Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Hi Ian, A friend of mine saw Michael Anderson driving around Ottawa with that license plate and took a picture, which they shared with me, and I will happily shared with you. I shared it with the OSCAR EMR mailing list, sometime shortly after this (OCLUG) user group had Dr. David Chan speak about open source software for medical systems and how he was personally inspired by Linux. Dr. David Chan invented OSCAR EMR, an open source electronic medical record system. "MIDWYFE" is the icing and cherry on top! Cheers, Katie From: Ian! D. Allen Sent: 25 January 2024 18:31 To: Linux-Ottawa Subject: Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration Attention : courriel externe | external email On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 06:20:55PM -0500, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Btw Ian, do you still have that snazzy license plate? At the time I bought "DR LINUX" I didn't even own a car. I gave the plate as a gift to Michael Anderson. I finally bought half of my wife's car a few years ago, and the plate I bought her years previous is "MIDWYFE" (retired). -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca Ottawa CANADA | Home: www.idallen.com<http://www.idallen.com> Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca<http://www.contactimprov.ca> | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca<http://www.fairvote.ca> and defend digital freedom www.eff.org<http://www.eff.org> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 06:20:55PM -0500, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Btw Ian, do you still have that snazzy license plate? At the time I bought "DR LINUX" I didn't even own a car. I gave the plate as a gift to Michael Anderson. I finally bought half of my wife's car a few years ago, and the plate I bought her years previous is "MIDWYFE" (retired). -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca Ottawa CANADA | Home: www.idallen.com Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca and defend digital freedom www.eff.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Jan 25, 2024 5:00:49 PM Dianne Skoll : Hi, I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. I am missing something. What was the original email that started this thread off? I thought it was just me who didn't get the email. :-) To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Hi John and Ian, Agreed, it seemed like there was some discussion around fees for members some months ago after the NCF $$ hand-over. If Dianne is volunteering to help with this, I think we would be foolish to not accept such an offer. Dianne, if you need any help, please let me know. Btw Ian, do you still have that snazzy license plate? -Katie From: Nash JC - NCF Sent: 25 January 2024 18:10 To: Katherine Mcmillan ; jfmess...@gmail.com ; Ian! D. Allen Cc: Linux-Ottawa Subject: Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration Attention : courriel externe | external email As far as I am aware, there's no intent that Linux-Ottawa folk should have to pay for joining a mailing list. There was a note in one earlier post (some months ago) that NCF had some legacy setup that restricted some of their facilities to "members" and that we might have to sort out details. JN On 2024-01-25 16:54, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > I am in agreement with JF > > Sincerely, > Katie > > *From:* Jean-Francois Messier > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2024 4:50:33 PM > *To:* Ian! D. Allen > *Cc:* Linux-Ottawa > *Subject:* Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration > *Attention : courriel externe | external email* > I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. If Freenet/NCF is hoping to get money > from everyone joining this list on an annual > basis, although OCLUG gave them thousands of dollars already, we should > dissociate from Freenet/NCF. The decision to > send the money to NCF was an honest mistake, but let's not keep our > dependency on NCF. Who knows what else they will ask > from the members in the future ? > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:37 PM Ian! D. Allen <mailto:idal...@idallen.ca>> wrote: > > Re: > > - Yes, I'd call it an obstacle > - I agree [...] Is not going to work. > - I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of > offensive. > > The new person joining does not have to pay this fee. Imagine this: > > "Hello and welcome to OCLUG. We have teamed up with the local Free-Net > to sponsor a mailing list account for you so that you may participate > in discussions around Linux and other Free-Libre Open Source Software > [FLOSS]. We hope that at some point you become a paid-up member of > OCLUG to help support this and other FLOSS projects. Welcome aboard." > > -- > | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca > <mailto:idal...@idallen.ca> Ottawa CANADA > | Home: www.idallen.com<http://www.idallen.com> <http://www.idallen.com> > Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca<http://www.contactimprov.ca> > <http://www.contactimprov.ca> > | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com > <http://teaching.idallen.com> > | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca<http://www.fairvote.ca> > <http://www.fairvote.ca> and defend digital freedom > www.eff.org<http://www.eff.org> <http://www.eff.org> > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > <mailto:linux%2bunsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > <mailto:linux%2bh...@linux-ottawa.org> > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > <https://lists.linux-ottawa.org> > > > > -- > Geek, c'est ma nature > Linux, c'est mon choix ! To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 05:31:42PM -0500, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > I think it happenned 5 months ago. Sorry, John replied to an August 5 message today and that pulled that thread down into the present in mutt and I didn't notice that it was old news. From: J C Nash Subject: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:16:20 -0400 If a volunteer is going to run the mailing list for free, then the discussion about paying someone else to do it is moot. -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca Ottawa CANADA | Home: www.idallen.com Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca and defend digital freedom www.eff.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
