[LUTE] Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread chriswilke
Wayne, Yes and no. Certainly, lutenists of the past were not into early music the way we are now, but many of the greatest hits of past eras remained popular well into periods in which the mainstream style - or the lute itself - was quite different. Just look at the Augsberg manuscript

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread chriswilke
Howard, --- howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, really bad example. Lots of ensembles do German Music, 1712-1720. They title it Complete Brandenburgs and sell lots of tickets. But this isn't quite fair - Bach and Brandenburg Concerto are names people recognize. Beatles

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread chriswilke
David, --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again, point taken. But it's not all that way. Consider Piazzolla: he's a cultural force. Listening to L'Histoire du Tango is for me like strolling through a gallery of

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-28 Thread chriswilke
Dear David, Your reasoning is historically correct, but this puts us in something of a quandry from a practical performance view. Just take Dowland, for example. His Lachrimae lute solo exists in a version for six-course lute, (its 7-course in Board and Folger) Flow my teares is for

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-28 Thread chriswilke
--- David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Galliard is a later composition, and probably designed for the amateur market--it is a fine piece, just not that difficult. Amateur, really? Lightening-quick divisions over a moving bass easy amateur material? The combination of the faster

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-27 Thread chriswilke
I wonder how big of a difference the 8 courses really make in the long run. Sure there are minute tonal differences, but... Let's say, in a sadistic experiment, someone plays a piece by, say, Francesco behind a screen four times - twice on six-course lutes and twice on eight-coursers in no

[LUTE] Re: Is this where we're headed?

2007-11-23 Thread chriswilke
G., I actually believe this is quite cool. I've thought for a while that it would be great to have a solid-body electric theorbo or baroque lute with detachable sides like the SoloEtte travel classical guitar (http://www.soloette.com/nylonspecs.htm). With headphones, this would be great for

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: mechancal lute?

2007-10-31 Thread chriswilke
Why? A mechanical 97-course lute could play a nice little duet with the automated sousaphone. CW --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shoot him if ever does. RT - Original Message - From: H.L. Pakker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

[LUTE] Re: No guts no glory

2007-10-24 Thread chriswilke
Dear all, Wow, the scope of this list astounds me... When we're not spending days talking about how great gut strings are, we're spending days talking about how to talk about how great gut strings are in lingua mortua. Now let's see how many correct or incorrect ways we can all think up to say

[LUTE] Re: Tweaking youtube video sound

2007-10-21 Thread chriswilke
Daniel, I compared your new vids with some of your older ones. There was some sound improvement with these (the bouree is the least successful). However, the difference was qualitative rather than quantitative. I could listen to your older videos just as easily as these new ones.

[LUTE] Re: not amplified

2007-10-15 Thread chriswilke
--- Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have never been to a church for its intended purpose, it makes me wonder about the sermons and readings - perhaps that is why pulpits are where they are. Yes, that's why the pulpit is where it is. More importantly, audibility was why

[LUTE] Wilke on the Radio

2007-10-12 Thread chriswilke
Lutenists, About 20 mintues of music from my theorbo CD will be featured on the Sunday Baroque program this Sunday, Oct. 14th. My segment will be broadcast right around the beginning of the last hour (That's 11:06 where I live.) The program gets distribution throughout the US and US

[LUTE] Re: Amps or no amps

2007-10-09 Thread chriswilke
Gary, --- gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know some are going to reply that with proper technique, touch etc. you should be able to play loud enough. But my experience is it just ain't so. The lute absolutely can project. When I was in school for classical guitar, it was drilled

[LUTE] Re: Amps or no amps

2007-10-09 Thread chriswilke
--- Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not even my highly tweaked system could cope with the micro-dynamics and low-level detail of the lute on my large collection of Astrée and Reflexe LPs, and CDs faired even worse. I've found that the only solution to the problem of

[LUTE] Re: Lute concert

2007-09-24 Thread chriswilke
Dear all, We seem to be concentrating on just the softness of playing. What about Bruno's other comment that it was also painful to hear or to understand what [Rooley] was doing? (Bruno even went so far as to call him a poor chap.) All the painstaking academic research in the world doesn't

