and MacPerl 5.8.x, as
applicable. After that, we are past the forseeable future, but
nevertheless, if I am not still working on it, it should be relatively
simple for someone else to build new versions.
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:34:42 -0500
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: perl 5.7.1+ fine(ish) on mac os x (please fwd)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Public service announcement: the development branch of Perl now
builds [1] out of the box in Mac OS X, with just
At 10:07 + 2001.04.26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Chris Nandor wrote:
Public service announcement: the development branch of Perl now
builds [1] out of the box in Mac OS X, with just Configure -de.
Erm, except doing -de with a development edition doesn't work because
on 2001/06/11 12:28:49
Log: Subject: [MacPerl-Porters] [PATCH] Mac OS Compatability for
bleadperl
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:35:38 -0400
From: Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: p05100306b749ec0eaade@[10.0.1.177]
Branch: perl
! lib
of MacRoman.
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paths should be handled.
Perhaps the best way to handle it would be to, at some point, merge the
two files. Bottom line: please do not put it on CPAN with that name
until we figure something out.
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OS X 10.1 anyway. ;-)
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In article 25932486.1001528307@[10.0.0.2],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams) wrote:
Allow me to elaborate. =)
Ah, ignore me. I was just taking the opportunity to note that we have
something similar in Mac OS 9, and that I don't want to use Mac OS X. ;)
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: it will happen before I make the switch to Mac OS X as my main
box. :-) But that might not be for quite some time. Mac OS 9 is quite
comfortable, and Mac OS X is not, for now.
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at the modules in MacPerl that do the same thing, with
an eye toward compatability of interfaces?
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as Mac::Files on Mac OS, though,
and what I don't want is for there to be confusion in the long run as to
what these modules should and shouldn't do ...
What I really should do is just port the Mac:: modules, but I don't have
the time to do that work. :/
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are headed,
and so that interested parties have a chance to weigh in.
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At 11:44 -0500 2002.01.14, John Gruber wrote:
Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 1/14/02 at 9:27a:
Yes, I agree it is confusing. I am not crazy about MacOSX, but can think
of nothing better, so I am not objecting.
I have a feeling that MacOSX is not future-proofed.
What happens
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian McNett) wrote:
On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 09:42 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
I wonder if maybe we should have Carbon:: or Cocoa:: namespaces? Even
Mac::Carbon:: or Mac::Cocoa:: or Mac::Aqua:: etc. This would be
Mac::Carbon
, that was to accomodate the fact that time_t in
Mac OS is unsigned ... which in some ways makes more sense than a signed
time_t. Why have a negative time_t to go before 1970 when you can just
start at 0 further back? Again, there was no standard at the time.
Same thing with /.
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The modules are getting there, but I haven't heard of any way to make a Perl
droplet yet.
Droplets can be done in other ways. And the modules, while nice to
have, don't rely on having a Carbon MacPerl, it relies on Carbonized
modules.
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it
is maintained, or the purpose you use it? Maybe MacPerl was a stopgap
for you, but it was not designed as such, and is not maintained as such.
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[*] Well, the latest maint-5.6 source from the perl repository, which is
more like perl 5.6.1 + patches.
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bugs fixed.
Although, perl on Mac OS X will someday (hopefully sooner rather than
later) have access to the Mac:: modules (if in a different form), which
will, hopefully, make MacPerl on Mac OS X obsolete.
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://news2.ils.uec.ac.jp/~herr/
http://news2.ils.uec.ac.jp/~herr/OSXMacPerl-0.1.gz
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are OSX client only problems?
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In article p05100305b8a4fd27ef3c@[61.115.111.63], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is just off the top of my head mind, I'm sure if you give me
time to think I could come up with a couple of others.
No, that's fine, I just didn't know what you meant by the phrase.
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on Mac OS, and
on Mac OS X, and the state of various tools and modules for accessing
the Mac OS API on both platforms. I'll be preparing my slides over the
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So I dunno what the deal is ... maybe the problem is that .PHONY is a
no-op on Mac OS X's make?
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X; and an announcement about MacPerl on Mac OS X that you may not want to
miss.
Slides will be posted after the talk.
