Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Philip Newton]

David H. Adler wrote:
> The canonical phrasing (mjd in his guise as RETARDO): YOU CAN'T JUST
> MAKE SHIT UP AND EXPECT THE COMPUTER TO MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!

As can be easily retrieved by telling purl to "be mjd".

Cheers,
Philip

(That version has s/MEAN!/MEAN, RETARDO!/ , which is the way I remember it,
too; I think there (is|was) also an MS Comic Chat version of that on mjd's
homepage.)
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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:45:23AM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> > > > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
^^
> > > 
> > > What does it do?
> > 
> > It, er... parses Perl.

Strictly speaking it doesn't do anything, due to not currently existing.

> ooh! I though only perl parsed perl.. how exactly does it parse perl...

A man who needs to go to my Parsing Perl talk at TPC!

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, David H. Adler wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:07:28AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be
> > > that it parses approximate Perl.
> > >
> >
> > Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to
> > work' redundant ?
>
> The canonical phrasing (mjd in his guise as RETARDO): YOU CAN'T JUST
> MAKE SHIT UP AND EXPECT THE COMPUTER TO MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!
>

Yeah, thats what I meant. Cheers Dave.

/J\

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[David H. Adler]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:07:28AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be
> > that it parses approximate Perl.
> >
> 
> Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to
> work' redundant ?

The canonical phrasing (mjd in his guise as RETARDO): YOU CAN'T JUST
MAKE SHIT UP AND EXPECT THE COMPUTER TO MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!

dha
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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description 
> > > would be that it parses approximate Perl.
> > 
> > Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it 
> > to work' redundant ?
> 
> Well, not just "any old shit" - just how mad do you think I am?[1]. But 
> maybe it would deal with the occasional typo. Or perhaps keywords in a 
> different language... or something like that.
> 
> > Crack Head.
> 
> Thank you :)

Well the thing is that Dave's proposed module wouldn't score high on CiP,
the same goes for Sub::Approx. However modules that used them seriously
would, so maybe we need another term for this ...

Crack Dealer - One who produces modules, code snippets or techniques
that will in themselves not high in the CiP rating, helps others encourage
high CiP ratings.

-- 
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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Dave Cross]

At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description 
> > would be that it parses approximate Perl.
> 
> Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it 
> to work' redundant ?

Well, not just "any old shit" - just how mad do you think I am?[1]. But 
maybe it would deal with the occasional typo. Or perhaps keywords in a 
different language... or something like that.

> Crack Head.

Thank you :)

Dave..

[1] Rhetorical!

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be
> that it parses approximate Perl.
>

Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to
work' redundant ?

Crack Head.

/J\

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Dave Cross]

At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:45:23 +0100 (BST), Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> > At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> > > > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
> > > 
> > > What does it do?
> > 
> > It, er... parses Perl.
> 
> ooh! I though only perl parsed perl.. how exactly does it parse 
> perl... no its okay I'll look at the pod.. /me cpan's.

Well, I wouldn't look for it just yet. It's only a mad idea right now.

The phrase you're looking for is "only perl can parse Perl", but if
you look at Damian Conway's projects page at 
 you'll see that he's
planning a Parse::Perl module which will allow Perl (as opposed to perl)
to parse Perl. My proposed module builds on that.

And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be
that it parses approximate Perl.

Is that any clearer?

Dave...

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Aaron Trevena]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > 
> > > Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> > > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
> > 
> > What does it do?
> 
> It, er... parses Perl.

ooh! I though only perl parsed perl.. how exactly does it parse perl... no
its okay I'll look at the pod.. /me cpan's.

A.

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[David Cantrell]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:52:23AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > 
> > > Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> > > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
> > 
> > What does it do?
> 
> It, er... parses Perl.
> 
> Approximately.

For a twisted example of approximately parsing a subset of perl, see
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/perl-dep.  It's not pretty, and
I probably wouldn't write it that way now.  It was originally written
whilst at Oven in an attempt to compensate for the total lack of
documentation on the ecountries.com project.  Aside from the documented
weaknesses (it doesn't try to correctly handle comments or quoted text,
nor does it know about the evils of EXPORT), it is surprisingly
accurate at finding dependencies between files and subroutines.

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Dave Cross]

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > 
> > Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
> 
> What does it do?

It, er... parses Perl.

Approximately.

Dave...
[I may practice the talk at the next technical meeting]

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Greg McCarroll]

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > David H. Adler wrote:
> > > What, no CiP rating???
> > 
> > Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty
> > straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well hijack the
> > Convert::Base32 module for the purpose.
> 
> Maybe we should implement a pCiP rating, for *potential* for CiP, based
> on how marvellously deranged a program is conceptually...
> 

motion carried, todo list increased

-- 
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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:38:16 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> > > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
> > You are an evil man.
> You know I'm going to take that as a compliment :)

Sick and twisted too? :)

MBM

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Robin Houston]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)

What does it do?

