Let's say:
Bass line and chords played by guitars or keyboards.
I hate to see Stage Pianos excluded from the continuo gig :)
On 12.09.19 23:28, Howard Posner wrote:
The rhythm guitar and bass
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On Sep 12, 2019, at 14:02, Leonard Williams
wrote:
If one is trying to e
The rhythm guitar and bass
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> On Sep 12, 2019, at 14:02, Leonard Williams
> wrote:
>
> If one is trying to explain the concept of continuo on theorbo to a
> non-early music person, would it be safe to compare it to the rhythm
> guitarist in a modern band?
> Leonard W
Dear Jorg,
I play continuo on theorbo and other plucked instruments and also
employ the mandora/gallichon in nominal D tuning with a string length
of 75cm (and also the large calchedon in nominal A tuning with sl 98cm)
where the instrument is appropriate - ie mostly second to last qu
I do on occasion. I have a huge 10-course in D 78cm or something
similar). Sometimes I chicken out and play transposed parts. If the
D-lute stint is a bit longer I bite the bullet and play at pitch. Not
so difficult (but I play easy continuo on it: early Italian music), no
complicate
n Behalf
> Of howard posner
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:17 AM
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners
>
> It’s always nice to have the score, or the melodic line, in the continuo
> part. I’ve done a lot of cutting and pasting to
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howard posner
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It’s always nice to have the score, or the melodic line, in the continuo part.
I’ve done a lot of cutting and pasting to avoid inconve
When accompanying a soloist, I prefer to see his/part. Otherwise bass
part is more convenient. But I can live with either score or part.
Recits are the exception: I want to read these along.
David
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 at 17:19, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
wrote:
It’s always nice to have the score, or the melodic line, in the continuo part.
I’ve done a lot of cutting and pasting to avoid inconvenient page turns.
> On Mar 15, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong
> wrote:
>
> Dear Lutenetters who play basso continuo,
> Is there a preference eith
Hello Edward,
There have been positive comments on this list about using a tablet and
foot-operated page turner.
I’m thinking adopting this solution when the next iPad Pro is released, which I
believe will be within a few weeks.
Miles
> On Mar 15, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:53:54 +0300, wikla wrote
> Dear (continuo-)lutenists,
>
> there are (at least) two examples of duets for two continuo
> instruments - only the numbered bass line written - but meant to be
> played as otherwise all improvised duet. The one I remembered and
> also found in
Well, not only in keyboard continuo there shouldn't be no limits; also
plucked continuo is free - the only "limit" is that when it is good
(subjective!) it serves the the soloist/ensemble/orchestra/... And also
"serving" is subjective. Of course usually mastering the style and
conventions of the p
On a broader front - it troubles me that so many people - not just
musicians - seem unable to make a clear distinction between fact and
fiction. Both intellectually and morally I see this as a problem! --
Monica
As a victim of unfortunate news concerning a concert mate [Three
fingers
I think there may be a little confusion amongst the few recordings
referenced here. Compared to "Echo de Paris" or Ensemble Kapsberger, The
Foscarini Experience is downright tame in their interpretive approach to
Foscarini. Where they've wandered is asserting a particular painting is
known to po
I think there may be a little confusion amongst the few recordings
referenced here. Compared to "Echo de Paris" or Ensemble Kapsberger, The
Foscarini Experience is downright tame in their interpretive approach to
Foscarini. Where they've wandered is asserting a particular painting is
known to por
There seems to be no "generally acceptable limits for keyboard continuo
practice" included in the curriculum of the Bologna conservatory, as
evidenced by its graduates.
RT
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To: "Christopher Wilke" ; "Roman Turovsky"
Cc: "Lutelist"
Sent: F
Well by generally accepted I mean by the generality (ie for the most
part) of keyboard players not necessarily all of them - and to be fair
I did put in the rider that all was not perfect even in the harpsichord
continuo world...
MH
--- On Fri, 1/4/11, Roman Turovsky wr
If you ever see, say, Guido Morini doing live continuo you'd realize that
there are no generally acceptable limits for
keyboard continuo practice.
