because I have
corrupted fonts on Mac OS 9. YES, I AM UPSET ABOUT IT. Ahem. Regardless,
is there any reason I should choose HFS+ over UFS, or vice versa? Is there
a document somewhere that discusses this?
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At 09:54 -0500 2001.04.09, Ken Williams wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Nandor) wrote:
>>I would test it, but apparently Mac OS X won't boot for me because I have
>>corrupted fonts on Mac OS 9. YES, I AM UPSET ABOUT IT. Ahem.
>
>To help isolate the problem, you could
x script to Mac OS (Classic) format when run on
Mac OS 9, and vice versa when run on Unix (or Mac OS X). :-)
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t be used on
filesystems with that limitation.
Did you unpack the distribution under Mac OS 9.1? That would certainly
explain the missing files. It might also explain other problems if you
have them; chances are when expanding under Mac OS 9.1, you are messing up
the file newline
At 20:04 -0700 2001.04.10, John W Baxter wrote:
>At 10:08 -0400 4/9/01, Chris Nandor wrote:
>>Well, there are filename length problems; does Mac OS X with HFS+ have the
>>31-char limit?
>
>HFS+ itself has never had the 31 character limit. Some of the supporting
>cast ha
lled. But I suppose that is asking for "too much."
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y prompted for it. This variable should always
be used in your makefiles for maximum portability.
Essentially, if LWP is using installbin as the location, then that is the
Right Thing. These should be /usr/local/bin/.
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mine :-)
to find all these little differences and check to make sure they are
properly addressed in the doc.
I am not talking about building/configuring things, though; that is
primarily for README.macosx or hints/macosx.sh or hints/darwin.sh or
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or 15 years and have grown to love. Can't figure out how to configure it?
Then don't! Want docs on the various changes we made to the core, to
NetInfo, etc.? Good luck!
Steve Jobs and Apple as a whole do not care about us, unfortunately.
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who don't need to do this kind of thing.
>Apple in OS X. For what it's worth, any NeXT docs you find on NetInfo
>are still pretty accurate.
Yeah, I kinda figured they would be. If I need to go further, this would
be the direction I would go.
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>perl/cgi applications.
Maybe one with not just an awesome GUI, but one that actually works well?
And a Unix that Works As I Expect? (Yes, I can change my expectations, but
I cannot fix the GUI.)
OK, I'll shut up now, I am just in the mood to vent. :-) Sticking with
Mac
At 12:44 -0500 2001.04.23, Bill Stephenson wrote:
>on 4/23/01 11:31 AM, Chris Nandor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Maybe one with not just an awesome GUI, but one that actually works well?
>> And a Unix that Works As I Expect? (Yes, I can change my expectations, but
>&
ill do my darndest to release MacPerl 5.6.x and MacPerl 5.8.x, as
applicable. After that, we are past the forseeable future, but
nevertheless, if I am not still working on it, it should be relatively
simple for someone else to build new versions.
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>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:34:42 -0500
>From: Jarkko Hietaniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: perl 5.7.1+ fine(ish) on mac os x (please fwd)
>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Public service announcement: the development branch of Perl now
>builds [1] out of the box in Mac OS X,
At 10:07 + 2001.04.26, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Chris Nandor wrote:
>
>> >Public service announcement: the development branch of Perl now
>> >builds [1] out of the box in Mac OS X, with just Configure -de.
>
>Erm, except doing -d
on 2001/06/11 12:30:06
>Log: Add final commas to lists as suggested by Philip Newton.
> Branch: perl
> ! lib/ExtUtils/Constant.pm t/lib/extutils.t
>
>[ 10512] By: jhi on 20
retty arbitrary, as it can
be changed after the build, and it really only affects N and V packs.
However, I should also add that on MacPerl, I get the same result as above.
I also know that Macs are big-endian. So my guess is that the output does
not indicate what someone thinks it indicates.
ectives are in the
> global config file, it will fix it in all such situations. There may be
> situations in which that's not desired, but it's worked well for me.
Also "-1" on the command line forces it. Or "-2" for ssh2. And "-4"
for ipv4. Or &quo
ep. I did have some failed tests in perl 5.7.2 on Mac OS X 10.0.4,
though. But `sh Configure -des -Dusedevel; make` ran without a hitch.
Just realy slow compared to the same command on the same machine
running Yellow Dog Linux. Maybe Mac OS X 10.1 will fix that. ;
set a string is in (except for Unicode, which I don't know
much about). It's all just data. It's how that data is rendered that
changes between platforms/environments/applications/fonts/etc.
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is the default, and therefore not a problem.
You might want to therefore adjust the behavior of your apps to use Latin-1
instead of MacRoman.
