Re: typos in koma-letter2.lyx template preamble can cause errors

[Richard Talley]

​Richard Heck informs me this has been corrected. Way cool.
​

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've been working on learning more about KOMAScript classes and found a
> problem with the preamble that comes with the LyX koma-letter2 template
> (and has for some time).
>
> The preamble has a number of options in the \KOMAoptions section,
> including these lines:
>
> %pagenumber=botcenter%   position of the page number (see docu)
> %,parskip=false%  Use indent instead of skip (more options cf.
> docu)
> fromalign=center%alignment of the address
>
>
> The problem is that the first and third lines of this excerpt from the
> preamble lack leading commas (the KOMAoptions are comma delimited).
>
> If you uncomment the parskip option by removing the leading % then it gets
> parsed together with the fromalign option (because fromalign lacks a
> leading comma) and generates an 'undefined control sequence' error.
>
> Another confusion is that 'parskip=false' is the default for this document
> class. If you want a block style letter with no indents and a space between
> paragraphs you need to change this option to 'parskip=true'.
>
> -- Rich
>
>

typos in koma-letter2.lyx template preamble can cause errors

[Richard Talley]

I've been working on learning more about KOMAScript classes and found a
problem with the preamble that comes with the LyX koma-letter2 template
(and has for some time).

The preamble has a number of options in the \KOMAoptions section, including
these lines:

%pagenumber=botcenter%   position of the page number (see docu)
%,parskip=false%  Use indent instead of skip (more options cf. docu)
fromalign=center%alignment of the address


The problem is that the first and third lines of this excerpt from the
preamble lack leading commas (the KOMAoptions are comma delimited).

If you uncomment the parskip option by removing the leading % then it gets
parsed together with the fromalign option (because fromalign lacks a
leading comma) and generates an 'undefined control sequence' error.

Another confusion is that 'parskip=false' is the default for this document
class. If you want a block style letter with no indents and a space between
paragraphs you need to change this option to 'parskip=true'.

-- Rich

Re: Are there problems with lyx-ftp-server?

[Richard Talley]

That was interesting.

Evidently Firefox had decided for me that it would take over handling the
FTP protocol. When I pasted
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0beta2 into Safari, it
opened Firefox. I hadn't noticed before because I usually use a standalone
FTP client.

I used the RCDefaultApp preference pane (
http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/) to give FTP handling back
to Finder. Safari then turned the FTP handling over to Finder and I was
then able to connect as a guest and drag and drop the Mac dmg into my
Downloads folder. A little slow, over 10 minutes to download, but it worked.

Safari 6.1.1 on OS X 10.8.5.

-- Rich



On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Uwe Ade uwe@gmx.de wrote:
  Hello,
 
  me again. Sorry for the disagreeability. I have the problem with safari
 und
  Pathfinder on my mac. The Download doesn’t work. As I read the tip from
  Anders  i installed Firefox and the download and the installation of lyx
  works fine.
 
  In Future i will try to give more and clear descriptions.
 
  Thanks for the help an this Mailinglist. For me it´s great!!

 Thanks for following up and thanks to Anders for the solultion.

 Glad you got it working!

 It would be nice if another Mac user could test using Safari.

 Scott

Re: Are there problems with lyx-ftp-server?

[Richard Talley]

That was interesting.

Evidently Firefox had decided for me that it would take over handling the
FTP protocol. When I pasted
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0beta2 into Safari, it
opened Firefox. I hadn't noticed before because I usually use a standalone
FTP client.

I used the RCDefaultApp preference pane (
http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/) to give FTP handling back
to Finder. Safari then turned the FTP handling over to Finder and I was
then able to connect as a guest and drag and drop the Mac dmg into my
Downloads folder. A little slow, over 10 minutes to download, but it worked.

Safari 6.1.1 on OS X 10.8.5.

-- Rich



On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Uwe Ade uwe@gmx.de wrote:
  Hello,
 
  me again. Sorry for the disagreeability. I have the problem with safari
 und
  Pathfinder on my mac. The Download doesn’t work. As I read the tip from
  Anders  i installed Firefox and the download and the installation of lyx
  works fine.
 
  In Future i will try to give more and clear descriptions.
 
  Thanks for the help an this Mailinglist. For me it´s great!!

 Thanks for following up and thanks to Anders for the solultion.

 Glad you got it working!

 It would be nice if another Mac user could test using Safari.

 Scott

Re: Are there problems with lyx-ftp-server?

[Richard Talley]

That was interesting.

Evidently Firefox had decided for me that it would take over handling the
FTP protocol. When I pasted
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0beta2 into Safari, it
opened Firefox. I hadn't noticed before because I usually use a standalone
FTP client.

I used the RCDefaultApp preference pane (
http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/) to give FTP handling back
to Finder. Safari then turned the FTP handling over to Finder and I was
then able to connect as a guest and drag and drop the Mac dmg into my
Downloads folder. A little slow, over 10 minutes to download, but it worked.

Safari 6.1.1 on OS X 10.8.5.

-- Rich



On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Uwe Ade  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > me again. Sorry for the disagreeability. I have the problem with safari
> und
> > Pathfinder on my mac. The Download doesn’t work. As I read the tip from
> > Anders  i installed Firefox and the download and the installation of lyx
> > works fine.
> >
> > In Future i will try to give more and clear descriptions.
> >
> > Thanks for the help an this Mailinglist. For me it´s great!!
>
> Thanks for following up and thanks to Anders for the solultion.
>
> Glad you got it working!
>
> It would be nice if another Mac user could test using Safari.
>
> Scott
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

Hi Justin,

It's a very bad practice to put working documents anywhere in your
Applications folder (among other things the permissions won't be correct).
The Applications folder belongs to the system and should be reserved for
applications. Put your own documents somewhere in your home directory.

You might drop the xetexCV-LyX folder containing the four files for the
Tolkien CV example into your Documents folder. Then the path for the image
on your machine would be:

/Users/justinJustin/Documents/xetexCV-LyX/JRR-Tolkien.jpg

(Please note that the LaTeX Preamble for the example LyX file has an
explicit comment: The Image Path Cannot Include Spaces. The path you were
trying to use included spaces.)

I also got the 'unknown token' error when I first started playing with this
example file. It went away once I set the document to use fonts actually
installed on my system.

Your installation is defaulting to using a DVI output, which you probably
don't want or need to mess with. If you look under the View menu in LyX
with the example file loaded, the default (which is bound to Command-R and
to the 'eyes' icon on the toolbar) is set to DVI something (probably
LuaTeX). Set the document to explicitly use PDF (XeTeX) in Document -
Settings - Output - Default Output Format. Once you have taken care of
the other problems and can successfully typeset the example file, the pdf
should automatically open in whatever you have set as a default pdf viewer
(probably Preview).

The font errors you're getting mean that the fonts you installed don't have
the correct sizing information for the way they're being used in this
document. Two things to try:

1. Try specifying other fonts already installed on your system. Note that
working through XeTeX, LyX has no way to determine which fonts are Serif
(Roman) and which are Sans Serif so it just lists them all. Use FontBook to
examine the fonts you have installed.

2. I bet you installed Type1 Fontin fonts because that's what the font
designer advised on his downloads page. Ignore that advice. Using FontBook
remove the Type1 fonts then download and install the OpenType ones instead.

And yes, use the Fontin Regular for Roman and Fontin Sans Regular for Sans.
That's what the xetexCV class was designed around and gives a very nice
result.

-- Rich

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:13 AM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:
  The xetexCV.cls class file should go
 in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
 folders as necessary).
  Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
  Then reconfigure LyX.

 Hi Richard, [N.B. I got a message saying I have
 lines longer than 80
 characters and to fix it.
 So I am going to hit return here and there, hope
 it does not confuse you if some of the computer
  stuff I copied and pasted
 gets broken up a bit in the process!]
 I did what you said above now. But still
  not working. Here is what I did:

  Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working
 folder as your LyX file.

 Did that too.


  The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro,
 which is a licensed font
 you have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular.
  You also need Fontin
 Sans. Both are available for free here:

 I installed those 2 fonts also with Font Book.

 
  http://www.exljbris.com
 
  Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation.
 In LyX, with the example LyX file open, use
  Document - Settings - Fonts.
  Check the choice to use non-Tex fonts, then
  change the Roman font from
  Minion Pro to Fontin
  Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

 After installing those fonts, I have one option
  for Fontin Regular,
 but I have 10 different 'Fontin Sans' choices.
  One of these is called
  'Fontin Sans Regular' - should I choose this
  one? (For now, I have done so).


 
 
  I also had to go into Documents - Settings - LaTeX Preamble
  and edit the
 path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to
 the correct one for my installation rather than
 the author's.


 I tried doing that. The method I used to get
  the address was clicking 'get
 info' on the jpg file,
 and then where it says 'where', I copied the address.
 It looks like this:
 /Applications/Lyx stuff/For making CV/xetexCV-LyX

 So I pasted exactly that to replace the original
  address, so it now looks
 like this:

 \cvimage{/Applications/Lyx stuff/For making
  CV/xetexCV-LyX/JRR-Tolkien.jpg}

 Was that right?
 One thing I still get when I open the example lyx file is 2

 Unknown token: \html_footnotes_as_endnotes \html_footnotes_as_endnotes



  Typeset with View - PDF [XeTeX}

 When I do that, I get 11 error messages.
  They are all to do with fonts. 4
 says font-not-found and the others says
  something about mapping.

 The first 4 of the former all are identical:
   ...Bold}, ItalicFont={Fontin
 Italic}]{Fontin}
 The 2 other of the former say:
   \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Fontin Regular}

 The latter say: ...Bold}, ItalicFont={Fontin Italic}]{Fontin}

 I wasn't able to read

can't get LyX to open pdfs in Skim

[Richard Talley]

When I was running LyX 1.6.x, I had no problems getting LyX and Skim to
sync, but I can't get it working with LyX 2.0.6.

No matter what I do, generated pdfs continue to open in Preview rather than
Skim.

LyX has the correct (according to the wiki) command built-in - open LyX
Preferences - Output and in PDF command put
/Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/displayline $$n $$o $$t.

And in Document - Settings enable Synchronize with Output (I've saved that
as default for all my documents).

I'm generating pdfs with PDF (XeTeX) for the most of my test documents, as
that is what I usually use, but I also tried a document with PDF
(pdflatex).

I'm running LyX 2.0.6, Skim 1.4.7 and MacTeX 2013 (which I updated about a
week ago) on OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion). Skim.app is in /Applications.

I've also made the appropriate settings in Skim, but I need to get LyX -
Skim sync going before I worry about the reverse.

I've looked in the LyX bug trac, this mailing list and also the macosx-tex
(TeX on Mac OS X) mailing list. I seem to be doing things correctly.

I know I could force the pdfs to open in Skim by setting all pdfs to open
in Skim, but I neither want nor should have to do that.

Any suggestions for troubleshooting this?

-- Rich

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

Hi Justin,

It's a very bad practice to put working documents anywhere in your
Applications folder (among other things the permissions won't be correct).
The Applications folder belongs to the system and should be reserved for
applications. Put your own documents somewhere in your home directory.

You might drop the xetexCV-LyX folder containing the four files for the
Tolkien CV example into your Documents folder. Then the path for the image
on your machine would be:

/Users/justinJustin/Documents/xetexCV-LyX/JRR-Tolkien.jpg

(Please note that the LaTeX Preamble for the example LyX file has an
explicit comment: The Image Path Cannot Include Spaces. The path you were
trying to use included spaces.)

I also got the 'unknown token' error when I first started playing with this
example file. It went away once I set the document to use fonts actually
installed on my system.

Your installation is defaulting to using a DVI output, which you probably
don't want or need to mess with. If you look under the View menu in LyX
with the example file loaded, the default (which is bound to Command-R and
to the 'eyes' icon on the toolbar) is set to DVI something (probably
LuaTeX). Set the document to explicitly use PDF (XeTeX) in Document -
Settings - Output - Default Output Format. Once you have taken care of
the other problems and can successfully typeset the example file, the pdf
should automatically open in whatever you have set as a default pdf viewer
(probably Preview).

The font errors you're getting mean that the fonts you installed don't have
the correct sizing information for the way they're being used in this
document. Two things to try:

1. Try specifying other fonts already installed on your system. Note that
working through XeTeX, LyX has no way to determine which fonts are Serif
(Roman) and which are Sans Serif so it just lists them all. Use FontBook to
examine the fonts you have installed.

2. I bet you installed Type1 Fontin fonts because that's what the font
designer advised on his downloads page. Ignore that advice. Using FontBook
remove the Type1 fonts then download and install the OpenType ones instead.

And yes, use the Fontin Regular for Roman and Fontin Sans Regular for Sans.
That's what the xetexCV class was designed around and gives a very nice
result.

-- Rich

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:13 AM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:
  The xetexCV.cls class file should go
 in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
 folders as necessary).
  Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
  Then reconfigure LyX.

 Hi Richard, [N.B. I got a message saying I have
 lines longer than 80
 characters and to fix it.
 So I am going to hit return here and there, hope
 it does not confuse you if some of the computer
  stuff I copied and pasted
 gets broken up a bit in the process!]
 I did what you said above now. But still
  not working. Here is what I did:

  Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working
 folder as your LyX file.

 Did that too.


  The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro,
 which is a licensed font
 you have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular.
  You also need Fontin
 Sans. Both are available for free here:

 I installed those 2 fonts also with Font Book.

 
  http://www.exljbris.com
 
  Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation.
 In LyX, with the example LyX file open, use
  Document - Settings - Fonts.
  Check the choice to use non-Tex fonts, then
  change the Roman font from
  Minion Pro to Fontin
  Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

 After installing those fonts, I have one option
  for Fontin Regular,
 but I have 10 different 'Fontin Sans' choices.
  One of these is called
  'Fontin Sans Regular' - should I choose this
  one? (For now, I have done so).


 
 
  I also had to go into Documents - Settings - LaTeX Preamble
  and edit the
 path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to
 the correct one for my installation rather than
 the author's.


 I tried doing that. The method I used to get
  the address was clicking 'get
 info' on the jpg file,
 and then where it says 'where', I copied the address.
 It looks like this:
 /Applications/Lyx stuff/For making CV/xetexCV-LyX

 So I pasted exactly that to replace the original
  address, so it now looks
 like this:

 \cvimage{/Applications/Lyx stuff/For making
  CV/xetexCV-LyX/JRR-Tolkien.jpg}

 Was that right?
 One thing I still get when I open the example lyx file is 2

 Unknown token: \html_footnotes_as_endnotes \html_footnotes_as_endnotes



  Typeset with View - PDF [XeTeX}

 When I do that, I get 11 error messages.
  They are all to do with fonts. 4
 says font-not-found and the others says
  something about mapping.

 The first 4 of the former all are identical:
   ...Bold}, ItalicFont={Fontin
 Italic}]{Fontin}
 The 2 other of the former say:
   \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Fontin Regular}

 The latter say: ...Bold}, ItalicFont={Fontin Italic}]{Fontin}

 I wasn't able to read

can't get LyX to open pdfs in Skim

[Richard Talley]

When I was running LyX 1.6.x, I had no problems getting LyX and Skim to
sync, but I can't get it working with LyX 2.0.6.

No matter what I do, generated pdfs continue to open in Preview rather than
Skim.

LyX has the correct (according to the wiki) command built-in - open LyX
Preferences - Output and in PDF command put
/Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/displayline $$n $$o $$t.

And in Document - Settings enable Synchronize with Output (I've saved that
as default for all my documents).

I'm generating pdfs with PDF (XeTeX) for the most of my test documents, as
that is what I usually use, but I also tried a document with PDF
(pdflatex).

I'm running LyX 2.0.6, Skim 1.4.7 and MacTeX 2013 (which I updated about a
week ago) on OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion). Skim.app is in /Applications.

I've also made the appropriate settings in Skim, but I need to get LyX -
Skim sync going before I worry about the reverse.

I've looked in the LyX bug trac, this mailing list and also the macosx-tex
(TeX on Mac OS X) mailing list. I seem to be doing things correctly.

I know I could force the pdfs to open in Skim by setting all pdfs to open
in Skim, but I neither want nor should have to do that.

Any suggestions for troubleshooting this?

-- Rich

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

Hi Justin,

It's a very bad practice to put working documents anywhere in your
Applications folder (among other things the permissions won't be correct).
The Applications folder belongs to the system and should be reserved for
applications. Put your own documents somewhere in your home directory.

You might drop the xetexCV-LyX folder containing the four files for the
Tolkien CV example into your Documents folder. Then the path for the image
on your machine would be:

/Users/justinJustin/Documents/xetexCV-LyX/JRR-Tolkien.jpg

(Please note that the LaTeX Preamble for the example LyX file has an
explicit comment: "The Image Path Cannot Include Spaces". The path you were
trying to use included spaces.)

I also got the 'unknown token' error when I first started playing with this
example file. It went away once I set the document to use fonts actually
installed on my system.

Your installation is defaulting to using a DVI output, which you probably
don't want or need to mess with. If you look under the View menu in LyX
with the example file loaded, the default (which is bound to Command-R and
to the 'eyes' icon on the toolbar) is set to DVI something (probably
LuaTeX). Set the document to explicitly use PDF (XeTeX) in Document ->
Settings -> Output -> Default Output Format. Once you have taken care of
the other problems and can successfully typeset the example file, the pdf
should automatically open in whatever you have set as a default pdf viewer
(probably Preview).

The font errors you're getting mean that the fonts you installed don't have
the correct sizing information for the way they're being used in this
document. Two things to try:

1. Try specifying other fonts already installed on your system. Note that
working through XeTeX, LyX has no way to determine which fonts are Serif
(Roman) and which are Sans Serif so it just lists them all. Use FontBook to
examine the fonts you have installed.

2. I bet you installed Type1 Fontin fonts because that's what the font
designer advised on his downloads page. Ignore that advice. Using FontBook
remove the Type1 fonts then download and install the OpenType ones instead.

And yes, use the Fontin Regular for Roman and Fontin Sans Regular for Sans.
That's what the xetexCV class was designed around and gives a very nice
result.

-- Rich

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:13 AM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
> > The xetexCV.cls class file should go
> >in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
> folders as necessary).
> > Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
> > Then reconfigure LyX.
>
> Hi Richard, [N.B. I got a message saying I have
> "lines longer than 80
> characters" and to fix it.
> So I am going to hit return here and there, hope
> it does not confuse you if some of the computer
>  stuff I copied and pasted
> gets broken up a bit in the process!]
> I did what you said above now. But still
>  not working. Here is what I did:
>
> > Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working
> folder as your LyX file.
>
> Did that too.
>
>
> > The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro,
> >which is a licensed font
> you have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular.
> > You also need Fontin
> Sans. Both are available for free here:
>
> I installed those 2 fonts also with Font Book.
>
> >
> > http://www.exljbris.com
> >
> > Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation.
> >In LyX, with the example LyX file open, use
>  Document -> Settings -> Fonts.
>  Check the choice to use non-Tex fonts, then
>  change the Roman font from
> > Minion Pro to Fontin
> > Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.
>
> After installing those fonts, I have one option
>  for Fontin Regular,
> but I have 10 different 'Fontin Sans' choices.
>  One of these is called
>  'Fontin Sans Regular' - should I choose this
>  one? (For now, I have done so).
>
>
> >
> >
> > I also had to go into Documents -> Settings -> LaTeX Preamble
> > and edit the
> path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to
> >the correct one for my installation rather than
> the author's.
>
>
> I tried doing that. The method I used to get
>  the address was clicking 'get
> info' on the jpg file,
> and then where it says 'where', I copied the address.
> It looks like this:
> /Applications/Lyx stuff/For making CV/xetexCV-LyX
>
> So I pasted exactly that to replace the original
>  address, so it now looks
> like this:
>
> \cvimage{/Applications/Lyx stuff/For making
>  CV/xetexCV-LyX/JRR-Tolkien.jpg}
>
> Was that right?
> One thing I still get when I open the example lyx file is 2
>
> Unknown token: \html_footnotes_as_endnotes \html_footnotes_as_endnotes
>
>
>

can't get LyX to open pdfs in Skim

[Richard Talley]

When I was running LyX 1.6.x, I had no problems getting LyX and Skim to
sync, but I can't get it working with LyX 2.0.6.