 .robin.

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Dave Cross]

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:38:16 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
> 
> You are an evil man.

You know I'm going to take that as a compliment :)

Dave...

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
> proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)

You are an evil man.

MBM

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Dave Cross]

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:33:16 -0500, "David H. Adler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > David H. Adler wrote:
> > > What, no CiP rating???
> > 
> > Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty
> > straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well 
> > hijack the Convert::Base32 module for the purpose.
> 
> Maybe we should implement a pCiP rating, for *potential* for CiP, 
> based on how marvellously deranged a program is conceptually...

Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)

Dave...

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[David H. Adler]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> David H. Adler wrote:
> > What, no CiP rating???
> 
> Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty
> straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well hijack the
> Convert::Base32 module for the purpose.

Maybe we should implement a pCiP rating, for *potential* for CiP, based
on how marvellously deranged a program is conceptually...

dha
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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Philip Newton]

David H. Adler wrote:
> What, no CiP rating???

Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty
straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well hijack the
Convert::Base32 module for the purpose.

Cheers,
Philip
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> agreed, this is just f*cking crazy, sorry for the swearing, but this
> is the craziest thing i've seen this year
>

I wouldnt get too carried away after all its only march :)

/J\

Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:07:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> agreed, this is just f*cking crazy, sorry for the swearing, but this
> is the craziest thing i've seen this year

What, no CiP rating???

dha
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Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Dave Cross]

At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:34 +0200, Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is 
> > to make it relate to buffy in some way :)
> 
> That reminds me of an idea I had this morning on the way to work -- 
> encode text using "Buffy" with uppercase and lowercase letters: 
> uppercase letters stand for "0" bits and lowercase letters for "1" 
> bits. (Or, if you prefer, bit 5 / 2**5 / 32 of each character 
> represents the bit to be encoded.) Then you just have to chop the 
> message into 5-bit chunks (adding 0 bits at the end if needed to pad 
> to a 5-bit boundary) and translate.

I'm pretty sure I've seen something like this before. You encode text
using the word 'moo'. I think it used upper and lower case 'o' and also
a zero. I'm sure there was a web page somewhere that converted text
to and from 'moo's.

Or maybe I dreamt it.

Dave...

Buffycode (was Re: "That book")

[Philip Newton]

Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is 
> to make it relate to buffy in some way :)

That reminds me of an idea I had this morning on the way to work -- encode
text using "Buffy" with uppercase and lowercase letters: uppercase letters
stand for "0" bits and lowercase letters for "1" bits. (Or, if you prefer,
bit 5 / 2**5 / 32 of each character represents the bit to be encoded.) Then
you just have to chop the message into 5-bit chunks (adding 0 bits at the
end if needed to pad to a 5-bit boundary) and translate.

"London.pm"[1], in this method, turns into "BuFFy bUFFy bUffy bUffY bufFY
buFFy BUFfy Buffy BufFy buFFY bUffy BUffy BUFFY buFfy BuFFY". See? Bears no
resemblance to "London.pm" at all; all spies' attempts at figuring out the
true meaning will be thwarted!

Alernatively, there's the "beer" code, which has the advantage of mapping 4
bits handily to one nybble; "London.pm" then turns into "BeER beER BeeR beer
BeeR beeR BeeR BeER BeeR beer BeeR beeR BEeR beeR Beer BEER BeeR beEr".

Cheers,
Philip

[1] "London.pm" = 4c 6f 6e 64 6f 6e 2e 70 6d hex, or 01001100 0110
01101110 01100100 0110 01101110 00101110 0111 01101101 binary, or
01001 10001 10111 10110 11100 11001 00011 0 01101 11000 10111 00111
0 11011 01+000 in 5-bit groups
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Re: "That book"

[David H. Adler]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 05:04:03PM +, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
> 
> MBM wrote:
> 
> > > > > Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script archive it
> > > > > won't be.
> >
> > The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is to make it
> > relate to buffy in some way :)
> 
> Or beer.  Or both ;-)

The CaveSlayer Archive.  Or has that not gotten across the great wide
ocean yet?

dha
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Re: That book

[Paul Makepeace]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 05:18:03PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > at . I've been
> 
> it does strike me as a bit odd that there are 4 damming reviews and one
> totally glowing one .. how can that be .. ?? these are not slight
> diffreneces of opinion but total polarity .. and 28 out of 31 found the
> great review helpful .. bet he got his mate to write it :)

That review is so obviously and laughably rigged.

Amazon should implement (but not patent) a "Come on guys, is this
for real?" button which suggests to the site operators some sort of
review of the review and closer look at who rated the review (e.g. 28
identical IP address, registered user IDs that differ only by
a numerical suffix, etc...)