[LUTE] Re: Few surviving working lutes (loudness/quietness)

2007-09-20 Thread chriswilke
--- Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because of this penury of data, I suppose we do tend to grab at the few existing lutes and the occasional passing allusion to reinforce the ideas we have about the instruments of a period. Quite right. As I've said before, surviving

[LUTE] Re: Quietness of playing (was: magnesium)

2007-09-18 Thread chriswilke
David, --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to keep in mind, though, that most of the solo music lutenists play in large concert halls was not originally intended to be heard that way. Yes, but what about all the descriptions and paintings of lutes being played

[LUTE] Re: St. John Passion

2007-09-05 Thread chriswilke
Stewart, et al, Of course, rather than worrying so much about open basses, one could just as easily play troublesome notes up an octave. From looking at the solo repertoire for baroque lute alone, it seems this was very standard practice. In these pieces in which the composer had freedom

[LUTE] Re: St. John Passion/basses

2007-09-05 Thread chriswilke
--- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was under the impression that playing the bass line _down_ an octave, where possible, was standard practice (cf continuo realizations in Fundamenta der Lauten Musique), but not vice versa. Perhaps, however, the key phrase here is where

[LUTE] Re: CDs LPs touring

2007-08-23 Thread chriswilke
Anthony, --- Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just shows how heroic Jakob Lindberg's gut strung Rauwolf project and his Bis recordings must have been, the mind boggles! I have this CD. Its an absolutely beautiful recording and - wow, what an amazing sound! (I bought it, by

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque lute newbie (waaahooo!)

2007-08-23 Thread chriswilke
Jim, You also may want to play much closer to the bridge than you would on guitar. It will take some getting used to to find the spot between too brittle and too syrupy-sweet. Playing closer to the bridge, however, A)makes it easier to play, B)gives more control over tone colors,

[LUTE] Re: J.L. Rauwolf + Weiss

2007-08-23 Thread chriswilke
Anthony, --- Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a fair point. However, at least some of Weiss, I believe, was composed on 11c lute, and some of it I think was later transposed for 13c lute. Yes, this is definately true. Lindberg makes this point with L'infidele,

[LUTE] Re: Bach in our attention

2007-08-01 Thread chriswilke
Hera, I don't know... I do wonder why someone like POD chose to focus his attention on these works, which, as has been mentioned, have been recorded many, many times? There's SO much music out there that hasn't been recorded that needs attention! O'Dette has taken many chances with

[LUTE] Re: Early Baroque basso continuo rules

2007-07-30 Thread chriswilke
David, --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no danger in knowledge, it will only increase our understanding and appreciation of art. I agree completely, however we can't remove the variable of the student him/herself from the equation. Any student - and this applies to all of us

[LUTE] Re: Early Baroque basso continuo rules

2007-07-30 Thread chriswilke
David, --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see more and more historical awareness in the non-early music players around me, so HIP is becoming part of main stream classical music. And I see a more liberal attitude towards HIP-ness in the early music players around me, so they

[LUTE] Re: Early Baroque basso continuo rules

2007-07-29 Thread chriswilke
--- Alfonso Marin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am tempted to say that I can figure a charlatan healer saying the same thing about real medicine. What does annoy you? How can knowledge annoy you? Maybe you are just scared to go through all that information and making an efford to

[LUTE] Re: Early Baroque basso continuo rules

2007-07-29 Thread chriswilke
Alfonso, Yes, but who was it that said something like Learning continuo 'rules' is like learning to swim on dry land.? Certainly one should take the time to learn the rules and look at treatises, but ultimatly figured bass has to be something intuitive gained by forcing yourself to go

[LUTE] Re: ugh....pellergini again #3

2007-07-24 Thread chriswilke
--- David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is an interesting picture. No nails on the thumb and first finger, but nails on the other ones. The dark spot under first finger is the shadow, in contrast to the light nails. Clearly looks like nails on the thumb and index finger. The engraver

