Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (Sadly I no longer have shell access to any four-processor Sun > machines to confirm this.) Which reminds me. How in gods name do Sun get away with charging so much for stuff? We've erm, "acquired" an enterprise 420. this box has 2 CPUs, 4G or RAM and

Fwd: [uri@sysarch.com: free copy of data munging with perl]

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
I'd be failing in my duty as group leader if I didn't pass on this announcement from the Perl Mongers Group Leaders mailing list :) Dave... - Forwarded message from Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:25:55 -0500 From: Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL P

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread alex
a public archive containing all our email addresses is obviously bad. no-spam countermeasures help, but it's an ugly solution.. it's also about atmosphere. i don't like contributing to a friendly, discussive list that's archived and searchable by anyone who happens to drop by. mutual trust is

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, you wrote: > * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > I must admit I don;t particularly like the idea of someone else holding > > this info though .. I mean .. its like 'ours' innit .. but i have no > > i'm sure you could do something in your sig, along the lines o

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:24:07PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: > It isn't a question of google finding out about you: it is about how > much information you want made available to complete strangers. How > would you feel if a member of this list was sacked because someone > accessed an archive and

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > To make it harder for google to find you - change your name Prince style. > good idea! - greg of wales -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I must admit I don;t particularly like the idea of someone else holding > this info though .. I mean .. its like 'ours' innit .. but i have no i'm sure you could do something in your sig, along the lines of this email is copyright of robin szemeti

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:24:44PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:14:08PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: > > > o grow up > > > > Hey! No need to get defensive till you lose the vote :-) > > > > i vote for no vote, keep thin

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Robin Houston sent the following bits through the ether: > > > - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised > > address. > > This is the key point. It is a public list. If you don't like the idea > that your potential employers or employee

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Kieran Barry
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: > Robin Houston sent the following bits through the ether: > > > - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised > > address. > > This is the key point. It is a public list. If you don't like the idea > that your potential employers o

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:24:44PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > [1] you++ to anyone who gets the joke apart from stevem This is clearly a red ha^Herring. Ignore. Besides, Paul

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:14:08PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: > > o grow up > > Hey! No need to get defensive till you lose the vote :-) > i vote for no vote, keep things as they are if people object to their views being public, don't post them in

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:14:08PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: > o grow up Hey! No need to get defensive till you lose the vote :-) .robin.

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Leon Brocard
Robin Houston sent the following bits through the ether: > - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised > address. This is the key point. It is a public list. If you don't like the idea that your potential employers or employees could read everything you write then: o gr

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Houston
Well, this discussion has been beaten to death on IRC, so I feel like I'm repeating myself here. But for the public record: ;-) - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised address. - We're not plotting to bring down the government. - "Information wants to be free." Old e

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > >From the discussion on IRC, it seems that Leon's summary mail has opened > a bit of a can of worms. There are a number of people who don't like the > idea of a publically advertised archive of this mailing list. For the record, I don'

Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
>From the discussion on IRC, it seems that Leon's summary mail has opened a bit of a can of worms. There are a number of people who don't like the idea of a publically advertised archive of this mailing list. It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some time and anyone who

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-25 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Steve Mynott [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *>I just installed my own totally separate version of Perl 5.6 in *>/usr/local, used that and have had no problems to date, although its *>best to explicitly state '/usr/local/bin/perl' to prevent confusion *>and have that first in your PATH. *> *>I don't th

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-25 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:48:50PM +, Redvers Davies typed: >If you run enlightment as a windowmanager you can use the URL >epplet. You simply highlight the URL (or a lump of text which contains >a URL) and click "www", "ftp" or "get". WWW opens up a web browser, >ftp opens up an x

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-25 Thread Redvers Davies
> to delete the URL in a browser window and then paste. Being > able to click it and then hit ^V is *much* nicer (in Windows) > than this manual delete time wastage. If you run enlightment as a windowmanager you can use the URL epplet. You simply highlight the URL (or a lump of text which contai

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Mark Fowler
> > DREAMWEAVER 3.0- Training Dates Now Available! > > == > > With Dreamweaver being adopted by up to 90% of development companies > > worldwide, Focus Group are now providing cost effective, scheduled and > > company specific Dreamweaver training, offer

Re: word processors

2001-01-25 Thread Redvers Davies
> I generally find myself writing outlines on paper or in textpad and then > finishing in MSWord, since that's how everyone wants the final product. I refuse to provide documentation in Word as its prone to editing by others. For me, Lyx -> Latex -> PDF. PGP sign and deliver.

Re: JOB: desperately seeking symbian

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > you dont want this job, you'd have to sit near me ;-) > > The upside of this is that you are likely to get the occasional > chocolate bar thrown in your direction! > i only buy chocolate for good littl

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Struan Donald
* at 25/01 15:56 - Robert Shiels said: > Subject: RE: Dream weaver > > Just got sent this: > > DREAMWEAVER 3.0- Training Dates Now Available! > == > With Dreamweaver being adopted by up to 90% of development companies > worldwide, Focus Group are n

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Robert Shiels
Subject: RE: Dream weaver Just got sent this: DREAMWEAVER 3.0- Training Dates Now Available! == With Dreamweaver being adopted by up to 90% of development companies worldwide, Focus Group are now providing cost effective, scheduled and company specific

dj gets a mention

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
http://www.byte.com/column/BYT20010111S0004 -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

RE: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Dream weaver >> >>> >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the >>> >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... >>> >> >>> >>Anyone? >>> >> >>> >>Michael >>> >>> I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave >>> Cross around it turned into a LOOONG

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Leon Brocard
Matthews Simon sent the following bits through the ether: > Our solution to this has been to write some perl > code to convert Word documents (marketers tool of choice) into > Template::Toolkit templates that we use internally. IIRC, you had patched wvware to output XML. Has this patch made it i

RE: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:43:47 -, Mark Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the > >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... > >> > >>Anyone? > >> > >>Michael > > I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave > Cross ar

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:43:47PM -, Mark Kitching wrote: > >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the > >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... > >>Anyone? > >>Michael > I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave Cross > around > it turned into a LOOON

RE: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Dream weaver >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... >> >>Anyone? >> >>Michael I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave Cross around it turned into a LOOONG lunchtime. Mark.

