[lisp] Re: Rtgdir early review of draft-ietf-lisp-geo-06

2024-06-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Reviewer: Ines Robles > Review result: Not Ready > > Reviewer: Ines Robles > Date: 01-06-2024 > Version reviewed:draft-ietf-lisp-geo-06 Thanks for your comments. I have posted -07. See my responses to your comments below. > Suggestions/Issues: > > It would be nice to add information about:

[lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-06-03 Thread Dino Farinacci
transform the comments in txt. > > Let me know if you have any questions > > Thanks > Padma > > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 5:33 PM Padma Pillay-Esnault > wrote: > Hello Dino and al > > I will review the doc, comments, exchanges and get back to

[lisp] Re: Rtgdir early review of draft-ietf-lisp-geo-06

2024-06-03 Thread Dino Farinacci
Thank you for your comments. I will update the draft this week. Dino > On Jun 1, 2024, at 4:21 PM, Ines Robles via Datatracker > wrote: > > Reviewer: Ines Robles > Review result: Not Ready > > Reviewer: Ines Robles > Date: 01-06-2024 > Version reviewed:draft-ietf-lisp-geo-06 > > Summary: >

[lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-05-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
Padma. > Yours, > Joel > On 5/30/2024 12:17 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> >>> On May 30, 2024, at 6:07 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: >>> >>> Dino, >>> >>> Private emails, with insulting content, will not help progress the document

[lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-05-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
> On May 30, 2024, at 6:07 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Dino, > > Private emails, with insulting content, will not help progress the document. I didn’t insult you. I made a conclusion you didn’t understand something since I repeated the explanation several times. > > Since apparently we

[lisp] Re: lisp Digest, Vol 186, Issue 12

2024-05-28 Thread Dino Farinacci
Me too. Dino > On May 28, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Balaji Pitta Venkatachalapathy (bvenkata) > wrote: > > Support. > Balaji > > > From: Michael McBride > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35:13 PM > To: p...@ietf.org > Cc: lisp@ietf.org > Subject: [lisp]

[lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-05-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
> The text still assumes that an ELP must be returned. That is correct. > > Just replace the words: > >“which returns a ELP-based locator record for a path to RTR 'y', and > encapsulates packets…" The example is illustrating nesting so I believe it is not needed. Luigi, the terms

[lisp] Re: Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-05-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
> On May 6, 2024, at 10:54 AM, Dino Farinacci wrote: > > Copying the WG. I have submitted -16 to make things more clear to reflect > your comments. Here is the diff. > > Dino > <<< text/html; x-unix-mode=0644; name="draft-ietf-lisp-te-15.diff.html":

[lisp] LISP multicast overlay standard set documents submitted

2024-05-03 Thread Dino Farinacci
Just an FYI that I have submitted the following documents as a 3-set document series to be moved along to draft standard. draft-farinacci-lisp-rfc6831bis-00 draft-farinacci-lisp-rfc8378bis-00 draft-vdas-lisp-group-mapping-03 The reference graph dependency looks like this: rfc6831bis

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-05-02 Thread Dino Farinacci
y LCAF type 5 is > deprecated. > > > Two additional points: > > 1. The abstract must be updated. You are now proposing a new format. You also > need to state “This document updates RFC 8060”. > > 2. Section 5: Type 17 is suggested, not requested. > > > C

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
I didn't and believe it doesn't need to go at the beginning of the document. Dino > On Apr 30, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > > >> On 30 Apr 2024, at 17:41, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> I'll make all your chnages but this one comment: >> &g

Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-geo-05.txt

2024-04-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
ot;Geo-Location". Dino > On Apr 30, 2024, at 12:11 PM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > Internet-Draft draft-ietf-lisp-geo-05.txt is now available. It is a work item > of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) WG of the IETF. > > Title: LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Case

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
I'll make all your chnages but this one comment: > On Apr 30, 2024, at 7:58 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > routing protocols, namely OSPF [I-D.acee-ospf-geo-location], IS-IS > [I-D.shen-isis-geo-coordinates], It is not true. Only the GPS encoding is the same. The general encoding that wraps

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-29 Thread Dino Farinacci
Great - thanks Luigi. Dino > On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Hi Dino, > > I will send you the details about changes for your document. > > Ciao > > L. > > >> On 29 Apr 2024, at 19:54, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-29 Thread Dino Farinacci
Its above my pay grade to decide on what to do. Ball is in your court. > We need to ask IANA for a value different from 5 and currently unassigned, > and at the same time deprecate the encoding in RFC8060. If that is what you think, I'm fine with it. > Yes, this means as well fixing

Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-04-29 Thread Dino Farinacci
now ;-) > > Ciao > > L. > >> On 27 Apr 2024, at 15:54, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> I browsed your comments. They are easier to interpret now. Thanks for that. >> However, your references are not helpful because they indicate you >> want text to be moved

Re: [lisp] Review draft-ietf-lisp-te

2024-04-27 Thread Dino Farinacci
Farinacci, D., Fuller, V., Meyer, D., Lewis, D., and A. >> Cabellos, Ed., "The Locator/ID Separation Protocol >> (LISP)", RFC 9300, DOI 10.17487/RFC9300, October 2022, >> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9300>. >>

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
l > > On 4/26/2024 6:05 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>> Can you find an on-list email where such a conclusion was reached. That >>> would certainly explain your choice. >> I searched (before I sent the last email) and could not

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Can you find an on-list email where such a conclusion was reached. That > would certainly explain your choice. I searched (before I sent the last email) and could not find anything. Likely it was private. Dino ___ lisp mailing list

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
> I gather you decided to change the encoding to match some other work. But > you chose not to use a different code point when you did so. You simply > changed the meaning, without updating the published RFC. We did not change the code point because it was decided by the working group, as I

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Thanks Luigi. I agree, the fact that some pre-standard implementations chose > to change the meaning of a code pint does not make them correct. They really didn't. They did implement RFC 8060, and when lisp-geo was written, we decided to change. Dino

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
> As for the implementations… more than the number of implementations what > really matters is the deployments. If this truly matters … > In the lack of these conditions the only reasonable action IMO is to use a > different type value. … then you made a contradiction. You don't want to

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-23 Thread Dino Farinacci
See previous emails. > How many implementations are using RFC 8060 and will be impacted? That’s too general a question because there are many use-case codepoints in it. I have to look at my notes I think there were other pending updates to RFC 8060. Dino

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-23 Thread Dino Farinacci
efit to the change we should > step up, admit we are changing it, and explain why. > > Yours, > > Joel > > On 4/23/2024 11:48 AM, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>> As I said, the simplest solution is to use a different type value. This >>> allows to still use th

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-23 Thread Dino Farinacci
> As I said, the simplest solution is to use a different type value. This > allows to still use the old encoding and does not obsoletes implementations > that use it. You will obsolete implementations if we do that. Which really means you make the spec irrelevant. So I say stay with the same

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-22 Thread Dino Farinacci
I will add. Thanks for the text. >> This sentence should be placed at the end of section 5, where you describe >> the encoding. Okay. See diff enclosed. Dino <<< text/html; x-unix-mode=0644; name="draft-ietf-lisp-geo-03.diff.html": Unrecognized >>>

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-18 Thread Dino Farinacci
You have to judge that. We do have references that point to ISIS and OSPF. Dino > On Apr 18, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > >  > >>> On 18 Apr 2024, at 16:19, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>> >>> LISP geo-location decided to use the encoding

Re: [lisp] Draft LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2024-04-18 Thread Dino Farinacci
LISP geo-location decided to use the encoding format consistent and coordinated with the routing protocols. Dino > On Apr 17, 2024, at 11:59 PM, Padma Pillay-Esnault > wrote: > >  > Hello Dino and Alberto > > The Yang Doctor review had comments on Yang -20 draft regarding the geoloc. >

Re: [lisp] Queue closed on Tony's satellite I-D

2024-03-22 Thread Dino Farinacci
I support this draft for WG adoption. Mostly because, its the best idea I have heard about putting routing protocols in space and I trust no one other than Tony to keep it simple. The LISP WG is working on running overlays over satellite networks assuming the underlay knows how to route across

Re: [lisp] Moving draft-ietf-lisp-name-encoding to standard track?