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not HTML).
I personally never bother with such conversions, if I know the output is
going to be HTML. I just store it using the correct HTML entities (like
"ê"). If you know the output is HTML, then use HTML, which means
using the HTML entities, not the Latin-1 or MacRoman charac
ot Mac OS X in
general, and not other programs on Mac OS X. I doubt anyone will care
too much, but please refrain int he future. Thanks,
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erlport manpage.
> No doubt zillions of people could chime in on #3. =)
I like cat. ;-)
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am not sure how file
> paths should be handled.
Perhaps the best way to handle it would be to, at some point, merge the
two files. Bottom line: please do not put it on CPAN with that name
until we figure something out.
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present on my system anywhere, or is it?
Just a guess ... did you install the developer tools CD?
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erl droplet with
Mac::OSA::Simple to do that, so no worries.
I'll probably install Mac OS X 10.1 anyway. ;-)
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In article <25932486.1001528307@[10.0.0.2]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams) wrote:
> Allow me to elaborate. =)
Ah, ignore me. I was just taking the opportunity to note that we have
something similar in Mac OS 9, and that I don't want to use Mac OS X. ;)
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getting MacPerl 5.6.1 out, and
then 5.8.0 after that -- but I can certainly give aid to someone who
wanted to work on it. Lots of people want it, and it's certainly
worthwhile. Matthias might even be able to lend a hand, I dunno.
Is this for Moz building?
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I don't know when that will happen. One thing is nearly
certain: it will happen before I make the switch to Mac OS X as my main
box. :-) But that might not be for quite some time. Mac OS 9 is quite
comfortable, and Mac OS X is not, for now.
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espace.
2. Did you look at the modules in MacPerl that do the same thing, with
an eye toward compatability of interfaces?
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quot; and just have it work.
Well, OK, maybe not. But I do want *A* module called "Mac::Files" on
Mac OS X that has the same interface as Mac::Files on Mac OS, though,
and what I don't want is for there to be confusion in the long run as to
what these modules should and sh
Dan, did you not get my previous post/reply to you? I was hoping you
would respond to my concerns.
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the module, and I am not saying the module as
it exists is wrong in any way. But the issue of duplicated functionality
and compatability (as well as the issues of what File::Copy etc. should do)
need to be addressed, so that we all know what direction things are headed,
and so that interested parties have a chance to weigh in.
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At 11:44 -0500 2002.01.14, John Gruber wrote:
>Chris Nandor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 1/14/02 at 9:27a:
>
>> Yes, I agree it is confusing. I am not crazy about MacOSX, but can think
>> of nothing better, so I am not objecting.
>
>I have a feeling that "Mac
tc. This would be
Mac::Carbon::Something in that case ...
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to it in Perl, bypassing
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian McNett) wrote:
> On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 09:42 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
>
> > I wonder if maybe we should have Carbon:: or Cocoa:: namespaces? Even
> > Mac::Carbon:: or Mac::Cocoa:: or Mac::Aqua:: etc
27;t really an established standard.
As to the 1904 datestamp, that was to accomodate the fact that time_t in
Mac OS is unsigned ... which in some ways makes more sense than a signed
time_t. Why have a negative time_t to go before 1970 when you can just
start at 0 further back? Again, there was no s
king with creators and types easier.
>
> The modules are getting there, but I haven't heard of any way to make a Perl
> droplet yet.
Droplets can be done in other ways. And the modules, while nice to
have, don't rely on having a Carbon MacPerl, it relies
istence of MacPerl, or the purpose it
is maintained, or the purpose you use it? Maybe MacPerl "was" a stopgap
for you, but it was not designed as such, and is not maintained as such.
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on.' I don't know what that means.
An IDE and droplet can simply communicate with the "command line" perl.
They don't need to be separate things.
[*] Well, the latest maint-5.6 source from the perl repository, which is
more like perl 5.6.1 + patches.
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ase status. The next beta -- probably this week -- will
have all known major bugs fixed.
Although, perl on Mac OS X will someday (hopefully sooner rather than
later) have access to the Mac:: modules (if in a different form), which
will, hopefully, make MacPerl on Mac OS X obsolete.
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se it and send the data to it from the Perl script.
>
> Is there any other ways?
There's a "MacPerl" module for Mac OS X with a similar interface to the
MacPerl module in MacPerl, whish uses osascript.
http://news2.ils.uec.ac.jp/~herr/
http://news2.ils.uec.ac.jp/~herr/OSXMacPerl-0.1.gz
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lient only problems"?
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wrote:
> This is just off the top of my head mind, I'm sure if you give me
> time to think I could come up with a couple of others.