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:37:24 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the > Dreamweaver side of this argument... > > Anyone? Wouldn't it go along the lines of: "ooh! pretty!" Dave...

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:32:46PM -, Matthews Simon wrote: > As someone who's been using templates and perl to do web sites since January > 96 I can see both sides of the argument. We (perl people) are all much > happier with the idea of building pages from bits it appeals to our > laziness.

RE: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Matthews Simon
As someone who's been using templates and perl to do web sites since January 96 I can see both sides of the argument. We (perl people) are all much happier with the idea of building pages from bits it appeals to our laziness. There are however end users to consider. Much as I have tried I canno

Re: word processors

2001-01-25 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Much as I love Computer Modern for technical work, using it for fiction > > > would just be WRONG WRONG WRONG. > > If you are interested, I have some technical documents that could also be > called fiction .. i

Re: word processors

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > Much as I love Computer Modern for technical work, using it for fiction > > would just be WRONG WRONG WRONG. If you are interested, I have some technical documents that could also be called fiction .. is it alright to use computer modern then?? -- Robin Sze

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:08:10AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > BTW does any know why Sun refer to cpu0 and cpu2 and not 0 and 1? Is > it a marketing thing so the number 2 appears as an obvious second > processor or is there a real reason? Well, if you have four processors they're numbered 0,

Re: perl code from cron

2001-01-25 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: > Hi, > > Stupid question, but a code snppet got posted to NY-PM last night, and I > wanted to play with it. The problem I have is not understanding how to add > this function (rcsw) to get it to run from cron, or indeed, to run. I've put > the code in m

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread Struan Donald
* at 25/01 11:26 + James Powell said: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:05:49AM +, Struan Donald wrote: > > * at 25/01 10:37 + Michael Stevens said: > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 06:02:25PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) nicely escapes the spac

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:05:49AM +, Struan Donald wrote: > * at 25/01 10:37 + Michael Stevens said: > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 06:02:25PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) nicely escapes the spaces to %20 but when > > > I try and download

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:09:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pretty much ! > > Having started the web site project here without much knowledge of developing > websites (having mostly been doing corporate network support before that) I > allowed the designer to choose the tools. I chose ap

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Simon_Wilcox
Roger Horne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed 24 Jan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) > >But I must ! You are only the second person I have heard of who has used >it... > [snip] >Am I right in thinking that what CS said made as much sense as "We don't

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:05:49AM +, Struan Donald wrote: > the number of times i've sent stuff to people that works fine, had > them run it through dreamweaver and then complain that it's broken > makes me wonder what the bad gui tools are like. Much much worse. Trust me on this. Michael

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread Struan Donald
* at 25/01 10:37 + Michael Stevens said: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 06:02:25PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) nicely escapes the spaces to %20 but when > > I try and download these, the %20 appears in the Netscape file save as box > > inste

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-25 Thread Philip Newton
Steve Mynott wrote: > Anil Madhavapeddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Perl is still mashed up, out of the box :-( We had to do > > some patching to get CPAN to work, and don't even think of > > installing a fresh copy, or half the admintools (linked > > against their special copy), fail mis

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:37:07 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dreamweaver is by far the best GUI html development tool I'm aware of. Maybe, but calling something the 'best' in that product category is probably damning with faint praise. Dave...

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 06:02:25PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) nicely escapes the spaces to %20 but when > I try and download these, the %20 appears in the Netscape file save as box > instead of spaces. Dreamweaver is by far the best GUI htm

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Roger Horne
On Wed 24 Jan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) But I must ! You are only the second person I have heard of who has used it... In November I was asked by a Judge to convert a court guide written in Word into HTML. Only real problem was the index which was good,

Technical Meeting Venues

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
I'm still looking for suggestions for venues for the next two technical meetings (Feb 22 & 26). How do people feel about going back to State51? Does someone want to contact the ICA? Any other suggestions? Dave...

Reminder

2001-01-25 Thread Dave Cross
Today is the last day to submit paper proposals to TPC5. Tutorials and presentations have another week. Dave...

perl code from cron

2001-01-25 Thread Robert Shiels
Hi, Stupid question, but a code snppet got posted to NY-PM last night, and I wanted to play with it. The problem I have is not understanding how to add this function (rcsw) to get it to run from cron, or indeed, to run. I've put the code in my ~/.bashrc file, am I on the right track ? -

Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-25 Thread Steve Mynott
(cc added to london.pm) Anil Madhavapeddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Sun do seem to have mended their ways a little. They even ship apache > > and bash as binary packages on extra CD with Solaris 8 and, most > > importantly, gcc! > > Perl is

Re: JOB: desperately seeking symbian

2001-01-25 Thread Steve Mynott
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > you dont want this job, you'd have to sit near me ;-) The upside of this is that you are likely to get the occasional chocolate bar thrown in your direction! -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] for every complex problem, there is a

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Benjamin Holzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 07:15:26PM -0500, Benjamin Holzman wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > > Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy >^^^ > > $ s