RT
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From: "Martyn Hodgson"
To: "Christopher Wilke"
Cc: "Lutelist"
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: [LUT
I guess everybody knows that, when Vivaldi was asked to add continuo
figures to his work, he accepted, but added the comment "per li
coglioni", which is definitely not a nice way to define "not
experienced continuo players" ;-)
David Tayler on 05/09/10 21.11 wrote:
I have pondered t
The Novello is the Dart Edition, I belive, which is not too bad, but
has way too many page turns! There is, to my knowledge, no suitable
modern edition, but the Bartlett has at least most of the original marks.
And way less page turns.
I did find the missing chacony, which is a very funny story.
publishing-company/
Best to all,
jeff
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To: "List LUTELIST"
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Continuo
I'm using an edition by Novello.
It might also give you a version that differ
I'm using an edition by Novello.
It might also give you a version that differs from the one that you
will be performing. There are a some editorial choices/additions
that are made in Dido;
I didn't know there were numbers with guitars, nice to know. My
decision to use
Ah! That's what I thought...
Thanks.
2009/10/26 David Tayler <[1]vidan...@sbcglobal.net>
Get the Bartlett Edition..
Although it must be said that continuo is a cut and paste
profession.
dt
At 09:02 PM 10/25/2009, you wrote:
>A quesion for continuo exp
Get the Bartlett Edition..
Although it must be said that continuo is a cut and paste profession.
dt
At 09:02 PM 10/25/2009, you wrote:
>A quesion for continuo experts: I am about to play continuo (5 course
>guitar) on Dido and Aeneas (Purcell). Unfortunately I received a full
>score o
Dear Bruno
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Bruno Correia wrote:
> guitar) on Dido and Aeneas (Purcell). Unfortunately I received a full
> score of the opera, which is very hard to acompany in this format. Is
> there a version for bass and the top line?
There's a King's Music bc part, it's
On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Bruno Correia wrote:
> Unfortunately I received a full
>score of the opera, which is very hard to acompany in this
> format. Is
>there a version for bass and the top line? That would save paper
> and
>make everything much easier (no page turns...).
It mig
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Perhaps that is a better term, but some basso sequente parts do not
double the treble.
In addition, colla parte is a style of continuo playing, whereas some
seguente parts can also be simply composite bass parts. The famous
resolution of Palestrina's works by organ would fall more in
There are many examples of figures which do not
double any of the voices. This means that they
were either played or ignored, by they are not "kibitzing" figures.
These additional figures also fall into several
categories. Some of these imply, by there shape
and structure, additional melodic li
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From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:10 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Continuo Question
We know that continuo players often played with the treble players
before the bass entrance because of the man
> "David van Ooijen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit
> The figures in these openings tend to be very precicely decribing
what
> the voices above are doing. So it's not continuo as in 'play what you
> like within these figures', but a shorthand for the voice leading of
> the upper voice
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:30 AM, "Mathias Rösel"
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> "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> We know that continuo players often played with the treble players
>> before the bass entrance because of the many examples of figures in
>> the colla parte parts.
>
> How w
"David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> We know that continuo players often played with the treble players
> before the bass entrance because of the many examples of figures in
> the colla parte parts.
How will you know what they actually did? That aside, colla parte means
colla parte, i.
We know that continuo players often played with the treble players
before the bass entrance because of the many examples of figures in
the colla parte parts. The figures show many things, but the two that
jump out are first that
these parts are not cues because they have figures, but also that t
David, Matthias, Roman, thanks for your input on my continuo question.
Best,
Davidr
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There is no easy answer. You can play colla parte, or course, the
ultimate challenge for any lute music, or double the lower voices, or
you can just figure it. If it is a later Baroque piece, there will
many interlocking 7ths and 9ths, and in these cases I often will play
the sevenths so that t
"David Rastall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> What's up guys,
>
> Continuo question: how do you play basso continuo in a fugue, where
> the voices are played one-on-a-part? My problem is I don't know what
> to do with the places in the music where the bass is not playing.
> Any suggestions?
No
It already is - teh text comes with english translation.
Thomas
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From: "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "rodrigo demetrio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Thursday, Apr
"Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Is there any possibility that this will be translated into English?
>
> Rob
Rainer Luckhardt of Seicento music and I took care that this was done
with the 1st edition. The English translation comes as an extra
booklet.
Mathias
> > Please excuse t
Is there any possibility that this will be translated into English?