Paul

Re: "That book"

[Robin Szemeti]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, you wrote:

> I thought that 'EasyScripts' (or, even, 'EZScripts') 

and I can tell you that ezscripts.org is still available 

the .com is a parking page and the .net  doesn;t resolve.
-- 
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The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!

Re: "That book"

[Leon Brocard]

Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether:

> I thought that 'EasyScripts' (or, even, 'EZScripts') had most people's
> approval.

Well, if anything, we should choose a name which isn't already taken
with some bad scripts. Google first, guys!

Leon
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Re: "That book"

[Mark Fowler]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Natalie Ford wrote:

> >How at http://london.pm.org/scripts/
> 
> 404...
> 

(Who will do some HTML this weekend)

Later.

Mark. 


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Re: "That book"

[Natalie Ford]

>How at http://london.pm.org/scripts/

404...

Re: "That book"

[Ian Brayshaw]

Dave Cross wrote:
>At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:37:51 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > L. said:
> >
> > > World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
> >
> > Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script
> > archive it won't be.
> >
> > Ideas to the usual address.
> >
> > *Please*
>
>I thought that 'EasyScripts' (or, even, 'EZScripts') had most
>people's approval. I thought it ws alright - well, taking the target
>audience into account :)
>
>Dave...

What about "Web Scripts" or "Web Tools"? Maybe it's just me, but "EZScripts" 
sounds like the LCD, and while these people are the target, the archive 
itself is not the LCD. (Maybe I just miss the point of targeted marketing.)


Ian
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Re: "That book"

[Lucy McWilliam]

MBM wrote:

> > > > Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script archive it
> > > > won't be.
>
> The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is to make it
> relate to buffy in some way :)

Or beer.  Or both ;-)


Lucy.

Re: "That book"

[Lucy McWilliam]

> At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:37:51 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
> > 
> > Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script 
> > archive it won't be.

Might as well mention London.pm, tho' "London.pm's Script Arcives" is a
bit out of a mouthful.  Things along the lines of EasyScripts, EasyCGI,
SimpleScripts, etc. sound a leetle cheesy (or is it just the rhyme that
worries me?) and have been used numerous times before.  

/me tries to think of summat original (slowly, given it is Bastarday)


Lucy

Re: "That book"

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > > > World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
> > > Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script archive it
> > > won't be.
> > I don't think we tried "London.pm's Script Archive", did we? :)
> Okay, I can live with that.

Oops. That wasn't really meant to be a serious suggestion...

> How at http://london.pm.org/scripts/ 

:)

The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is to make it
relate to buffy in some way :)

MBM (runs away now...)

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Re: "That book"

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:37:51 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> L. said:
> 
> > World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
> 
> Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script 
> archive it won't be.
> 
> Ideas to the usual address.
> 
> *Please*

I thought that 'EasyScripts' (or, even, 'EZScripts') had most people's
approval. I thought it ws alright - well, taking the target audience
into account :)

Dave...

Re: "That book"

[Mark Fowler]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > > World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
> > Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script archive it
> > won't be.
> 
> I don't think we tried "London.pm's Script Archive", did we? :)

Okay, I can live with that.

How at http://london.pm.org/scripts/ 

Later.

Mark.

(Who will do some HTML this weekend)

-- 
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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: "That book"

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
> Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script archive it
> won't be.

I don't think we tried "London.pm's Script Archive", did we? :)

MBM

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Re: "That book"

[Mark Fowler]

L. said:

> World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!

Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script archive it
won't be.

Ideas to the usual address.

*Please*

Later.

Mark.

(damnit Jim, I'm a Technology Developer, not a Copywriter)

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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: "That book"

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> Here's an extract from an email I've just got from Elizabeth Castro,
> the author of "Perl & CGI for the WWW - Visual Quickstrt Guide".
> She's talking about the second edition which should be out in a couple
> of months.
> 
> "I am using many of your suggestions, including use strict, -w, and 
> CGI.pm. I think they're going to make the book much stronger."

World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!


L.
"Imagine a world where we ran out of punctuation."

Re: "That book"

[Aaron Trevena]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> Here's an extract from an email I've just got from Elizabeth Castro,
> the author of "Perl & CGI for the WWW - Visual Quickstrt Guide".
> She's talking about the second edition which should be out in a couple
> of months.
> 
> "I am using many of your suggestions, including use strict, -w, and 
> CGI.pm. I think they're going to make the book much stronger."
> 
> So I think we can score that one up as a success.

cool.

The plan to improve the worldwide standard of perl is working.

A.

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Re: That book

[Dave Cross]

At 19:01 22/03/2001, you wrote:
>On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
> > But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?
>^^
>I don't understand.

