
RE: There is no CLUG
Will do as soon as it propagates to the archive. Wow I bugger off to Auckland for a few days and CLUG gets a organised! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll second Carl's comment. I will add that now people have wanted to organise meetings a little better, there are people doing it. It's probably good having a few people designated to organise the meetings, just like we have people designated to organise the installfest. Like Carl, Clug is, for me, primarily the mailing list. As long as that still works then I'm happy with the organisation. Can we put a link from the website to them...next to the i was a newbie one. We could call it a brief history of Clug.
Re: There is no CLUG
Replies quoted below Jason, here http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00606.html you offered to talk on one of those subjects that interested you, what happenned? maybe you felt you needed to be asked. HAving the dubious honour of being on the meeting committee I'm gonna get you along for some info about the stuff that interests you. I have become much more interested in multimedia lately and I think many people would enjoy a talk on some of the stuff you are interested in. Will you do it? I hope so. I did feel the need to be asked. Not by a committee but by several members of CLUG on list. Why? Because I wouldn't want to talk about things that only interested me. I did not exactly get a huge response on list to my proposals and ideas IIRC. I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app based discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming oriented discussion. We start the halves at preset times, then, if people didn't want to stay for the second half they could leave. Conversly, they could come ONLY for the second half if they had no interest in desktopy things I wanted a LOT of things ;) But then I am a demanding chap, aren't I?? No, but seriously, Nick, your (as I saw it), ahem, sometimes abrasive and forthright nature frankly annoyed me. Geez and I thought we made up :-( We have Nick, see my snip below ;) I have since gotten to know you better and though you still sometimes annoy me (as I surely do you), I have also come to respect and value your opinions, if not approach. I think you have a lot of knowlege and ability that many (myself included) on this list have benefited from. I got the impression that the bulk of people in the CLUG (based on discussion at the meetings) were quite happy with the way CLUG was being run and the topics being discussed. I was not. To recap my feelings and what I thought the CLUG should include more of, see the archives here: http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00575.html As such, it seemed CLUG in general was meeting most everyone's needs but mine. Once again, I did not want to foist my ideas on a group that seemed at best ambiguously interested in them. Actually getting speakers is hard! But you're gonna fill a spot I hope. If we cannot get people to give informative, topical, interesting seminars we are gonna have to abandon them. I agree, but participation when ideas are forwarded on list needs be heavily encouraged. Then, a leader/leaders of CLUG could ask for direct participation by members on list. I do not understand why there is a problem (and resistance to) having leaders, so long as they are as sensitive as possible to the needs of the whole. Leadership just means someone is more responsible than the rest for organising things. Perhaps few like the idea of having any kind of responsibilities to a volunteer based group?? I think one of the problems is that the people who have been seen as movers and shakers on the meeting side have tended to be people who run linux for business purposes on servers. (prime example: Chris H). They have less knowledge/interest/whatever in the desktop. Agree 100% Therefore, rather than try to encourage the inclusion of things few saw as important other than me, I chose to step back and allow those who enjoyed it as is, continue to enjoy it as is. If this has changed in recent times (meaning since I stopped attending meetings etc.), please let me know and I will reconsider my involvement. Man you should have been there and stood for the committee - do we have power to co-opt another member? =) That was funny. Thanks for making me smile Nick. See, we are friends after all I look forward to hearing from other members in the CLUG re these issues. If we don't hear much then I guess these points are pretty moot anyway. Cheers J Regards, Jason Greenwood Nick Rout wrote: Not wanting to go over old ground here Jason, but IIRC you wanted more talks on gui type software, which quickly degenerated into a CLI/GUI flamewar oops I mean discussion. I think someone may have suggested that you organise or conduct talks on the areas that interested you, if that has resulted in you voting with your feet then i think thats a shame. Maybe I have it wrong and there were some other issues i wasn't aware of. I hope you'll take part some more Jason, particularly as there is another installfest coming up. You have made a good contribution to thegroup and I hope it can continue. Nick On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:33:22 +1300 Jason Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will not bore the list as I am reasonably sure I have made it quite clear what I would like the CLUG to do differently. IMHO, these concerns have fallen on more than deaf ears, they have fallen on vehemently contrary ears. That is totally fine, I guess I was outnumbered. As I said, I am not trying to change the CLUG anymore, I chose to vote with my feet
RE: There is no CLUG
Will do as soon as it propagates to the archive. Wow I bugger off to Auckland for a few days and CLUG gets a organised! Arr.. there's the first problem.. you went to auckland.. :) = For Linux CD's check out http://www.xsolutions.co.nz http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema?
Re: There is no CLUG
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Jason wrote: I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app based discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming oriented discussion. We start the halves at preset times, then, if people didn't want to stay for the second half they could leave. Conversly, they could come ONLY for the second half if they had no interest in desktopy things I think this is a really really good idea :) I guess we've got a committie to organise it now too \ldots Tim Wright Assistant Lecturer Department of Computer Science University of Canterbury http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~tnw13