[LUTE] Re: Johann Georg Albrechtsberger

2007-07-23 Thread chriswilke
David, Interesting. We had a discussion on this list about a year ago and I remember several folks saying that the mandora/gallichon was actually in D (like your bass lute) with the third string raised a half-step when compared to a lute in old tuning. Before that, I'd always heard that it

[LUTE] Re: lute is hard

2007-07-07 Thread chriswilke
Daniel, Also interesting was the link below this story to another one: Perseverance Pays Off for 10-year-old Guitarist. (The title gave me a chuckle, since it shows the media's complete incomprehension of what classical musicians must do. Just how much real perseverance can this kid

[LUTE] Re: mics arrived

2007-07-06 Thread chriswilke
Stephen, --- Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Wilke wrote: Don't get me wrong: I'm putting down violinists, or saying that they have an easy task! A Freudian slip? Now, that's not fair! I think it is perfectly clear exactly what I meant - violinists play an

[LUTE] Re: lute is hard (was: mics arrived)

2007-07-06 Thread chriswilke
David, --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lutes and guitars _are_ difficult instruments. Guitar pupil of mine of about 12, doing well after three years of lessons, enjoying it and studying regulary at home (!), performed his piece on this year's pupils' night. Congratulations!

[LUTE] Re: mics arrived

2007-07-05 Thread chriswilke
--- David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as a point of reference, the average number of edits on a 60 minute classical CD is about 800. The maximum I have seen on a lute CD (lute CDs run higher than average) is 1800. I've heard similar numbers before. My jaw dropped the first

[LUTE] Re: Budget lute recordings

2007-07-05 Thread chriswilke
David, Thanks for this. Lots of good info here! Looking forward to the longer article. Chris --- David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A number of people have requested info on recordings; I am preparing a longer article for the web but the material below is sufficient to get

[LUTE] Re: mics arrived

2007-07-05 Thread chriswilke
--- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a feeling that the power of the producer, the technical possibilities, the skills of the sound engineer and the flawless standard set by cds already out there, have pushed cd recording in this direction. Its a broader cultural thing.

[LUTE] Re: mics arrived

2007-07-04 Thread chriswilke
Ed, Oh, brave warrior, I kneel at your feet! No edits is certainly the hard way to go! On my CD, I tried to get as natural a sound as possible - fairly close, dry and with few edits. There are a fair number of tracks on there that are done in one uninterrupted take. (Strange thing:

[LUTE] Re: Mics arrived

2007-07-04 Thread chriswilke
Neil, Yes, and on Hoppy's Vieux Gaultier CD, you can hear breathing, buzzes, cracked notes, and even a storm outside. I think there's a recording by Diego Cantalupi where you can hear birds singing in the background. (I don't even think the piece was by Respighi ;-)) Chris --- Narada

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread chriswilke
Diego and all, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, most of the survived instruments (and also my theorbo) can mount double strings. From this I can assume that we all play unhistorically single mounted theorbos... Actually, there's quite clear iconographic evidence to support single

[LUTE] Snap pizzicato for lute?

2007-06-19 Thread chriswilke
Hello all, I remember hearing a long time ago that there was a piece for baroque lute that called for the snap pizzicato (AKA Bartok pizzicato - I assume it would be one of his earlier lute works ;-) . Am I crazy or does the snap-pizz piece really exist? If so, by whom and what title?

[LUTE] Re: Lute Chord Confusion

2007-06-17 Thread chriswilke
Stephan, --- Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 16 Jun 2007 um 8:31 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: I just met the other day with a highly competent classical guitarist who could not remember for the life of her how to finger a B minor chord. Excuse me, but isn't

[LUTE] Re: Lute Chord Confusion

2007-06-16 Thread chriswilke
Denys and all, I've thought about this a bit and don't find it so strange that the lute typically doesn't have stock block chord shapes. How many contemporary, modern, 21st-century, just published, classical guitar methods include a chord chart? I don't know of many now nor in the

[LUTE] Re: Lute Chord Confusion

2007-06-15 Thread chriswilke
Whoa, let's all cool it for a moment... I don't know that anyone was trying to be snobby here, but I suppose I can see where the disconnect was. A lot of the Europeans on the list assume a certain level of basic general music theory knowledge. They are in the right to do so. Sadly,