No matter what I do, generated pdfs continue to open in Preview rather than
Skim.

LyX has the correct (according to the wiki) command built-in - open LyX
Preferences -> Output and in PDF command put
/Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/displayline $$n $$o $$t.

And in Document -> Settings enable Synchronize with Output (I've saved that
as default for all my documents).

I'm generating pdfs with PDF (XeTeX) for the most of my test documents, as
that is what I usually use, but I also tried a document with PDF
(pdflatex).

I'm running LyX 2.0.6, Skim 1.4.7 and MacTeX 2013 (which I updated about a
week ago) on OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion). Skim.app is in /Applications.

I've also made the appropriate settings in Skim, but I need to get LyX ->
Skim sync going before I worry about the reverse.

I've looked in the LyX bug trac, this mailing list and also the macosx-tex
(TeX on Mac OS X) mailing list. I seem to be doing things correctly.

I know I could force the pdfs to open in Skim by setting all pdfs to open
in Skim, but I neither want nor should have to do that.

Any suggestions for troubleshooting this?

-- Rich

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

More on the xetexCV layout.

You don't actually have to specify Fontin Regular and Fontin Sans in
Document - Settings - Fonts as the xetexCV class specifies those fonts as
the defaults already. If you don't have the Fontin fonts installed and
don't specify others, then you'll get errors about missing fonts. You can
always specify anything that's on your Mac, as this is xetex. Hoefler Text
for Roman and Helvetica for Sans gives a nice result.

The layout is nice but fairly limited. If your needs are very similar to
the author's, such as in the example LyX file he provides, then it's very
easy to use.

The custom 'years' inset in the layout works well for just years, as in the
example. If you add months so the text goes over one line, the formatting
is not good. I worked around that by making the text smaller so it fits on
one line.

The layout as provided doesn't provide for itemized lists, so I added that.
But they don't format properly with the rest of the entries. I worked
around that temporarily by putting the list in the CV I'm working on into a
minipage box and adjusting the scaling.

Too much finger painting, but the CV looks very nice. I think I'll rewrite
the layout so it's more robust and flexible; a good excuse for learning
about LyX layouts in detail.

-- Rich



On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:

 If working with the terminal and configuration variables put you out of
 your depth, then TeX and LyX may not be appropriate tools until you're more
 familiar with OS X.

 In any case, I should follow my own advice and read the documentation
 (it's been a while since I've done this).

 The xetexCV.cls class file should go in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
 folders as necessary).
 Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
 Then reconfigure LyX.

 Class and style files are part of TeX. Additional class and style files
 can be added to your TeX Live installation, as you're doing here.

 Layout files are specific to LyX. They are what allow LyX to make use of
 TeX class files. Go back to the instructions you linked to originally and
 find the zip file that contains the layout file. There are actually two zip
 files you need to download in order to have a complete set of files. There
 is xetexCV.zip, which contains some sample TeX files as well as xetexCV.cls
 and cvsplitbib.sty. There is also a xetexCV-LyX.zip, which contains a
 working LyX example and the xetexCV.layout file.

 Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working folder as your LyX file.
 With it in the same folder, you don't need to bother with the Local Layout
 setting.

 I was able to typeset the example file (a CV of J.R.R. Tolkien) by making
 the following changes:

 The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro, which is a licensed font
 you have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular. You also need Fontin
 Sans. Both are available for free here:

 http://www.exljbris.com

 Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation. In LyX, with the
 example LyX file open, use Document - Settings - Fonts. Check the
 choice to use non-Tex fonts, then change the Roman font from Minion Pro
 to Fontin Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

 I also had to go into Documents - Settings - LaTeX Preamble and edit the
 path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to the correct one for my installation rather
 than the author's.

 Typeset with View - PDF [XeTeX}

 It's a good looking CV. Thanks. I can make use of this layout.

 -- Rich



 On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

  And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder
 and
 put your xexexCV.cls file in it.
 

 Hi Richard,
 Some of what you said was a little out of my depth I think. But I did
 understand your last sentence included above.

 So now looking back at your original instructions I have done perhaps all
 of it:

 1) Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

 ~/Library/texmf DONE

 2) Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

 LyX - Reconfigure DONE

 3) When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

 Document - Settings - Document Class - Local Layout...

 This bit I am stuck at now. I got to Document Class and was disappointed
 not
 to see it on the list from the drop down menu where I thought it should
 be.
 I clicked then on local layout like you said, and that let me click
 through my computer to find the ~/Library/texmf folder. But although I can
 see the xetexCV.cls inside it, it is grayed out, so I cannot select it.
 Any ideas?

 Thank you!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

More on the xetexCV layout.

You don't actually have to specify Fontin Regular and Fontin Sans in
Document - Settings - Fonts as the xetexCV class specifies those fonts as
the defaults already. If you don't have the Fontin fonts installed and
don't specify others, then you'll get errors about missing fonts. You can
always specify anything that's on your Mac, as this is xetex. Hoefler Text
for Roman and Helvetica for Sans gives a nice result.

The layout is nice but fairly limited. If your needs are very similar to
the author's, such as in the example LyX file he provides, then it's very
easy to use.

The custom 'years' inset in the layout works well for just years, as in the
example. If you add months so the text goes over one line, the formatting
is not good. I worked around that by making the text smaller so it fits on
one line.

The layout as provided doesn't provide for itemized lists, so I added that.
But they don't format properly with the rest of the entries. I worked
around that temporarily by putting the list in the CV I'm working on into a
minipage box and adjusting the scaling.

Too much finger painting, but the CV looks very nice. I think I'll rewrite
the layout so it's more robust and flexible; a good excuse for learning
about LyX layouts in detail.

-- Rich



On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:

 If working with the terminal and configuration variables put you out of
 your depth, then TeX and LyX may not be appropriate tools until you're more
 familiar with OS X.

 In any case, I should follow my own advice and read the documentation
 (it's been a while since I've done this).

 The xetexCV.cls class file should go in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
 folders as necessary).
 Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
 Then reconfigure LyX.

 Class and style files are part of TeX. Additional class and style files
 can be added to your TeX Live installation, as you're doing here.

 Layout files are specific to LyX. They are what allow LyX to make use of
 TeX class files. Go back to the instructions you linked to originally and
 find the zip file that contains the layout file. There are actually two zip
 files you need to download in order to have a complete set of files. There
 is xetexCV.zip, which contains some sample TeX files as well as xetexCV.cls
 and cvsplitbib.sty. There is also a xetexCV-LyX.zip, which contains a
 working LyX example and the xetexCV.layout file.

 Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working folder as your LyX file.
 With it in the same folder, you don't need to bother with the Local Layout
 setting.

 I was able to typeset the example file (a CV of J.R.R. Tolkien) by making
 the following changes:

 The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro, which is a licensed font
 you have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular. You also need Fontin
 Sans. Both are available for free here:

 http://www.exljbris.com

 Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation. In LyX, with the
 example LyX file open, use Document - Settings - Fonts. Check the
 choice to use non-Tex fonts, then change the Roman font from Minion Pro
 to Fontin Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

 I also had to go into Documents - Settings - LaTeX Preamble and edit the
 path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to the correct one for my installation rather
 than the author's.

 Typeset with View - PDF [XeTeX}

 It's a good looking CV. Thanks. I can make use of this layout.

 -- Rich



 On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

  And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder
 and
 put your xexexCV.cls file in it.
 

 Hi Richard,
 Some of what you said was a little out of my depth I think. But I did
 understand your last sentence included above.

 So now looking back at your original instructions I have done perhaps all
 of it:

 1) Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

 ~/Library/texmf DONE

 2) Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

 LyX - Reconfigure DONE

 3) When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

 Document - Settings - Document Class - Local Layout...

 This bit I am stuck at now. I got to Document Class and was disappointed
 not
 to see it on the list from the drop down menu where I thought it should
 be.
 I clicked then on local layout like you said, and that let me click
 through my computer to find the ~/Library/texmf folder. But although I can
 see the xetexCV.cls inside it, it is grayed out, so I cannot select it.
 Any ideas?

 Thank you!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

More on the xetexCV layout.

You don't actually have to specify Fontin Regular and Fontin Sans in
Document -> Settings -> Fonts as the xetexCV class specifies those fonts as
the defaults already. If you don't have the Fontin fonts installed and
don't specify others, then you'll get errors about missing fonts. You can
always specify anything that's on your Mac, as this is xetex. Hoefler Text
for Roman and Helvetica for Sans gives a nice result.

The layout is nice but fairly limited. If your needs are very similar to
the author's, such as in the example LyX file he provides, then it's very
easy to use.

The custom 'years' inset in the layout works well for just years, as in the
example. If you add months so the text goes over one line, the formatting
is not good. I worked around that by making the text smaller so it fits on
one line.

The layout as provided doesn't provide for itemized lists, so I added that.
But they don't format properly with the rest of the entries. I worked
around that temporarily by putting the list in the CV I'm working on into a
minipage box and adjusting the scaling.

Too much finger painting, but the CV looks very nice. I think I'll rewrite
the layout so it's more robust and flexible; a good excuse for learning
about LyX layouts in detail.

-- Rich



On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>wrote:

> If working with the terminal and configuration variables put you out of
> your depth, then TeX and LyX may not be appropriate tools until you're more
> familiar with OS X.
>
> In any case, I should follow my own advice and read the documentation
> (it's been a while since I've done this).
>
> The xetexCV.cls class file should go in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
> folders as necessary).
> Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
> Then reconfigure LyX.
>
> Class and style files are part of TeX. Additional class and style files
> can be added to your TeX Live installation, as you're doing here.
>
> Layout files are specific to LyX. They are what allow LyX to make use of
> TeX class files. Go back to the instructions you linked to originally and
> find the zip file that contains the layout file. There are actually two zip
> files you need to download in order to have a complete set of files. There
> is xetexCV.zip, which contains some sample TeX files as well as xetexCV.cls
> and cvsplitbib.sty. There is also a xetexCV-LyX.zip, which contains a
> working LyX example and the xetexCV.layout file.
>
> Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working folder as your LyX file.
> With it in the same folder, you don't need to bother with the Local Layout
> setting.
>
> I was able to typeset the example file (a CV of J.R.R. Tolkien) by making
> the following changes:
>
> The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro, which is a licensed font
> you have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular. You also need Fontin
> Sans. Both are available for free here:
>
> http://www.exljbris.com
>
> Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation. In LyX, with the
> example LyX file open, use Document -> Settings -> Fonts. Check the
> choice to use non-Tex fonts, then change the Roman font from Minion Pro
> to Fontin Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.
>
> I also had to go into Documents -> Settings -> LaTeX Preamble and edit the
> path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to the correct one for my installation rather
> than the author's.
>
> Typeset with View -> PDF [XeTeX}
>
> It's a good looking CV. Thanks. I can make use of this layout.
>
> -- Rich
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder
>> and
>> put your xexexCV.cls file in it.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>> Some of what you said was a little out of my depth I think. But I did
>> understand your last sentence included above.
>>
>> So now looking back at your original instructions I have done perhaps all
>> of it:
>>
>> 1) Put the xetexCV.cls file here:
>>
>> ~/Library/texmf DONE
>>
>> 2) Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:
>>
>> LyX -> Reconfigure DONE
>>
>> 3) When you start your document, point it to your local layout:
>>
>> Document -> Settings -> Document Class -> Local Layout...
>>
>> This bit I am stuck at now. I got to Document Class and was disappointed
>> not
>> to see it on the list from the drop down menu where I thought it should
>> be.
>> I clicked then on "local layout" like you said, and that let me click
>> through my computer to find the ~/Library/texmf folder. But although I can
>> see the xetexCV.cls inside it, it is grayed out, so I cannot select it.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

OK.

Something that Linux, OS X and Windows all share is the concept of
'environmental variables' - these are variables whose content specify
certain locations or otherwise customize the behavior of programs. As a
Unix-style operating system, OS X uses Unix environmental variables.

To see all the environmental variables on your machine, use this command in
the Terminal:

set

You'll get a list of these variables. One of them will say:

HOME=/Users/justinJustin

That's your home directory in the OS X file structure. When you set up your
account you were asked to specify your full name and also an account name.
The latter was used for the name of your home directory.

~/ is Unix shorthand for the home directory in any account, so on your
machine, when you're logged into your account, ~/ and /Users/justinJustin
mean the same thing. Saves on typing.

Keep in mind that MacTeX is just a version of TeX Live adapted to the
peculiarities of OS X. There are configuration variables (not Unix
environmental variables) that are specific to your installation of TeX
Live. This command:

kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME

uses a command line utility that was installed as part of TeX Live to find
what the variable TEXMFHOME is set to in your installation.

For more information, refer to section 2.3 Overview of the predefined texmf
trees, in The Tex Live Guide-2013:

http://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/texlive-en/texlive-en.html

That documentation should also be part of your MacTeX installation. I keep
this link:

file:///usr/local/texlive/2013/readme-html.dir/readme.en.html

bookmarked in Safari. It will take you to your local copy of 'Welcome to
TeX Live' which contains links to your local documentation.

You may have noticed that I use both 'directory' and 'folder'. 'Directory'
is Unix-speak for what most now call a 'folder'. I'm in the habit of using
'folder' when I'm in the GUI and/or dealing with people who know nothing
about the Terminal or the other Unix underpinnings of OS X. I use
'directory' when I'm at the command line.

And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder and
put your xexexCV.cls file in it.

-- Rich




On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  Sorry, you're probably are looking in the right place, my bad.
 
 
 
  In the Terrminal, use this command:
 
 
  kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
 
 
  If the result is something like this:
 
  /Users/justin/Library/texmf
 
 
 
  (where 'justin' is the name of your home directory)
 
 
 
  But the 'termf' directory doesn't exist, try creating it and then put the
 xetexCV.cls file in it. LyX should see it.
 

 Hi Rich,
 I did that in my terminal, and it says this:
 Justins-MacBook-Pro:~ justinJustin$ kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
 /Users/justinJustin/Library/texmf
 Justins-MacBook-Pro:~ justinJustin$

 I do not know what that means. But like I said when I go to that library
 folder I do not see any texmf folder. Does this mean it exists or not?
 Should I create one?

 Thanks!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

If working with the terminal and configuration variables put you out of
your depth, then TeX and LyX may not be appropriate tools until you're more
familiar with OS X.

In any case, I should follow my own advice and read the documentation (it's
been a while since I've done this).

The xetexCV.cls class file should go in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
folders as necessary).
Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
Then reconfigure LyX.

Class and style files are part of TeX. Additional class and style files can
be added to your TeX Live installation, as you're doing here.

Layout files are specific to LyX. They are what allow LyX to make use of
TeX class files. Go back to the instructions you linked to originally and
find the zip file that contains the layout file. There are actually two zip
files you need to download in order to have a complete set of files. There
is xetexCV.zip, which contains some sample TeX files as well as xetexCV.cls
and cvsplitbib.sty. There is also a xetexCV-LyX.zip, which contains a
working LyX example and the xetexCV.layout file.

Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working folder as your LyX file.
With it in the same folder, you don't need to bother with the Local Layout
setting.

I was able to typeset the example file (a CV of J.R.R. Tolkien) by making
the following changes:

The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro, which is a licensed font you
have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular. You also need Fontin Sans.
Both are available for free here:

http://www.exljbris.com

Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation. In LyX, with the
example LyX file open, use Document - Settings - Fonts. Check the choice
to use non-Tex fonts, then change the Roman font from Minion Pro to Fontin
Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

I also had to go into Documents - Settings - LaTeX Preamble and edit the
path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to the correct one for my installation rather than
the author's.

Typeset with View - PDF [XeTeX}

It's a good looking CV. Thanks. I can make use of this layout.

-- Rich



On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

  And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder and
 put your xexexCV.cls file in it.
 

 Hi Richard,
 Some of what you said was a little out of my depth I think. But I did
 understand your last sentence included above.

 So now looking back at your original instructions I have done perhaps all
 of it:

 1) Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

 ~/Library/texmf DONE

 2) Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

 LyX - Reconfigure DONE

 3) When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

 Document - Settings - Document Class - Local Layout...

 This bit I am stuck at now. I got to Document Class and was disappointed
 not
 to see it on the list from the drop down menu where I thought it should be.
 I clicked then on local layout like you said, and that let me click
 through my computer to find the ~/Library/texmf folder. But although I can
 see the xetexCV.cls inside it, it is grayed out, so I cannot select it.
 Any ideas?

 Thank you!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

OK.

Something that Linux, OS X and Windows all share is the concept of
'environmental variables' - these are variables whose content specify
certain locations or otherwise customize the behavior of programs. As a
Unix-style operating system, OS X uses Unix environmental variables.

To see all the environmental variables on your machine, use this command in
the Terminal:

set

You'll get a list of these variables. One of them will say:

HOME=/Users/justinJustin

That's your home directory in the OS X file structure. When you set up your
account you were asked to specify your full name and also an account name.
The latter was used for the name of your home directory.

~/ is Unix shorthand for the home directory in any account, so on your
machine, when you're logged into your account, ~/ and /Users/justinJustin
mean the same thing. Saves on typing.

Keep in mind that MacTeX is just a version of TeX Live adapted to the
peculiarities of OS X. There are configuration variables (not Unix
environmental variables) that are specific to your installation of TeX
Live. This command:

kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME

uses a command line utility that was installed as part of TeX Live to find
what the variable TEXMFHOME is set to in your installation.

For more information, refer to section 2.3 Overview of the predefined texmf
trees, in The Tex Live Guide-2013:

http://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/texlive-en/texlive-en.html

That documentation should also be part of your MacTeX installation. I keep
this link:

file:///usr/local/texlive/2013/readme-html.dir/readme.en.html

bookmarked in Safari. It will take you to your local copy of 'Welcome to
TeX Live' which contains links to your local documentation.

You may have noticed that I use both 'directory' and 'folder'. 'Directory'
is Unix-speak for what most now call a 'folder'. I'm in the habit of using
'folder' when I'm in the GUI and/or dealing with people who know nothing
about the Terminal or the other Unix underpinnings of OS X. I use
'directory' when I'm at the command line.

And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder and
put your xexexCV.cls file in it.

-- Rich




On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  Sorry, you're probably are looking in the right place, my bad.
 