2024-01-11 Thread Dino Farinacci
In favor. Dino > On Jan 11, 2024, at 7:52 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Hi All, > > Happy new year! > > As you may have seen from Alberto’s shepherd review of the name encoding > document, it is suggested to move the document to standard track. > > Jim Guichard (our AD) is OK as long as

Re: [lisp] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-lisp-name-encoding

2023-12-28 Thread Dino Farinacci
Can you fix one typo please: Change "ruining" to "running". ;-) Thanks, Dino > On Dec 28, 2023, at 3:00 AM, Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal) > wrote: > > Hi all, > The shepherd’s review of the LISP Distinguished Name Encoding has been > posted. The document is in good shape and minor

Re: [lisp] Distinguished Name comments

2023-12-14 Thread Dino Farinacci
inor nits: - Please include a reference and the boilerplate > for RFC 2119. > - Please update the reference from RFC 1700 (obsolete) to RFC 3232 (current). > Thanks, > Alberto > From: Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal) > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:05 PM > To: Dino

Re: [lisp] Distinguished Name comments

2023-12-13 Thread Dino Farinacci
Thanks for the comments Roberto. See comments inline. > First my apologies, this is long overdue. I’m trying to catch up with my > shepherd’s review of draft-ietf-lisp-name-encoding and I have some > comments/suggestions on the current draft. I have submitted draft-ietf-lisp-name-encoding-03

Re: [lisp] Lars Eggert's No Objection on charter-ietf-lisp-04-04: (with COMMENT)

2023-11-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
> ### "LISP", paragraph 0 > ``` > - NAT-Traversal: Support for a NAT-traversal solution in deployments where > LISP > tunnel endpoints are separated from by a NAT (e.g., LISP mobile node). > ``` > Stick it into UDP and use existing NAT traversal solutions. > Re-engineering all that does not

Re: [lisp] My comments to latest updates to LISP charter

2023-10-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
> What about putting Geo on March and TE on July? With good chances that we > finish everything before July. That makes a lot more sense IMO. Since there has been little commentary on TE in a decade! Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] LISP WG Agenda

2023-10-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
Thanks a lot. Dino > On Oct 26, 2023, at 2:46 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Ack, > > done > > L. > >> On Oct 25, 2023, at 18:18, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> Prasad requested to present (I will present since Prasad won't be in Pr

Re: [lisp] My comments to latest updates to LISP charter

2023-10-25 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Concerning Geo, I understand that from your perspective the work is done, > however, if we put it on March 2024 then we have 4 docs to work on. > I prefer to spread a bit so to smooth the workload (for shepherd+AD). Start on lisp-geo now and we can finish it before March 2024. It has already

Re: [lisp] LISP WG Agenda

2023-10-25 Thread Dino Farinacci
uter for the > Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol > • https://atlas.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/~menth/papers/Menth23c.pdf > • 10 Minutes (Cumulative Time: 50 Minutes) > • Michael Menth > > > • DEMO: gaapchat IPv6 multicast app over LISP over Starlink >

Re: [lisp] WG work items list [WAS: Re: Proposed WG Charter on GitHub]

2023-10-20 Thread Dino Farinacci
, October 20, 2023 at 7:53 AM To: Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal) Cc: Luigi Iannone , Dino Farinacci , LISP mailing list list , lisp-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lisp] WG work items list [WAS: Re: Proposed WG Charter on GitHub] Hi everyone,   I fixed some nits and addressed my previous editorial

Re: [lisp] WG work items list [WAS: Re: Proposed WG Charter on GitHub]

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
encoding, RFC 8060 and 9306 (Standards Track). We are > already there ... > As the dates proposed are target dates, i suggest we keep the date of June > 2024 but if we can go faster it is all good. thoughts? > > Similar comment for mobility. > > Thanks > Padma > &

Re: [lisp] WG work items list [WAS: Re: Proposed WG Charter on GitHub]

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
> What do you think of putting some major milestones for mobility and security > sections rather than per document? I think security is further out compared to mobility. Just because other groups will have to peer-review the security documents. But good suggestion and will incldue below the

Re: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
> HTTP! And to make things more confusing, it was up to a router to pull from > specific sources, like RIRs. Right, so it was a "pull-all-state" protocol. Not a push, like BGP would do it. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Yes, that would do it. Please ack if these diffs satisfy your comments. Thanks, Dino <<< text/html; x-unix-mode=0644; name="draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-12.diff.html": Unrecognized >>> ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
But not all push based systems use > multicast. The definitions of push-based and pull-based should be general. > Decent-pulll and decent-push (or some other terms) can be defined as this > document uses them. > > Yours, > > Joel > > On 10/16/2023 3:36 PM, Dino Farinac

Re: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Relative to the LISP mapping system, the terms pull-based and push-based long > predate this draft. There was an original push-based mapping system proposed > (in which all mappings were pushed to all ITRs). While we decided not to > advance that, Right, the LISP-Decent pushed-based uses

