Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[David Chittenden]

Apparently, the iPhone 7+ which you received was preloaded with iOS 10.0. So, 
you were updated to the updated release.

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> On 19/09/2016, at 15:06, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> No I don't have a 7. I'm running the latest gold master build which is the 
> public release on my iPhone SE. Odds are that that update you saw was for the 
> 7 to be on the same version as everyone else.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So when I got my iPhone unpacked I was running 10.0 which was different than 
>> the version in my old phone which was the 10.0.1.  I ran the software update 
>> though and nothing was available.  I never enrolled my new phone in the beta 
>> program so unless it’s based on the ID I don’t think so.  I never installed 
>> the profiles or anything.  Do you think maybe they are just catching up the 
>> 7+ or are you running one and no such download for you?
>> 
>> Very odd.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my iPhone 
>>> said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple would 
>>> release an update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my software update 
>>> screen said that I was running 10.0.1 already.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update 
 message appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice 
 call quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other 
 stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if 
 you got em.
 
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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[David Chittenden]

Text is always stored as uncontracted, not contracted, braille. In order to 
store the text as it's print, uncontracted form, it must be translated by 
VoiceOver. There are two modes for contracted braille input The switch is 
called automatic braille translation. One setting means whatever has been 
entered into the buffer will be translated once there has been no activitn for 
one or two seconds. Once translation occurs, anything entered is the start of 
something new. The other setting means translation does not occur until space 
or enter is pressed. In this setting, translation does not occur until then, 
allowing the braille to be corrected before space - translation.

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> On 19/09/2016, at 16:25, Michelle's Home Emails  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Stacey 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here,  
> 
> Were you talking about send a tex sms message? Because I think it was always 
> the way . What is driving me mad at moment whilst brailleing this message on 
> focus even though I have finished typing the word, can only see half the 
> ^will.  If I press spacebar then the word appears. Any fix for this?  I just 
> typed this and only read thi  pressed spacebar and the full word came up. 
> 
> Kind wishes from downunder 
> Michelle 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Sep. 2016, at 9:56 am, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone noticed if the bug with text and iMessages and Braille displays 
>> been fixed?
>> About a week ago I was using my braillepen12 to send a text and when I 
>> pressed enter to go to a new line it sent the message instead.
>> Is there a way around this?
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus, the 
>>> enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or dots 1 5 
>>> space bar.
>>> 
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>>> 
 On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in iOS.  
 When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my iphone, I 
 am not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url but then I 
 can't seem to get out of the text input box to activate the "go" button.  
 It happens to me in other text fields to like for instance, when replying 
 to an email.  What do I miss?  Is there a more comprehensive description 
 somewhere how to use a braille display to type text on iOS device?
 
 Many thanks for any tips.
 
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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi Stacey 

Michelle Stevens here,  

Were you talking about send a tex sms message? Because I think it was always 
the way . What is driving me mad at moment whilst brailleing this message on 
focus even though I have finished typing the word, can only see half the ^will. 
 If I press spacebar then the word appears. Any fix for this?  I just typed 
this and only read thi  pressed spacebar and the full word came up. 

Kind wishes from downunder 
Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Sep. 2016, at 9:56 am, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed if the bug with text and iMessages and Braille displays 
> been fixed?
> About a week ago I was using my braillepen12 to send a text and when I 
> pressed enter to go to a new line it sent the message instead.
> Is there a way around this?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus, the 
>> enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or dots 1 5 
>> space bar.
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in iOS.  
>>> When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my iphone, I 
>>> am not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url but then I can't 
>>> seem to get out of the text input box to activate the "go" button.  It 
>>> happens to me in other text fields to like for instance, when replying to 
>>> an email.  What do I miss?  Is there a more comprehensive description 
>>> somewhere how to use a braille display to type text on iOS device?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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four fingure single tap.

[Singing Sparrow]

Ok, have a question I have been trying to do the four fingure single tab 
to work at the top or the bottom of the screen.
When I do this or try to do the four fingure single tap, I always get 
the jestor to not register correctly when i touch at the bottom of the 
screen it always says top of the screen, and I have the home button at 
the bottom of the screen likewise when trying the same jestor at the top 
of the screen the opisite happens I have an Ipod Touch 6th gen which i 
believe to be a 4 inch screen What am i doing wrong? I have tried 
curling my fingures, a bit and also having them straight but everytime i 
try and do this the same things happen like i stated above Please 
help/advise? thanks.


