Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seems like we've made a reasonable start on this project. We already have a few scripts written - anyone want to report progress on any of the others? I have Guestbook, FFA and simple search all ready to for testing elsewhere - I'll package and upload

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Gareth Harper
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan Stowe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Snip * Bundling. Need to build gzipped tarballs of our new versions (I guess this should be built on top of the CVS stuff). Matt makes pkzipped versions avaiable as well - so should

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Mark Fowler
On the subject of having zip archives as well as tarballs on the server, Gareth Harper said: Winzip (what most windows users these days use to unzip) handlers tar.gz by default so that may not be neccesary. Not neccesary from a techical point of view. Neccesary from a social point of view

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Gareth Harper
- Original Message - From: "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts Projects - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Stowe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: *

[ot] NetBSD

2001-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
A quick question for all the BSD people. How do I boot NetBSD into single-user mode? In case it matters, this is on Sparc. A pint for whoever helps me reset the root password :-) -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are

Re: [ot] NetBSD

2001-03-20 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:20:19PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Resetting the root password is not too difficult, I think (I'm more used to FreeBSD, this will /probably/ work. Once booted into single user mode, do: # mount -u / # ed /etc/master.passwd 1s/:[^:]*/:/ p

Re: [ot] NetBSD

2001-03-20 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:20:19PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: I'm not totally certain things are the same on NetBSD, but you should be able to get going, by looking at this and the man pages on www.netbsd.org. You may also want to use the source code:

Re: [ot] NetBSD

2001-03-20 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:08:22PM +, David Cantrell wrote: A quick question for all the BSD people. How do I boot NetBSD into single-user mode? In case it matters, this is on Sparc. A pint for whoever helps me reset the root password :-) ok boot -s You may need variations on

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Marty Pauley
On Tue Mar 20 11:46:25 2001, Gareth Harper wrote: On a completely off topic note I'm appealing to the contractors among you here. Those of you who have yor own company. Did you set yourselves up as a Limited Company, or as a Sole Trader. If you set yourself up as a limited company did/do

Fwd: [lmug-talk] Apple comes to town !

2001-03-20 Thread Neil Ford
For those that might be interested. To: lmug-talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Michael Corgan Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:38:58 + Subject: [lmug-talk] Apple comes to town ! You might like to get in on the OS X act with LMUG. Apple UK are sending their man to our April Forum meeting, at the Crown

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Tue Mar 20 11:46:25 2001, Gareth Harper wrote: On a completely off topic note I'm appealing to the contractors among you here. Those of you who have yor own company. Did you set yourselves up as a Limited Company, or as a Sole Trader. If you set

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Gareth Harper
- Original Message - From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts Projects On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: apart from that the benfits of running as a Limited Company are large (ish) assuming you can

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 15:40 20/03/2001 +, Gareth Harper wrote: - Original Message - From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts Projects On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: apart from that the benfits of running as a

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread brianr
Marty Pauley writes: On Tue Mar 20 11:46:25 2001, Gareth Harper wrote: On a completely off topic note I'm appealing to the contractors among you here. Those of you who have yor own company. Did you set yourselves up as a Limited Company, or as a Sole Trader. If you set yourself up

Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Dave Cross
Take a look at this http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Date-MMDDYY. Now give me: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and b) as many flaws as possible in the implementation. Dave... [with his nasty, bitchy head on]

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Dean
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:18:47AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Take a look at this http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Date-MMDDYY. Now give me: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and b) as many flaws as possible in the implementation. Submit a patch for

RE: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Matthew Jones
Not neccesary from a techical point of view. Neccesary from a social point of view (What's this extension! I don't understand! What's going on! Excewpt that windows machines tend not to even show the extension by default, and so the file will just have a little WinZip icon[0], which

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts Projects On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: apart from that the benfits of running as a Limited

RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Jonathan Peterson
a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and 1. It's redundant, other modules do this already. 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD MM YY which is more sensible. b) as many flaws as possible in the implementation. No use strict

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Take a look at this http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Date-MMDDYY. Now give me: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and 1) I'm English. MMDDYY makes not sense. Maybe that's just a gripe about the name. 2)

RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Mark Fowler
Oh it's dreadful. We need quality control on CPAN before more of this gets through. Hmm. Karma would workOr sponsorship. 'Larry Wall uses $modulename, you should too' Later. Mark. -- print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} ( Name = 'Mark Fowler',

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Redvers Davies
All this is pre-ir35: as a employee of a limited company you would be paid national minimum wage (4 quid an hour) .. you pay NIC and tax on that ... (minimal) .. you claim expenses off the (ie your own) company for all the driving around you do and having to buy things and accomodation whilst

RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 16:29 20/03/2001 +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and 1. It's redundant, other modules do this already. 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD MM YY which is more sensible. Or even better

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Alex Page
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD MM YY which is more sensible. Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. Or even better still, -MM-DD :-) Alex

RE: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Chris Devers
At 04:07 PM 20.3.2001 +, you wrote: Not neccesary from a techical point of view. Neccesary from a social point of view (What's this extension! I don't understand! What's going on! Except that windows machines tend not to even show the extension by default, and so the file will just