 
 
  In the Terrminal, use this command:
 
 
  kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
 
 
  If the result is something like this:
 
  /Users/justin/Library/texmf
 
 
 
  (where 'justin' is the name of your home directory)
 
 
 
  But the 'termf' directory doesn't exist, try creating it and then put the
 xetexCV.cls file in it. LyX should see it.
 

 Hi Rich,
 I did that in my terminal, and it says this:
 Justins-MacBook-Pro:~ justinJustin$ kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
 /Users/justinJustin/Library/texmf
 Justins-MacBook-Pro:~ justinJustin$

 I do not know what that means. But like I said when I go to that library
 folder I do not see any texmf folder. Does this mean it exists or not?
 Should I create one?

 Thanks!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

If working with the terminal and configuration variables put you out of
your depth, then TeX and LyX may not be appropriate tools until you're more
familiar with OS X.

In any case, I should follow my own advice and read the documentation (it's
been a while since I've done this).

The xetexCV.cls class file should go in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
folders as necessary).
Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
Then reconfigure LyX.

Class and style files are part of TeX. Additional class and style files can
be added to your TeX Live installation, as you're doing here.

Layout files are specific to LyX. They are what allow LyX to make use of
TeX class files. Go back to the instructions you linked to originally and
find the zip file that contains the layout file. There are actually two zip
files you need to download in order to have a complete set of files. There
is xetexCV.zip, which contains some sample TeX files as well as xetexCV.cls
and cvsplitbib.sty. There is also a xetexCV-LyX.zip, which contains a
working LyX example and the xetexCV.layout file.

Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working folder as your LyX file.
With it in the same folder, you don't need to bother with the Local Layout
setting.

I was able to typeset the example file (a CV of J.R.R. Tolkien) by making
the following changes:

The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro, which is a licensed font you
have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular. You also need Fontin Sans.
Both are available for free here:

http://www.exljbris.com

Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation. In LyX, with the
example LyX file open, use Document - Settings - Fonts. Check the choice
to use non-Tex fonts, then change the Roman font from Minion Pro to Fontin
Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

I also had to go into Documents - Settings - LaTeX Preamble and edit the
path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to the correct one for my installation rather than
the author's.

Typeset with View - PDF [XeTeX}

It's a good looking CV. Thanks. I can make use of this layout.

-- Rich



On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

  And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder and
 put your xexexCV.cls file in it.
 

 Hi Richard,
 Some of what you said was a little out of my depth I think. But I did
 understand your last sentence included above.

 So now looking back at your original instructions I have done perhaps all
 of it:

 1) Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

 ~/Library/texmf DONE

 2) Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

 LyX - Reconfigure DONE

 3) When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

 Document - Settings - Document Class - Local Layout...

 This bit I am stuck at now. I got to Document Class and was disappointed
 not
 to see it on the list from the drop down menu where I thought it should be.
 I clicked then on local layout like you said, and that let me click
 through my computer to find the ~/Library/texmf folder. But although I can
 see the xetexCV.cls inside it, it is grayed out, so I cannot select it.
 Any ideas?

 Thank you!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

OK.

Something that Linux, OS X and Windows all share is the concept of
'environmental variables' - these are variables whose content specify
certain locations or otherwise customize the behavior of programs. As a
Unix-style operating system, OS X uses Unix environmental variables.

To see all the environmental variables on your machine, use this command in
the Terminal:

set

You'll get a list of these variables. One of them will say:

HOME=/Users/justinJustin

That's your home directory in the OS X file structure. When you set up your
account you were asked to specify your full name and also an account name.
The latter was used for the name of your home directory.

~/ is Unix shorthand for the home directory in any account, so on your
machine, when you're logged into your account, ~/ and /Users/justinJustin
mean the same thing. Saves on typing.

Keep in mind that MacTeX is just a version of TeX Live adapted to the
peculiarities of OS X. There are configuration variables (not Unix
environmental variables) that are specific to your installation of TeX
Live. This command:

kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME

uses a command line utility that was installed as part of TeX Live to find
what the variable TEXMFHOME is set to in your installation.

For more information, refer to section 2.3 Overview of the predefined texmf
trees, in The Tex Live Guide-2013:

http://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/texlive-en/texlive-en.html

That documentation should also be part of your MacTeX installation. I keep
this link:

file:///usr/local/texlive/2013/readme-html.dir/readme.en.html

bookmarked in Safari. It will take you to your local copy of 'Welcome to
TeX Live' which contains links to your local documentation.

You may have noticed that I use both 'directory' and 'folder'. 'Directory'
is Unix-speak for what most now call a 'folder'. I'm in the habit of using
'folder' when I'm in the GUI and/or dealing with people who know nothing
about the Terminal or the other Unix underpinnings of OS X. I use
'directory' when I'm at the command line.

And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder and
put your xexexCV.cls file in it.

-- Rich




On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, you're probably are looking in the right place, my bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the Terrminal, use this command:
> >
> >
> > kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
> >
> >
> > If the result is something like this:
> >
> > /Users/justin/Library/texmf
> >
> >
> >
> > (where 'justin' is the name of your home directory)
> >
> >
> >
> > But the 'termf' directory doesn't exist, try creating it and then put the
> xetexCV.cls file in it. LyX should see it.
> >
>
> Hi Rich,
> I did that in my terminal, and it says this:
> Justins-MacBook-Pro:~ justinJustin$ kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
> /Users/justinJustin/Library/texmf
> Justins-MacBook-Pro:~ justinJustin$
>
> I do not know what that means. But like I said when I go to that library
> folder I do not see any texmf folder. Does this mean it exists or not?
> Should I create one?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

If working with the terminal and configuration variables put you out of
your depth, then TeX and LyX may not be appropriate tools until you're more
familiar with OS X.

In any case, I should follow my own advice and read the documentation (it's
been a while since I've done this).

The xetexCV.cls class file should go in ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex (create
folders as necessary).
Put the cvsplitbib.sty style file in the same place.
Then reconfigure LyX.

Class and style files are part of TeX. Additional class and style files can
be added to your TeX Live installation, as you're doing here.

Layout files are specific to LyX. They are what allow LyX to make use of
TeX class files. Go back to the instructions you linked to originally and
find the zip file that contains the layout file. There are actually two zip
files you need to download in order to have a complete set of files. There
is xetexCV.zip, which contains some sample TeX files as well as xetexCV.cls
and cvsplitbib.sty. There is also a xetexCV-LyX.zip, which contains a
working LyX example and the xetexCV.layout file.

Put the xetexCV.layout file in the same working folder as your LyX file.
With it in the same folder, you don't need to bother with the Local Layout
setting.

I was able to typeset the example file (a CV of J.R.R. Tolkien) by making
the following changes:

The example LyX file uses the font Minion Pro, which is a licensed font you
have to purchase. I substituted Fontin Regular. You also need Fontin Sans.
Both are available for free here:

http://www.exljbris.com

Use Font Book to add fonts to your OS X installation. In LyX, with the
example LyX file open, use Document -> Settings -> Fonts. Check the choice
to use non-Tex fonts, then change the Roman font from Minion Pro to Fontin
Regular and the Sans font to Fontin Sans.

I also had to go into Documents -> Settings -> LaTeX Preamble and edit the
path to JRR-Tolkien.jpg to the correct one for my installation rather than
the author's.

Typeset with View -> PDF [XeTeX}

It's a good looking CV. Thanks. I can make use of this layout.

-- Rich



On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
>
> > And yes, create the folder (or directory) 'texmf' in your home folder and
> put your xexexCV.cls file in it.
> >
>
> Hi Richard,
> Some of what you said was a little out of my depth I think. But I did
> understand your last sentence included above.
>
> So now looking back at your original instructions I have done perhaps all
> of it:
>
> 1) Put the xetexCV.cls file here:
>
> ~/Library/texmf DONE
>
> 2) Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:
>
> LyX -> Reconfigure DONE
>
> 3) When you start your document, point it to your local layout:
>
> Document -> Settings -> Document Class -> Local Layout...
>
> This bit I am stuck at now. I got to Document Class and was disappointed
> not
> to see it on the list from the drop down menu where I thought it should be.
> I clicked then on "local layout" like you said, and that let me click
> through my computer to find the ~/Library/texmf folder. But although I can
> see the xetexCV.cls inside it, it is grayed out, so I cannot select it.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thank you!
>
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

You're still looking in /Library instead of ~/Library




On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 in case it helps, inside 'texlive' is only '2013'. Inside that is only
 'texmf-var'. Inside that is only 'luantex-cache'. Inside that is only
 'generic'. Inside that is only 'names'. And there is nothing inside that.

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

Sorry, you're probably are looking in the right place, my bad.

In the Terrminal, use this command:

kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME

If the result is something like this:

/Users/justin/Library/texmf

(where 'justin' is the name of your home directory)

But the 'termf' directory doesn't exist, try creating it and then put the
xetexCV.cls file in it. LyX should see it.

-- Rich



On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:

 You're still looking in /Library instead of ~/Library




 On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 in case it helps, inside 'texlive' is only '2013'. Inside that is only
 'texmf-var'. Inside that is only 'luantex-cache'. Inside that is only
 'generic'. Inside that is only 'names'. And there is nothing inside that.

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

You're still looking in /Library instead of ~/Library




On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 in case it helps, inside 'texlive' is only '2013'. Inside that is only
 'texmf-var'. Inside that is only 'luantex-cache'. Inside that is only
 'generic'. Inside that is only 'names'. And there is nothing inside that.

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

Sorry, you're probably are looking in the right place, my bad.

In the Terrminal, use this command:

kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME

If the result is something like this:

/Users/justin/Library/texmf

(where 'justin' is the name of your home directory)

But the 'termf' directory doesn't exist, try creating it and then put the
xetexCV.cls file in it. LyX should see it.

-- Rich



On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:

 You're still looking in /Library instead of ~/Library




 On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 in case it helps, inside 'texlive' is only '2013'. Inside that is only
 'texmf-var'. Inside that is only 'luantex-cache'. Inside that is only
 'generic'. Inside that is only 'names'. And there is nothing inside that.

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

You're still looking in /Library instead of ~/Library




On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM, justin  wrote:

> in case it helps, inside 'texlive' is only '2013'. Inside that is only
> 'texmf-var'. Inside that is only 'luantex-cache'. Inside that is only
> 'generic'. Inside that is only 'names'. And there is nothing inside that.
>
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

Sorry, you're probably are looking in the right place, my bad.

In the Terrminal, use this command:

kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME

If the result is something like this:

/Users/justin/Library/texmf

(where 'justin' is the name of your home directory)

But the 'termf' directory doesn't exist, try creating it and then put the
xetexCV.cls file in it. LyX should see it.

-- Rich



On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>wrote:

> You're still looking in /Library instead of ~/Library
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> in case it helps, inside 'texlive' is only '2013'. Inside that is only
>> 'texmf-var'. Inside that is only 'luantex-cache'. Inside that is only
>> 'generic'. Inside that is only 'names'. And there is nothing inside that.
>>
>>
>

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

That's true for most OS X users, but not all.

If you want to use multi-platform programs, you have to put up with a
certain amount of non-Mac behavior. (As do Windows and Linux users, when
using programs primarily written to run on a different system.)

I'm just glad that LyX is available on OS X, even though it doesn't quite
fit into the system the way only for OS X programs do.

-- Rich


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:



 The OS X user should __never__ be required to look inside an app bundle
 from the Finder (by right-clicking or Control-clicking). This is anathema
 to the OS X user.

 Jerry

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

That's true for most OS X users, but not all.

If you want to use multi-platform programs, you have to put up with a
certain amount of non-Mac behavior. (As do Windows and Linux users, when
using programs primarily written to run on a different system.)

I'm just glad that LyX is available on OS X, even though it doesn't quite
fit into the system the way only for OS X programs do.

-- Rich


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:



 The OS X user should __never__ be required to look inside an app bundle
 from the Finder (by right-clicking or Control-clicking). This is anathema
 to the OS X user.

 Jerry

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

That's true for most OS X users, but not all.

If you want to use multi-platform programs, you have to put up with a
certain amount of non-Mac behavior. (As do Windows and Linux users, when
using programs primarily written to run on a different system.)

I'm just glad that LyX is available on OS X, even though it doesn't quite
fit into the system the way only for OS X programs do.

-- Rich


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jerry  wrote:

>
>
> The OS X user should __never__ be required to look inside an app bundle
> from the Finder (by right-clicking or Control-clicking). This is anathema
> to the OS X user.
>
> Jerry
>
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

The instructions you linked to are out of date in places and incomplete
with reference to dealing with MacTeX.

Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

~/Library/texmf

Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

LyX - Reconfigure

When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

Document - Settings - Document Class - Local Layout...

The instruction to enable 'Use XeLaTex' is obsolete.

Set the default output to 'PDF(XeTeX) in Document - Settings - Output -
Default Output Format: and use either Command-R or the toolbar icon to
typeset to a PDF.

-- Rich



On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wanted to install xetexCV document class.
 I have been trying to follow these instructions:
 http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/05/19/latex-cv-part4

 I am using Lyx 2.0.6, and the newest MacTex I guess since I downloaded it a
 few days ago. And Mac OS 10.9.

 Seems like there are 2 steps, one to put it into Lyx, and one to put it
 into
 Tex. (The Tex instructions I have found particularly impossible to
 understand).

 I put the .layout file into the layout folder of lyx. But the instructions
 tell me: When finished, reconfigure LyX (Tools-Reconfigure).
 However, under Tools, there is not such option as Reconfigure.

 Also it says To enable the feature, all you need do is go to Document -
 Settings - Output, and then enable the “Use XeLaTeX” feature. but I could
 not find Use XeLaTex option.

 And, I could not work out how to add the files to Tex. But it does say 
 For
 users of Mac OS X and Windows, XeTeX is included in the MacTeX and MikTeX
 distributions (respectively) - does that mean I do not need to add
 anything
 to it, since I installed MacTex?

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

There is a distinct difference between /Library (system wide library
directory) and ~/Library (the library directory in your home directory).
You're looking in the wrong place.



On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  The instructions you linked to are out of date in places and incomplete
 with reference to dealing with MacTeX.
 
 
 
  Put the xetexCV.cls file here:
 
 
  ~/Library/texmf
 
  Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:
 

 Hi Rich,
 I found the Library folder in my computer, but there is no texmf folder
 inside it. The only folder beginning like that is just called Tex. Within
 that, it has a folder called Distributions, and then 3 things that are
 'Aliases' called Local; Root and Documentation. Should I be putting it in
 any of these?

 Thanks!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

The instructions you linked to are out of date in places and incomplete
with reference to dealing with MacTeX.

Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

~/Library/texmf

Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

LyX - Reconfigure

When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

Document - Settings - Document Class - Local Layout...

The instruction to enable 'Use XeLaTex' is obsolete.

Set the default output to 'PDF(XeTeX) in Document - Settings - Output -
Default Output Format: and use either Command-R or the toolbar icon to
typeset to a PDF.

-- Rich



On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wanted to install xetexCV document class.
 I have been trying to follow these instructions:
 http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/05/19/latex-cv-part4

 I am using Lyx 2.0.6, and the newest MacTex I guess since I downloaded it a
 few days ago. And Mac OS 10.9.

 Seems like there are 2 steps, one to put it into Lyx, and one to put it
 into
 Tex. (The Tex instructions I have found particularly impossible to
 understand).

 I put the .layout file into the layout folder of lyx. But the instructions
 tell me: When finished, reconfigure LyX (Tools-Reconfigure).
 However, under Tools, there is not such option as Reconfigure.

 Also it says To enable the feature, all you need do is go to Document -
 Settings - Output, and then enable the “Use XeLaTeX” feature. but I could
 not find Use XeLaTex option.

 And, I could not work out how to add the files to Tex. But it does say 
 For
 users of Mac OS X and Windows, XeTeX is included in the MacTeX and MikTeX
 distributions (respectively) - does that mean I do not need to add
 anything
 to it, since I installed MacTex?

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

There is a distinct difference between /Library (system wide library
directory) and ~/Library (the library directory in your home directory).
You're looking in the wrong place.



On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  The instructions you linked to are out of date in places and incomplete
 with reference to dealing with MacTeX.
 
 
 
  Put the xetexCV.cls file here:
 
 
  ~/Library/texmf
 
  Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:
 

 Hi Rich,
 I found the Library folder in my computer, but there is no texmf folder
 inside it. The only folder beginning like that is just called Tex. Within
 that, it has a folder called Distributions, and then 3 things that are
 'Aliases' called Local; Root and Documentation. Should I be putting it in
 any of these?

 Thanks!

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

The instructions you linked to are out of date in places and incomplete
with reference to dealing with MacTeX.

Put the xetexCV.cls file here:

~/Library/texmf

Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:

LyX -> Reconfigure

When you start your document, point it to your local layout:

Document -> Settings -> Document Class -> Local Layout...

The instruction to enable 'Use XeLaTex' is obsolete.

Set the default output to 'PDF(XeTeX) in Document -> Settings -> Output ->
Default Output Format: and use either Command-R or the toolbar icon to
typeset to a PDF.

-- Rich



On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM, justin  wrote:

> I wanted to install xetexCV document class.
> I have been trying to follow these instructions:
> http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/05/19/latex-cv-part4
>
> I am using Lyx 2.0.6, and the newest MacTex I guess since I downloaded it a
> few days ago. And Mac OS 10.9.
>
> Seems like there are 2 steps, one to put it into Lyx, and one to put it
> into
> Tex. (The Tex instructions I have found particularly impossible to
> understand).
>
> I put the .layout file into the layout folder of lyx. But the instructions
> tell me: "When finished, reconfigure LyX (Tools->Reconfigure)."
> However, under Tools, there is not such option as Reconfigure.
>
> Also it says "To enable the feature, all you need do is go to Document ->
> Settings -> Output, and then enable the “Use XeLaTeX” feature." but I could
> not find "Use XeLaTex" option.
>
> And, I could not work out how to add the files to Tex. But it does say "
> For
> users of Mac OS X and Windows, XeTeX is included in the MacTeX and MikTeX
> distributions (respectively)" - does that mean I do not need to add
> anything
> to it, since I installed MacTex?
>
>

Re: Trying to install xetexCV document class

[Richard Talley]

There is a distinct difference between /Library (system wide library
directory) and ~/Library (the library directory in your home directory).
You're looking in the wrong place.



On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > The instructions you linked to are out of date in places and incomplete
> with reference to dealing with MacTeX.
> >
> >
> >
> > Put the xetexCV.cls file here:
> >
> >
> > ~/Library/texmf
> >
> > Reconfigure is under the LyX menu:
> >
>
> Hi Rich,
> I found the Library folder in my computer, but there is no texmf folder
> inside it. The only folder beginning like that is just called Tex. Within
> that, it has a folder called Distributions, and then 3 things that are
> 'Aliases' called Local; Root and Documentation. Should I be putting it in
> any of these?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

Happy New Year to you too. Glad you were able to find the LyX example files
you were looking for.

Spotlight doesn't index inside application bundles, so the Finder search
behavior you describe is normal on OS X. Users normally wouldn't need to be
searching inside bundles; the situation with the LyX example files is an
unusual exception.

-- Rich



On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so
 fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see
 Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue.
 
  Try this instead:
 
 
 
  Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to
 Folder...' command.
 