No, that's fine, I just didn't know what you meant by the phrase.
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> ago, but I couldn't make the methods discussed there work.
Well, in MacPerl, it is very different than in perl. In perl, you might
try executing from the command line, something like `osascript
scriptname | perl perlscriptname`, where the output is piped to p
ility, since it looks like we're going
a different way, as described above.
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orrect?
I don't know for sure. That is my suspicion.
I just hope Mac::Carbon can be started soon, and then maybe people can
focus on testing and supplying patches for it.
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bugs and portability issues. Many other people helped in
many other ways as well.
Thanks, and have fun,
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view of 5.6/5.8 on Mac OS, and
on Mac OS X, and the state of various tools and modules for accessing
the Mac OS API on both platforms. I'll be preparing my slides over the
next two weeks.
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p install-all install-verbose install-silent
\
no-install install.perl install.man install.html
So I dunno what the deal is ... maybe the problem is that .PHONY is a
no-op on Mac OS X's make?
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in Mac OS
X; and an announcement about MacPerl on Mac OS X that you may not want to
miss.
Slides will be posted after the talk.
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or in user parameter list
It's quite useful to me ... figure some of you might find it of use, too.
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ed before; I've been
effectively offline much of this year, being busy with other things.
(FWIW, I bring this up now because I am finishing up version 0.01 of
Mac::Carbon, which is a port of the MacPerl Mac:: modules to Mac OS X
... more to come later.)
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macperl@. I suppose this will mean some duplication of effort in
answering questions, but I suppose that's better than using a list that
most people won't subscribe to.
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R
The Mac Toolbox modules were written by Matthias Neeracher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. They are currently maintained by Chris Nandor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
VERSION
$Id: README,v 1.1 2002/11/13 02:04:50 pudge Exp $
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account.
Or, if the only tests that fail are Types/t/Types.t, tests 3-4, then
just force install.
Oh, and I should have warned one more thing about the test suite ... it
plays with your system volume. It can be loud for a few seconds, and
quiet for a few more. :)
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> And CVS support too! Excellent!
The CVS support is very cool, too.
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. CVS works fine from the command line. Maybe
> BBEdit isn't picking up my CVS environment variables? I thought there'd be
> someplace to set them in the BBEdit prefs, but I haven't found it yet...
The only problem I had like that was when I tried to use CVS with a
checkou
evelopment:
> >
> > http://developer.apple.com/macosx/sherlock/
It's about time!
> Damn. Once someone writes a search.cpan.org plugin, I might actually
> have to start using Sherlock...
Bah. Use Watson instead. :) Seriously, Watson is faster and has
mostly better tools (altho
ResolveAlias($handle), 'EyeTV Archive');
}
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ent. The other ones were just little text files which described
how to send and process search forms. Sherlock 3 is web services and
JavaScript, and designing a UI rather than just a few text parameters.
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istory and
checking the status, but the ability to do commit and diff is huge for
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ot;asd"); print $@'
The variable asd is not defined
$ perl -MMac::AppleScript=:all -le 'RunAppleScript("asd"); print $@'
-1753
$ macerror -1753
Mac OS error -1753: (errOSAScriptError)
Anyway, before people started asking, that's the only r
apper would work:
use MacPerl 'DoAppleScript'; # no need to slurp in all of Mac::Carbon
*RunAppleScript = *DoAppleScript{CODE};
The only caveat is that right now Mac::Carbon is still in development
... and I am not entirely sure if there isn't any other significant
difference be
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kee Hinckley) wrote:
> At 11:29 PM -0500 11/13/02, Chris Nandor wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (_brian_d_foy) wrote:
> >
> >> i'll have to see about this CVS tool thing. i'm dubiou
search.cpan.org/search?query=%s&mode=all
I then enter "cpan" in the keyword field for that bookmark's Properties
window, and then I can type:
cpan Mac::Carbon
in the location field.
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owed down the problem somewhat, but won't
get to look into it closely for a little while. Something about converting
SoundJam ID3v2 tags to ID3v2.4.0 in iTunes; either I got something wrong, or
Apple did.
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that can be done about network disks not
cleanly unmounting; I have similar problems that I learn to deal with in
various ways ... sometimes force-relaunching the Finder helps, sometimes
not), if you stick with it, I think you'll find it in the end to be more
rewarding than Micros
toggle the Firewall (next tab over)
> access to port 80. If that helps you any...
If you do have the firewall on, you can also manually add access to port 80
in that Firewall settings.
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In article <p05100307b9fad2141fb6@[192.168.1.14]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug McNutt) wrote:
> What is the "official" name of the operating system under MacOS neXt?
darwin.
> Where does perl get it?