As far as I am aware, there's no intent that Linux-Ottawa folk should have to pay for joining a mailing list. There was a note in one earlier post (some months ago) that NCF had some legacy setup that restricted some of their facilities to "members" and that we might have to sort out details. JN On 2024-01-25 16:54, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: I am in agreement with JF Sincerely, Katie *From:* Jean-Francois Messier *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2024 4:50:33 PM *To:* Ian! D. Allen *Cc:* Linux-Ottawa *Subject:* Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration *Attention : courriel externe | external email* I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. If Freenet/NCF is hoping to get money from everyone joining this list on an annual basis, although OCLUG gave them thousands of dollars already, we should dissociate from Freenet/NCF. The decision to send the money to NCF was an honest mistake, but let's not keep our dependency on NCF. Who knows what else they will ask from the members in the future ? On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:37 PM Ian! D. Allen mailto:idal...@idallen.ca>> wrote: Re: - Yes, I'd call it an obstacle - I agree [...] Is not going to work. - I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of offensive. The new person joining does not have to pay this fee. Imagine this: "Hello and welcome to OCLUG. We have teamed up with the local Free-Net to sponsor a mailing list account for you so that you may participate in discussions around Linux and other Free-Libre Open Source Software [FLOSS]. We hope that at some point you become a paid-up member of OCLUG to help support this and other FLOSS projects. Welcome aboard." -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca <mailto:idal...@idallen.ca> Ottawa CANADA | Home: www.idallen.com <http://www.idallen.com> Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca <http://www.contactimprov.ca> | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com <http://teaching.idallen.com> | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca <http://www.fairvote.ca> and defend digital freedom www.eff.org <http://www.eff.org> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org <mailto:linux%2bunsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org <mailto:linux%2bh...@linux-ottawa.org> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org <https://lists.linux-ottawa.org> -- Geek, c'est ma nature Linux, c'est mon choix ! To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
On 2024-01-25 14:17, Ron / BCLUG wrote: > Dianne Skoll wrote on 2024-01-25 14:00: > > >>I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. > > > >I am missing something. What was the original email that started this > >thread off? What is the "this" that is a major obstacle? That email > >seems not to have reached me. > > Same here - seems like the conversation was begun sometime before it made it > to the mailing list. I think it happenned 5 months ago. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Dianne Skoll wrote on 2024-01-25 14:00: I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. I am missing something. What was the original email that started this thread off? What is the "this" that is a major obstacle? That email seems not to have reached me. Same here - seems like the conversation was begun sometime before it made it to the mailing list. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Hi, > I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. I am missing something. What was the original email that started this thread off? What is the "this" that is a major obstacle? That email seems not to have reached me. :( Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
I am in agreement with JF Sincerely, Katie From: Jean-Francois Messier Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 4:50:33 PM To: Ian! D. Allen Cc: Linux-Ottawa Subject: Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration Attention : courriel externe | external email I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. If Freenet/NCF is hoping to get money from everyone joining this list on an annual basis, although OCLUG gave them thousands of dollars already, we should dissociate from Freenet/NCF. The decision to send the money to NCF was an honest mistake, but let's not keep our dependency on NCF. Who knows what else they will ask from the members in the future ? On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:37 PM Ian! D. Allen mailto:idal...@idallen.ca>> wrote: Re: - Yes, I'd call it an obstacle - I agree [...] Is not going to work. - I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of offensive. The new person joining does not have to pay this fee. Imagine this: "Hello and welcome to OCLUG. We have teamed up with the local Free-Net to sponsor a mailing list account for you so that you may participate in discussions around Linux and other Free-Libre Open Source Software [FLOSS]. We hope that at some point you become a paid-up member of OCLUG to help support this and other FLOSS projects. Welcome aboard." -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca<mailto:idal...@idallen.ca> Ottawa CANADA | Home: www.idallen.com<http://www.idallen.com> Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca<http://www.contactimprov.ca> | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com<http://teaching.idallen.com> | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca<http://www.fairvote.ca> and defend digital freedom www.eff.org<http://www.eff.org> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux%2bunsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux%2bh...@linux-ottawa.org> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- Geek, c'est ma nature Linux, c'est mon choix !