 
 
  Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that
 this
 is case sensitive):
 
 
 
  /Applications/LyX.app/Contents
 
 
 

 Thank you Richard, your method worked! Also, I discovered something else
 strange so will report it to you in case it helps you guys to
 repair/improve
 the software. With your method I go the folder and contents to display. IN
 that finder window, I can also search for 'example' to fine the file
 example_raw.lyx since there are so many files and folders inside. I can do
 that by choosing to search within that folder. HOWEVER, if I just open a
 usual finder window, and choose to search my whole computer for
 'example_raw.lyx' or even just 'example', it will not show the file. It
 seems all the contents of the lyx app or folder or whatever it is, are
 somehow invisible to searching, except by the method Richard has detailed.

 Anyway, many thanks to you RIchard and all you nice people who have tried
 to
 help. Very much appreciated :-) May you all have a lovely New Year :-)

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

Happy New Year to you too. Glad you were able to find the LyX example files
you were looking for.

Spotlight doesn't index inside application bundles, so the Finder search
behavior you describe is normal on OS X. Users normally wouldn't need to be
searching inside bundles; the situation with the LyX example files is an
unusual exception.

-- Rich



On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so
 fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see
 Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue.
 
  Try this instead:
 
 
 
  Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to
 Folder...' command.
 
 
 
  Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that
 this
 is case sensitive):
 
 
 
  /Applications/LyX.app/Contents
 
 
 

 Thank you Richard, your method worked! Also, I discovered something else
 strange so will report it to you in case it helps you guys to
 repair/improve
 the software. With your method I go the folder and contents to display. IN
 that finder window, I can also search for 'example' to fine the file
 example_raw.lyx since there are so many files and folders inside. I can do
 that by choosing to search within that folder. HOWEVER, if I just open a
 usual finder window, and choose to search my whole computer for
 'example_raw.lyx' or even just 'example', it will not show the file. It
 seems all the contents of the lyx app or folder or whatever it is, are
 somehow invisible to searching, except by the method Richard has detailed.

 Anyway, many thanks to you RIchard and all you nice people who have tried
 to
 help. Very much appreciated :-) May you all have a lovely New Year :-)

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

Happy New Year to you too. Glad you were able to find the LyX example files
you were looking for.

Spotlight doesn't index inside application bundles, so the Finder search
behavior you describe is normal on OS X. Users normally wouldn't need to be
searching inside bundles; the situation with the LyX example files is an
unusual exception.

-- Rich



On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so
> fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see
> Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue.
> >
> > Try this instead:
> >
> >
> >
> > Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to
> Folder...' command.
> >
> >
> >
> > Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that
> this
> is case sensitive):
> >
> >
> >
> > /Applications/LyX.app/Contents
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thank you Richard, your method worked! Also, I discovered something else
> strange so will report it to you in case it helps you guys to
> repair/improve
> the software. With your method I go the folder and contents to display. IN
> that finder window, I can also search for 'example' to fine the file
> example_raw.lyx since there are so many files and folders inside. I can do
> that by choosing to search within that folder. HOWEVER, if I just open a
> usual finder window, and choose to search my whole computer for
> 'example_raw.lyx' or even just 'example', it will not show the file. It
> seems all the contents of the lyx app or folder or whatever it is, are
> somehow invisible to searching, except by the method Richard has detailed.
>
> Anyway, many thanks to you RIchard and all you nice people who have tried
> to
> help. Very much appreciated :-) May you all have a lovely New Year :-)
>
>
>
>

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named 'Contents'?



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:


  On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package.
 
  Find LyX.app in your applications folder
  Right click on it and select show package contentsThe go to Contents -
 Resources - examples
  It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient
 outside of the app if you are going to use them often.
 
  hope that helps
  Steve
 
 
 

 I am using Mac OS 10.9 and this trick does not work. Doing show package
 contents shows an empty folder! Help would be much appreciated.

 Thanks

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX actually
runs, then the app can't possibly be empty.

In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually an
application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the
case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its
contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified
previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago.
(And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.)

I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your
installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to
find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a
Genius Bar appointment at your local Apple Store.

-- Rich



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named
 'Contents'?
 
 


 Thanks for coming back so quickly! Completely empty. Nothing in it
 whatsoever. That's what it shows using that method anyway. I would really
 love to find it, so I can learn to use lyx!

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so
fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see
Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue.

Try this instead:

Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to
Folder...' command.

Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that this
is case sensitive):

/Applications/LyX.app/Contents

-- Rich



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:


 
  That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX
 actually
 runs, then the app can't possibly be empty.
 
 
 
  In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually
 an
 application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the
 case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its
 contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified
 previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago.
 (And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.)
 
  I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your
 installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to
 find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a
 Genius
 Bar appointment at your local Apple Store.
 
  -- Rich


 Do you know anyone who has had this method work on the new Mac OS? I have
 been searching the internet for a solution, but I have not found anyone
 reporting if it works or not on OX 10.9. Perhaps they changed things with
 this new OS? The app itself is working, so maybe it is just keeping
 everything invisible. I am not technically proficient, so I do not know
 what
 else to do.

 Or is there anywhere we can just download the files which will help us
 learn
 to use lyx?

 Thank you!

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named 'Contents'?



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:


  On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package.
 
  Find LyX.app in your applications folder
  Right click on it and select show package contentsThe go to Contents -
 Resources - examples
  It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient
 outside of the app if you are going to use them often.
 
  hope that helps
  Steve
 
 
 

 I am using Mac OS 10.9 and this trick does not work. Doing show package
 contents shows an empty folder! Help would be much appreciated.

 Thanks

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX actually
runs, then the app can't possibly be empty.

In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually an
application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the
case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its
contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified
previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago.
(And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.)

I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your
installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to
find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a
Genius Bar appointment at your local Apple Store.

-- Rich



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Richard Talley rich.talley at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
  A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named
 'Contents'?
 
 


 Thanks for coming back so quickly! Completely empty. Nothing in it
 whatsoever. That's what it shows using that method anyway. I would really
 love to find it, so I can learn to use lyx!

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so
fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see
Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue.

Try this instead:

Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to
Folder...' command.

Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that this
is case sensitive):

/Applications/LyX.app/Contents

-- Rich



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM, justin justina...@yahoo.com wrote:


 
  That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX
 actually
 runs, then the app can't possibly be empty.
 
 
 
  In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually
 an
 application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the
 case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its
 contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified
 previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago.
 (And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.)
 
  I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your
 installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to
 find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a
 Genius
 Bar appointment at your local Apple Store.
 
  -- Rich


 Do you know anyone who has had this method work on the new Mac OS? I have
 been searching the internet for a solution, but I have not found anyone
 reporting if it works or not on OX 10.9. Perhaps they changed things with
 this new OS? The app itself is working, so maybe it is just keeping
 everything invisible. I am not technically proficient, so I do not know
 what
 else to do.

 Or is there anywhere we can just download the files which will help us
 learn
 to use lyx?

 Thank you!

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named 'Contents'?



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM, justin  wrote:

>
> > On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package.
> >
> > Find LyX.app in your applications folder
> > Right click on it and select "show package contents"The go to Contents ->
> Resources -> examples
> > It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient
> outside of the app if you are going to use them often.
> >
> > hope that helps
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
> I am using Mac OS 10.9 and this trick does not work. Doing "show package
> contents" shows an empty folder! Help would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX actually
runs, then the app can't possibly be empty.

In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually an
application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the
case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its
contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified
previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago.
(And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.)

I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your
installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to
find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a
Genius Bar appointment at your local Apple Store.

-- Rich



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM, justin <justina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richard Talley  gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named
> 'Contents'?
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks for coming back so quickly! Completely empty. Nothing in it
> whatsoever. That's what it shows using that method anyway. I would really
> love to find it, so I can learn to use lyx!
>
>

Re: Tutorial sample files

[Richard Talley]

I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so
fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see
Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue.

Try this instead:

Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to
Folder...' command.

Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that this
is case sensitive):

/Applications/LyX.app/Contents

-- Rich



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM, justin  wrote:

>
> >
> > That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX
> actually
> runs, then the app can't possibly be empty.
> >
> >
> >
> > In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually
> an
> application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the
> case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its
> contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified
> previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago.
> (And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.)
> >
> > I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your
> installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to
> find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a
> Genius
> Bar appointment at your local Apple Store.
> >
> > -- Rich
>
>
> Do you know anyone who has had this method work on the new Mac OS? I have
> been searching the internet for a solution, but I have not found anyone
> reporting if it works or not on OX 10.9. Perhaps they changed things with
> this new OS? The app itself is working, so maybe it is just keeping
> everything invisible. I am not technically proficient, so I do not know
> what
> else to do.
>
> Or is there anywhere we can just download the files which will help us
> learn
> to use lyx?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>

Re: Anyone used Lyx on Mac OS X Mavericks

[Richard Talley]

Backup and sync (contacts, calendars) are two different things.

Apple has removed the sync services framework from OS X Mavericks.

Look here and scroll down to the 'What you can sync' section:

https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1386

A lot of people are unhappy with this:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23507176#23507176

-- Rich





On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Murat Yildizoglu 
murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote:

 I do not understand your remark. I am, at this moment backing up my iPhone
 (iOS7) on my MacBook (Mavericks) without any problem. In my case, I have
 always unchecked the backup through iCloud and checked the backup on this
 computer. I also see that synchronization is available as a button and it
 will probably become active when the backup will finish.


 2013/10/31 Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net

 Am 31.10.2013 um 14:56 schrieb James Sutherland 
 james.sutherl...@utah.edu:

  I just started testing with Mavericks and haven't seen any trouble with
 LyX.
  James

 Sorry, slightly of topic, but…

 I don't want to upgrade to Mavericks because of the crippled
 Sync-Services.
 With Mavericks one cannot sync it's iPhone via USB-Port anymore.
 You have to use your iCloud account at Apple to sync your contacts and
 calendars.
 I didn't find any alternate solution.

 All of you Apple users, you have no problem with this privacy attack?

 I'm baffled.

 Regards,
 Stephan

  On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Murat Yildizoglu 
 murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote:
  This probably depends on your keyboard configuration too. I use a
 customized French configuration where \ is inserted using the sterling key
 (that I never use anyway), and this works under Mavericks and Lyx 2.05 and
 2.1 beta1 in my case.
 
 
  2013/10/30 Robert Betz robert.b...@newcastle.edu.au
 
  I have recently installed Mavericks. Lyx works, but have found the the
 ‘\’ character does not print on the screen. Instead one gets a “ (inverted
 comma) character. This occurs in general text, and the ERTs and in Maths
 equations.
 
  Has anyone come across this, and do they know of a fix.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Regards,
 
  Bob
 
 
  PROFESSOR ROBERT BETZ
  Head of School
  School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
  Faculty of Engineering and Built Environment
 
  T: +61 2 4921 6091
  M: +61 (0)419 249 948
  F: +61 2 4921 6993
  E: robert.b...@newcastle.edu.au
 
  The University of Newcastle (UoN)
  University Drive
  Callaghan NSW 2308
  Australia
 
  CRICOS Provider 00109J
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
 
  Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
  GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
  Avenue Léon Duguit
  33608 Pessac cedex
  France
 
  Bureau : E-331
 
  mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr
 
  web: yildizoglu.info
 




 --
 Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

 Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
 GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
 Avenue Léon Duguit
 33608 Pessac cedex
 France

 Bureau : E-331

 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr

 web: yildizoglu.info

Re: Anyone used Lyx on Mac OS X Mavericks

[Richard Talley]

Backup and sync (contacts, calendars) are two different things.

Apple has removed the sync services framework from OS X Mavericks.

Look here and scroll down to the 'What you can sync' section:

https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1386

A lot of people are unhappy with this:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23507176#23507176

-- Rich





On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Murat Yildizoglu 
murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote:

 I do not understand your remark. I am, at this moment backing up my iPhone
 (iOS7) on my MacBook (Mavericks) without any problem. In my case, I have
 always unchecked the backup through iCloud and checked the backup on this
 computer. I also see that synchronization is available as a button and it
 will probably become active when the backup will finish.


 2013/10/31 Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net

 Am 31.10.2013 um 14:56 schrieb James Sutherland 
 james.sutherl...@utah.edu:

  I just started testing with Mavericks and haven't seen any trouble with
 LyX.
  James

 Sorry, slightly of topic, but…

 I don't want to upgrade to Mavericks because of the crippled
 Sync-Services.
 With Mavericks one cannot sync it's iPhone via USB-Port anymore.
 You have to use your iCloud account at Apple to sync your contacts and
 calendars.
 I didn't find any alternate solution.

 All of you Apple users, you have no problem with this privacy attack?

 I'm baffled.

 Regards,
 Stephan

  On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Murat Yildizoglu 
 murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote:
  This probably depends on your keyboard configuration too. I use a
 customized French configuration where \ is inserted using the sterling key
 (that I never use anyway), and this works under Mavericks and Lyx 2.05 and
 2.1 beta1 in my case.
 
 
  2013/10/30 Robert Betz robert.b...@newcastle.edu.au
 
  I have recently installed Mavericks. Lyx works, but have found the the
 ‘\’ character does not print on the screen. Instead one gets a “ (inverted
 comma) character. This occurs in general text, and the ERTs and in Maths
 equations.
 
  Has anyone come across this, and do they know of a fix.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Regards,
 
  Bob
 
 
  PROFESSOR ROBERT BETZ
  Head of School
  School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
  Faculty of Engineering and Built Environment
 
  T: +61 2 4921 6091
  M: +61 (0)419 249 948
  F: +61 2 4921 6993
  E: robert.b...@newcastle.edu.au
 
  The University of Newcastle (UoN)
  University Drive
  Callaghan NSW 2308
  Australia
 
  CRICOS Provider 00109J
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
 
  Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
  GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
  Avenue Léon Duguit
  33608 Pessac cedex
  France
 
  Bureau : E-331
 
  mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr
 
  web: yildizoglu.info
 




 --
 Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

 Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
 GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
 Avenue Léon Duguit
 33608 Pessac cedex
 France

 Bureau : E-331

 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr

 web: yildizoglu.info

Re: Anyone used Lyx on Mac OS X Mavericks

[Richard Talley]

Backup and sync (contacts, calendars) are two different things.

Apple has removed the sync services framework from OS X Mavericks.

Look here and scroll down to the 'What you can sync' section:

https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1386

A lot of people are unhappy with this:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23507176#23507176

-- Rich





On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Murat Yildizoglu <
murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr> wrote:

> I do not understand your remark. I am, at this moment backing up my iPhone
> (iOS7) on my MacBook (Mavericks) without any problem. In my case, I have
> always unchecked the backup through iCloud and checked the backup "on this
> computer". I also see that synchronization is available as a button and it
> will probably become active when the backup will finish.
>
>
> 2013/10/31 Stephan Witt 
>
>> Am 31.10.2013 um 14:56 schrieb James Sutherland <
>> james.sutherl...@utah.edu>:
>>
>> > I just started testing with Mavericks and haven't seen any trouble with
>> LyX.
>> > James
>>
>> Sorry, slightly of topic, but…
>>
>> I don't want to upgrade to Mavericks because of the crippled
>> Sync-Services.
>> With Mavericks one cannot sync it's iPhone via USB-Port anymore.
>> You have to use your iCloud account at Apple to sync your contacts and
>> calendars.
>> I didn't find any alternate solution.
>>
>> All of you Apple users, you have no problem with this privacy attack?
>>
>> I'm baffled.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Stephan
>>
>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Murat Yildizoglu <
>> murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr> wrote:
>> > This probably depends on your keyboard configuration too. I use a
>> customized French configuration where \ is inserted using the sterling key
>> (that I never use anyway), and this works under Mavericks and Lyx 2.05 and
>> 2.1 beta1 in my case.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/10/30 Robert Betz 
>> >
>> > I have recently installed Mavericks. Lyx works, but have found the the
>> ‘\’ character does not print on the screen. Instead one gets a “ (inverted
>> comma) character. This occurs in general text, and the ERTs and in Maths
>> equations.
>> >
>> > Has anyone come across this, and do they know of a fix.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > PROFESSOR ROBERT BETZ
>> > Head of School
>> > School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
>> > Faculty of Engineering and Built Environment
>> >
>> > T: +61 2 4921 6091
>> > M: +61 (0)419 249 948
>> > F: +61 2 4921 6993
>> > E: robert.b...@newcastle.edu.au
>> >
>> > The University of Newcastle (UoN)
>> > University Drive
>> > Callaghan NSW 2308
>> > Australia
>> >
>> > CRICOS Provider 00109J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
>> >
>> > Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
>> > GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
>> > Avenue Léon Duguit
>> > 33608 Pessac cedex
>> > France
>> >
>> > Bureau : E-331
>> >
>> > mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr
>> >
>> > web: yildizoglu.info
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
>
> Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
> GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
> Avenue Léon Duguit
> 33608 Pessac cedex
> France
>
> Bureau : E-331
>
> mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr
>
> web: yildizoglu.info
>

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote:


 I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of
 mass exodus.  Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw that
 open source has, but IMO is not doing a good job of meeting.  I think
 Canonical is making that effort, but I have no feel as to their success.
  Someday, when I'm rich but not famous, and have the time, I really want to
 try Linux.  Personally, I don't care for the direction MS and Apple are
 going with the operating systems.  AKA, I'm not a cloud fan and a devotee
 of the cloud idea for personal use.

 I see an opportunity for open source to be a real contender/option to be
 an alternative to MS and Apple for the users.  I think this should be
 obvious with the success of the Android/Linux based phones.  I am a fan of
 competition, of which there is little today.  But I think the attitudes of
 many in the open source community may be undermining that opportunity.


The words I wrote that started this thread were a little harsh, but I was
frustrated. My experience with LyX has been excellent - it's gotten out of
my way and allowed me to concentrate on the content and structure of my
documents, just what it was designed to do.

In other circumstances, with no time deadline, I would not have minded
working on the problem. But I was writing from the point of view of the
majority of users to whom computers are not intrinsically interesting, but
just tools to get some work done. The response to this is often an
exhortation to them to learn about their computers, an attitude that
there's something lacking in those who don't. But I've known any number of
intelligent doctors and lawyers and teachers whose cognitive loads are
already high enough that telling them that they need to gain an intimate of
knowledge of computers is just a bar too high. They want their computers to
just work, the way the other appliances in their lives do. Apple seems to
understand this better than the rest of the industry; it's striking to
watch toddlers pick up iPads and just get to it. (Noting that Apple OSes
are based on FOSS and they contribute in important ways to the community;
who would have guessed 25 years ago that Apple would achieve the apparently
impossible - a Unix-style operating system usable by the average person?)

That said, there are two attitudes common in the open source community that
are orthogonal.

The first is that free (in Stallman's senses) and open software is just
better, intrinsically, philosophically and politically. It should take over
the world. The bazaar is better than the cathedral.

But when people complain about how impenetrable, geeky and poorly
documented much of FOSS is, it's often thrown back in their faces (we're
all volunteers, we scratch our own itches, learn about your computer, learn
to code and contribute).

FOSS is wonderful, at times. FOSS is terrible, at times (sometimes the same
time it's wonderful).

Proprietary software is wonderful, at times. It's terrible, at times
(sometimes the same time it's wonderful).