Re: [lisp] WG work items list [WAS: Re: Proposed WG Charter on GitHub]

2023-10-16 Thread Dino Farinacci
Looking at what you put earlier versus later is not based on the reality of the readiness of the documents. Here are some comments: (1) Nov 2023 should be Submit Name-Encoding to IESG. (2) Geo-Coordinates has been stable for a long time where NAT-traversal is so far from ready. The June date

Re: [lisp] Confirm WG adoption for document draft-jain-lisp-site-external-connectivity

2023-10-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
I support this draft. Cisco put a lot of effort into this and their customers seem to appreciate it. Dino > On Oct 12, 2023, at 5:35 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > All, > > During the last LISP WG meeting the authors of the draft: > > LISP Site External Connectivity >

Re: [lisp] Call for adoption for document draft-farinacci-lisp-decent

2023-10-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
I support this document because it’s the simplest of mapping systems we have ever developed. I have tested it on 10 map-servers with 10M EID entries spread across them. If folks want to hear more about this I can present 2-3 slides in Prague. 10 minutes max. Dino > On Oct 12, 2023, at 5:35 

Re: [lisp] Call for LISP WG agenda items

2023-10-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
> If you want to present during our meeting please send an email to the chairs > at latest by Monday October 23. I am planning a demo for the PIM WG. I could present that demo in the LISP WG. The title is: "gaapchat IPv6 multicast app over LISP over Starlink" I would only need 15 minutes.

Re: [lisp] Proposed WG Charter on GitHub

2023-10-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
> I propose that we change the wording of "Standard Track Documents: The core > specifications of LISP have been published as “Standard Track” [references]. > The WG will continue moving select specifications to “Standard Track”." That sounds good to me. Dino

Re: [lisp] Proposed WG Charter on GitHub

2023-10-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
> PPE - I see security as a use case but grouping the draft here does not > imply any restriction on its uses beyond. I see security a fundamental and required mechanism for all use-cases. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] Proposed WG Charter on GitHub

2023-10-09 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Hi Dino, > > A few comments inline > >> On Oct 7, 2023, at 00:54, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> Here are my comments. The charter text comes first and is indented and my >> comments follow: >> >>> LISP Working Group Charter ProposalPropose

Re: [lisp] Proposed WG Charter on GitHub

2023-10-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
Here are my comments. The charter text comes first and is indented and my comments follow: > LISP Working Group Charter ProposalProposed Charter: Introduction > LISP supports a routing architecture which decouples the routing locators and > identifiers, thus allowing for efficient "...

Re: [lisp] Proposed WG Charter on GitHub

2023-10-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
> PPE: It was proposed to merge the experimental RFCs RFC6831 & RFC8378. > However, how they are used in Replication List entries is in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vda-lisp-underlay-multicast-trees/. > It is still open if all three docs should be merged in a big document or >

Re: [lisp] IETF 117 Preliminary Agenda: Call for agenda items

2023-07-01 Thread Dino Farinacci
I would like a 15 minute slot to present "LISP Multicast over Starlink" progress. It includes running a new group allocation protocol (GAAP) on top of the overlay too. Thanks, Dino > On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Hi All, > > The LISP WG has been scheduled for Monday

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-26 Thread Dino Farinacci
> "this describes a shortcut we took, not compliant with [RFC9300] and > [RFC9301], > which works among consenting parties when no one else is using the particular > values in any other way, but we do not recommended it for arbitrary > deployments.” I will add in next revision. Dino

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-25 Thread Dino Farinacci
>>> >>> Now, let’s take one step back: the real question seems to be how to signal >>> in the mapping system that an RLOC belongs to a RTR? >> >> You could do it with a distinguished-name AFI that is encoded with the RLOC >> address. > > Excellent. So we have another possibility beside

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-24 Thread Dino Farinacci
e do not recommended it for arbitrary > deployments" then I would probably have fewer concerns. As you say, you did > indeed do it. > > Yours, > > Joel > > On 5/24/2023 1:55 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>> Trimmed, In line. >>> >>> On 5/2

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-24 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Trimmed, In line. > > On 5/24/2023 1:45 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>> there are a few things to ponder: >>> >>> - Looking at lispers.net the 254 value choice, it looks like a quick hack. >> I would refer to it as a convienent solution