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effectively offline much of this year, being busy with other things.
(FWIW, I bring this up now because I am finishing up version 0.01 of
Mac::Carbon, which is a port of the MacPerl Mac:: modules to Mac OS X
... more to come later.)
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answering questions, but I suppose that's better than using a list that
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account.
Or, if the only tests that fail are Types/t/Types.t, tests 3-4, then
just force install.
Oh, and I should have warned one more thing about the test suite ... it
plays with your system volume. It can be loud for a few seconds, and
quiet for a few more. :)
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adrian Howard) wrote:
And CVS support too! Excellent!
The CVS support is very cool, too.
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. Maybe
BBEdit isn't picking up my CVS environment variables? I thought there'd be
someplace to set them in the BBEdit prefs, but I haven't found it yet...
The only problem I had like that was when I tried to use CVS with a
checkout that had Mac newlines. Oopsie. :)
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/sherlock/
It's about time!
Damn. Once someone writes a search.cpan.org plugin, I might actually
have to start using Sherlock...
Bah. Use Watson instead. :) Seriously, Watson is faster and has
mostly better tools (although that may change now ...).
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just little text files which described
how to send and process search forms. Sherlock 3 is web services and
JavaScript, and designing a UI rather than just a few text parameters.
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, but the ability to do commit and diff is huge for
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$@'
The variable asd is not defined
$ perl -MMac::AppleScript=:all -le 'RunAppleScript(asd); print $@'
-1753
$ macerror -1753
Mac OS error -1753: (errOSAScriptError)
Anyway, before people started asking, that's the only real difference,
that I can see.
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MacPerl 'DoAppleScript'; # no need to slurp in all of Mac::Carbon
*RunAppleScript = *DoAppleScript{CODE};
The only caveat is that right now Mac::Carbon is still in development
... and I am not entirely sure if there isn't any other significant
difference between the two functions.
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In article p0530090cb9f97023425e@[192.168.1.104],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kee Hinckley) wrote:
At 11:29 PM -0500 11/13/02, Chris Nandor wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (_brian_d_foy) wrote:
i'll have to see about this CVS tool thing. i'm dubious.
It really rocks
?query=%smode=all
I then enter cpan in the keyword field for that bookmark's Properties
window, and then I can type:
cpan Mac::Carbon
in the location field.
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force-relaunching the Finder helps, sometimes
not), if you stick with it, I think you'll find it in the end to be more
rewarding than Microsoft (unless you really like the GUI development tools
that are more scarce on Mac OS X).
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In article p05100307b9fad2141fb6@[192.168.1.14],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug McNutt) wrote:
What is the official name of the operating system under MacOS neXt?
darwin.
Where does perl get it?
Lowercase uname, same as most (but not all) OSes.
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be done with Gestalt.
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), and that this is not a reflection on NetInfo
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/perl5-porters/2002-07/msg00871.html
The bottom line was that it'd be nice to have a PerlIO filter for perl
5.8.x, so that MacPerl can execute Unix and Windows text files, and Mac OS X
perl can execute Mac OS text files, etc. Patches are surely welcome! :-)
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Kogai) wrote:
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 01:05 Asia/Tokyo, Chris Nandor wrote:
The bottom line was that it'd be nice to have a PerlIO filter for perl
5.8.x, so that MacPerl can execute Unix and Windows text files, and
Mac OS X
perl
-MFilter::Any2Unix script.pl
or embed use Filter::Any2Unix into the script.
That shouldn't work. By the time you get to it in the script, if you have a
#! line, then the entire script is one long comment, and the use() line
won't ever be executed.
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heather Madrone) wrote:
At 11:05 AM 11/24/2002 -0500, Chris Nandor wrote:
But back to the point: there's been some discussion in this threa on
workarounds, but my personal feeling is that this is a bug, or at best a
broken feature, in perl
with perl's -x command-line
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or is there something else to take into
account (I've studied CPAN.pm 910 and can't quite make it out)?
All other modules are deleted after installation automatically (CPAN 1.63)
so any advice welcome :-)
You should be safe to delete anything in the build directory. I'd just rm
-rf .cpan/build/*.