A lot of human technology is old (controlled fire goes back before H.
sapiens!) and we've learned lots of ways to control and cope. Digital
computer technology is less than a century old and we're still in the early
learning phase of controlling and coping with it.

I divide software organizations, not into FOSS vs. proprietary, but into
apathetic or hostile to criticism vs. receptive and listening. This list
provides a lot of patient handholding that is atypical (perhaps that has
something to do with the fact that it's a community of people who write,
for whatever purpose). I appreciate it very much.

-- Rich

Re: misleading doc link in moderncv example

[Richard Talley]

I appreciate the useful links. Thanks.

-- Rich


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote:

 ...

  Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv
  class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in
 the
  preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation
  of the LaTeX-package moderncv.'

  Yeah, right. The README for moderncv is very short and includes this:
 'Until
  a decent manual is written, you can always look in the examples
 directory
  for some examples. Documents can be compiled into dvi, ps or pdf.'

  The example LyX file points to documentation that doesn't actually exist.
  There is no 'more information'.
 ...

 To fill this gap, there are a number of tutorials and docs on the WWW.
 The example file may rather point to, e.g.,

 http://frank.uvena.de/de/LaTeX/moderncv/ (German)

 http://www.surefoss.org/workflow/akademische-lebenslaufe-mit-latex-und-dem-moderncv-package/
 (German)

 http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2012/09/Bewerbungen-erstellen-mit-der-LaTeX-Klasse-Modern-CV/

 (As to the original misleading title of this bug report: IMO support and
 documentation of commercial software (in general) is by no means better.
 Of course, whith widely used programs the chance to find a competent user
 nearby is higher the with of the box programs.

 Günter

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

[Richard Talley]

Yes, please don't leave.

You can always just ignore the thread that you consider a 'slanging
session' - just delete them unread. ;o)

I'm not sorry I triggered the thread in question - less heat and more
discussion than I've seen elsewhere.

Some days I just hate computers, and I let it show. Don't let that drive
you away.

This is a great group!

-- Rich



On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:


 gordon_cooper writes:

  Hello to all,
  I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded
  this Group as place to find help.  I am saddened to see it descend
  into a slanging session.
 
  I quit,
  Gordon
  New Zealand

 Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the list is one
 of the friendliest around as well as being one of the most helpful.

 Cheers,
 Alan


 --
 Alan L Tyree   http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote:


 I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of
 mass exodus.  Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw that
 open source has, but IMO is not doing a good job of meeting.  I think
 Canonical is making that effort, but I have no feel as to their success.
  Someday, when I'm rich but not famous, and have the time, I really want to
 try Linux.  Personally, I don't care for the direction MS and Apple are
 going with the operating systems.  AKA, I'm not a cloud fan and a devotee
 of the cloud idea for personal use.

 I see an opportunity for open source to be a real contender/option to be
 an alternative to MS and Apple for the users.  I think this should be
 obvious with the success of the Android/Linux based phones.  I am a fan of
 competition, of which there is little today.  But I think the attitudes of
 many in the open source community may be undermining that opportunity.


The words I wrote that started this thread were a little harsh, but I was
frustrated. My experience with LyX has been excellent - it's gotten out of
my way and allowed me to concentrate on the content and structure of my
documents, just what it was designed to do.

In other circumstances, with no time deadline, I would not have minded
working on the problem. But I was writing from the point of view of the
majority of users to whom computers are not intrinsically interesting, but
just tools to get some work done. The response to this is often an
exhortation to them to learn about their computers, an attitude that
there's something lacking in those who don't. But I've known any number of
intelligent doctors and lawyers and teachers whose cognitive loads are
already high enough that telling them that they need to gain an intimate of
knowledge of computers is just a bar too high. They want their computers to
just work, the way the other appliances in their lives do. Apple seems to
understand this better than the rest of the industry; it's striking to
watch toddlers pick up iPads and just get to it. (Noting that Apple OSes
are based on FOSS and they contribute in important ways to the community;
who would have guessed 25 years ago that Apple would achieve the apparently
impossible - a Unix-style operating system usable by the average person?)

That said, there are two attitudes common in the open source community that
are orthogonal.

The first is that free (in Stallman's senses) and open software is just
better, intrinsically, philosophically and politically. It should take over
the world. The bazaar is better than the cathedral.

But when people complain about how impenetrable, geeky and poorly
documented much of FOSS is, it's often thrown back in their faces (we're
all volunteers, we scratch our own itches, learn about your computer, learn
to code and contribute).

FOSS is wonderful, at times. FOSS is terrible, at times (sometimes the same
time it's wonderful).

Proprietary software is wonderful, at times. It's terrible, at times
(sometimes the same time it's wonderful).

A lot of human technology is old (controlled fire goes back before H.
sapiens!) and we've learned lots of ways to control and cope. Digital
computer technology is less than a century old and we're still in the early
learning phase of controlling and coping with it.

I divide software organizations, not into FOSS vs. proprietary, but into
apathetic or hostile to criticism vs. receptive and listening. This list
provides a lot of patient handholding that is atypical (perhaps that has
something to do with the fact that it's a community of people who write,
for whatever purpose). I appreciate it very much.

-- Rich

Re: misleading doc link in moderncv example

[Richard Talley]

I appreciate the useful links. Thanks.

-- Rich


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote:

 ...

  Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv
  class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in
 the
  preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation
  of the LaTeX-package moderncv.'

  Yeah, right. The README for moderncv is very short and includes this:
 'Until
  a decent manual is written, you can always look in the examples
 directory
  for some examples. Documents can be compiled into dvi, ps or pdf.'

  The example LyX file points to documentation that doesn't actually exist.
  There is no 'more information'.
 ...

 To fill this gap, there are a number of tutorials and docs on the WWW.
 The example file may rather point to, e.g.,

 http://frank.uvena.de/de/LaTeX/moderncv/ (German)

 http://www.surefoss.org/workflow/akademische-lebenslaufe-mit-latex-und-dem-moderncv-package/
 (German)

 http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2012/09/Bewerbungen-erstellen-mit-der-LaTeX-Klasse-Modern-CV/

 (As to the original misleading title of this bug report: IMO support and
 documentation of commercial software (in general) is by no means better.
 Of course, whith widely used programs the chance to find a competent user
 nearby is higher the with of the box programs.

 Günter

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

[Richard Talley]

Yes, please don't leave.

You can always just ignore the thread that you consider a 'slanging
session' - just delete them unread. ;o)

I'm not sorry I triggered the thread in question - less heat and more
discussion than I've seen elsewhere.

Some days I just hate computers, and I let it show. Don't let that drive
you away.

This is a great group!

-- Rich



On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:


 gordon_cooper writes:

  Hello to all,
  I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded
  this Group as place to find help.  I am saddened to see it descend
  into a slanging session.
 
  I quit,
  Gordon
  New Zealand

 Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the list is one
 of the friendliest around as well as being one of the most helpful.

 Cheers,
 Alan


 --
 Alan L Tyree   http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Ken Springer  wrote:

>
> I can't speak for Rich, but it was not my intent to leave an impression of
> "mass exodus".  Just my pulling back from the potential promise I saw that
> open source has, but IMO is not doing a good job of meeting.  I think
> Canonical is making that effort, but I have no feel as to their success.
>  Someday, when I'm rich but not famous, and have the time, I really want to
> try Linux.  Personally, I don't care for the direction MS and Apple are
> going with the operating systems.  AKA, I'm not a cloud fan and a devotee
> of the cloud idea for personal use.
>
> I see an opportunity for open source to be a real contender/option to be
> an alternative to MS and Apple for the users.  I think this should be
> obvious with the success of the Android/Linux based phones.  I am a fan of
> competition, of which there is little today.  But I think the attitudes of
> many in the open source community may be undermining that opportunity.
>
>
The words I wrote that started this thread were a little harsh, but I was
frustrated. My experience with LyX has been excellent - it's gotten out of
my way and allowed me to concentrate on the content and structure of my
documents, just what it was designed to do.

In other circumstances, with no time deadline, I would not have minded
working on the problem. But I was writing from the point of view of the
majority of users to whom computers are not intrinsically interesting, but
just tools to get some work done. The response to this is often an
exhortation to them to learn about their computers, an attitude that
there's something lacking in those who don't. But I've known any number of
intelligent doctors and lawyers and teachers whose cognitive loads are
already high enough that telling them that they need to gain an intimate of
knowledge of computers is just a bar too high. They want their computers to
just work, the way the other appliances in their lives do. Apple seems to
understand this better than the rest of the industry; it's striking to
watch toddlers pick up iPads and just get to it. (Noting that Apple OSes
are based on FOSS and they contribute in important ways to the community;
who would have guessed 25 years ago that Apple would achieve the apparently
impossible - a Unix-style operating system usable by the average person?)

That said, there are two attitudes common in the open source community that
are orthogonal.

The first is that free (in Stallman's senses) and open software is just
better, intrinsically, philosophically and politically. It should take over
the world. The bazaar is better than the cathedral.

But when people complain about how impenetrable, geeky and poorly
documented much of FOSS is, it's often thrown back in their faces (we're
all volunteers, we scratch our own itches, learn about your computer, learn
to code and contribute).

FOSS is wonderful, at times. FOSS is terrible, at times (sometimes the same
time it's wonderful).

Proprietary software is wonderful, at times. It's terrible, at times
(sometimes the same time it's wonderful).

A lot of human technology is old (controlled fire goes back before H.
sapiens!) and we've learned lots of ways to control and cope. Digital
computer technology is less than a century old and we're still in the early
learning phase of controlling and coping with it.

I divide software organizations, not into FOSS vs. proprietary, but into
apathetic or hostile to criticism vs. receptive and listening. This list
provides a lot of patient handholding that is atypical (perhaps that has
something to do with the fact that it's a community of people who write,
for whatever purpose). I appreciate it very much.

-- Rich

Re: misleading doc link in moderncv example

[Richard Talley]

I appreciate the useful links. Thanks.

-- Rich


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Guenter Milde <mi...@users.sf.net> wrote:

> On 2013-10-23, Richard Talley wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv
> > class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in
> the
> > preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation
> > of the LaTeX-package moderncv.'
>
> > Yeah, right. The README for moderncv is very short and includes this:
> 'Until
> > a decent manual is written, you can always look in the "examples"
> directory
> > for some examples. Documents can be compiled into dvi, ps or pdf.'
>
> > The example LyX file points to documentation that doesn't actually exist.
> > There is no 'more information'.
> ...
>
> To fill this gap, there are a number of tutorials and docs on the WWW.
> The example file may rather point to, e.g.,
>
> http://frank.uvena.de/de/LaTeX/moderncv/ (German)
>
> http://www.surefoss.org/workflow/akademische-lebenslaufe-mit-latex-und-dem-moderncv-package/
> (German)
>
> http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2012/09/Bewerbungen-erstellen-mit-der-LaTeX-Klasse-Modern-CV/
>
> (As to the original misleading title of this bug report: IMO support and
> documentation of commercial software (in general) is by no means better.
> Of course, whith widely used programs the chance to find a competent user
> nearby is higher the with "of the box" programs.
>
> Günter
>
>
>

Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.

[Richard Talley]

Yes, please don't leave.

You can always just ignore the thread that you consider a 'slanging
session' - just delete them unread. ;o)

I'm not sorry I triggered the thread in question - less heat and more
discussion than I've seen elsewhere.

Some days I just hate computers, and I let it show. Don't let that drive
you away.

This is a great group!

-- Rich



On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Alan L Tyree  wrote:

>
> gordon_cooper writes:
>
> > Hello to all,
> > I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded
> > this Group as place to find help.  I am saddened to see it descend
> > into a slanging session.
> >
> > I quit,
> > Gordon
> > New Zealand
>
> Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the list is one
> of the friendliest around as well as being one of the most helpful.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
>
> --
> Alan L Tyree   http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
> Tel:  04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
>

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more
helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech support
at small vendors. And they actually read my emails, instead of replying
with canned responses.

My experience with LyX has been mostly excellent. I started using it at
work a number of years ago because I need to produce some technical manuals
quickly. I wanted something that would not lose track of things in the
cross-references and TOC (as Word is wont to do as documents get longer and
more complex). LyX allowed me to get to work right away on content and
produced very professional output.

I've used the KOMA-script versions of report, article and book, and I've
also used the letter template that comes with LyX. Yesterday was the first
time I ever tried to use one of the examples that come with LyX.

With scant documentation, the only way to figure out how the example worked
was trial and error. I wanted to concentrate on getting the document done,
not futz around with the example.

Something good did come out of this. In searching for information about
moderncv, I chanced upon this site:

http://www.latextemplates.com

They have a template based on moderndv very similar to the example that
comes with LyX, but the TeX source file has complete and detailed comments.
So I switched to TeXShop and got good results right away. First time I've
had to do that.

I like the words of the Kiwi whose site it is:

I am by no means an expert on LaTeX, but I recognize that others are
similar to myself and only want to use LaTeX as a tool to create a
document, without having to dig around in forums for solutions on how to
tweak the document in some small way. There is no reason that LaTeX cannot
be a simple platform for creating documents where little more is required
than to change example text to your own text in a pre-configured template.
To this end, templates on this website have been carefully pulled apart,
cleaned up and made easier to use for the average person just starting to
use LaTeX.

-- Rich



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote:

 On 10/23/13 11:24 AM, David L. Johnson wrote:

 On 10/23/2013 12:33 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


 The program I filed the bugs with is one that wishes to take on a
 commercial program in the marketplace.  And they add new features,
 some of which are inevitable buggy.  But the attitude exhibited by not
 fixing existing bugs is very unprofessional.  If you are a business,
 with competition, you want tools that work, not tools you spend a lot
 of time finding work arounds.

 3.  When the new version comes out, and the developers have broken
 something, they say it's a regression.  Oh, BS!!  That's just
 political spin for not saying they screwed up and didn't catch it.  I
 would appreciate the pure honesty of admitting a mistake than
 political spin.

 4.  My impression is, for most open source software I've tried over a
 period of time, the quality assurance/testing program to look for and
 find bugs is seriously flawed.  Some bugs are blatant, and I ask
 myself, How did they miss that?


 I look at those complaints, and wonder that you don't see such issues,
 and worse, with commercial software as well.


 Invariably, there will be bugs in any sophisticated software.  The
 question that arises for me is, are they important to the developer?  I
 think, when the developers are being paid for their work, they are more
 attentive to fixing the bugs, as their next paycheck depends on it.

 These days, when I do suggest software, it's often a program that has both
 free and paid versions.  My theory is, that programs developers will be
 more attentive to bugs in the free version as the incentive is to get you
 to purchase the more sophisticated paid version.  I don't think very many
 people, when finding a lot of bugs in the free version, will opt to
 purchase the paid version.


  For me, the difference
 between commercial software and open-source is that, when you do have a
 problem, you have a chance, with open-source software, to actually ask
 for help from the person who wrote it.


 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I think smaller developers are easier to get
 in touch with.


  For example, this list is
 well-populated by the actual developers of LyX, who are very helpful.


 Which is what I'd read online, and why I'm going to try LyX.  Also,
 because it's a typesetting program.  And I want better output than the
 average word processor.


  Commercial support will connect you with a call center full of people
 reading from scripts.


 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I've found the smaller vendors to be much
 more helpful than the larger vendors.

 I have a file management program on this Mac, and when I found a problem,
 I ended up talking via email about the problem.  We finally figured out
 what triggered the problem, but I'm not checked for an update.


 --
 Ken

 Mac OS X 10.8.5
 Firefox 24.0
 Thunderbird 

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote:

 



 LyX looks to be rather out of the box from you basic office suite
 thinking, and I want to get that under control before getting into any
 tweaking.


As you get started with LyX resist the temptation to 'finger paint'. You
get some content in and get a preliminary output - at that point you'll
want to tweak the output because that's what you're used to with WYSIWYG
word processors like Word. Don't. TeX knows more about typesetting than you
or I will ever learn. Concentrate on the content and structure of your
document. Save any tweaking for the final output - there's usually a few
things that need to be manually adjusted by judicious addition of white
space. Leave the heavy lifting to TeX. This was my biggest hurdle at the
beginning.




 For those reading this, that may be interested in the commercial program
 I'm trying now, it's called Scrivener.  Print output I want will probably
 not be possible, but I really like it's ability to keep research info with
 different file formats withing the Scrivener program itself.  So I need
 only one program running rather than a number of programs.


I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project
management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for
everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good luck
with it.



  Something good did come out of this. In searching for information about
 moderncv, I chanced upon this site:

 http://www.latextemplates.com


 Looks very interesting, I've bookmarked it.  Thanks.


You're welcome.

-- Rich



 snip remaining text

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more
helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech support
at small vendors. And they actually read my emails, instead of replying
with canned responses.

My experience with LyX has been mostly excellent. I started using it at
work a number of years ago because I need to produce some technical manuals
quickly. I wanted something that would not lose track of things in the
cross-references and TOC (as Word is wont to do as documents get longer and
more complex). LyX allowed me to get to work right away on content and
produced very professional output.

I've used the KOMA-script versions of report, article and book, and I've
also used the letter template that comes with LyX. Yesterday was the first
time I ever tried to use one of the examples that come with LyX.

With scant documentation, the only way to figure out how the example worked
was trial and error. I wanted to concentrate on getting the document done,
not futz around with the example.

Something good did come out of this. In searching for information about
moderncv, I chanced upon this site:

http://www.latextemplates.com

They have a template based on moderndv very similar to the example that
comes with LyX, but the TeX source file has complete and detailed comments.
So I switched to TeXShop and got good results right away. First time I've
had to do that.

I like the words of the Kiwi whose site it is:

I am by no means an expert on LaTeX, but I recognize that others are
similar to myself and only want to use LaTeX as a tool to create a
document, without having to dig around in forums for solutions on how to
tweak the document in some small way. There is no reason that LaTeX cannot
be a simple platform for creating documents where little more is required
than to change example text to your own text in a pre-configured template.
To this end, templates on this website have been carefully pulled apart,
cleaned up and made easier to use for the average person just starting to
use LaTeX.

-- Rich



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote:

 On 10/23/13 11:24 AM, David L. Johnson wrote:

 On 10/23/2013 12:33 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


 The program I filed the bugs with is one that wishes to take on a
 commercial program in the marketplace.  And they add new features,
 some of which are inevitable buggy.  But the attitude exhibited by not
 fixing existing bugs is very unprofessional.  If you are a business,
 with competition, you want tools that work, not tools you spend a lot
 of time finding work arounds.

 3.  When the new version comes out, and the developers have broken
 something, they say it's a regression.  Oh, BS!!  That's just
 political spin for not saying they screwed up and didn't catch it.  I
 would appreciate the pure honesty of admitting a mistake than
 political spin.

 4.  My impression is, for most open source software I've tried over a
 period of time, the quality assurance/testing program to look for and
 find bugs is seriously flawed.  Some bugs are blatant, and I ask
 myself, How did they miss that?


 I look at those complaints, and wonder that you don't see such issues,
 and worse, with commercial software as well.


 Invariably, there will be bugs in any sophisticated software.  The
 question that arises for me is, are they important to the developer?  I
 think, when the developers are being paid for their work, they are more
 attentive to fixing the bugs, as their next paycheck depends on it.