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-24 Thread Dino Farinacci
> there are a few things to ponder: > > - Looking at lispers.net the 254 value choice, it looks like a quick hack. I would refer to it as a convienent solution that doesn't violate the spec. > - What about backward compatibility? If we allow overloading, there is no way > to understand

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-24 Thread Dino Farinacci
> So... I think it's good to document what people will see in the wild. A 254 > priority is probably a good signal that one is dealing with a lispers.net > implementation. To me at least, the goal here should be to permit the > documenting of that use. Documenting that in an RFC seems like a

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-23 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Personally, I find this to be an inappropriate overlaoding of the Priority. > While overloading is not uncommon, it often causes problems with protocols > and I would prefer that we not do so. We all do. But the implementation has been deployed for nearly 10 years. The draft is just

Re: [lisp] On the use of priority associated to RLOCs

2023-05-23 Thread Dino Farinacci
Maybe I can provide some color, so folks know why this design decision was made. (1) An xTR behind a NAT will register its global RLOC (and port) and the RTRs it has learned to the mapping system. (2) When another ITR wants to encapsulate to this xTR, it CANNOT do so with the global RLOC. (3)

[lisp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vdas-lisp-group-mapping-00.txt

2023-04-24 Thread Dino Farinacci
om the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > Title : LISP Multicast Overlay Group to Underlay RLOC Mappings > Authors : Vengada Prasad Govindan > Dino Farinacci > Aswin Kuppusami > Stig Venaas

Re: [lisp] Comments to draft-ietf-lisp-te-12

2023-04-19 Thread Dino Farinacci
> On the other hand, the draft proposes the recursive approach that *prepend*s > more than one header. I'm confused of the Only when you need to perserve an outer RLOC based header. Just like MPLS uses service-in-service through an ISP with stacked headers. But I think it would be rarely used

Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-jain-lisp-site-external-connectivity-08.txt

2023-03-31 Thread Dino Farinacci
Prakash, I reviewed the diff and the changes look real good to me. Thanks, Dino > On Mar 28, 2023, at 4:02 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > Title : LISP Site External Connectivity >

Re: [lisp] draft-jain-lisp-site-external-connectivity comments/discussion

2023-03-30 Thread Dino Farinacci
> I don't believe we should have a non PubSub option. Its what we have now to > update xTRs map-caches. Its slow and we can do better. Since we have PubSub > in a mature state, we should have this design depend on it fully. > > > PJ>>> As per current draft, both options are available, however

Re: [lisp] Rechartering Thread 1: Promised work item: work items currently in the charter but not finished

2023-03-27 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Dino, > Back then Albert Lopez, Vina and others invested quite some time addressing > in draft-ermagan-lisp-nat-traversal a lot of corner cases that were coming > from mobiity. > > Before we move forward with a NAT document we should make sure we either > explicitly leave out those use

Re: [lisp] Rechartering Thread 1: Promised work item: work items currently in the charter but not finished

2023-03-21 Thread Dino Farinacci
draft-farinacci-lisp-lispers-net-nat proposes an implemented solution for the problem. Dino > On Mar 21, 2023, at 6:25 AM, Albert López wrote: > > On 14/3/23 10:46, Luigi Iannone wrote: >> LISP NAT Traversal: we have a candidate document > > Here we have the problem of handovers between

Re: [lisp] Rechartering Thread 1: Promised work item: work items currently in the charter but not finished

2023-03-15 Thread Dino Farinacci
> They can still be experimental if WG is willing to publishing them. The > charter may include a security/privacy work item and these documents would be > covered. Right - agree. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] Rechartering Thread 1: Promised work item: work items currently in the charter but not finished

2023-03-15 Thread Dino Farinacci
>> PPE- should we consider predictive rlocs draft as well? It covers predictive >> mobility. Yes - it covers a more efficient mobility. Good point - I missed that. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] Rechartering Thread 2: From Experimental to ST: these are a bunch of RFC that may be considered

2023-03-14 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Hi LISP WG, > > As for the subject, this email starts the discussion about: From Experimental > to ST: these are a bunch of RFC that may be considered to move ST > > There are a few experimental RFCs which is worth to be considered to be moved > to standard track (if we have documented

Re: [lisp] Rechartering Thread 1: Promised work item: work items currently in the charter but not finished

2023-03-14 Thread Dino Farinacci
> LISP Mobility: candidate document LISP-MN but does not solve everything > should we enlarge the scope? draft-ietf-lisp-eid-mobility as well. > LISP Yang Model: We are pretty close to finish this one > LISP NAT Traversal: we have a candidate document And VPNs are in charter and used quite a