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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Shawn Krasniuk]

No I don't have a 7. I'm running the latest gold master build which is the 
public release on my iPhone SE. Odds are that that update you saw was for the 7 
to be on the same version as everyone else.

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So when I got my iPhone unpacked I was running 10.0 which was different than 
> the version in my old phone which was the 10.0.1.  I ran the software update 
> though and nothing was available.  I never enrolled my new phone in the beta 
> program so unless it’s based on the ID I don’t think so.  I never installed 
> the profiles or anything.  Do you think maybe they are just catching up the 
> 7+ or are you running one and no such download for you?
> 
> Very odd.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my iPhone 
>> said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple would release 
>> an update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my software update screen 
>> said that I was running 10.0.1 already.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update 
>>> message appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice 
>>> call quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other 
>>> stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if 
>>> you got em.
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[Portia Scott]

Hmm. Glad this thread was started, as I’m going to see it tomorrow. All that 
was said, so far, is very interesting.

Portia.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Also it’s not just a vibration it’s a small vertical mounted piece that taps 
> the button.
> 
> That probably explains the difference in feel.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:29 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> According to a website which took an iPhone 7 apart, the new taptic engine 
>> is a vertical only vibration motor, rather than one which spins.
>> 
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>> 
>> On 19/09/2016, at 08:19, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree Scott.  I suspect that the negative reaction--sighted and blind 
>>> folks alike--is something akin to the concerns about the removal of the 
>>> phone jack, i.e. apprehension of the unknown.  I imagine that once most 
>>> people see how similar the experience with the virtual button is, those 
>>> concerns will go away.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 It’s sort of striking how real it feels considering that’s a haptic 
 response and not a real button.
 
 I heard of objections about it on some of the mainstream media but I have 
 to say I’m a fan.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier  > wrote:
> 
> I was sceptical at first too about the new home button, but I really like 
> it in the 2 days I've had the phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like 
>> you, Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really 
>> does make it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  
>>> I had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any 
>>> length of time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing 
>>> from the PC and controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 
>>> 24 hour period to use it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I 
>>> don’t like the capacitive buttons on Android.  They don’t have any 
>>> feedback or even physical identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to 
>>> me.  When you press and get that response it feels a lot like a button. 
>>>  I also like the response is configurable.  I know others disagree 
>>> though so I’m interested in what others using the 7 think of the touch 
>>> sensitive virtual button.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Scott Granados]

So when I got my iPhone unpacked I was running 10.0 which was different than 
the version in my old phone which was the 10.0.1.  I ran the software update 
though and nothing was available.  I never enrolled my new phone in the beta 
program so unless it’s based on the ID I don’t think so.  I never installed the 
profiles or anything.  Do you think maybe they are just catching up the 7+ or 
are you running one and no such download for you?

Very odd.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my iPhone 
> said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple would release 
> an update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my software update screen 
> said that I was running 10.0.1 already.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
>> appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call 
>> quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other 
>> stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if 
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my iPhone 
said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple would release an 
update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my software update screen said 
that I was running 10.0.1 already.

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
> appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call quality, 
> bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other stability 
> improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if you got em.
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Re: OS X coming tuesday

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yeah but if it's the same thing as iOS 10, the Gold Master release for us beta 
testers will be the same version that the public will get.

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> That’s funny, I forgot we’re running on the gold master and tried to update 
> my mother’s mac yesterday.  Was baffled for a while why the 10.11.6 security 
> update was the only thing I could find.  September 20 is the day from what I 
> hear.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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>> Haven’t seen this posted yet, but the full build of the mac OS X os is 
>> coming tuesday.
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Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[Mary Otten]

David, the BMW P7 is now out as a wireless set. It will cost you $400 US. The 
wired variety have been reduced to $350 US. I have no clue what they cost in 
Australia.
Mary


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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:51 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> The BW P7 is the only BW headphones I can ware. The P3 and P5 over-the-ear 
> squeeze my head too tight and hurt my ears. Frustrating, because I wanted the 
> P5 wireless. I am hopeful about the new Air Pods coming out next month.
> 
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>> On 19/09/2016, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Except that i must have very very big elephant ears *lol* because i think 
>> the headphones squeezes my ears when listening for to long.
>> My Bose QC35 are much better for the jumbo ears i have.
>> /A
>>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 05:50, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I completely agree with you about the B P7 headphones. They are great for 
>>> long flights.
>>> 
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 On 17/09/2016, at 15:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I think the most recent version of iTunes is a slight improvement over 
 what came before. I still like the one several versions back now. That's 
 obviously not coming back. In terms of headphones, if you have the money, 
 check out the B and W P7. Not cheap but very comfortable and awesome.
 Mary
 
 
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> On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> It's more clunky in some ways but the apple music layout seems a bit 
> saner. Closer to iOS. Slight sound quality improvement as well. Need to 
> find some actually decent headphones that aren't earbuds heh Do those 
> exist? Getting a lot of  calls and music lately. iTunes wifi sync seems a 
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New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Scott Granados]

Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call quality, 
bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other stability 
improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if you got em.