 These days, when I do suggest software, it's often a program that has both
 free and paid versions.  My theory is, that programs developers will be
 more attentive to bugs in the free version as the incentive is to get you
 to purchase the more sophisticated paid version.  I don't think very many
 people, when finding a lot of bugs in the free version, will opt to
 purchase the paid version.


  For me, the difference
 between commercial software and open-source is that, when you do have a
 problem, you have a chance, with open-source software, to actually ask
 for help from the person who wrote it.


 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I think smaller developers are easier to get
 in touch with.


  For example, this list is
 well-populated by the actual developers of LyX, who are very helpful.


 Which is what I'd read online, and why I'm going to try LyX.  Also,
 because it's a typesetting program.  And I want better output than the
 average word processor.


  Commercial support will connect you with a call center full of people
 reading from scripts.


 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I've found the smaller vendors to be much
 more helpful than the larger vendors.

 I have a file management program on this Mac, and when I found a problem,
 I ended up talking via email about the problem.  We finally figured out
 what triggered the problem, but I'm not checked for an update.


 --
 Ken

 Mac OS X 10.8.5
 Firefox 24.0
 Thunderbird 

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote:

 



 LyX looks to be rather out of the box from you basic office suite
 thinking, and I want to get that under control before getting into any
 tweaking.


As you get started with LyX resist the temptation to 'finger paint'. You
get some content in and get a preliminary output - at that point you'll
want to tweak the output because that's what you're used to with WYSIWYG
word processors like Word. Don't. TeX knows more about typesetting than you
or I will ever learn. Concentrate on the content and structure of your
document. Save any tweaking for the final output - there's usually a few
things that need to be manually adjusted by judicious addition of white
space. Leave the heavy lifting to TeX. This was my biggest hurdle at the
beginning.




 For those reading this, that may be interested in the commercial program
 I'm trying now, it's called Scrivener.  Print output I want will probably
 not be possible, but I really like it's ability to keep research info with
 different file formats withing the Scrivener program itself.  So I need
 only one program running rather than a number of programs.


I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project
management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for
everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good luck
with it.



  Something good did come out of this. In searching for information about
 moderncv, I chanced upon this site:

 http://www.latextemplates.com


 Looks very interesting, I've bookmarked it.  Thanks.


You're welcome.

-- Rich



 snip remaining text

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

Interesting comments. I too have found small vendors to be much more
helpful. Often the developers help with or even do all of the tech support
at small vendors. And they actually read my emails, instead of replying
with canned responses.

My experience with LyX has been mostly excellent. I started using it at
work a number of years ago because I need to produce some technical manuals
quickly. I wanted something that would not lose track of things in the
cross-references and TOC (as Word is wont to do as documents get longer and
more complex). LyX allowed me to get to work right away on content and
produced very professional output.

I've used the KOMA-script versions of report, article and book, and I've
also used the letter template that comes with LyX. Yesterday was the first
time I ever tried to use one of the examples that come with LyX.

With scant documentation, the only way to figure out how the example worked
was trial and error. I wanted to concentrate on getting the document done,
not futz around with the example.

Something good did come out of this. In searching for information about
moderncv, I chanced upon this site:

http://www.latextemplates.com

They have a template based on moderndv very similar to the example that
comes with LyX, but the TeX source file has complete and detailed comments.
So I switched to TeXShop and got good results right away. First time I've
had to do that.

I like the words of the Kiwi whose site it is:

"I am by no means an expert on LaTeX, but I recognize that others are
similar to myself and only want to use LaTeX as a tool to create a
document, without having to dig around in forums for solutions on how to
tweak the document in some small way. There is no reason that LaTeX cannot
be a simple platform for creating documents where little more is required
than to change example text to your own text in a pre-configured template.
To this end, templates on this website have been carefully pulled apart,
cleaned up and made easier to use for the average person just starting to
use LaTeX."

-- Rich



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Ken Springer  wrote:

> On 10/23/13 11:24 AM, David L. Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2013 12:33 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The program I filed the bugs with is one that wishes to take on a
>>> commercial program in the marketplace.  And they add new features,
>>> some of which are inevitable buggy.  But the attitude exhibited by not
>>> fixing existing bugs is very unprofessional.  If you are a business,
>>> with competition, you want tools that work, not tools you spend a lot
>>> of time finding work arounds.
>>>
>>> 3.  When the new version comes out, and the developers have broken
>>> something, they say it's a "regression".  Oh, BS!!  That's just
>>> political spin for not saying they screwed up and didn't catch it.  I
>>> would appreciate the pure honesty of admitting a mistake than
>>> political spin.
>>>
>>> 4.  My impression is, for most open source software I've tried over a
>>> period of time, the quality assurance/testing program to look for and
>>> find bugs is seriously flawed.  Some bugs are blatant, and I ask
>>> myself, "How did they miss that?"
>>>
>>
>> I look at those complaints, and wonder that you don't see such issues,
>> and worse, with commercial software as well.
>>
>
> Invariably, there will be bugs in any sophisticated software.  The
> question that arises for me is, are they important to the developer?  I
> think, when the developers are being paid for their work, they are more
> attentive to fixing the bugs, as their next paycheck depends on it.
>
> These days, when I do suggest software, it's often a program that has both
> free and paid versions.  My theory is, that programs developers will be
> more attentive to bugs in the free version as the incentive is to get you
> to purchase the more sophisticated paid version.  I don't think very many
> people, when finding a lot of bugs in the free version, will opt to
> purchase the paid version.
>
>
>  For me, the difference
>> between commercial software and open-source is that, when you do have a
>> problem, you have a chance, with open-source software, to actually ask
>> for help from the person who wrote it.
>>
>
> Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I think smaller developers are easier to get
> in touch with.
>
>
>  For example, this list is
>> well-populated by the actual developers of LyX, who are very helpful.
>>
>
> Which is what I'd read online, and why I'm going to try LyX.  Also,
> because it's a typesetting program.  And I want better output than the
> average word processor.
>
>
>  Commercial support will connect you with a call center full of people
>> reading from scripts.
>>
>
> Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I've found the smaller vendors to be much
> more helpful than the larger vendors.
>
> I have a file management program on this Mac, and when I found a problem,
> I ended up talking via email about the problem.  We finally 

Re: why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Ken Springer  wrote:

> 
>


> LyX looks to be rather out of the box from you basic office suite
> thinking, and I want to get that under control before getting into any
> tweaking.
>

As you get started with LyX resist the temptation to 'finger paint'. You
get some content in and get a preliminary output - at that point you'll
want to tweak the output because that's what you're used to with WYSIWYG
word processors like Word. Don't. TeX knows more about typesetting than you
or I will ever learn. Concentrate on the content and structure of your
document. Save any tweaking for the final output - there's usually a few
things that need to be manually adjusted by judicious addition of white
space. Leave the heavy lifting to TeX. This was my biggest hurdle at the
beginning.


>
>
> For those reading this, that may be interested in the commercial program
> I'm trying now, it's called Scrivener.  Print output I want will probably
> not be possible, but I really like it's ability to keep research info with
> different file formats withing the Scrivener program itself.  So I need
> only one program running rather than a number of programs.
>
>
I've read good things about Scrivener. It's more a 'book project
management' program than a word processor. I know some people use it for
everything until it's time to print, then they export to LaTeX. Good luck
with it.



>  Something good did come out of this. In searching for information about
>> moderncv, I chanced upon this site:
>>
>> http://www.latextemplates.com
>>
>
> Looks very interesting, I've bookmarked it.  Thanks.


You're welcome.

-- Rich



> 

why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

I originally picked up on LyX because I needed to produce some technical
manuals quickly that looked good to management and that didn't make me deal
with the WYSIWYG nightmares of Word and its ilk.

LyX really came through for me.

Now I'm helping a friend apply to graduate school. I used the KOMA-script
v. 2 letter class to typeset his letter of intent. Looks good!

Now on to the résumé. Let's see what's available. ModernCV looks good,
under development for seven years.

Except it won't accept last names much longer than the author's name
without hyphenation. Searching produces lot's of hacks to deal with this.

Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv
class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in the
preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation
of the LaTeX-package moderncv.'

Yeah, right. The README for moderncv is very short and includes this: 'Until
a decent manual is written, you can always look in the examples directory
for some examples. Documents can be compiled into dvi, ps or pdf.'

The example LyX file points to documentation that doesn't actually exist.
There is no 'more information'. Nothing is explained. Seven years of
development and there's nothing that Aunt Tillie can use.

I know what I'm going to hear, 'Do it yourself', 'That's how open source
works'. I agree. Perhaps I'll find the time to work on the documentation.
In the meantime, I need to produce a document NOW, not work on the
documentation for the tool to produce the document.

Lesson: Please don't point to ghost documentation. If you have the time to
produce something that you expect people to use, you need to make the time
to explain how to use it.

(Disclaimer: this doesn't apply to LyX itself, which is richly documented.
Just to accessories to LyX and to open source generally.)

-- Rich

why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

I originally picked up on LyX because I needed to produce some technical
manuals quickly that looked good to management and that didn't make me deal
with the WYSIWYG nightmares of Word and its ilk.

LyX really came through for me.

Now I'm helping a friend apply to graduate school. I used the KOMA-script
v. 2 letter class to typeset his letter of intent. Looks good!

Now on to the résumé. Let's see what's available. ModernCV looks good,
under development for seven years.

Except it won't accept last names much longer than the author's name
without hyphenation. Searching produces lot's of hacks to deal with this.

Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv
class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in the
preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation
of the LaTeX-package moderncv.'

Yeah, right. The README for moderncv is very short and includes this: 'Until
a decent manual is written, you can always look in the examples directory
for some examples. Documents can be compiled into dvi, ps or pdf.'

The example LyX file points to documentation that doesn't actually exist.
There is no 'more information'. Nothing is explained. Seven years of
development and there's nothing that Aunt Tillie can use.

I know what I'm going to hear, 'Do it yourself', 'That's how open source
works'. I agree. Perhaps I'll find the time to work on the documentation.
In the meantime, I need to produce a document NOW, not work on the
documentation for the tool to produce the document.

Lesson: Please don't point to ghost documentation. If you have the time to
produce something that you expect people to use, you need to make the time
to explain how to use it.

(Disclaimer: this doesn't apply to LyX itself, which is richly documented.
Just to accessories to LyX and to open source generally.)

-- Rich

why people give up on open source software

[Richard Talley]

I originally picked up on LyX because I needed to produce some technical
manuals quickly that looked good to management and that didn't make me deal
with the WYSIWYG nightmares of Word and its ilk.

LyX really came through for me.

Now I'm helping a friend apply to graduate school. I used the KOMA-script
v. 2 letter class to typeset his letter of intent. Looks good!

Now on to the résumé. Let's see what's available. ModernCV looks good,
under development for seven years.

Except it won't accept last names much longer than the author's name
without hyphenation. Searching produces lot's of hacks to deal with this.

Run the example that comes with LyX. Note in example says, 'The moderncv
class offers lots of customization possibilities; some are explained in the
preamble of this document; for more information look at the documentation
of the LaTeX-package moderncv.'

Yeah, right. The README for moderncv is very short and includes this: 'Until
a decent manual is written, you can always look in the "examples" directory
for some examples. Documents can be compiled into dvi, ps or pdf.'

The example LyX file points to documentation that doesn't actually exist.
There is no 'more information'. Nothing is explained. Seven years of
development and there's nothing that Aunt Tillie can use.

I know what I'm going to hear, 'Do it yourself', 'That's how open source
works'. I agree. Perhaps I'll find the time to work on the documentation.
In the meantime, I need to produce a document NOW, not work on the
documentation for the tool to produce the document.

Lesson: Please don't point to ghost documentation. If you have the time to
produce something that you expect people to use, you need to make the time
to explain how to use it.

(Disclaimer: this doesn't apply to LyX itself, which is richly documented.
Just to accessories to LyX and to open source generally.)

-- Rich

Re: errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

Rather than further troubleshoot my issues with LyX on Snow Leopard, I
decided to wait until I could start fresh with Lion.

After some hardware repairs, I wiped the hard drive on my MacBook Pro and
installed Lion 10.7.4, MaxTeX-2012 (which I immediately updated with the
TeX Live Utility), LyX2.0.4+qt4, and Skim 1.3.21.

I ran LyX - Reconfigure, and then set LyX and Skim to sync with each other.

Now I can successfully typeset LyX documentation without error.

I want to thank everybody on this mailing list who tried to help me
troubleshoot; sometimes an OS simply has too much cruft from being ridden
and put up wet too many times, and it's simpler just to start over.

-- Rich

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  On 02/07/2012 11:35 AM, Rich Talley wrote:

 Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.

  I am going to create a small test document that only has a title and a
 couple of the problematic graphics files from the User's Manual, one eps
 and one pdf. Then I'll see what's in the LaTeX log when I try to typeset it
  get back to the list.

  You should also try typesetting it manually from the command line, in so
 far as that is possible.

 Richard


  -- Rich

 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jens Nöckel noec...@uoregon.edu wrote:


 On Feb 7, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Richard Heck wrote:

  On 02/07/2012 12:50 AM, Jens Nöckel wrote:
 
  I think this can only be solved if you save the user's guide to an
 external file, bisect that new file until you localize the error to a
 reasonably small portion of the file, and then inspect the LaTeX log.
 
  Did the OP reconfigure LyX after getting convert working?
 

  Good question. Rich -- that should definitely be the first thing to do!

 Jens

Re: errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

Rather than further troubleshoot my issues with LyX on Snow Leopard, I
decided to wait until I could start fresh with Lion.

After some hardware repairs, I wiped the hard drive on my MacBook Pro and
installed Lion 10.7.4, MaxTeX-2012 (which I immediately updated with the
TeX Live Utility), LyX2.0.4+qt4, and Skim 1.3.21.

I ran LyX - Reconfigure, and then set LyX and Skim to sync with each other.

Now I can successfully typeset LyX documentation without error.

I want to thank everybody on this mailing list who tried to help me
troubleshoot; sometimes an OS simply has too much cruft from being ridden
and put up wet too many times, and it's simpler just to start over.

-- Rich

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  On 02/07/2012 11:35 AM, Rich Talley wrote:

 Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.

  I am going to create a small test document that only has a title and a
 couple of the problematic graphics files from the User's Manual, one eps
 and one pdf. Then I'll see what's in the LaTeX log when I try to typeset it
  get back to the list.

  You should also try typesetting it manually from the command line, in so
 far as that is possible.

 Richard


  -- Rich

 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jens Nöckel noec...@uoregon.edu wrote:


 On Feb 7, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Richard Heck wrote:

  On 02/07/2012 12:50 AM, Jens Nöckel wrote:
 
  I think this can only be solved if you save the user's guide to an
 external file, bisect that new file until you localize the error to a
 reasonably small portion of the file, and then inspect the LaTeX log.
 
  Did the OP reconfigure LyX after getting convert working?
 

  Good question. Rich -- that should definitely be the first thing to do!

 Jens

Re: errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

Rather than further troubleshoot my issues with LyX on Snow Leopard, I
decided to wait until I could start fresh with Lion.

After some hardware repairs, I wiped the hard drive on my MacBook Pro and
installed Lion 10.7.4, MaxTeX-2012 (which I immediately updated with the
TeX Live Utility), LyX2.0.4+qt4, and Skim 1.3.21.

I ran LyX -> Reconfigure, and then set LyX and Skim to sync with each other.

Now I can successfully typeset LyX documentation without error.

I want to thank everybody on this mailing list who tried to help me
troubleshoot; sometimes an OS simply has too much cruft from being ridden
and put up wet too many times, and it's simpler just to start over.

-- Rich

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Richard Heck  wrote:

>  On 02/07/2012 11:35 AM, Rich Talley wrote:
>
> Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.
>
>  I am going to create a small test document that only has a title and a
> couple of the problematic graphics files from the User's Manual, one eps
> and one pdf. Then I'll see what's in the LaTeX log when I try to typeset it
> & get back to the list.
>
>  You should also try typesetting it manually from the command line, in so
> far as that is possible.
>
> Richard
>
>
>  -- Rich
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jens Nöckel  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Richard Heck wrote:
>>
>> > On 02/07/2012 12:50 AM, Jens Nöckel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think this can only be solved if you save the user's guide to an
>> external file, bisect that new file until you localize the error to a
>> reasonably small portion of the file, and then inspect the LaTeX log.
>> >>
>> > Did the OP reconfigure LyX after getting convert working?
>> >
>>
>>  Good question. Rich -- that should definitely be the first thing to do!
>>
>> Jens
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

So I found a problem with the 'convert' utility (part of ImageMagick 6.6.9)
that MacTex 2011 installs. The installation fails to install the necessary
xml files that 'convert' needs to function correctly at the command line.

Over at the macosx-tex mailing list, Dick Koch provided a link to the
necessary xml files with this comment:

We supply convert mainly for tex4html, thinking that users familiar with
the Unix version
will want to install the full ImageMagick. So the conversion you are using
was never tested.

So I got 'convert' working at the command line. Unfortunately, this turned
out to be a red herring. I still can't typeset LyX's user manual
from within LyX. Pdf and eps files (such as mobius.eps) still don't display
within LyX ('Error converting to loadable format') and
typesetting still fails.

I tried exporting the LyX user manual to LaTeX(plain) and typesetting the
resulting TeX file in TeXShop. That actually works,
except cross references break ('see section ??' in the resulting pdf). But
the pdf and eps files that are problematic in LyX typeset
in TeXShop.

What am I missing?

-- Rich


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:

 I had been running MacTex 2009 and Lyx 1.6.8. and using them extensively
 for technical documentation and homework assignments.

 I upgraded this morning to MacTex 2011 (using the Tex Live Utility to
 bring all the packages up to date) and Lyx 2.0.2.

 I tried to create a pdf of the UserGuide (located in
 /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/doc/ - opens as read only)

 Four eps files are generating 'Error converting to loadable format' in the
 LyX document. The LaTeX error dialog shows:

 Package pdftex.def Error: File
 `34_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_mobius.pdf}

 Using draft setting for this image.

 Try typing return to proceed.

 If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.



 - OR -


 Package pdftex.def Error: File
 `42_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_escher-lsd.pdf}}

 \hfill{}\subfloat[\label{f...



 So my system doesn't seem to be converting eps files correctly into pdfs
 for LyX to use. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? I've saved the
 complete LaTeX log, but it's huge and I'm not sure what's relevant.


 -- Rich

 MacBook Pro/OS X 10.6.8

Re: errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

So I found a problem with the 'convert' utility (part of ImageMagick 6.6.9)
that MacTex 2011 installs. The installation fails to install the necessary
xml files that 'convert' needs to function correctly at the command line.

Over at the macosx-tex mailing list, Dick Koch provided a link to the
necessary xml files with this comment:

We supply convert mainly for tex4html, thinking that users familiar with
the Unix version
will want to install the full ImageMagick. So the conversion you are using
was never tested.

So I got 'convert' working at the command line. Unfortunately, this turned
out to be a red herring. I still can't typeset LyX's user manual
from within LyX. Pdf and eps files (such as mobius.eps) still don't display
within LyX ('Error converting to loadable format') and
typesetting still fails.

I tried exporting the LyX user manual to LaTeX(plain) and typesetting the
resulting TeX file in TeXShop. That actually works,
except cross references break ('see section ??' in the resulting pdf). But
the pdf and eps files that are problematic in LyX typeset
in TeXShop.