[LUTE] Re: awad ahmodi

2007-06-11 Thread chriswilke
At 06:22 PM 6/8/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: toe tapping stuff from this blind sudanese oud player - interesting way of holding a risha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjgozomLcLs (from mike's ouds) Good stuff. There's a lot of Western influence there, though. Chords aren't a

[LUTE] Re: complete Piccinini on cd

2007-05-23 Thread chriswilke
--- Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francesca Torelli www.francescatorelli.com Luciano Contini http://www.continiconsort.com Are either of these players using nails on this recording a la Piccinini's suggestion? Contini used a wire-strung, single-strung lute for his

[LUTE] Re: Chaconne for Harlequin

2007-05-11 Thread chriswilke
Arthur, There's a Chaconne des Harlequins in D Major for theorbo by de Visèe in Saizenay. p.340 Chris --- Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the source for a piece titled (in English??) Chaconne for Harlequin. Is that clear? does anyone know of such a piece,

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread chriswilke
David, Its rare, but he does use it. Seems to show up mostly in ascending arpeggios within preludes. This happens very prominently in the E Minor Prelude on p.308 of Saizenay after the first chord and bass note, the is a 5-note arpeggio marked thumb-thumb-index-middle-ring (| | . .. ...).

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread chriswilke
Ed, Wow, thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And wha timing - I need to mention one important thing in conjunction with this album, however. Charles Hurel: Works for Theorbo; Christopher Wilke, theorbo, formerly a self-release with a different title, is now available with Centaur

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread chriswilke
Nigel, I'm going to leave the virtually the same instrument part out of the question for the moment. The whole debate over double vs. single string as well as Italian vs. French performance practice could get ugly. I use the essentially the same technique for Castaldi, Pittoni,

[LUTE] Re: Another beginner's question

2007-05-02 Thread chriswilke
--- Joseph Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The false impressions I need to correct in Chris' e-mail are:1. Classical guitar technique is counter-intuitive. I too am a classical guitarist. I continue to play, teach, and compose for classical guitar alongside the lute, and I think I do a

[LUTE] Re: Another beginner's question

2007-05-01 Thread chriswilke
--- John Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel like I'm having to unlearn all my 'good' guitar habits! Yes, its a different approach. Ironically, though, throughout the guitar's history, much right hand technique shared a lot in common with the lute technique you're learning now. It was

[LUTE] Re: de visee kellner

2007-04-21 Thread chriswilke
Mathias, I thought both Lislevand's and Bonavitas' performances were nice. Chris --- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davide Bioccoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi to all... Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand playing De Visée:

[LUTE] Re: de visee kellner

2007-04-21 Thread chriswilke
--- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I especially disliked Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Not my preference, either. Hoppy Smith does this sort of thing all over his de Visee album and it seems like lots of folks

[LUTE] Re: Some thoughts on accessibility of original sources of music

2007-04-12 Thread chriswilke
--- Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In practice I find that the vast majority of players are very happy with a plain black and white print produced by less high quality reproduction techniques such as those available from SPES (at a fraction of BP prices). It seems there

[LUTE] Re: Some thoughts on accessibility of original sources of music

2007-04-11 Thread chriswilke
--- steve gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even if a library is state-funded, it isn't necessarily completelystate-funded. and further, not all state-funded services are free. True, we pay for many state-run services. However, the question remains: what services are libraries actually

[LUTE] Re: Some thoughts on accessibility of original sources of music

2007-04-11 Thread chriswilke
--- steve gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i disagree with your statement chris about maintaining a state of stasis for these items. just to maintain old manscripts is highly cost intensive, as gordon elaborated. You're actually agreeing with me here. My point was that holding even

[LUTE] Re: Some thoughts on accessibility of original sources of music

2007-04-11 Thread chriswilke
Gordon, I think your message makes it clear that there _must_ be a concerted effort to digitize as much materials as soon as possible. Knowing this, who could care about global warming!? Those books will be gone long before Nebraska is under water if this keeps up. Sad, really. Chris

[LUTE] Re: lute teacher Needed..Scam?