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. If Freenet/NCF is hoping to get money from everyone joining this list on an annual basis, although OCLUG gave them thousands of dollars already, we should dissociate from Freenet/NCF. The decision to send the money to NCF was an honest mistake, but let's not keep our dependency on NCF. Who knows what else they will ask from the members in the future ? On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:37 PM Ian! D. Allen wrote: > Re: > > - Yes, I'd call it an obstacle > - I agree [...] Is not going to work. > - I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of > offensive. > > The new person joining does not have to pay this fee. Imagine this: > > "Hello and welcome to OCLUG. We have teamed up with the local Free-Net > to sponsor a mailing list account for you so that you may participate > in discussions around Linux and other Free-Libre Open Source Software > [FLOSS]. We hope that at some point you become a paid-up member of > OCLUG to help support this and other FLOSS projects. Welcome aboard." > > -- > | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca Ottawa CANADA > | Home: www.idallen.com Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca > | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com > | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca and defend digital freedom www.eff.org > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > -- Geek, c'est ma nature Linux, c'est mon choix !
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Re: - Yes, I'd call it an obstacle - I agree [...] Is not going to work. - I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of offensive. The new person joining does not have to pay this fee. Imagine this: "Hello and welcome to OCLUG. We have teamed up with the local Free-Net to sponsor a mailing list account for you so that you may participate in discussions around Linux and other Free-Libre Open Source Software [FLOSS]. We hope that at some point you become a paid-up member of OCLUG to help support this and other FLOSS projects. Welcome aboard." -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca Ottawa CANADA | Home: www.idallen.com Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca | Former college professor of Free/Libre GNU+Linux @ teaching.idallen.com | Improve democracy www.fairvote.ca and defend digital freedom www.eff.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: "email software" (was Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration)
On 2024-01-25 13:16, Alan McKay wrote: > Zimbra is amazing and this is really bad news! > > My company switched to MS Outlook about 3 years ago and it is complete > garbage compared to Zimbra - in terms of being able to search email > and also the calendar is a lot weaker. I miss Zimbra almost daily $work switched from zimbra to gmail and we lost in filtering, deduplication and imap.gmail.com is awful. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: "email software" (was Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration)
Is Kerio mail still around? It was very similar to Zimbra but haven't really looked at it in 12 years. Google shows something pop up but not sure if it is still free To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: "email software" (was Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration)
Zimbra is amazing and this is really bad news! My company switched to MS Outlook about 3 years ago and it is complete garbage compared to Zimbra - in terms of being able to search email and also the calendar is a lot weaker. I miss Zimbra almost daily To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: "email software" (was Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration)
Thanks for pointers Diane. Indeed Zimbra has calendaring, and it is an important feature. I use it because when I was using a google calendar I seemed to get emails related to my calendar content. Since medical appointments get put on calendars, this isn't something I regard as a positive feature. Zimbra also has (I don't use it) something called Briefcase that is a form of storage with some sort of security. I should probably learn more, but not sure it's worth the effort if things will change, though recently there seems to be less pressure. Maybe Zimbra is staying open, or at least a usable version is. I'm sure a big issue is migration. A lot of NCF folk are still POP users, a lot (including me and Mary) use the calendar, though only occasionally look at the Zimbra webmail, and I'm guessing many use the Briefcase. Change is a source of unhappiness. Best, J On 2023-08-05 14:59, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:16:20 -0400 J C Nash wrote: - engaging with Linux-Ottawa participants in discussions to help NCF select email software as Zimbra is going to become proprietary. NCF would prefer open source, but needs a solution well-suited to very non-tech users. I assume by this they mean SMTP/IMAP/POP3 software and not mailing list software? I can't imaging people would have difficulty with Postfix as the MTA, Dovecot or Cyrus IMAP as the IMAP server, and some decent webmail package like Roundcube as the Webmail setup... at least, not any more difficulty than they'd likely have with Zimbra. IMO, the weak link is calendaring. I'm not sure if Zimbra offers this, but open-source solutions tend to be weak in this area. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