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anything else there you need that it
doesn't provide. :-) Let me know, or file a report on SourceForge.net.
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Nandor) wrote:
Mac::Processes can give you much of the information you could want. It
provides a PSN instead of a PID, but I could add GetProcessPID() and
GetProcessForPID() to Mac::Processes, which maps between the two. Take a
look
this. Of these, the only approach that works on Mac OS X is exec'ing the ps
command line tool. exec'ing ps will require parsing the tool's output and
will not use system resources as efficiently as Listing 1.
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, then you should encode it
as \012 or \0xA or \cJ.
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Does anyone know how to open a resource fork, with open(), sysopen(),
POSIX::open(), etc.? On Mac OS, I would use O_RSRC, but that is apparently
not available in Mac OS X's fcntl.h.
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherm Pendley) wrote:
On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 12:38 PM, Chris Nandor wrote:
Does anyone know how to open a resource fork, with open(), sysopen(),
POSIX::open(), etc.? On Mac OS, I would use O_RSRC, but that is
apparently
At 13:21 -0500 2002.12.05, Sherm Pendley wrote:
On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 12:38 PM, Chris Nandor wrote:
Does anyone know how to open a resource fork, with open(), sysopen(),
POSIX::open(), etc.? On Mac OS, I would use O_RSRC, but that is
apparently
not available in Mac OS X's fcntl.h
it, but it's easier just to
install into /usr/local/.
I think the biggest problem with how Apple does it is that it is
nonstandard. Every other platform does it with versions, that I am aware of
(well, except for maybe MacPerl g).
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Dobbin) wrote:
On 11/12/02 14:06, Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mac::Carbon 0.02 is available on the CPAN, and on
http://sf.net/projects/macperl/ (where there is also a binary installer, for
those of you who have trouble
10.1/10.2.
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if it will, use the 0.02 binaries you have installed and try this
one-liner:
% perl -MMac::AppleEvents -e '$e = AEBuildAppleEvent(qw(misc actv sign MACS
-1 0), ); AESend($e, kAEWaitReply); AEDisposeDesc($e)'
It should activate the Finder, then the script should exit.
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, which isn't on
the CPAN.
http://dev.macperl.org/tmp/Mac-Carbon-0.02_01.tar.gz
The errors you got were expected with the version you used. Thanks,
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to put into this at
the moment. :)
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your system headers for keyReplyPortAttr?
If you can't find it, try (in Carbon.h, or AppleEvents.xs):
#define keyReplyPortAttr 'repp'
See if that works.
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/t/MacPerl.t at line 88)
# got: undef
# expected: '3'
Hm. I thought maybe this was a problem in 10.1.x, but apparently not, since
you're using 10.2.2.
Did you run the test from Terminal.app on the local machine?
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post about 0.02_01, or wait a day or so for 0.03 to be
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In article p05200f0bba23a385de61@[192.168.0.2],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Emmanuel. M. Decarie) wrote:
À (At) 18:07 -0500 14/12/02, Chris Nandor écrivait (wrote) :
Could you search your system headers for keyReplyPortAttr?
Hmm, not sure what you are saying here. I just know basic C and I'm
/ additions /
removals have been made to the existing API.
Also, it looks like the '=include *.xs' directives didn't get processed
for the binary installer of Mac::Carbon 0.02, so some of the docs are
missing there too.
That's fixed in 0.02_01.
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to tell people to put perl in /usr/local/ (or similar)!
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is available from
SourceForge.net. Thanks to all who have helped, and please submit bugs to
SourceForge.net if you have any to report.
This is the last release for a little while; I am going to focus on fixing
some of the outstanding bugs listed in the documentation. Patches welcome.
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At 23:03 -0500 2002.12.25, Sherm Pendley wrote:
Oh, and by the way - Merry Christmas everyone. :-)
Merry Christmas!
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by making it look right, and you can't break
Mac::Carbon on Mac OS X 10.1.5 anymore. What good ARE you, anyway? ;-)
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In article p05200f01ba40d474013f@[192.168.123.100],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heather Madrone) wrote:
OTOH, I stuck Perl 5.8 in /usr/local, and I've had no difficulty
with it whatsoever.