Rob
On 17/04/2008, "Mathias R=F6sel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Please excuse tze shameless ad: Order Fundamenta der Lauten-Musique from
> Deutsche Lautengesellschaft. It's a tutor for continuo with 11c lute in
> D minor
"rodrigo demetrio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Dear lute players,
> I am new in this forum.
> I would like to have information about lute continuo playing in Germany at
> the end of XVII century. Many sources of solo lute music are in d tuning but
> I don't find continuo sources which speak abou
more than I (a lot of what little I know I've picked up from the
singers).
Guy
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Continuo is the king/queen!
"Singers are th
"Singers are the best, because normally they don't know anything of
the rhythm and pulse; you normally will be the boss with the
singers..."
My experience has been that when playing with someone who has the
lead role and has to breathe, you are most definitely NOT the boss-
merely an at-will e
> it seems that the more I learn, the less I know!
By the way, just that seems to be the proper (and VERY classical) way of
learning! (Compare for ex. what Blaise Pascal wrote about knowledge.)
Arto
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On 12/18/2007, "David Rastall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been trying to teach myself continuo for most of this year, and
> I'm having a terrible time with it: it seems that the more I learn,
> the less I know!
Don't worry! Just play 3rds when you don't know what to do. And take
care to
On Dec 18, 2007, at 3:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ...Start playing
> continuo! It is hard, really hard, in the beginning, but it is
> worth of
> all the troubles!
I'll take your word for it that it's worth it in the end, Arto. ;-)
I've been trying to teach myself continuo for most of th
Sounds fine to me.
Regarding timing, lute and harpsichord players often adjust the immediacy of
their plucking action by delaying the beat slightly. I've had to do this
deliberately on many occasions. For instance, with strings - they start
bowing, THEN the note appears. When we pluck, it jumps o
On the issue of parallels in continuo playing, I think it is a good
thing that there is a lot of diversity in continuo realization, and a
lot of choices.
As far as practical matters, because at a certain point one has to
play the stuff, the big issue for me is timing--in a mixed continuo
group
But be forwarned: the theorbo examples are transcirbed without taking a
proper re-entrant tuning into consideration ...
David
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From: "ariel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:13 PM
Gracias Alfonso,
I'm afraid you've got me wrong here.
I'm not interested in learning positions only, as I haven't done that either
playing XVI th century music.
I was wondering if some fellow player has done a systematic work writing
down things in a practical way.
As you may know, jazz players
Dear Ariel,
I think that you starting up from a wrong concept. Playing continuo
is not about learning positions for chords but reading a bass and
adding the right harmonies to it as a result of counterpoint and
correct voice leading. If you think in "chords positions" like jazz
players do,
Hi Ariel, and welcome to the 17th century...
Nigel North's book on continuo instruments is worth tracking down. There are
second-hand copies available from here:
http://www.amazon.com/Continuo-Playing-Archlute-Theorbo-Music/dp/0253314151/
ref=sr_1_1/002-5357019-7358431?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=11854857
I hope you don't mind if I say a few words.
I have a baroque lute (d minor tuining 13 course) and from the first day I
had it I began to learn the notes in all the positions on the fretboard I did
the same thing on the renaissance lute and also on one vihuela in a (now I have
a vihuela in G) a
Howard and Mathias: many thanks for your input on my continuo
question(s). Much appreciated.
David R
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> Minor seventh chords? I thought they would have been rarely used
> back then.
One way, that is true, certainly: chords weren't used at all. A minor
seventh more often than else resolves into a major sixth.
> I have one more question: where do I have to go to find editions of
> sonatas, a
On Monday, Oct 30, 2006, at 11:07 America/Los_Angeles, Mathias Rösel
wrote:
>
>> fewer figures don't mean you must omit the sevenths and
>> ninths
>
> Depends on the date of the music, I'd say. I for one can't imagine
> chords like (or progressions of, for that matter) 7/9-dominants or
> 5/6-sub
On Monday, Oct 30, 2006, at 06:43 America/Los_Angeles, David Rastall
wrote:
> Minor seventh chords?- I thought they would have been rarely used back
> then.- I was assuming that a chord with a seventh added should take a
> major third.
A dominant seventh is, strictly speaking, a seventh chord
On Oct 29, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
>> Under the bass notes are lots of indications for
>> dominant 7th and 9th chords
>
> probably not all dominants, to be nitpicky...