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: At 16:29 20/03/2001 +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:40:18AM -0500, Dave Cross typed: I really think I should drop the author a polite note offering him a patch or three. s/entire_file/strftime/ ? Roger

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Dave Cross
At Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:40:35 -0500, Alex Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD MM YY which is more sensible. Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond

RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Simon Batistoni
a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and 1. It's redundant, other modules do this already. 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD MM YY which is more sensible. Not to mention the fact that YY in itself is also bad from a

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Paul Mison
On 20/03/2001 at 16:40 +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: At 16:29 20/03/2001 +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be

Re: [ot] NetBSD

2001-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
Summary: pwd_mkdb didn't work, so I tried re-installing (it was a fresh install I'd broken anyway). I then proceded to get very annoyed with the NetBSD installer, because it doesn't let you go back and correct your stupid mistakes. And then installed Debian. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: All this is pre-ir35: as a employee of a limited company you would be paid national minimum wage (4 quid an hour) .. you pay NIC and tax on that ... (minimal) .. you claim expenses off the (ie your own) company for all the driving around you do and having

Re: [ot] NetBSD

2001-03-20 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:53:32PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Summary: pwd_mkdb didn't work, so I tried re-installing (it was a fresh install I'd broken anyway). I then proceded to get very annoyed with the NetBSD installer, because it doesn't let you go back and correct your stupid

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:40:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: I really think I should drop the author a polite note offering him a patch or three. A patch? It needs taking outside and shooting! package Date::MMDDYY; use strict; use vars qw(@ISA @EXPORT_OK); require Exporter; @ISA =

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Matthew Robinson
At 16:49 20/03/01 +, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:44:55PM -, Simon Batistoni wrote: MMDDYY is about as backwards and illogical as you can possibly get[0]. Our cousins across the ocean appear to like it for some reason. I suspect this was the motivation for the module. The

RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: Michael Stevens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] MMDDYY is about as backwards and illogical as you can possibly get[0]. Our cousins across the ocean appear to like it for some reason. I suspect this was the motivation for the module. Along with a few other quirks, such as: - copper plate

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Dave Cross
At Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:01:30 +, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:40:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: I really think I should drop the author a polite note offering him a patch or three. A patch? It needs taking outside and shooting! package

Re: Module of the Year contender...

2001-03-20 Thread Dave Cross
From ny.pm. The meme is spreading :) Dave At Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:01:19 +, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the shoulders of such giants as Date::Christmas, Date::Discordian and Date::Tolkien::Shire stands Date::MMDDYY! http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Date-MMDDYY

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:07:28PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: This isn't such a crazy idea. People keep on complaining about the quality of modules on CPAN. So pick a random one and make it better ;-P Well, with a module like Date::MMDDYY the implementation _is_ broken - it uses gmtime()

Re: Module of the Year contender...

2001-03-20 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:14:44PM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: From ny.pm. The meme is spreading :) At Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:01:19 +, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the shoulders of such giants as Date::Christmas, Date::Discordian and Date::Tolkien::Shire stands

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:44:04PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: At 16:29 20/03/2001 +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: a) a two reasons why this module should never have been

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Matthew Robinson
Hows this for a patch: package Date::MMDDYY; use strict; use vars qw(@ISA @EXPORT); use Carp; use Exporter; @ISA = qw(Exporter); @EXPORT = qw(datecon); sub datecon { croak "Date::MMDDYY has been deprecated in favour of POSIX::strftime"; } 1; Matt At 17:16 20/03/01 +, you

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:24:38PM -0500, Chris Devers typed: Would a CPAN replacement have to be "drop-in"? I can see the argument behind making replacements for MSA code be functionally identical in most visible ways, but when you're dealing with CPAN code, presumably, you're

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:43:08AM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: ...except that the Windows extension hiding feature only applies to files seen through the normal filesystem tools (Windows Explorer, various dialog boxes, etc), and not Internetty stuff. People might still be scared off by seeing

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Then they deserve to be hurt. Really. We can't possibly support dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to do so. If someone is scared by a .tar.gz

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Then they deserve to be hurt. Really. We can't possibly support dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Robert Shiels
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Then they deserve to be hurt. Really. We can't possibly support dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Gareth Harper
- Original Message - From: "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts Projects .tar.gz - wtf is that, why isn't there a zip file. People keep misunderstanding this point: just because someone is using

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to know. Guess that makes me a luser! you need the unzip(1) NAMEunzip - list, test and extract compressed files in a ZI

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:44:04PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Am I allowed to mention -MM-DD, which actually sorts best of all... Do we really not learn from Y2K? You have a Y10K problem. -- For me, UNIX is a way of being. -Armando P. Stettner

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:34:06PM +, David Cantrell wrote: You are Michael Schwern, and I claim your m4d h41rkut skillz. Oh, get real. Schwern has *no* relation to haircuts *at all*... dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ We went on holiday by

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Then they deserve to be hurt. Really. We can't possibly support dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to

Re: Module of the Year contender...

2001-03-20 Thread Marcel Grunauer
At Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:01:19 +, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot e: On the shoulders of such giants as Date::Christmas, Date::Discordian and Date::Tolkien::Shire stands Date::MMDDYY! http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Date-MMDDYY Reason #120398 why I need to get CPANTS off