2007-04-06 Thread chriswilke
Ron, Total scam. Knew it already from the name - the con-artists seem to _love_ using two first names. (I happen to know TWO real guys named Bob George. I hope they never go into internet marketing.) I get about four or five emails like this a day. You know what they say...if its too

[LUTE] Re: Stung again

2007-03-30 Thread chriswilke
Dear all, I heard a report last week that classical music was the genre with the single largest increase in sales over all styles last year: up 22%. This was largely due to two performers: the ever-popular Andrea Bocelli and Sting. Chris --- gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[LUTE] Re: More on Sting again REVISED

2007-02-28 Thread chriswilke
--- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you were a Catholic in the England of 1600, probably you would be left alone as long as you didn't get political. --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you were a Catholic in the England of 1600, probably you would be left

[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices

2007-02-07 Thread chriswilke
Andrew, I know Nigel North had nylgut and Savarez synthetics on his ten-course last time I saw him. baroque lute I don't remember. Chris --- Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque

[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices

2007-02-07 Thread chriswilke
Denys, --- Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Nylgut too, and love the sound it makes on my lutes, but I would hate to be taken too seriously. ..But how are you ever going to get EM street cred if you don't take yourself too seriously? :) CW

[LUTE] Re: thumb on diapason?

2006-12-02 Thread chriswilke
Andreas and Mark, I was just thinking on this. Is there any music that is clearly written specifically for this type of 12 (not 11 or 13) course lute? Chris --- Andreas Schlegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all By the way, the whole problem of basses ringing too long was

[LUTE] Re: CD's at LSA

2006-11-28 Thread chriswilke
--- Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terzi duets by David van Ooijen (a great guy and frequent contributor to this list. Now, I can easily obtain this CD - I hear it is great!). I can attest to it! A fantastic CD. Great technical mastery and musicianship worth having in any

[LUTE] Re: Unmarried strung archlutes

2006-11-25 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do have pictures of single strung theorbos, but as you say they were probably played more often with double strings than we think. How do we know that those single strung instruments are not in fact archlutes? The size of the lute within the context of the

[LUTE] Re: Ronn McFarlane

2006-11-23 Thread chriswilke
Thomas, Ronn told me about two years ago that he was possibly going to publish those pieces with Mel Bay. They wanted guitar arrangements in tab included, though, and he wasn't sure whether this would even work. Does anyone know if this is still in the works? Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question

2006-11-15 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in Bb minor - five flats in the key signature and so the same as Db Major. Db minor would, of course, be the same as C minor, only a lot harder to read. OK, now I made a silly mistake... make that Db minor=C# minor. Chris

[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question

2006-11-14 Thread chriswilke
--- Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was easy to transcribe, both by hand and in print. It allowed the individual to transmit his own fingerings and provided a diagram that was easily absorbed by the brain at speed for those weak of harmonic education. I don't know which of these

[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question

2006-11-12 Thread chriswilke
--- Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming you've got the top six courses in tune (just like a guitar with the third string down a semitone - and capoed at the third fret) then tune the seventh course to the fourth course. And the eighth course to the fifth course at the second

[LUTE] ISO early guitar

2006-11-02 Thread chriswilke
Hello all, This is not, strictly speaking, a lute question, but I know a number of list members are into this, so I thought I'd toss it out to the general population. Ignore if you hate guitars. I'm toying around with the possibility of getting a 19th century guitar. I've researched a

[LUTE] Re: tactus (olim dalza)

2006-10-31 Thread chriswilke
Bernd, Yes, I think we're speaking of the same thing, just thinking about it differently. Basically, I mean that the duration of the measure remains the same, its just a matter of whether there are two beats or three beats within it. In modern terms, we could say that it is like the

[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A normal voyce ?

2006-10-28 Thread chriswilke
Gary, --- gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course we make distinctions. Which is what we do when we say we prefer one piece of music over another. This is the type of circular argument that gets kids Fs on their gradeschool book reports: I liked it because it was good. Preference

[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A normal voyce ?