Minor seventh chords? I thought they would have been rarely used
back then. I was assuming that a chord with a
> > if the 7th or 9th is being
> > supplied in the upper parts, isn't that the place where I should
> > *not* be playing it?
I for one leave them out in that case. My rule is: Play it the easiest
possible way. If the upper voice has it, why should I double it?
> Surely the mere presence of
> a n
David Rastall wrote:
> My attempts to teach myself continuo continue...
>
> I'm looking at a sonata by Corelli: two instrumental parts plus
> basso continuo. Under the bass notes are lots of indications for
> dominant 7th and 9th chords
probably not all dominants, to be nitpicky...
> , at plac
The figures are not editorial. If you look at the facsimiles of Corelli's
published opuses (opera?) you'll see that they're all heavily figured.
You are not generally required to play ALL the figures, they're just to let
you what's happening above. Of course it usually sounds great in Corelli to
g
"Charles Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Tree Editions have just published "Technique-building studies for baroque
> lutenists" by Wlfred Foxe that contains both scales and cadences in common
> keys
> together with other exercises. It may be worth looking at Giesbert as well.
yes, Giesbert
For some of the early continuo treatises (*not* lute specific) with
parallel translations into several modern European languages, see here:
http://www.bassus-generalis.org/
Daniel Heiman
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:01:41 +0200 LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> > but an excellent book on the su
> but an excellent book on the subject is "Continuo Playing According to
> Handel."
> This is available in the Oxford Early Music Series with a running
> commentary
> by David Ledbetter. A chance to learn continuo playing from a master.
Or see Bach's 'General bass regeln'. facsimile and English
You may also try ABE Books, an excellent source of new and (more
often) used books. They are at abebooks.com. You can search by title,
author, keyword.
Leonard Williams
On 10/10/05 3:59 AM, "Benjamin Stehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
>> I see North's book is out of
Hi Dennis,
>I see North's book is out of print. Any advice on where it can be
>found?
You can also order it directly from Indiana University Press as "print on
demand":
http://www.indiana.edu/~iupress/books/0-253-31415-1.shtml
Or, if a few weeks are enough for you to work through the book just
Doug lives in the Boston area. I heard a rumor he will be teaching at the
LSA Lute Fest next Summer in Cleveland.
Nancy Carlin
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >Are there any tutors for learning continuo on the theorbo?
>
>Hi Dennis,
>
>Nigel's books has already been mentioned as a definitive source for study.
Dennis wrote:
>I see North's book is out of print. Any advice on where it can be found?
You can find it used from Amazon.co.uk
Regards,
Craig
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Nigel North's book is great. I haven't heard about a new edition, though.
Those old French treatises are generally not so helpful (Fleury, Delair
etc.) Bartelomi is pretty good though. I think it was 1669. I'm not sure
if there's a facsimile available.
In addition to those realizations by Cas
I had heard that there were plans for a second edition. Anyone know about it?
There certainly would be planty demand.
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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: continuo
I just
I just checked Amazon.com, and there are a couple of copies available (from
private dealers).
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Subject: [LUTE]
Thanks to all of you for the fine suggestions. I should have added that
I've been playing continuo on keyboard instruments for years and years, so
what I'm interested in is the specific theorbo-style continuo. I'm in
France (near Fontainebleau).
I see North's book is out of print. Any advice on
Doug Freundlich lives in the Boston area. He teaches at the Longy School of
Music inCambrudge, near Harvard Square.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: continuo
Dennis wrote
Dennis wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Are there any tutors for learning continuo on the theorbo?
Hi Dennis,
Nigel's books has already been mentioned as a definitive source for study.
But if you're looking for a teacher I can recommend Doug Freundlich.
Trouble is I don't know where either you or he lives
Hi
One thing I did years ago, prior to North's book and
other continuo tutors being published was to take
madrigal collections with keyboard reductions and read
the bottom 3 or 4 parts or just read them from a
choral score, then go back and take just the bass
line and do an on site realization(pr
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On Saturday 08 October 2005 12:39, you wrote:As said before in the 'new
boy's' thread the book by Nigel North is the best starting book. It gives
excellent information with s
On Saturday 08 October 2005 12:39, you wrote:
As said before in the 'new boy's' thread the book by Nigel North is the best
starting book. It gives excellent information with some worked out examples
in tablature. In my opinion the theoretical chapter on music theory is a bit
short, when startin
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