What am I missing?

-- Rich


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:

 I had been running MacTex 2009 and Lyx 1.6.8. and using them extensively
 for technical documentation and homework assignments.

 I upgraded this morning to MacTex 2011 (using the Tex Live Utility to
 bring all the packages up to date) and Lyx 2.0.2.

 I tried to create a pdf of the UserGuide (located in
 /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/doc/ - opens as read only)

 Four eps files are generating 'Error converting to loadable format' in the
 LyX document. The LaTeX error dialog shows:

 Package pdftex.def Error: File
 `34_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_mobius.pdf}

 Using draft setting for this image.

 Try typing return to proceed.

 If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.



 - OR -


 Package pdftex.def Error: File
 `42_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_escher-lsd.pdf}}

 \hfill{}\subfloat[\label{f...



 So my system doesn't seem to be converting eps files correctly into pdfs
 for LyX to use. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? I've saved the
 complete LaTeX log, but it's huge and I'm not sure what's relevant.


 -- Rich

 MacBook Pro/OS X 10.6.8

Re: errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

So I found a problem with the 'convert' utility (part of ImageMagick 6.6.9)
that MacTex 2011 installs. The installation fails to install the necessary
xml files that 'convert' needs to function correctly at the command line.

Over at the macosx-tex mailing list, Dick Koch provided a link to the
necessary xml files with this comment:

"We supply convert mainly for tex4html, thinking that users familiar with
the Unix version
will want to install the full ImageMagick. So the conversion you are using
was never tested."

So I got 'convert' working at the command line. Unfortunately, this turned
out to be a red herring. I still can't typeset LyX's user manual
from within LyX. Pdf and eps files (such as mobius.eps) still don't display
within LyX ('Error converting to loadable format') and
typesetting still fails.

I tried exporting the LyX user manual to LaTeX(plain) and typesetting the
resulting TeX file in TeXShop. That actually works,
except cross references break ('see section ??' in the resulting pdf). But
the pdf and eps files that are problematic in LyX typeset
in TeXShop.

What am I missing?

-- Rich


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I had been running MacTex 2009 and Lyx 1.6.8. and using them extensively
> for technical documentation and homework assignments.
>
> I upgraded this morning to MacTex 2011 (using the Tex Live Utility to
> bring all the packages up to date) and Lyx 2.0.2.
>
> I tried to create a pdf of the UserGuide (located in
> /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/doc/ - opens as read only)
>
> Four eps files are generating 'Error converting to loadable format' in the
> LyX document. The LaTeX error dialog shows:
>
> Package pdftex.def Error: File
> `34_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_mobius.pdf}
>
> Using draft setting for this image.
>
> Try typing  to proceed.
>
> If that doesn't work, type X  to quit.
>
>
>
> - OR -
>
>
> Package pdftex.def Error: File
> `42_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_escher-lsd.pdf}}
>
> \hfill{}\subfloat[\label{f...
>
>
>
> So my system doesn't seem to be converting eps files correctly into pdfs
> for LyX to use. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? I've saved the
> complete LaTeX log, but it's huge and I'm not sure what's relevant.
>
>
> -- Rich
>
> MacBook Pro/OS X 10.6.8
>
>
>

errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

I had been running MacTex 2009 and Lyx 1.6.8. and using them extensively
for technical documentation and homework assignments.

I upgraded this morning to MacTex 2011 (using the Tex Live Utility to bring
all the packages up to date) and Lyx 2.0.2.

I tried to create a pdf of the UserGuide (located in
/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/doc/ - opens as read only)

Four eps files are generating 'Error converting to loadable format' in the
LyX document. The LaTeX error dialog shows:

Package pdftex.def Error: File
`34_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_mobius.pdf}

Using draft setting for this image.

Try typing return to proceed.

If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.



- OR -


Package pdftex.def Error: File
`42_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_escher-lsd.pdf}}

\hfill{}\subfloat[\label{f...



So my system doesn't seem to be converting eps files correctly into pdfs
for LyX to use. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? I've saved the
complete LaTeX log, but it's huge and I'm not sure what's relevant.


-- Rich

MacBook Pro/OS X 10.6.8

errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

I had been running MacTex 2009 and Lyx 1.6.8. and using them extensively
for technical documentation and homework assignments.

I upgraded this morning to MacTex 2011 (using the Tex Live Utility to bring
all the packages up to date) and Lyx 2.0.2.

I tried to create a pdf of the UserGuide (located in
/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/doc/ - opens as read only)

Four eps files are generating 'Error converting to loadable format' in the
LyX document. The LaTeX error dialog shows:

Package pdftex.def Error: File
`34_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_mobius.pdf}

Using draft setting for this image.

Try typing return to proceed.

If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.



- OR -


Package pdftex.def Error: File
`42_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_escher-lsd.pdf}}

\hfill{}\subfloat[\label{f...



So my system doesn't seem to be converting eps files correctly into pdfs
for LyX to use. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? I've saved the
complete LaTeX log, but it's huge and I'm not sure what's relevant.


-- Rich

MacBook Pro/OS X 10.6.8

errors typesetting UserGuide.lyx

[Richard Talley]

I had been running MacTex 2009 and Lyx 1.6.8. and using them extensively
for technical documentation and homework assignments.

I upgraded this morning to MacTex 2011 (using the Tex Live Utility to bring
all the packages up to date) and Lyx 2.0.2.

I tried to create a pdf of the UserGuide (located in
/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/doc/ - opens as read only)

Four eps files are generating 'Error converting to loadable format' in the
LyX document. The LaTeX error dialog shows:

Package pdftex.def Error: File
`34_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_mobius.pdf}

Using draft setting for this image.

Try typing  to proceed.

If that doesn't work, type X  to quit.



- OR -


Package pdftex.def Error: File
`42_Applications_LyX_app_Contents_Resources_doc_clipart_escher-lsd.pdf}}

\hfill{}\subfloat[\label{f...



So my system doesn't seem to be converting eps files correctly into pdfs
for LyX to use. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? I've saved the
complete LaTeX log, but it's huge and I'm not sure what's relevant.


-- Rich

MacBook Pro/OS X 10.6.8

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  +checking for package bera [bera]... yes

 This says it has found the bera fonts. So you should have access to
 them in Document  Settings  Fonts. (Are you sure you don't?)

 At this point, I'm baffled.

 BH


 Thanks for your help.

 I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just a
 symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
 matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
 Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get rid
 of it and start over.

 Your comments were still useful; I learned several things about trouble
 shooting my installation.

 -=- Rich


Well, there is nothing wrong with my TeX installation. I've been using
TeXShop to work directly in LaTeX and also to typeset LyX documents that I
have exported to LaTeX. All the fonts and utilities are available that are
supposed to be.

There were two things wrong with my LyX 1.6.5 installation, both easy to
correct once I understood what was going on.

Somehow these lines got into the preamble I've been using:

% set fonts for nicer pdf view

\IfFileExists{lmodern.sty}{\usepackage{lmodern}}{}

\fi % end if pdflatex is used


When I used pdflatex to typeset a document, these lines were substituting
Latin Modern for any fonts I was choosing in Lyx.


The second problem is that LyX was showing the Bera fonts as 'not
installed', even though they are and I can use them to typeset a document
(once I had figured out and corrected the first problem). For some reason,
LyX is not adding the correct information to the packages.lst file (which on
OS X is in ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-1.6/), even though the
configure.log file shows that the reconfigure procedure is correctly seeing
that the Bera fonts are installed and available. So I just added a line with
the word 'bera' to the packages.lst file and the 'not installed' message
went away.


-=- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  +checking for package bera [bera]... yes

 This says it has found the bera fonts. So you should have access to
 them in Document  Settings  Fonts. (Are you sure you don't?)

 At this point, I'm baffled.

 BH


 Thanks for your help.

 I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just a
 symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
 matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
 Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get rid
 of it and start over.

 Your comments were still useful; I learned several things about trouble
 shooting my installation.

 -=- Rich


Well, there is nothing wrong with my TeX installation. I've been using
TeXShop to work directly in LaTeX and also to typeset LyX documents that I
have exported to LaTeX. All the fonts and utilities are available that are
supposed to be.

There were two things wrong with my LyX 1.6.5 installation, both easy to
correct once I understood what was going on.

Somehow these lines got into the preamble I've been using:

% set fonts for nicer pdf view

\IfFileExists{lmodern.sty}{\usepackage{lmodern}}{}

\fi % end if pdflatex is used


When I used pdflatex to typeset a document, these lines were substituting
Latin Modern for any fonts I was choosing in Lyx.


The second problem is that LyX was showing the Bera fonts as 'not
installed', even though they are and I can use them to typeset a document
(once I had figured out and corrected the first problem). For some reason,
LyX is not adding the correct information to the packages.lst file (which on
OS X is in ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-1.6/), even though the
configure.log file shows that the reconfigure procedure is correctly seeing
that the Bera fonts are installed and available. So I just added a line with
the word 'bera' to the packages.lst file and the 'not installed' message
went away.


-=- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, BH <bewih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > +checking for package bera [bera]... yes
>>
>> This says it has found the bera fonts. So you should have access to
>> them in Document > Settings > Fonts. (Are you sure you don't?)
>>
>> At this point, I'm baffled.
>>
>> BH
>>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just a
> symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
> matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
> Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get rid
> of it and start over.
>
> Your comments were still useful; I learned several things about trouble
> shooting my installation.
>
> -=- Rich
>
>
Well, there is nothing wrong with my TeX installation. I've been using
TeXShop to work directly in LaTeX and also to typeset LyX documents that I
have exported to LaTeX. All the fonts and utilities are available that are
supposed to be.

There were two things wrong with my LyX 1.6.5 installation, both easy to
correct once I understood what was going on.

Somehow these lines got into the preamble I've been using:

% set fonts for nicer pdf view

\IfFileExists{lmodern.sty}{\usepackage{lmodern}}{}

\fi % end if pdflatex is used


When I used pdflatex to typeset a document, these lines were substituting
Latin Modern for any fonts I was choosing in Lyx.


The second problem is that LyX was showing the Bera fonts as 'not
installed', even though they are and I can use them to typeset a document
(once I had figured out and corrected the first problem). For some reason,
LyX is not adding the correct information to the packages.lst file (which on
OS X is in ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-1.6/), even though the
configure.log file shows that the reconfigure procedure is correctly seeing
that the Bera fonts are installed and available. So I just added a line with
the word 'bera' to the packages.lst file and the 'not installed' message
went away.


-=- Rich

when did stdtoolbars.ui change to stdtoolbars.inc ?

[Richard Talley]

I was looking at this wiki page:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserInterface

where there is this information:

The toolbars are defined in default.ui (up to LyX 1.3.7) or stdtoolbars.ui
(as of LyX 1.4.0).

However, in LyX 1.6.5 the toolbars are defined in stdtoolbars.inc - does
anybody know when this changed? (I'd like to bring some items on this wiki
page up to date.)

Thanks,

-=- Rich

when did stdtoolbars.ui change to stdtoolbars.inc ?

[Richard Talley]

I was looking at this wiki page:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserInterface

where there is this information:

The toolbars are defined in default.ui (up to LyX 1.3.7) or stdtoolbars.ui
(as of LyX 1.4.0).

However, in LyX 1.6.5 the toolbars are defined in stdtoolbars.inc - does
anybody know when this changed? (I'd like to bring some items on this wiki
page up to date.)

Thanks,

-=- Rich

when did stdtoolbars.ui change to stdtoolbars.inc ?

[Richard Talley]

I was looking at this wiki page:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserInterface

where there is this information:

"The toolbars are defined in default.ui (up to LyX 1.3.7) or stdtoolbars.ui
(as of LyX 1.4.0)."

However, in LyX 1.6.5 the toolbars are defined in stdtoolbars.inc - does
anybody know when this changed? (I'd like to bring some items on this wiki
page up to date.)

Thanks,

-=- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com wrote:

 On 18 mar 2010, at 00.33, Richard Talley wrote:

  Thanks for your help.
 
  I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just
 a
  symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
  matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
  Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get
 rid
  of it and start over.
 ...

 I guess you already tried sudo texhash from the terminal?

 /Anders


Strictly speaking I shouldn't have to, as both the MacTeX installer and the
update utility do so. However, I did run it manually, just in case.

-=- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com wrote:

 On 18 mar 2010, at 00.33, Richard Talley wrote:

  Thanks for your help.
 
  I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just
 a
  symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
  matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
  Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get
 rid
  of it and start over.
 ...

 I guess you already tried sudo texhash from the terminal?

 /Anders


Strictly speaking I shouldn't have to, as both the MacTeX installer and the
update utility do so. However, I did run it manually, just in case.

-=- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Anders Ekberg <a...@mac.com> wrote:

> On 18 mar 2010, at 00.33, Richard Talley wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just
> a
> > symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
> > matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
> > Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get
> rid
> > of it and start over.
> ...
>
> I guess you already tried sudo texhash from the terminal?
>
> /Anders
>

Strictly speaking I shouldn't have to, as both the MacTeX installer and the
update utility do so. However, I did run it manually, just in case.

-=- Rich

LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

I had been running LyX 1.6.3 with MacTeX 2008 under OS X 10.5.x and created
a number of documents using the three Bera fonts.

Recently, I downloaded, installed and updated MacTeX 2009. I also grabbed
the MacTeXtras; it came with LyX 1.6.5 so I installed that also.

Now LyX doesn't see that the Bera fonts are available (they show as 'not
installed' in Documents - Settings - Fonts). If I switch back to MacTeX
2008 (which I have not uninstalled but would like too) and reconfigure LyX,
these fonts still show as not installed.

MacTeX 2008 and 2009 most definitely do come with the Bera fonts installed;
all the correct files appear to be there.

I really need to convince LyX 1.6.5 that these fonts are indeed installed
and available, as I need to re-edit some documents and have them print using
the same standards that I was already using for this series of documents.
(And yes, I did re-run 'sudo texhash', just in case, and ran the
LyX-installer that comes on the LyX-1.6.5-Mac-Universal.dmg.)

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't yet downgraded to LyX 1.6.3;
I guess that might be my next step in troubleshooting.

Thanks,

-- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.  -=- Rich

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I had been running LyX 1.6.3 with MacTeX 2008 under OS X 10.5.x and
 created
  a number of documents using the three Bera fonts.
 
  Recently, I downloaded, installed and updated MacTeX 2009. I also grabbed
  the MacTeXtras; it came with LyX 1.6.5 so I installed that also.
 
  Now LyX doesn't see that the Bera fonts are available (they show as 'not
  installed' in Documents - Settings - Fonts). If I switch back to MacTeX
  2008 (which I have not uninstalled but would like too) and reconfigure
 LyX,
  these fonts still show as not installed.
 
  MacTeX 2008 and 2009 most definitely do come with the Bera fonts
 installed;
  all the correct files appear to be there.
 
  I really need to convince LyX 1.6.5 that these fonts are indeed installed
  and available, as I need to re-edit some documents and have them print
 using
  the same standards that I was already using for this series of documents.
  (And yes, I did re-run 'sudo texhash', just in case, and ran the
  LyX-installer that comes on the LyX-1.6.5-Mac-Universal.dmg.)
 
  Any suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't yet downgraded to LyX
 1.6.3;
  I guess that might be my next step in troubleshooting.

 Have you tried reconfiguring LyX? (LyX  Reconfigure) I have MacTeX
 2009, and the Bera fonts are properly recognized by LyX.

 BH

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:18 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.  -=- Rich

 1. What is your PATH Prefix? (LyX  Preferences  Paths  PATH Prefix)


/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin




 2. From within Terminal.app, try:

 kpsewhich bera.sty

 Does it return the path to your installation of bera? (If not, then
 it's a MacTeX issue.)


Yes, it returns this:

/usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bera/bera.sty



 3. Again in Terminal.app, try:

 /path/to/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/configure.py

 (substituting the appropriate thing for /path/to -- the default
 would be /Applications). Paste the output into an e-mail to the
 list.

 BH


Here's the output (same thing as appears in ~/Library/Application
Support/LyX-1.6/configure.log when I run LyX - Reconfigure).

checking for a Latex2e program...
+checking for latex...   yes
checking for a DVI postprocessing program...
+checking for pplatex...   no
checking for pLaTeX, the Japanese LaTeX...
+checking for platex...   no
checking for a Tgif viewer and editor...
+checking for tgif...   no
checking for a FIG viewer and editor...
+checking for xfig...   no
+checking for jfig3-itext.jar...   no
+checking for jfig3.jar...   no
checking for a Dia viewer and editor...
+checking for dia...   no
checking for a Grace viewer and editor...
+checking for xmgrace...   no
checking for a FEN viewer and editor...
+checking for xboard...   no
checking for a raster image viewer...
+checking for xv...   no
+checking for kview...   no
+checking for gimp-remote...   no
+checking for gimp...   no
checking for a raster image editor...
+checking for gimp-remote...   no
+checking for gimp...   no
checking for a text editor...
+checking for sensible-editor...   no
+checking for xemacs...   no
+checking for gvim...   no
+checking for kedit...   no
+checking for kwrite...   no
+checking for kate...   no
+checking for nedit...   no
+checking for gedit...   no
+checking for notepad...   no
checking for a BibTeX editor...
+checking for sensible-editor...   no
+checking for jabref...   no
+checking for JabRef...   no
+checking for pybliographic...   no
+checking for bibdesk...   no
+checking for gbib...   no
+checking for kbib...   no
+checking for kbibtex...   no
+checking for sixpack...   no
+checking for bibedit...   no
+checking for tkbibtexxemacs...   no
+checking for gvim...   no
+checking for kedit...   no
+checking for kwrite...   no
+checking for kate...   no
+checking for nedit...   no
+checking for gedit...   no
+checking for notepad...   no
checking for a Postscript previewer...
+checking for kghostview...   no
+checking for okular...   no
+checking for evince...   no
+checking for gv...   no
+checking for ghostview...   no
checking for a PDF previewer...
+checking for kpdf...   no
+checking for okular...   no
+checking for evince...   no
+checking for kghostview...   no
+checking for xpdf...   no
+checking for acrobat...   no
+checking for acroread...   no
+checking for gv...   no
+checking for ghostview...   no
checking for a DVI previewer...
+checking for xdvi...   yes
checking for an HTML previewer...
+checking for firefox...   no
+checking for mozilla...   no
+checking for netscape...   no
checking for Noteedit...
+checking for noteedit...   no
checking for an OpenDocument viewer...
+checking for swriter...   no
+checking for oowriter...   no
checking for the pdflatex program...
+checking for pdflatex...   yes
checking for a LaTeX/Noweb - LyX converter...
+checking for tex2lyx...   no
+checking for tex2lyx...   no
checking for a Noweb - LaTeX converter...
+checking for noweave...   no
checking for an HTML - LaTeX converter...
+checking for html2latex...   no
+checking for gnuhtml2latex...   no
+checking for htmltolatex...   no
+checking for java...   yes
checking for an MS Word - LaTeX converter...
+checking for wvCleanLatex...   no
checking for elyxer module...
no
checking for a LyX - HTML converter...
+checking for elyxer.py...   no
+checking for elyxer...   no
checking for a LaTeX - HTML converter...
+checking for htlatex...   yes
checking for a LaTeX - MS Word converter...
+checking for htlatex...   yes
checking for an OpenOffice.org - LaTeX converter...
+checking for w2l...   no
checking for an OpenDocument - LaTeX converter...
+checking for w2l...   no
checking for a LaTeX - Open Document converter...
+checking for oolatex...   no
+checking for mk4ht...   yes
checking for a LaTeX - RTF converter...
+checking for latex2rtf...   no
+checking for latex2rt...   no
checking for a RTF - HTML converter...
+checking for unrtf...   no
checking for a PS to PDF converter...
+checking

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  +checking for package bera [bera]... yes

 This says it has found the bera fonts. So you should have access to
 them in Document  Settings  Fonts. (Are you sure you don't?)