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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Scott Granados]

Maybe if you’re working with nuclear secrets or huge financial transactions but 
if you’re a regular shmuck like me then probably not worth the effort.  You 
could take a removable disk and back up and then just slap it in a safe deposit 
box if you were really concerned and that’s only $100 or so.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:46 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I think I may want to add another layer here. Store a backup device off the 
> premises, such as a bank vault.
> 
>   Its an interesting concept but given how much we have invested into our 
> devices which holds our lives, that extra layer may be a good idea.
> 
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> On 9/18/2016 6:43 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> If you don't have the password just hit the forgot password button.  Use
>> a PC if you don’t have a mac or any other device.  If you’ve lost all
>> the above options though you have bigger problems than trying to get in
>> to your iCloud account.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:37 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Here is a thought. Worst case scenario. Both Mac and iDevices
>>> unavailable for any number of reasons. Add to the mix the same thing
>>> for local backup devices. So even if one uses the cloud, how will you
>>> access it? Assuming again, worst case scenario, you do not know the
>>> password.
>>> 
>>>  Is there such a thing as a failsafe system? Food for thought.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 9/18/2016 6:31 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Good point on the passwords Alex, local backup has it’s advantages and
 cloud isn’t a bad second.  Great point!
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Alex Hall  
> > wrote:
> 
> I'd also suggest iTunes, and encrypting your backup. This brings over
> health data, wifi passwords, Twitter/Facebook logins, and most logins
> on third-party apps. None of this is backed up in iCloud, and
> restoring locally is much faster. Not having looked into it I don't
> know, but I doubt whether non-Apple solutions can back up this
> encrypted data either. iTunes is really easy to use for this purpose;
> I've done it several times recently, and it works just fine, no
> accessibility problems to worry about.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 20:29, Ray Foret jr > 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on
>> my iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the
>> transfer.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
>> user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>> >> > wrote:
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>>> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am
>>> curious?
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>>> 
>>> Okay,
>>> 
>>> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my
>>> iPhone 6+ to both my Mac and iCloud.
>>> 
>>> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which
>>> would let me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac
>>> independantly of iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I
>>> have so far paid for three possible solutions: Anytrans,
>>> Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. When I paid for each,
>>> they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in time, and with
>>> the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be broken
>>> every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which
>>> might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or
>>> reasonably accessible?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.

Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[E.T.]

   I think I may want to add another layer here. Store a backup device 
off the premises, such as a bank vault.


   Its an interesting concept but given how much we have invested into 
our devices which holds our lives, that extra layer may be a good idea.


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On 9/18/2016 6:43 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

If you don't have the password just hit the forgot password button.  Use
a PC if you don’t have a mac or any other device.  If you’ve lost all
the above options though you have bigger problems than trying to get in
to your iCloud account.



On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:37 PM, E.T. > wrote:

  Here is a thought. Worst case scenario. Both Mac and iDevices
unavailable for any number of reasons. Add to the mix the same thing
for local backup devices. So even if one uses the cloud, how will you
access it? Assuming again, worst case scenario, you do not know the
password.

  Is there such a thing as a failsafe system? Food for thought.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 9/18/2016 6:31 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Good point on the passwords Alex, local backup has it’s advantages and
cloud isn’t a bad second.  Great point!


On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Alex Hall 
> wrote:

I'd also suggest iTunes, and encrypting your backup. This brings over
health data, wifi passwords, Twitter/Facebook logins, and most logins
on third-party apps. None of this is backed up in iCloud, and
restoring locally is much faster. Not having looked into it I don't
know, but I doubt whether non-Apple solutions can back up this
encrypted data either. iTunes is really easy to use for this purpose;
I've done it several times recently, and it works just fine, no
accessibility problems to worry about.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 20:29, Ray Foret jr 
> wrote:

I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on
my iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the
transfer.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!