2006-10-27 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was simply saying that Bach is not better music than Led Zeppelin, because it is more complex. In the end I would not say that any music style is better than another. Mark, But to not make distinctions - decisions about which of things has more merit - is

[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A normal voyce ?

2006-10-27 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ability to play fast or cleaner at at least possible somewhat to judge. Yes, so is faster or cleaner, better? According to you, no. I was not talking about musicians playing abilities. For instance ALK, told me that he rarely listen to classical CD's because

[LUTE] Re: Dalza for the technically challenged

2006-10-26 Thread chriswilke
--- Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very practical in Tanz/Hupfauff combinations, where a slower binary dance is followed by a quicker one in triple time. Bernd, I'm sure you know this, but just to clarify a little... Quicker, yes, but only in the rhythmic values

[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A normal voyce ?

2006-10-26 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, way of judging music by it's ethnic background and complexity is absurd. Let's follow your reasoning... Great! Then I'm just as good a player as Paul O'Dette! Who cares if he plays cleaner, has a finer touch, etc? I'm after different goals (largely I

[LUTE] Re: list of great performer

2006-10-19 Thread chriswilke
A couple more players: Paolo Cherici, Luciano Contini (accent on the first sylLAble). Chris --- Andreas Schlegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Thanks a lot for all names. Some points: - I like to take only the modern players (without our fathers Bream, Ragonssnig, Dombois,

[LUTE] Re:

2006-10-19 Thread chriswilke
Ron, You could consider a ten-course lute or an archlute. The ten-course would allow you to play the entire renaissance literature up to the very early baroque in Italy (i.e. Kapsperger) and some crazy tunings in France. The archlute could be theoretically used for the whole of the

[LUTE] Re: Too soft to live, was The last word goes to Sting

2006-10-12 Thread chriswilke
--- gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I resolved never to attend another lute concert sponsored by Sfems because the lute simply could not be heard from more the 6 or 7 rows back where all the lute players (who cannot afford season tickets) were forced to sit. I refuse to pay $40 for a

[LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting

2006-10-11 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My view is that the claims Sting makes for his CD are false and misleading especially to an audience new to this repertoire. Has anyone ever considered that for Sting to perform the music as many of us think he should - i.e. the same way we want to do it

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov and Sting

2006-10-10 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in the end the big Lute Boom will not come about through this CD, because in the end the lute doesn't sound anything like a lute on the CD. Most non-musicians can not distinguish, or even care to distinguish, the difference between the sound of a modern

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-10 Thread chriswilke
--- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for this initial question, we've now reached the point where the _tessiture_ are compared: e'-C (angelique) vs. d'-C (lesser, or French, theorbo). No, as I mentioned in my last message, the range of the open strings is _exactly_ the same. Not just

[LUTE] Re: Hip and Sting

2006-10-10 Thread chriswilke
--- Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of any words which rhyme with Karamazov. How 'bout get your rocks off?...knock your socks off? Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-09 Thread chriswilke
--- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean, where are they being kept? No. To think, however, that the angelique must have been developed, rather than invented, is an unnessecary premise, IMHO. It is extremely rare to find instruments that are simply invented, especially one

[LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting

2006-10-09 Thread chriswilke
Joe, As someone else pointed out, Nigel does both of the first two. I don't know about a true first course, but he did actually record with a NINE-course lute, as Dowland called for. I think it _may_ have had a double chanterelle. But he has no qualms using nylgut. Chris --- Joseph

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread chriswilke
--- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surviving angeliques are small (string lengths of 54 to 71 cm), single strung, swan-necked instruments. I'm interested in existing instruments, so much as the organology of this class. So where did the angelique come from? Is it not reasonable to

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread chriswilke
--- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swan-necks on angeliques predate the purported/alleged invention by some 50 years. RT The angelique is essentially a converted _theorbo_, not a lute. In this case, the theorboed extension was already there and the swan-necking was merely a