I think Alayne has a point about requiring NCF membership, but I think a bit of discussion with Shelley Robinson would lead to a solution. I worked as a volunteer at NCF until my vision problems caught up with me. During that time I found that Ms. Robinsion is quite good at dealing with problems that combine a number of technical and no-technical issues. I would like to participate in a joint venture between OCLUG and NCF, perhaps by writing some of the documentation mentioned in this thread. ian https://web.ncf.ca/am125/ https://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
On 2023-08-05 13:16, J C Nash wrote: - hosting a mailing list before everyone gets worried about the idea of membership in NCF, perhaps they would be willing to allow starting a mail list that would allow Non NCF members, or Non NCF addresses to participate.? (My NCF ID is AA508 so I have been using the site for a while.) - engaging with Linux-Ottawa participants in discussions to help NCF select email software as Zimbra is going to become proprietary. NCF would prefer open source, but needs a solution well-suited to very non-tech users. ZIMBRA is what the NCF uses for their web mail service. it is not used as an e-mail processing system. Many NCF users are not technical, and I am sure some JUST use the web mail interface. for me it is a third level backup when e-mail seems fuzzy I imagine this item is knowing what packages they could run that would give the users much the same access to their mail. without migrating to a closed version of ZIMBRA. (with simmalar security and convenience features.) the mail back-end and Spam filter at NCF is quite robust, although it deliberately slows reception of mail to avoid fly by night spam. -- Charles MacDonald VA3CPY Stittsville Ontario cm...@zeusprune.ca Just Beyond the Fringe No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
"email software" (was Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration)
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:16:20 -0400 J C Nash wrote: > - engaging with Linux-Ottawa participants in discussions to help NCF >select email software as Zimbra is going to become proprietary. > NCF would prefer open source, but needs a solution well-suited to > very non-tech users. I assume by this they mean SMTP/IMAP/POP3 software and not mailing list software? I can't imaging people would have difficulty with Postfix as the MTA, Dovecot or Cyrus IMAP as the IMAP server, and some decent webmail package like Roundcube as the Webmail setup... at least, not any more difficulty than they'd likely have with Zimbra. IMO, the weak link is calendaring. I'm not sure if Zimbra offers this, but open-source solutions tend to be weak in this area. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
I am also trying to get Sympa to work for Linux-Gatineau, but I am only at the point of proof-of-concept. Again, if I can help on the sysadmin of other technical nature, please let me know. JFM On 2023-08-05 14:29, Znoteer wrote: On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 01:16:20PM -0400, J C Nash wrote: [snip] Ms. Robinson has indicated that NCF has some interest in the following: - engaging with Linux-Ottawa participants in discussions to help NCF select email software as Zimbra is going to become proprietary. NCF would prefer open source, but needs a solution well-suited to very non-tech users. [snip] I was a volunteer at Vancouver Community Network a long time ago. One of the projets I worked on was implementing Sympa to replace I don't remember what asxxx the mailing list software. It was chosen because of it's internationalisation and because of it's ease of use. VCN served individuals and non-profits for the very large part having zero technical inclination and from a large number of cultural and linguistic backgrounds. Neither listmaster nor subscriber need know any command line kungfu. Everything about managing lists and subscriptions can be done through a web interface. I wasn't an sysadmin of sympa, but a listmaster with All The Powers, so I could learn the web interface to help VCN clients with the new software (both admins and subscribers) and to help them migrate their archives. So, I have no experience with the sysadmin side of sympa or any other list manager to be able to offer useful comparisons of it's ease to maintain. I put it forward, nevertheless, as a system to consider for NCF, as I believe the ease of use requirement is checked off. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
I recently retired from Government of Canada and may have some time to help Linux-Ottawa in some capacities. One of them could be managing a Linux VPS where we could have the wiki and possibly a mailing list. As for the domain renewal, ownership and management, I can also help, as I currently have three domains that I own plus another that I manage for Linux-Gatineau. In the last 10 years, we were hosting our domain web site on a VPS in Toronto, and I was taking care of it, both technically and for paying the bills, which were paid back to me through email bank transfer. This something that worked fine for some time already. If you think I can help, hosting or managing some site on a technical basis, please let me know. JFM On 2023-08-05 14:03, James wrote: Aug. 5, 2023 13:42:58 Katherine Mcmillan : Hello all, I agree with Alayne, this: "OCLUG gave NCF $4247.90 -- and now the NCF wants to charge _every member_ of a low-volume mailing list $12/year? Yes, I'd call it an obstacle, both the cost for some & the PITA for anyone who doesn't need to be an NCF member." I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of offensive. I understand they need money to pay for resources. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 01:16:20PM -0400, J C Nash wrote: [snip] > > Ms. Robinson has indicated that NCF has some interest in the following: > > - engaging with Linux-Ottawa participants in discussions to help NCF > select email software as Zimbra is going to become proprietary. NCF would > prefer open source, but needs a solution well-suited to very non-tech > users. [snip] I was a volunteer at Vancouver Community Network a long time ago. One of the projets I worked on was implementing Sympa to replace I don't remember what asxxx the mailing list software. It was chosen because of it's internationalisation and because of it's ease of use. VCN served individuals and non-profits for the very large part having zero technical inclination and from a large number of cultural and linguistic backgrounds. Neither listmaster nor subscriber need know any command line kungfu. Everything about managing lists and subscriptions can be done through a web interface. I wasn't an sysadmin of sympa, but a listmaster with All The Powers, so I could learn the web interface to help VCN clients with the new software (both admins and subscribers) and to help them migrate their archives. So, I have no experience with the sysadmin side of sympa or any other list manager to be able to offer useful comparisons of it's ease to maintain. I put it forward, nevertheless, as a system to consider for NCF, as I believe the ease of use requirement is checked off. -- Znoteer znot...@mailbox.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Fwd: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
And I am in agreement. However, to not make clear what we expect then get a surprise would not be good. JN On 2023-08-05 14:03, James wrote: Aug. 5, 2023 13:42:58 Katherine Mcmillan : Hello all, I agree with Alayne, this: "OCLUG gave NCF $4247.90 -- and now the NCF wants to charge _every member_ of a low-volume mailing list $12/year? Yes, I'd call it an obstacle, both the cost for some & the PITA for anyone who doesn't need to be an NCF member." I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of offensive. I understand they need money to pay for resources. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Aug. 5, 2023 13:42:58 Katherine Mcmillan : Hello all, I agree with Alayne, this: "OCLUG gave NCF $4247.90 -- and now the NCF wants to charge _every member_ of a low-volume mailing list $12/year? Yes, I'd call it an obstacle, both the cost for some & the PITA for anyone who doesn't need to be an NCF member." I agree. While the money is not a problem for me it is sort of offensive. I understand they need money to pay for resources. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Hello all, I agree with Alayne, this: "OCLUG gave NCF $4247.90 -- and now the NCF wants to charge _every member_ of a low-volume mailing list $12/year? Yes, I'd call it an obstacle, both the cost for some & the PITA for anyone who doesn't need to be an NCF member." Is not going to work. Personally, I would like to be involved in a Board for a Linux/Unix user group - I cannot dedicate myself to Linux or the GPL for various reasons. I would, however, support an Ottawa/Gatineau/NCR Unix Users Group, or reviving the (http://www.ocuug.on.ca/). If anyone is currently working on this, please reach out to me! Sincerely, Katie From: ala...@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Sent: 05 August 2023 13:36 To: Linux-Ottawa Subject: Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration Attention : courriel externe | external email OCLUG gave NCF $4247.90 -- and now the NCF wants to charge _every member_ of a low-volume mailing list $12/year? Yes, I'd call it an obstacle, both the cost for some & the PITA for anyone who doesn't need to be an NCF member. Imagine trying to get anyone new involved in OCLUG -- "BTW, it will cost you $12/year to get meeting notices and take part in discussions." Surely there's a better solution that this. Alayne On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, J C Nash wrote: > With declining participation and willingness to serve on the Board, > Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group, an Ontario not-for-profit corporation > was dissolved on April 14, 2023 upon a vote of just 16 members (1 more > than our quorum). Our monies ($4247.90) were donated to National Capital > Freenet, which was deemed an organization that had similar goals and > interests. The abbreviation OCLUG will be used for the corporation. [...] > Caveats: > > It could be that the mailing list and discussion groups would only be > available to registered NCF "members". However, NCF will give an email > (which likely constitutes being a member) at a suggested donation of > $1 / month. NCF does, of course, also act as an ISP and offers various > network option. Several of us are already members/subscribers. If the > NCF involvement with Linux flourishes, I suspect the $1 / month level > of contribution is not an obstacle. [...] -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca The shyness is not unusual. If you weren't quiet, you wouldn't have so desperately searched for a way to speak. The reason you have so desperately pursued your work and your language and your voice is because you haven't had one. - Bruce Springsteen, in _Renegades_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