Lowercase uname, same as most (but not all) OSes.
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er of people (many of us changed the lookupd order on our own in
previous versions of Mac OS X), and that this is not a reflection on NetInfo
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p5p in July:
http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2002-07/msg00871.html
The bottom line was that it'd be nice to have a PerlIO filter for perl
5.8.x, so that MacPerl can execute Unix and Windows text files, and Mac OS X
perl can execute Mac OS text files, etc. Patc
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Kogai) wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 01:05 Asia/Tokyo, Chris Nandor wrote:
> > The bottom line was that it'd be nice to have a PerlIO filter for perl
> > 5.8.x, so that MacPerl can execute Unix and Windows t
);
> }
#?
> }
>
> and then call the script with
>
>perl -MFilter::Any2Unix script.pl
>
> or embed "use Filter::Any2Unix" into the script.
That shouldn't work. By the time you get to it in the script, if you have a
#! line, then the
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heather Madrone) wrote:
> At 11:05 AM 11/24/2002 -0500, Chris Nandor wrote:
> >But back to the point: there's been some discussion in this threa on
> >workarounds, but my personal feeling is that this is a bug, or at
fit or somesuch, they
can set an option to translate newlines. If they used MacPerl's module
installation tools, then it asks you if you want to convert newlines.
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ke the shebang line in Unix, but for MPW.
You can have it ignored from the command line with perl's -x command-line
switch.
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There's macperl-toolbox which is mostly deprecated, I think,
in favor of Mac::Carbon discussions taking place here.
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th 5.6. As a workaround, I'm doing "use lib
> File::Spec->catdir('lib');", which seems to work.
Yes, that is the "workaround" (really, the proper approach :-) I'd
recommend. Of course, it fails miserably if you can't find File/Spec.pm,
but
be safe to delete anything in the build directory. I'd just rm
-rf .cpan/build/*.
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and see if there's anything else there you need that it
doesn't provide. :-) Let me know, or file a report on SourceForge.net.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Nandor) wrote:
> Mac::Processes can give you much of the information you could want. It
> provides a PSN instead of a PID, but I could add GetProcessPID() and
> GetProcessForPID() to Mac::Processes, which maps between t
ays to do
this. Of these, the only approach that works on Mac OS X is exec'ing the ps
command line tool. exec'ing ps will require parsing the tool's output and
will not use system resources as efficiently as Listing 1.
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nd it should be converted to the native format of whatever the
target platform is. If you want a literal \012, then you should encode it
as \012 or \0xA or \cJ.
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ching for a couple of minutes
> when Mac::Carbon wouldn't compile; then I noticed the 2.95.2 in the
> output. So I think Ken's on the money here.
Aha, thanks, I'll take a gander at it when I get a chance. Dunno if it will
help me much, but it looks like if I can fix
Does anyone know how to open a resource fork, with open(), sysopen(),
POSIX::open(), etc.? On Mac OS, I would use O_RSRC, but that is apparently
not available in Mac OS X's fcntl.h.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherm Pendley) wrote:
> On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 12:38 PM, Chris Nandor wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know how to open a resource fork, with open(), sysopen(),
> > POSIX::open(), etc.? On Mac OS, I would
At 13:21 -0500 2002.12.05, Sherm Pendley wrote:
>On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 12:38 PM, Chris Nandor wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how to open a resource fork, with open(), sysopen(),
>> POSIX::open(), etc.? On Mac OS, I would use O_RSRC, but that is
>> apparently
&g
d to do on Debian Linux
too, as installing your own perl over the system perl can cause havoc with
apt-get etc. There are certainly ways around it, but it's easier just to
install into /usr/local/.
I think the biggest problem with how Apple does it is that it is
nonstandard. Every other pla
the CPAN, and on
http://sf.net/projects/macperl/ (where there is also a binary installer, for
those of you who have trouble building it, such as those on 10.1.x systems).
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Dobbin) wrote:
> On 11/12/02 14:06, "Chris Nandor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Mac::Carbon 0.02 is available on the CPAN, and on
> > http://sf.net/projects/macperl/ (where there is also a bi
OS X 10.1/10.2.
Thanks,
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ork.
To see if it will, use the 0.02 binaries you have installed and try this
one-liner:
% perl -MMac::AppleEvents -e '$e = AEBuildAppleEvent(qw(misc actv sign MACS
-1 0), ""); AESend($e, kAEWaitReply); AEDisposeDesc($e)'
It should activate the Finder, the
version on the web site, which isn't on
the CPAN.
http://dev.macperl.org/tmp/Mac-Carbon-0.02_01.tar.gz
The errors you got were expected with the version you used. Thanks,
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