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread chriswilke
Lucas, What about the dm lute in ensemble music, period? We know that there is actually a significant amount of music for baroque lute with other instruments. Supposedly, Weiss worked to invent the swan neck lute especially so that it could be heard in instrumental groups. And, although we

[LUTE] Re: EMS lutes Good or Bad

2006-10-01 Thread chriswilke
Robin, I'd say go with an individual lute maker. The lute market isn't big enough to allow for enough quality control from factories/brands right now. One could buy a perfectly playable student classical guitar from, say, Yamaha for a quite reasonable price. If one is looking for a

[LUTE] Re: final comment

2006-09-26 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, if I am not mistaken, doesn't Praetoriuos also suggest a theorbo in G with no re-entrant tuning? Uh-huh. He also mentions stringing with wire and brass. (Nylgut having not been yet invented...) Chris

[LUTE] Re: Were theorbos used to accompany lute songs?

2006-09-25 Thread chriswilke
David, Could be... We have reports of both Palestrina and Gesualdo accompanying themselves singing with an instrument playing the other parts (Mass movements and madrigals, respectively). I would guess it would be fairly difficult and somewhat self-defeating to reproduce their brand of thick

[LUTE] Re: Hear Sting Dowland CD at amazon.de

2006-09-24 Thread chriswilke
Daniel, I don't know... It is interesting at least. The biggest annoyance for me were the problems with intonation. Sting's been belting out rockers in stadiums for years, presumably without much vocal coaching. As such, it doesn't seem that his voice has held up entirely - very

[LUTE] Re: Hear Sting Dowland CD at amazon.de

2006-09-24 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also playing Kohaut with the modern orchestra Orchestra della Svizzera Italiana is not exactly an impressive gig. It seems he has cornered all the jobs that authentic lutenists would probably turn down. Bravo !!! Mark I the summer where I live in

[LUTE] Re: Hear Sting Dowland CD at amazon.de

2006-09-24 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it is important that you wrote the music yourself, but a renaissance musician would only have played the music he believed in. Were did this idea ever come from? Renaissance musicians played whatever their patrons believed in. For instance, there

[LUTE] Re: Hear Sting Dowland CD at amazon.de

2006-09-24 Thread chriswilke
--- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accompanying Dowland is to move with the text. Forward, hold a litltle, emphasis here, crunching chords on crunching words, purely instrumental melodic interest in the middle voices to slow things down or speed things up, hanging dissonant bass

[LUTE] Sances - Usurpator tiranno

2006-09-24 Thread chriswilke
Dear Luters, Would anyone have a copy of the English translation to Giovanni Felice Sances' song Usurpator tiranno that they could send me? The translation is available in several CD booklets, but I don't have immediate access to them and I need it ASAP (my rough Italian abilities won't

[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???

2006-09-21 Thread chriswilke
--- Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course not, because they'll have looked at all the other photographs from our era and will know that we all spent our time standing still, looking straight ahead with forced smiles. No. People in the future will use musician promo photos to

[LUTE] Re: Galant Continuo

2006-09-14 Thread chriswilke
David, Oops - boy is my face red! In my rush to make a - what I thought would have been fairly clever in other circumstances - point, I didn't even really look at the name of the competition or where it was being held. I saw Anthony Rooley's name and assumed that he was there to add the

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread chriswilke
David, I have to disagree with the prevailing opinion somewhat: bigger is not always better. I speak from some experience, owning both a gigantic theorbo (99cm on the board(!), diapasons around 6 1/2 feet long) and a smaller one (76cm fingerboard/119 diapasons). Nowadays I use the small one

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread chriswilke
--- Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At some places, I've even learned to hold back when I use the small guy so that the sound doesn't get too annoying. Once I saw a Steinway baby grand that had a nicer bass than a larger Steinway a few feet away. Not louder, but clearer and

[LUTE] Re: Galant Continuo

2006-09-13 Thread chriswilke
Taco, My first response is usually an awkward silence. I'm not SURE if the person is joking and so I stand there with a dumb smile on my face for a moment. Then I think to myself Oh God, should I correct him/her? Is this person going to take it as an insult? Then I usually say something

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