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! ;-)
I've never had any problems with my AirPort or my 2.4 GHz phone, but as
always, YMMV.
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save other folks that hassle.
Now, who is going to do a dmg of Apache / mod_perl / libapreq? :-)
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; now also on irc.perl.org)
I use ircle. Also rhizo.
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report the other day about the fact that right now Mac::Resources can't
handle resources in a data fork; while this isn't technically a bug (I think
...), it is something I wished it could do already, just in testing, so I
want to come back to that at some point.
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point Apache::ExtUtils tries to eval the module, and perl segfaults.
On other platforms, it fails and puts the error in $@. I patched
Apache::ExtUtils locally to not do the eval; I am not sure what the Right
Thing to do is.
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last week.
Yes, I've been doing this in my .bash_profile since I installed perl 5.8.0.
Not a great solution, but no big deal (once you realize the problem and how
to fix it :-).
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- privlib='/System/Library/Perl';
- sitelib='/Library/Perl';
- vendorlib='/Network/Library/Perl';
- ;;
-esac
-
+prefix='/usr/local';
# 4BSD uses ${prefix}/share/man, not ${prefix}/man.
man1dir=${prefix}/share/man/man1;
man3dir=${prefix}/share/man/man3;
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from Mac OS X, but it, itself, is not deprecated or
abolished, and you can install it via fink. I believe the issue is
primarily of Apple wanting to use non-GPL equivalents when possible; but
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Source site. Run SWIG on it.
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At 17:11 -0700 2003.02.24, Nathan Torkington wrote:
Chris Nandor writes:
Download Rendzevous source from Apple's Public Source site. Run
SWIG on it. Enjoy. ;-)
That isn't very portable beyond OS X :-)
No, Apple's zeroconf implementation there is open source and builds on
several different
::Resources. Mac::Sound, Mac::Processes, and Mac::Components have some
tests, but could use more. Coordinate with me if you are interested.
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volunteer efforts for tests for Mac::Carbon.
:) Contact me if you want to help.
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, as it is clearly fair use; and you could sue, but
you'd likely lose.
You don't make fun of a man's name. Period.
That is your opinion, it is not a rule, and stating it as a rule doesn't
make it one. Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on us, no matter how much you
use the Schwartz.
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/usr/lib/libcrypto.0.9.dylib(fcrypt.o) definition of _crypt
Drat drat.
Anyway, I know there are perhaps better places to ask about dylib and
prebinding, but I just wonder if anyone else has run into these issues with
perl, before I move on.
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variable; grab the
pattern I want with perl; and output to an AppleScript variable.
do shell script perl -e '$x = shift; $x =~ /(.pat.)/; print $1' spatter
spatt
Hope that helps,
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::Carbon ...). But I
still plan on releasing MacPerl 5.8.x, which is mostly all there and
working now (I did a test build of the latest code a week or so ago).
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in Classic to control Mail.app). But as noted
before, I am working to finish porting it all to work under Mac OS X, and
most of the pieces are in place, I just need to find the time to finish it
all up. Before summer. :)
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the option in DynaLoader, if it doesn't hurt anything, since
DynaLoader is core and it is hard to add it later. :-)
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prepared for release.
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install Mac::Carbon.
use Mac::MoreFiles;
FSpFileCopy(/private/var/root/Desktop/xxx/test1.doc,
/private/var/root/Desktop/yyy/, test2.doc, 1);
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to mess
with it. :-) But perhaps worth:
1. doublechecking my work :)
2. including it in perl's DynaLoader as an option for XS developers, even if
-bundle is still the default
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7 be suitable for most of the related purposes?
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second cell isn't empty
my @data = $fm-obj(records =
whose(NOT = [cell = 2, equals = '']),
database = 1
)-get;
etc.
Or did you intend to mean that manipulating data in AppleScript was hard?
If you find this difficult to accomplish in Perl
I don't. :-)
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Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chip Howland) wrote:
At 10:29 AM -0700 7/11/03, Chris Nandor wrote:
and here's a Perl tutorial:
[snip way too many lines of tutorial, apparently intended to make perl look
a lot harder than it is]
Here is what, perhaps, you meant
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