 At this point, I'm baffled.

 BH


Thanks for your help.

I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just a
symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get rid
of it and start over.

Your comments were still useful; I learned several things about trouble
shooting my installation.

-=- Rich

LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

I had been running LyX 1.6.3 with MacTeX 2008 under OS X 10.5.x and created
a number of documents using the three Bera fonts.

Recently, I downloaded, installed and updated MacTeX 2009. I also grabbed
the MacTeXtras; it came with LyX 1.6.5 so I installed that also.

Now LyX doesn't see that the Bera fonts are available (they show as 'not
installed' in Documents - Settings - Fonts). If I switch back to MacTeX
2008 (which I have not uninstalled but would like too) and reconfigure LyX,
these fonts still show as not installed.

MacTeX 2008 and 2009 most definitely do come with the Bera fonts installed;
all the correct files appear to be there.

I really need to convince LyX 1.6.5 that these fonts are indeed installed
and available, as I need to re-edit some documents and have them print using
the same standards that I was already using for this series of documents.
(And yes, I did re-run 'sudo texhash', just in case, and ran the
LyX-installer that comes on the LyX-1.6.5-Mac-Universal.dmg.)

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't yet downgraded to LyX 1.6.3;
I guess that might be my next step in troubleshooting.

Thanks,

-- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.  -=- Rich

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I had been running LyX 1.6.3 with MacTeX 2008 under OS X 10.5.x and
 created
  a number of documents using the three Bera fonts.
 
  Recently, I downloaded, installed and updated MacTeX 2009. I also grabbed
  the MacTeXtras; it came with LyX 1.6.5 so I installed that also.
 
  Now LyX doesn't see that the Bera fonts are available (they show as 'not
  installed' in Documents - Settings - Fonts). If I switch back to MacTeX
  2008 (which I have not uninstalled but would like too) and reconfigure
 LyX,
  these fonts still show as not installed.
 
  MacTeX 2008 and 2009 most definitely do come with the Bera fonts
 installed;
  all the correct files appear to be there.
 
  I really need to convince LyX 1.6.5 that these fonts are indeed installed
  and available, as I need to re-edit some documents and have them print
 using
  the same standards that I was already using for this series of documents.
  (And yes, I did re-run 'sudo texhash', just in case, and ran the
  LyX-installer that comes on the LyX-1.6.5-Mac-Universal.dmg.)
 
  Any suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't yet downgraded to LyX
 1.6.3;
  I guess that might be my next step in troubleshooting.

 Have you tried reconfiguring LyX? (LyX  Reconfigure) I have MacTeX
 2009, and the Bera fonts are properly recognized by LyX.

 BH

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:18 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.  -=- Rich

 1. What is your PATH Prefix? (LyX  Preferences  Paths  PATH Prefix)


/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin




 2. From within Terminal.app, try:

 kpsewhich bera.sty

 Does it return the path to your installation of bera? (If not, then
 it's a MacTeX issue.)


Yes, it returns this:

/usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bera/bera.sty



 3. Again in Terminal.app, try:

 /path/to/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/configure.py

 (substituting the appropriate thing for /path/to -- the default
 would be /Applications). Paste the output into an e-mail to the
 list.

 BH


Here's the output (same thing as appears in ~/Library/Application
Support/LyX-1.6/configure.log when I run LyX - Reconfigure).

checking for a Latex2e program...
+checking for latex...   yes
checking for a DVI postprocessing program...
+checking for pplatex...   no
checking for pLaTeX, the Japanese LaTeX...
+checking for platex...   no
checking for a Tgif viewer and editor...
+checking for tgif...   no
checking for a FIG viewer and editor...
+checking for xfig...   no
+checking for jfig3-itext.jar...   no
+checking for jfig3.jar...   no
checking for a Dia viewer and editor...
+checking for dia...   no
checking for a Grace viewer and editor...
+checking for xmgrace...   no
checking for a FEN viewer and editor...
+checking for xboard...   no
checking for a raster image viewer...
+checking for xv...   no
+checking for kview...   no
+checking for gimp-remote...   no
+checking for gimp...   no
checking for a raster image editor...
+checking for gimp-remote...   no
+checking for gimp...   no
checking for a text editor...
+checking for sensible-editor...   no
+checking for xemacs...   no
+checking for gvim...   no
+checking for kedit...   no
+checking for kwrite...   no
+checking for kate...   no
+checking for nedit...   no
+checking for gedit...   no
+checking for notepad...   no
checking for a BibTeX editor...
+checking for sensible-editor...   no
+checking for jabref...   no
+checking for JabRef...   no
+checking for pybliographic...   no
+checking for bibdesk...   no
+checking for gbib...   no
+checking for kbib...   no
+checking for kbibtex...   no
+checking for sixpack...   no
+checking for bibedit...   no
+checking for tkbibtexxemacs...   no
+checking for gvim...   no
+checking for kedit...   no
+checking for kwrite...   no
+checking for kate...   no
+checking for nedit...   no
+checking for gedit...   no
+checking for notepad...   no
checking for a Postscript previewer...
+checking for kghostview...   no
+checking for okular...   no
+checking for evince...   no
+checking for gv...   no
+checking for ghostview...   no
checking for a PDF previewer...
+checking for kpdf...   no
+checking for okular...   no
+checking for evince...   no
+checking for kghostview...   no
+checking for xpdf...   no
+checking for acrobat...   no
+checking for acroread...   no
+checking for gv...   no
+checking for ghostview...   no
checking for a DVI previewer...
+checking for xdvi...   yes
checking for an HTML previewer...
+checking for firefox...   no
+checking for mozilla...   no
+checking for netscape...   no
checking for Noteedit...
+checking for noteedit...   no
checking for an OpenDocument viewer...
+checking for swriter...   no
+checking for oowriter...   no
checking for the pdflatex program...
+checking for pdflatex...   yes
checking for a LaTeX/Noweb - LyX converter...
+checking for tex2lyx...   no
+checking for tex2lyx...   no
checking for a Noweb - LaTeX converter...
+checking for noweave...   no
checking for an HTML - LaTeX converter...
+checking for html2latex...   no
+checking for gnuhtml2latex...   no
+checking for htmltolatex...   no
+checking for java...   yes
checking for an MS Word - LaTeX converter...
+checking for wvCleanLatex...   no
checking for elyxer module...
no
checking for a LyX - HTML converter...
+checking for elyxer.py...   no
+checking for elyxer...   no
checking for a LaTeX - HTML converter...
+checking for htlatex...   yes
checking for a LaTeX - MS Word converter...
+checking for htlatex...   yes
checking for an OpenOffice.org - LaTeX converter...
+checking for w2l...   no
checking for an OpenDocument - LaTeX converter...
+checking for w2l...   no
checking for a LaTeX - Open Document converter...
+checking for oolatex...   no
+checking for mk4ht...   yes
checking for a LaTeX - RTF converter...
+checking for latex2rtf...   no
+checking for latex2rt...   no
checking for a RTF - HTML converter...
+checking for unrtf...   no
checking for a PS to PDF converter...
+checking

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, BH bewih...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Richard Talley rich.tal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  +checking for package bera [bera]... yes

 This says it has found the bera fonts. So you should have access to
 them in Document  Settings  Fonts. (Are you sure you don't?)

 At this point, I'm baffled.

 BH


Thanks for your help.

I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just a
symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get rid
of it and start over.

Your comments were still useful; I learned several things about trouble
shooting my installation.

-=- Rich

LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

I had been running LyX 1.6.3 with MacTeX 2008 under OS X 10.5.x and created
a number of documents using the three Bera fonts.

Recently, I downloaded, installed and updated MacTeX 2009. I also grabbed
the MacTeXtras; it came with LyX 1.6.5 so I installed that also.

Now LyX doesn't see that the Bera fonts are available (they show as 'not
installed' in Documents -> Settings -> Fonts). If I switch back to MacTeX
2008 (which I have not uninstalled but would like too) and reconfigure LyX,
these fonts still show as not installed.

MacTeX 2008 and 2009 most definitely do come with the Bera fonts installed;
all the correct files appear to be there.

I really need to convince LyX 1.6.5 that these fonts are indeed installed
and available, as I need to re-edit some documents and have them print using
the same standards that I was already using for this series of documents.
(And yes, I did re-run 'sudo texhash', just in case, and ran the
LyX-installer that comes on the LyX-1.6.5-Mac-Universal.dmg.)

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't yet downgraded to LyX 1.6.3;
I guess that might be my next step in troubleshooting.

Thanks,

-- Rich

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.  -=- Rich

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, BH <bewih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I had been running LyX 1.6.3 with MacTeX 2008 under OS X 10.5.x and
> created
> > a number of documents using the three Bera fonts.
> >
> > Recently, I downloaded, installed and updated MacTeX 2009. I also grabbed
> > the MacTeXtras; it came with LyX 1.6.5 so I installed that also.
> >
> > Now LyX doesn't see that the Bera fonts are available (they show as 'not
> > installed' in Documents -> Settings -> Fonts). If I switch back to MacTeX
> > 2008 (which I have not uninstalled but would like too) and reconfigure
> LyX,
> > these fonts still show as not installed.
> >
> > MacTeX 2008 and 2009 most definitely do come with the Bera fonts
> installed;
> > all the correct files appear to be there.
> >
> > I really need to convince LyX 1.6.5 that these fonts are indeed installed
> > and available, as I need to re-edit some documents and have them print
> using
> > the same standards that I was already using for this series of documents.
> > (And yes, I did re-run 'sudo texhash', just in case, and ran the
> > LyX-installer that comes on the LyX-1.6.5-Mac-Universal.dmg.)
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't yet downgraded to LyX
> 1.6.3;
> > I guess that might be my next step in troubleshooting.
>
> Have you tried reconfiguring LyX? (LyX > Reconfigure) I have MacTeX
> 2009, and the Bera fonts are properly recognized by LyX.
>
> BH
>

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:18 PM, BH <bewih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes, I did reconfigure LyX.  -=- Rich
>
> 1. What is your PATH Prefix? (LyX > Preferences > Paths > PATH Prefix)
>

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin



>
> 2. From within Terminal.app, try:
>
> kpsewhich bera.sty
>
> Does it return the path to your installation of bera? (If not, then
> it's a MacTeX issue.)
>

Yes, it returns this:

/usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bera/bera.sty


>
> 3. Again in Terminal.app, try:
>
> /path/to/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/configure.py
>
> (substituting the appropriate thing for "/path/to" -- the default
> would be "/Applications"). Paste the output into an e-mail to the
> list.
>
> BH
>

Here's the output (same thing as appears in ~/Library/Application
Support/LyX-1.6/configure.log when I run LyX -> Reconfigure).

checking for a Latex2e program...
+checking for "latex"...   yes
checking for a DVI postprocessing program...
+checking for "pplatex"...   no
checking for pLaTeX, the Japanese LaTeX...
+checking for "platex"...   no
checking for a Tgif viewer and editor...
+checking for "tgif"...   no
checking for a FIG viewer and editor...
+checking for "xfig"...   no
+checking for "jfig3-itext.jar"...   no
+checking for "jfig3.jar"...   no
checking for a Dia viewer and editor...
+checking for "dia"...   no
checking for a Grace viewer and editor...
+checking for "xmgrace"...   no
checking for a FEN viewer and editor...
+checking for "xboard"...   no
checking for a raster image viewer...
+checking for "xv"...   no
+checking for "kview"...   no
+checking for "gimp-remote"...   no
+checking for "gimp"...   no
checking for a raster image editor...
+checking for "gimp-remote"...   no
+checking for "gimp"...   no
checking for a text editor...
+checking for "sensible-editor"...   no
+checking for "xemacs"...   no
+checking for "gvim"...   no
+checking for "kedit"...   no
+checking for "kwrite"...   no
+checking for "kate"...   no
+checking for "nedit"...   no
+checking for "gedit"...   no
+checking for "notepad"...   no
checking for a BibTeX editor...
+checking for "sensible-editor"...   no
+checking for "jabref"...   no
+checking for "JabRef"...   no
+checking for "pybliographic"...   no
+checking for "bibdesk"...   no
+checking for "gbib"...   no
+checking for "kbib"...   no
+checking for "kbibtex"...   no
+checking for "sixpack"...   no
+checking for "bibedit"...   no
+checking for "tkbibtexxemacs"...   no
+checking for "gvim"...   no
+checking for "kedit"...   no
+checking for "kwrite"...   no
+checking for "kate"...   no
+checking for "nedit"...   no
+checking for "gedit"...   no
+checking for "notepad"...   no
checking for a Postscript previewer...
+checking for "kghostview"...   no
+checking for "okular"...   no
+checking for "evince"...   no
+checking for "gv"...   no
+checking for "ghostview"...   no
checking for a PDF previewer...
+checking for "kpdf"...   no
+checking for "okular"...   no
+checking for "evince"...   no
+checking for "kghostview"...   no
+checking for "xpdf"...   no
+checking for "acrobat"...   no
+checking for "acroread"...   no
+checking for "gv"...   no
+checking for "ghostview"...   no
checking for a DVI previewer...
+checking for "xdvi"...   yes
checking for an HTML previewer...
+checking for "firefox"...   no
+checking for "mozilla"...   no
+checking for "netscape"...   no
checking for Noteedit...
+checking for "noteedit"...   no
checking for an OpenDocument viewer...
+checking for "swriter"...   no
+checking for "oowriter"...   no
checking for the pdflatex program...
+checking for "pdflatex"...   yes
checking for a LaTeX/Noweb -> LyX converter...
+checking for "tex2lyx"...   no
+checking for "tex2lyx"...   no
checking for a Noweb -> LaTeX converter...
+checking for "noweave"...   no
checking for an HTML -> LaTeX

Re: LyX 1.6.5 claims Bera fonts not installed

[Richard Talley]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, BH <bewih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Richard Talley <rich.tal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > +checking for package bera [bera]... yes
>
> This says it has found the bera fonts. So you should have access to
> them in Document > Settings > Fonts. (Are you sure you don't?)
>
> At this point, I'm baffled.
>
> BH
>

Thanks for your help.

I think that the indication that the Bera fonts are not installed is just a
symptom of a deeper problem; I appear to have lost all font control. No
matter what fonts I choose, I get a pdf that has the default LaTeX fonts.
Something is badly screwed up in my TeX installation; I'm going to get rid
of it and start over.

Your comments were still useful; I learned several things about trouble
shooting my installation.

-=- Rich

Re: How many use Linux:

[Richard Talley]

I use LyX on OS X.
However, I was able to get it added to 350 university lab PCs (Windows) that
already had LaTeX on them due to a departmental request.

Now any time I get asked, How did you make that pdf? or You don't use
Word? What do you use?, I can say, Let me show you something
interesting.

Besides, it really doesn't matter what fraction of LyX users are using this
or that platform. What matters is what fraction of the techies, those people
that others turn to for advice. More and more these people use Linux or OS
X. Only the hard-core gamers continue to cling to Windows. (And those people
who have to use a Windows-only program for professional reasons. They're not
clinging to Windows but stuck with it.)

My mantra these days is Do you value your time and security? Then leave
Windows behind. Let me tell you about the alternatives...

-- Rich


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Ehud Kaplan ehud.kap...@mssm.edu wrote:

 I use it on Kubuntu 9.04 and on Windows XP.  I also got several (~5) people
 working with me to use it on Windows and a Mac.
 EK


 Luca De Marini wrote:

 I use it on Linux mainly and on MacOSX some times.

 2009/9/11 curtis osterhoudt flutz...@yahoo.com



 I also use it predominantly on Linux, but occasionally use it on Windows,
 too. Have used LyX since, about, oh, 2000, for letters, articles, notes,
 and
 a dissertation.

  /
 Down with categorical imperative!
 flutz...@yahoo.com
 /




 
 From: Ralph Boland rpbol...@gmail.com
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:17:25 PM
 Subject: Re: How many use Linux:



 I've always assumed that fraction was about 4/5 but never examined that
 assumption. Does anyone know the percentages of LyX users on:

 Linux
 Windows
 Mac
 BSD
 Other

 Just to start the ball rolling, I've always used LyX on Linux (since


 2001) and


 am currently using it on Ubuntu 9.0.4.


 I've used Lyx on Linux since 1999.  Wrote a thesis, a few papers, and
 numerous
 resumes and cover letters.


 Ralph Boland

 --
 When a woman becomes sexually aroused the necessary blood flows from her
 heart.
 When a man becomes sexually aroused, the necessary blood is removed
 from his brain.

Re: How many use Linux:

[Richard Talley]

I use LyX on OS X.
However, I was able to get it added to 350 university lab PCs (Windows) that
already had LaTeX on them due to a departmental request.

Now any time I get asked, How did you make that pdf? or You don't use
Word? What do you use?, I can say, Let me show you something
interesting.

Besides, it really doesn't matter what fraction of LyX users are using this
or that platform. What matters is what fraction of the techies, those people
that others turn to for advice. More and more these people use Linux or OS
X. Only the hard-core gamers continue to cling to Windows. (And those people
who have to use a Windows-only program for professional reasons. They're not
clinging to Windows but stuck with it.)

My mantra these days is Do you value your time and security? Then leave
Windows behind. Let me tell you about the alternatives...

-- Rich


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Ehud Kaplan ehud.kap...@mssm.edu wrote:

 I use it on Kubuntu 9.04 and on Windows XP.  I also got several (~5) people
 working with me to use it on Windows and a Mac.
 EK


 Luca De Marini wrote:

 I use it on Linux mainly and on MacOSX some times.

 2009/9/11 curtis osterhoudt flutz...@yahoo.com



 I also use it predominantly on Linux, but occasionally use it on Windows,
 too. Have used LyX since, about, oh, 2000, for letters, articles, notes,
 and
 a dissertation.

  /
 Down with categorical imperative!
 flutz...@yahoo.com
 /




 
 From: Ralph Boland rpbol...@gmail.com
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:17:25 PM
 Subject: Re: How many use Linux:



 I've always assumed that fraction was about 4/5 but never examined that
 assumption. Does anyone know the percentages of LyX users on:

 Linux
 Windows
 Mac
 BSD
 Other

 Just to start the ball rolling, I've always used LyX on Linux (since


 2001) and


 am currently using it on Ubuntu 9.0.4.


 I've used Lyx on Linux since 1999.  Wrote a thesis, a few papers, and
 numerous
 resumes and cover letters.


 Ralph Boland

 --
 When a woman becomes sexually aroused the necessary blood flows from her
 heart.
 When a man becomes sexually aroused, the necessary blood is removed
 from his brain.