On 10/10/2013 09:38, Thinker Rix wrote:
On 2013-10-10 01:13, Przemysław Pawełczyk wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:05:22 +0300
Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Well, actually I started this thread with a pretty frank,
straight-forward and very simple question.
That's right and they
Hi Giles
On 2013-10-10 12:39, Giles Coochey wrote:
On 10/10/2013 09:38, Thinker Rix wrote:
On 2013-10-10 01:13, Przemysław Pawełczyk wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:05:22 +0300
Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Well, actually I started this thread with a pretty frank,
This discussion about security/NSA/encryption IS important. Please go on.
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Von: Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net
Datum:10.10.2013 11:39 (GMT+01:00)
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Betreff: Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense
On 2013-10-10 15:55, Ian Bowers wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis
alexandre.para...@gmail.com mailto:alexandre.para...@gmail.com wrote:
indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being
overlooked by NSA doesn't mean everybody don't care.
On Thu, Oct
On 10/10/2013 13:55, Ian Bowers wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis
alexandre.para...@gmail.com mailto:alexandre.para...@gmail.com wrote:
indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being
overlooked by NSA doesn't mean everybody don't care.
On Thu,
On 2013-10-10 16:08, Giles Coochey wrote:
On 10/10/2013 13:55, Ian Bowers wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis
alexandre.para...@gmail.com mailto:alexandre.para...@gmail.com wrote:
indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being
overlooked by NSA doesn't
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.comwrote:
On 2013-10-10 15:55, Ian Bowers wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis
alexandre.para...@gmail.com wrote:
indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being overlooked by
NSA doesn't
I rarely participate in public political discussions but I have to say
something:
In the United States if the government sent someonean NSL - they would not be
allowed to comment. You have been told that already and have been told that to
the best knowledge of the people involved, no other
On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote:
On 10/10/2013 13:55, Ian Bowers wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis
alexandre.para...@gmail.com wrote:
indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being overlooked by NSA
doesn't mean everybody
On 2013-10-10 16:52, Paul Mather wrote:
On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net
mailto:gi...@coochey.net wrote:
*BLINK!*
Incredible the way I am seeing the reaction to the initial
question, and trying to query very valid points are now leading me to
seriously
On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
On 2013-10-10 16:52, Paul Mather wrote:
On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote:
*BLINK!*
Incredible the way I am seeing the reaction to the initial question,
and trying to query
Hi Paul.
On 2013-10-10 18:42, Paul Mather wrote:
Thank you for the valuable information about how to use mailing lists.
You are welcome! ;-)
I first started using mailing lists back in the mid/late 1980s, on the
JANET network (British academic network)---back when the Internet was
made up
On Oct 10, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Paul Mather p...@gromit.dlib.vt.edu wrote:
I first started using mailing lists back in the mid/late 1980s,
You’re not the only one. :-)
I too was entertained by the n00b trying to tell grandpa how to use email.
Jim
Dear Worried user,
Since pfSense is opensource, please check the code and report back if there
are any backdoors or nasty stuff in there.
Thanks for being a conscientious user and not wanting to shift work onto
others.
Mehma
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Thinker Rix
I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various
organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has
merit and deserves response although I doubt the NSA really needs
cooperation from these guys. Does anyone else care to comment ?
Paul Kunicki
Network
Since pfSense is opensource, please check the code and report back if
there are any backdoors or nasty stuff in there.
Thanks for being a conscientious user and not wanting to shift work onto
others.
To be honest, I understand the question from the worried user,
especially if his comment
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:20:11AM -0400, Paul Kunicki wrote:
I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various
organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has
merit and deserves response although I doubt the NSA really needs
cooperation from these
On 2013-10-09 18:20, Paul Kunicki wrote:
I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various
organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has
merit and deserves response
Exactly, Paul, you got my point!
although I doubt the NSA really needs cooperation
(TIC mode: on)
I think it’s obvious that:
- ESF is a front for the NSA
- the acquisition which closed last year was really just about gaining control
of a critical component of Internet infrastructure.
- the delays getting 2.1 out the door were exclusively about getting some
last-minute
On 10/9/2013 11:32 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
From the news i've read... a couple of questions for the pfsense developers
come to mind:
1. Random Number generation
- NSA is reported to have weakened several random number generators and/or
introduced vulnerabilities.
- What is used in
On 2013-10-09 19:03, Jim Thompson wrote:
(TIC mode: on)
Sorry, but I guess the whole matter - not only concerning pfSense, but
the current threat to our civilization by our criminal governments as a
whole - is much too serious for any TIC-modes..