I think you'll find in it the dictionary as the definition of "oxymoron".

Dave...



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Re: That book

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
> But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?
   ^^
I don't understand.

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Re: That book

[Dave Cross]

At 18:25 22/03/2001, you wrote:
>Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:
>
> > bet he got his mate to write it :)
>
>I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the
>author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable
>publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?

Don't look at me. I know nothing about "respectable publishers".

Dave...

p.s. And bear in mind the fact that this book is published by the same 
group who publish the "... for Dummies" books.



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Re: That book

[Robin Szemeti]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > bet he got his mate to write it :)
> 
> I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the
> author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable
> publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?

.. what made it even more noticeable was that most reviews are one
paragraph of passing comments in a fairly informal style  that one is
around 2000 words, with chapter numbers and everything ... you'd think
they'd be more subtle :)

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Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!

Re: That book

[Leon Brocard]

Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:

> bet he got his mate to write it :)

I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the
author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable
publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?

Leon
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RE: That book

[Robin Szemeti]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:

> My current target is "Open Source Linux Web Programming" by
> Christopher Jones and Crew Batchelor. You can see my review of _that_
> at . I've been
> exchanging emails with one of the authors, who has already admitted
> that they don't really "get" Perl and were far more interested in the
> Java chapters later on.

it does strike me as a bit odd that there are 4 damming reviews and one
totally glowing one .. how can that be .. ?? these are not slight
diffreneces of opinion but total polarity .. and 28 out of 31 found the
great review helpful .. bet he got his mate to write it :)

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The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!

RE: That book

[Clarke, Darren]

Title: RE: That book





Dave wrote:
>Well, it's still on the Waterstones site atm, but I'd appreciate it if
>you could lose it.


>It's part of a kind of deal that we struck. She agreed to listen to my
>suggestions if I stopped slagging her off in public :)


>My current target is "Open Source Linux Web Programming" by
>Christopher Jones and Crew Batchelor. You can see my review of _that_
>at <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764546198/>. I've been
>exchanging emails with one of the authors, who has already admitted
>that they don't really "get" Perl and were far more interested in the
>Java chapters later on.


Your review has now been removed from Waterstones.  I just wish the Waterstone's recommended list was as easy to manipulate :¬P

Nice review by the way...when I write my life story I think I shall have to get you to check it first - it may be scarily inaccurate!

Darren Clarke
Neophyte


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RE: That book

[Dave Cross]

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:53:12 -, "Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> >At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months =
> >> ago?
> >>
> >> The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around 
> >> at the February social meeting?
> 
> Dave Cross replied:
> >It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web (Visual Quickstart 
> >Guide)" 
> 
> >by Elizabeth Castro
> 
> >I've just rememebered that I put my review on your site as well.
> 
> >Having exchanged emails with the author and studied the book far more
> >closely, I've come to the conclusion that it's nowehere near as bad 
> >as I thought. I've asked Amazon to remove the review and should 
> >probably get Waterstones to do the same.
> 
> >Don't get me wrong - it's not a good book by any means, it's just not
> >_as_ bad as I originally said.
> 
> Fair enough - I just fancied reading your review :=AC)

Well, it's still on the Waterstones site atm, but I'd appreciate it if
you could lose it.

It's part of a kind of deal that we struck. She agreed to listen to my
suggestions if I stopped slagging her off in public :)

My current target is "Open Source Linux Web Programming" by
Christopher Jones and Crew Batchelor. You can see my review of _that_
at . I've been
exchanging emails with one of the authors, who has already admitted
that they don't really "get" Perl and were far more interested in the
Java chapters later on.

Dave...

RE: That book

[Clarke, Darren]

Title: RE: That book





>At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>> What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago?
>> 
>> The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at 
>> the February social meeting?


Dave Cross replied:
>It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web (Visual Quickstart Guide)" 
>by Elizabeth Castro


>I've just rememebered that I put my review on your site as well.


>Having exchanged emails with the author and studied the book far more
>closely, I've come to the conclusion that it's nowehere near as bad as
>I thought. I've asked Amazon to remove the review and should probably 
>get Waterstones to do the same.


>Don't get me wrong - it's not a good book by any means, it's just not
>_as_ bad as I originally said.


Fair enough - I just fancied reading your review :¬)


Darren

Re: That book

[Dave Cross]

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago?
> 
> The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at 
> the February social meeting?

It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web (Visual Quickstart Guide)" 
by Elizabeth Castro

I've just rememebered that I put my review on your site as well.

Having exchanged emails with the author and studied the book far more
closely, I've come to the conclusion that it's nowehere near as bad as
I thought. I've asked Amazon to remove the review and should probably 
get Waterstones to do the same.

Don't get me wrong - it's not a good book by any means, it's just not
_as_ bad as I originally said.

Dave...