OCLUG gave NCF $4247.90 -- and now the NCF wants to charge _every member_ of a low-volume mailing list $12/year? Yes, I'd call it an obstacle, both the cost for some & the PITA for anyone who doesn't need to be an NCF member. Imagine trying to get anyone new involved in OCLUG -- "BTW, it will cost you $12/year to get meeting notices and take part in discussions." Surely there's a better solution that this. Alayne On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, J C Nash wrote: With declining participation and willingness to serve on the Board, Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group, an Ontario not-for-profit corporation was dissolved on April 14, 2023 upon a vote of just 16 members (1 more than our quorum). Our monies ($4247.90) were donated to National Capital Freenet, which was deemed an organization that had similar goals and interests. The abbreviation OCLUG will be used for the corporation. [...] Caveats: It could be that the mailing list and discussion groups would only be available to registered NCF "members". However, NCF will give an email (which likely constitutes being a member) at a suggested donation of $1 / month. NCF does, of course, also act as an ISP and offers various network option. Several of us are already members/subscribers. If the NCF involvement with Linux flourishes, I suspect the $1 / month level of contribution is not an obstacle. [...] -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca The shyness is not unusual. If you weren't quiet, you wouldn't have so desperately searched for a way to speak. The reason you have so desperately pursued your work and your language and your voice is because you haven't had one. - Bruce Springsteen, in _Renegades_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
[linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
Following up discussions at the Virtual meeting on Thursday Aug 3 and telephone conversation I had with Shelley Robinson (Exec. Director of NCF), here are some points for consideration of how Linux-Ottawa may move forward. Background: With declining participation and willingness to serve on the Board, Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group, an Ontario not-for-profit corporation was dissolved on April 14, 2023 upon a vote of just 16 members (1 more than our quorum). Our monies ($4247.90) were donated to National Capital Freenet, which was deemed an organization that had similar goals and interests. The abbreviation OCLUG will be used for the corporation. The domain name for OCLUG was oclug.on.ca is owned, however, by Andre Gosselin of storm.ca, though he does not appear in their Leadership Team. He donated the cost of the domain to OCLUG, but when asked was unwilling to transfer it to the club. For that reason, we registered Linux-Ottawa.org as a more obvious name. This expires in October. There remains the possibility of what activities the members of the (now informal) group wish to share with NCF. Possibilities: Ms. Robinson has indicated that NCF has some interest in the following: - expanding web and help pages about Linux for NCF - hosting a mailing list - having a discussion group. There is already a "Free Software" DG, and Adam Hunt, its most prolific contributor, has indicated a willingness to have it renamed e.g., Free and Open-Source Software / Linux - engaging with Linux-Ottawa participants in discussions to help NCF select email software as Zimbra is going to become proprietary. NCF would prefer open source, but needs a solution well-suited to very non-tech users. - If nobody else is interested, NCF would be willing to take over the domain Linux-Ottawa.org Caveats: It could be that the mailing list and discussion groups would only be available to registered NCF "members". However, NCF will give an email (which likely constitutes being a member) at a suggested donation of $1 / month. NCF does, of course, also act as an ISP and offers various network option. Several of us are already members/subscribers. If the NCF involvement with Linux flourishes, I suspect the $1 / month level of contribution is not an obstacle. Next steps: Comments and suggestions are welcome. Please recognize that with only about a dozen active members, you will be speaking largel for yourself in offering any services. Also requesting anything more than quite simple steps from NCF will put strain on their resources, especially if the measure must be maintained. Two issues that I believe should be investigated are: - Can a mailing list on NCF have non-NCF emails as list members? - Can Discussion Groups and help pages, either all or selected, be made world-visible? NCF can, and I believe should, restrict posting on the DGs to at least verified participants, likely NCF members, but it would be useful to have resources more openly usable. For the few Linux-Ottawa people, we can arrange a mechanism where one of us who is a member can post queries. Suggested method of responding: Please copy the sentence or two on which you are commenting rather than the whole of the above. I will try to collate any responses and follow-up with NCF. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