On 2013-10-09 19:03, Jim Thompson wrote:
(TIC mode: on)
Sorry, but I guess the whole matter - not only concerning pfSense, but
the current threat to our civilization by our criminal governments as a
whole - is much too serious for any TIC-modes..
The big problem with asking the question Has the NSA required you to add a
back door? is that no small company that wants to say in business can or
will say yes (If they do, no one will trust/use the product unless forced
themselves). The company will agree/be forced to say no. How does one tell
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:10:00PM -0400, Jim Pingle wrote:
On 10/9/2013 11:32 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
From the news i've read... a couple of questions for the pfsense developers
come to mind:
1. Random Number generation
- NSA is reported to have weakened several random number
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
My main question was not if the code includes bad things, but if the company
behind pfSense has been approached (yet) by authorities to comply with their
Orwellian global police state phantasy.
already answered.
Argh. Anyone who answered Yes to your question (correctly, mind you) would
immediately be committing a federal crime.
Considering the consequences, no-one in their right mind would ever confirm
that they had been approached or received a NSL.
Which makes asking the question quite irrelevant.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
So asking the question is stupid(*), because a lie is indistinguishable
from the truth.
I disagree on that point. Even if one is sure to get a no answer,
regardless of the truth, it is still useful to ask the question for
Linus Torvalds was asked the same question in a QA session about linux. He
said 'no' while nodding his head up and down.
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On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:42:31AM -0500, Adam Thompson wrote:
Argh. Anyone who answered Yes to your question (correctly, mind you) would
immediately be committing a federal crime.
All assuming the company in question resides in the US, or has
significant presence in the US. There is, of
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:50:53PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote:
IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in
stroking their own ego.
Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have to adapt.
It doesn’t contribute anything to the project.
It
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:46 PM, David Burgess apt@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
So asking the question is stupid(*), because a lie is indistinguishable from
the truth.
I disagree on that point. Even if one is sure to get a no
Hi Jim,
thank you for your quick reply!
On 2013-10-09 18:59, Jim Pingle wrote:
On 10/9/2013 11:20 AM, Paul Kunicki wrote:
I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various
organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has
merit and deserves response
Hello Jim!
Thank you for your answer.
On 2013-10-09 19:38, Jim Thompson wrote:
No, the NSA hasn't approached us about pfSense, or adding a back
door, or anything similar. Nor has anyone else.
Do you work for Electric Sheep Fencing LLC, i.e. is this the official
answer of the company to my
About that made in the USA thing, the NSA has deals with overseas companies
as well...
Plus, the GCHQ and several other foreign spy agency's have done similar
things, so if you starting asking, you discover that the major governments
are trying to do this and have succeed more often than we would
I also understand your point though, since the software is OSS, it should
be fairly easy to check for backdoors :)
Yes, you *could* check. But does anybody? Check the *entire* code and
get the big picture?
Realistically speaking, that wouldn't be enough anyways.
What is the percentage of
Some people in this discussion assume that the principals of ESF could not
be forced to lie by the US government, under threat of lawsuits, financial
ruin, incarceration and not seeing their children grow up. I find this
assumption awfully naive.
I think it's unlikely that ESF was even asked to
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:50:53PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote:
IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in
stroking their own ego.
Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Hello Jim!
Thank you for your answer.
On 2013-10-09 19:38, Jim Thompson wrote:
No, the NSA hasn’t approached us about pfSense, or adding a “back door”, or
anything similar. Nor has anyone else.
Do you work for
Hi Adam,
On 2013-10-09 19:42, Adam Thompson wrote:
Which makes asking the question quite irrelevant.
I do not think so.
Greetings
Thinker Rix
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On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Hello Jim!
On 2013-10-09 19:50, Jim Thompson wrote:
IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in
stroking their own ego.
This is already the second time that you insult me
On 2013-10-09 20:04, Walter Parker wrote:
About that made in the USA thing, the NSA has deals with overseas
companies as well...
Plus, the GCHQ and several other foreign spy agency's have done
similar things, so if you starting asking, you discover that the major
governments are trying to do
On 2013-10-09 17:20, Thinker Rix wrote:
Dear pfsense-team,
I want to ask if you have been approached by any US government
officials, such as NSA, FBI, etc. and been asked/ forced to include
any backdoors, spyware, loggers, etc. into pfsense and if you did so.
Hello all!
Thank you for all
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
On 2013-10-09 20:04, Walter Parker wrote:
About that made in the USA thing, the NSA has deals with overseas companies
as well...
Plus, the GCHQ and several other foreign spy agency's have done similar
things, so if
On 2013-10-09 20:16, Gé Weijers wrote:
Some people in this discussion assume that the principals of ESF could
not be forced to lie by the US government, under threat of lawsuits,
financial ruin, incarceration and not seeing their children grow up.