Re: [lisp] Fwd: lisp - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 116

2023-03-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
Can I request 10 minutes for draft-farinacci-lisp-satellite-network. Thanks, Dino > On Mar 7, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Hi All, > > Our LISP session has been scheduled. > We have two full hours. > > Please send to the chairs your request for a presentation slot no later

Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-13.txt

2023-02-20 Thread Dino Farinacci
recommendations/assumptions. > Thanks, > Alberto > From: lisp on behalf of Dino Farinacci > > Date: Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 12:31 AM > To: lisp@ietf.org list > Cc: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-13.txt > Comment: &g

Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-13.txt

2023-02-15 Thread Dino Farinacci
Comment: > And how does a Map-Resolver verify a Map-Request? There is no security association with it unless it uses draft-ietf-lisp-ecdsa-auth. And what does "an xTR is allowed to use" mean? Based on what, a white-list in the Map-Resolver, which is intractable? And for point (2), how does

Re: [lisp] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-10

2023-02-15 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Well, the security folks usually want a stateless solution to this sort of > problem. The nonce increment requries keeping state per pending > correspondent. Agree. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-10

2023-02-15 Thread Dino Farinacci
Tell me what you all think.  Can the map-server just store the nonce and then the next Map-Request have the map-server require nance+1?Stops reply attacks at only the cost of storing an additional 64 bits.  Do you think that solves the problem?DinoOn Feb 15, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Joel Halpern

Re: [lisp] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-10

2023-02-15 Thread Dino Farinacci
We should look at the mechanisms of lisp-sec to see if they can be used for this algorithm. I think the OTK is the token and hash Joel describes below but doesn't include a timestamp. The algorithm, would require two Map-Requests to be sent, as Joel said, and would add subscription delay.

Re: [lisp] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-11: (with COMMENT)

2023-02-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
be misleading to convey a Map-Register message which is not the intent. So I conclude no change should be made. DinoOn Feb 12, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Erik Kline wrote:On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 2:46 PM Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:The Map-Request registry can point to both 9301 and the ne

Re: [lisp] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-11: (with COMMENT)

2023-02-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
>> The Map-Request registry can point to both 9301 and the new LISP PubSub RFC. > > That works, yes. > > I was wondering about the fact that the message itself just grew an extra 2 > fields. It shouldn’t have. Which fields are you referring to? If you are referring to site-ID and xTR-ID,

Re: [lisp] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-11: (with COMMENT)

2023-02-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Thanks for the review Erik! Not sure what would be the preferred way to > proceed here, since PubSub is a nice to have but not required optimization of > RFC 9301. Would like to hear what others think. The Map-Request registry can point to both 9301 and the new LISP PubSub RFC. Dino

Re: [lisp] [IANA #1264435] expert review for draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub (lisp-parameters)

2023-01-18 Thread Dino Farinacci
It all looks fine to me. Dino > On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:58 AM, David Dong via RT > wrote: > > Dear Albert Cabellos, Dino Farinacci (cc: lisp WG), > > As the designated experts for the LISP Control Plane Header Bits: Map-Request > registry, can you review the proposed

Re: [lisp] draft-jain-lisp-site-external-connectivity comments/discussion

2023-01-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 5:16 PM, Prakash Jain (prakjain) > wrote: > > PJ>>> As per current draft, both options are available, however we are open > to discuss and conclude it either way for the best solution. Would like to > hear if any other opinion on this. Please lead the design with

Re: [lisp] draft-jain-lisp-site-external-connectivity comments/discussion

2023-01-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
> • (Dino): Elaborate on the update mechanisms/message types ( legacy > LISP or pub-sub preferred??). > (Authors): A shorter TTL would be a simple measure to allow update in non > pub-sub (Standard/Legacy LISP) mode. With pub-sub, N-bit would be set in a > Map-Request, then Map-Notify

[lisp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-geo-01.txt

2022-12-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
ol WG of the > IETF. > >Title : LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases >Author : Dino Farinacci > Filename: draft-ietf-lisp-geo-01.txt > Pages : 14 > Date: 2022-12-12 > > Abstract: > This draft describes how G

Re: [lisp] Review for LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2022-12-12 Thread Dino Farinacci
> > Hi Dino, > >> On 9 Dec 2022, at 22:20, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> I agree with all your comments and will do a revision. >> >> Regarding Type 5, that type was previously allocated *for this draft*. >> Sometimes it is hard to remember sinc