Gee, quite a frightening regime. Someone
On 2013-10-09 20:22, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Hello Jim!
On 2013-10-09 19:50, Jim Thompson wrote:
IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in
stroking their own ego.
This is already the
On 2013-10-09 19:49, Christian Borchert wrote:
Linus Torvalds was asked the same question in a QA session about linux. He
said 'no' while nodding his head up and down.
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Exactly. Frightening, isn't it?
Awkwardly the audience started laughing about that...
On 2013-10-09 20:18, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Hello Jim!
Thank you for your answer.
On 2013-10-09 19:38, Jim Thompson wrote:
No, the NSA hasn’t approached us about pfSense, or adding a “back door”, or
anything similar. Nor
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
We all know that the governments currently force on a daily base one company
after the other to comply to their New World
Order-Orwellian-global-surveillance phantasies and make them compromise their
software or
On 2013-10-09 19:42, Adam Thompson wrote:
Argh. Anyone who answered Yes to your question (correctly, mind you)
would immediately be committing a federal crime.
Considering the consequences, no-one in their right mind would ever
confirm that they had been approached or received a NSL.
Well, some
To answer your question about throwing the first stone. Your question reads
a bit like the Are you a criminal/commie? questions. Many people would
object to the question at the start because it implies that the people
being asked the question has done something wrong. Watching the reactions
to
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:17:25PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote:
Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have to adapt.
The situation did not change with the Snowden revelations. Anyone following
along has known what was going on for at least the last decade.
The difference
On 2013-10-09 20:16, Gé Weijers wrote:
I think it's unlikely that ESF was even asked to cooperate, but I
don't believe a denial is all that useful under the circumstances, and
asking for it again and again is obnoxious.
Having thought about it again and again, I would like to feedback to you
You got your answer of no a while back. But you're still talking. What
are you going to do with the answer now that you have it? What's YOUR plan?
-Ian
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.comwrote:
On 2013-10-09 20:16, Gé Weijers wrote:
I think it's unlikely
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:53:24PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote:
Also, the source of git would also reveal a problem when examined. To get
around that one starts hypothesizing the sort of globe-spanning conspiracy
against which one might as well give up (well, maybe all my compilers (not
just
On 2013-10-09 22:11, Ian Bowers wrote:
You got your answer of no a while back. But you're still talking.
What are you going to do with the answer now that you have it?
What's YOUR plan?
-Ian
- Well, actually it was not s long ago that I got a clear answer
- Commonly I talk as much as
On 10/9/13 11:56 AM, Thinker Rix wrote:
1. Recently they forced the small encrypted-email-service Lavabit to
comply with them (hand out their SSL-masterkeys install a black-box
at their premises). Lavabit did not agree - and they shut him down.
Actually they didn't shut him down. Per news
Hi Walter,
On 2013-10-09 21:53, Walter Parker wrote:
To answer your question about throwing the first stone. Your question
reads a bit like the Are you a criminal/commie? questions. Many
people would object to the question at the start because it implies
that the people being asked the
Is ideas on how to secure yourself and your network the sort of thing
you're looking for? A plan or a sense of direction, something like that?
Because you've been focusing on things that do achieve these ends. How
can the pfSense community help you solve your pfSense related problem, or
was it
All,
Can this flame be put to an end or continued via private mail?
This endless discussion would be reason for me to unsubscribe and that's not
the goal of the list i guess.
Regards, Pim
On 9 okt. 2013, at 22:26, Thinker Rix wrote:
Hi Walter,
On 2013-10-09 21:53, Walter Parker wrote:
But, your initial question was not What level of security and integrity is
provided by pfSense? or How do judge the safety and security of pfSense?
Your question was Has pfSense been compromised by Big Brother?
In the context of your Bank question it reads more like Have you been
robbed yet? or
On 2013-10-09 23:43, Pim van Stam wrote:
All,
Can this flame be put to an end or continued via private mail?
This endless discussion would be reason for me to unsubscribe and that's not
the goal of the list i guess.
Regards, Pim
Hi Pim,
first of all: Generally - sorry for disturbing you.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:05:22 +0300
Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Well, actually I started this thread with a pretty frank,
straight-forward and very simple question.
That's right and they were justified.
BTW, you pushed to the corner the (un)famous American hubris (Obama: US
is
@Chris L
i am not responsible, if you didn't get it.
if one comes to me with worries about an completely free open source system
by using an Closed Source SHIT.
this is ridoculous
He should first consider his Closed Source Shit.
Now i find also his nick misleading, he should name NON-Thinker!
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