Re: [lisp] Review for LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2022-12-09 Thread Dino Farinacci
S-IS", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, >> draft-shen-isis-geo-coordinates-04, 18 October 2017, >> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-shen-isis-geo- >> coordinates-04.txt>. >> >> Appendix A. Acknowledgments >> >>

Re: [lisp] Soliciting comments for draft-farinacci-lisp-satellite-01

2022-12-09 Thread Dino Farinacci
I encourage people to have a read of the document. Its an easy read. Dino > On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:01 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Hi, > > >> On 22 Nov 2022, at 21:12, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> >> I was asked by Luigi at the LISP WG meeting to start a d

Re: [lisp] LISP PubSub to Proposed Standard?

2022-12-08 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Hi Luigi, all, > > I also think that it is reasonable to publish this spec as a proposed > standard. +1. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp

Re: [lisp] Lisp Portable Edge Multipoint Sockets

2022-12-01 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Maybe terminology will clarify this the best. > > Typically EID means address of hosts which can move between network locations. I would argue it means an ID of anything. Traditionally, an EID is an ID of a host but has evolved into a VM, a service, and now more opaque objects per your

Re: [lisp] Call for adoption for LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2022-11-23 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Dino, you can submit a new revision with the usual naming convention > draft-ietf-lisp-geo-00 Just submitted waiting chairs approval. > You can also start to address the comments you received during the last > meeting. I already did in the draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-15 draft. Please review.

[lisp] Soliciting comments for draft-farinacci-lisp-satellite-01

2022-11-22 Thread Dino Farinacci
I was asked by Luigi at the LISP WG meeting to start a discussion about this document and solicit review for comments. Does the WG think this should be a working group document? Please send comments. Thanks. Dino ___ lisp mailing list lisp@ietf.org

Re: [lisp] LISP WG Minutes Meeting IETF 115

2022-11-22 Thread Dino Farinacci
I think we are past the period for WG adoption. Can I change draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-15 to draft-ietf-lisp-geo-00? And I solicit comments to reflect the discussion in the minutes. So would like to request last call for draft-ietf-lisp-geo-00? Dino > On Nov 22, 2022, at 6:50 AM, Luigi Iannone

[lisp] Fwd: Lisp Portable Edge Multipoint Sockets

2022-11-21 Thread Dino Farinacci
o > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Sharon Barkai > Subject: Re: Lisp Portable Edge Multipoint Sockets > Date: November 20, 2022 at 11:30:45 PM PST > To: Dino Farinacci > Cc: Fabio Maino , Albert Cabellos , > Jordi , Alberto Rodriguez-Natal > > Thats all very tr

[lisp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-15.txt

2022-11-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the > IETF. > >Title : LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases >Author : Dino Farinacci > Filename: draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-15.txt > Pages : 13 > Date: 2022-11-10 >

Re: [lisp] Call for adoption for LISP Geo-Coordinate Use-Cases

2022-11-10 Thread Dino Farinacci
> My 2 cents: > > • I'm unsure about this sentence: "Endpoint Identifiers (EIDs) and > Routing Locators (RLOCs) which are intended to replace most use of IP > addresses on the Internet." I have plans to do an update based on Alvaro's comments in the WG. I will fix that. I think it was

Re: [lisp] AD Review of draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-09

2022-11-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
Yes agree. Wherever IP addresses are stored in payload - they need to be translated and should be spec’ed in detail in the NAT-traversal spec (currently an expired draft). Dino > On Nov 7, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal) > wrote: > > Agreed, that something we should

Re: [lisp] AD Review of draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-09

2022-11-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
erto > > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lisp/hN4tpuZl2nm86UVTqqmH24q0Tx8/ > > > From: Dino Farinacci > Date: Sunday, November6 2022 at 2:39 PM > To: Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal) > Cc: Alvaro Retana , lisp@ietf.org , > Luigi Iannone , lisp-cha...@

Re: [lisp] AD Review of draft-ietf-lisp-pubsub-09

2022-11-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
> [AR] As mentioned in the Alvaro/Dino discussion, regular Map-Notifies as per > 9301 are sent to the source IP address of the Map-Register that triggered > them. Since PubSub extends LISP to specify that Map-Notifies can also be > triggered by Map-Requests, we need to specify where these >

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