On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am
curious?
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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:01 PM
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Okay,

In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my
iPhone 6+ to both my Mac and iCloud.

Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which
would let me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac
independantly of iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I
have so far paid for three possible solutions: Anytrans,
Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. When I paid for each,
they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in time, and with
the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be broken
every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which
might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or
reasonably accessible?

Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!

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Re: Digital touch in Messages?

[Scott Granados]

Go to the friends area with the press of the button, select your friend, select 
digital touch and select the option from there. 

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> How do i do this on the watch?
> /A
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 15:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> Donna, on the watch you can reach out and tap someone.  You can even do a 
>> little ditty and it taps out on the target’s wrist.  Using the same 
>> technology you can send your heart beat to a far end person as well.  It 
>> taps on your wrist according to the sources heart rate.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:35 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
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>>> I've noticed that in IOS 10 Messages, when composing a message, there is 
>>> now something called digital touch.  Anyone know what that is?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Scott Granados]

If you don't have the password just hit the forgot password button.  Use a PC 
if you don’t have a mac or any other device.  If you’ve lost all the above 
options though you have bigger problems than trying to get in to your iCloud 
account.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Here is a thought. Worst case scenario. Both Mac and iDevices unavailable 
> for any number of reasons. Add to the mix the same thing for local backup 
> devices. So even if one uses the cloud, how will you access it? Assuming 
> again, worst case scenario, you do not know the password.
> 
>   Is there such a thing as a failsafe system? Food for thought.
> 
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> On 9/18/2016 6:31 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Good point on the passwords Alex, local backup has it’s advantages and
>> cloud isn’t a bad second.  Great point!
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Alex Hall >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd also suggest iTunes, and encrypting your backup. This brings over
>>> health data, wifi passwords, Twitter/Facebook logins, and most logins
>>> on third-party apps. None of this is backed up in iCloud, and
>>> restoring locally is much faster. Not having looked into it I don't
>>> know, but I doubt whether non-Apple solutions can back up this
>>> encrypted data either. iTunes is really easy to use for this purpose;
>>> I've done it several times recently, and it works just fine, no
>>> accessibility problems to worry about.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 20:29, Ray Foret jr 
 >> wrote:
 
 I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on
 my iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the
 transfer.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
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 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
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> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am
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> 
> Okay,
> 
> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my
> iPhone 6+ to both my Mac and iCloud.
> 
> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which
> would let me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac
> independantly of iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I
> have so far paid for three possible solutions: Anytrans,
> Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. When I paid for each,
> they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in time, and with
> the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be broken
> every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which
> might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or
> reasonably accessible?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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Re: battery issue after IOS update

[Scott Granados]

Oh sure, great question.  So it depends on the protocols used.  The 802.11AC 
protocol is many times faster, uses more points on quadrature modulation and 
can draw more power.  My home network is AC and work is N, where N might be 
64quad the home network is 256quad.  The specific protocol used can have impact 
on draw.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> This sounds strange to me.
> How can it drain more on your home network than on your working one?
> /A
>> On 18 Sep 2016, at 21:49, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I notice for example the battery drain at home on my airport Extreme AC 
>> access point is higher than when I join the WiFi network at work.
>> 
>> That’s why I was thinking that might be worth looking at.  Also if you use 
>> WiFi calling that may be the source of some drain.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>  
>>> No big changes and yes off and on tried a couple of times.
>>>  
>>> Have however changed back to a different wifi router as new one was a pain 
>>> in the A.
>>>  
>>> Now you’ve got me wondering about that, although I didn’t notice it being a 
>>> problem a few weeks back when I had it working.
>>>  
>>> Something to look at though.
>>>  
>>>  
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>>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 2:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: battery issue after IOS update
>>>  
>>> Hi Simon, I have not experienced this personally but I have heard of there 
>>> being issues on IOS 10 after update.  You might try a restart but I’m sure 
>>> you’ve tried all that obvious stuff.  Anything else change like you 
>>> recently update to 802.11AC or something?  I have heard of the problem 
>>> though but I haven’t experienced it so not sure the fix.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Morning list,
>>>  
>>> Just wondering if anyone else is noticing more of a battery drain on their 
>>> device after IOS 10 updated to?
>>>  
>>> I’ve got the 6+ and a iPad mini 4 after 36 hours for my iPad it’s down to 
>>> just above 50% charge and the phone since this morning is down to 74% which 
>>> is a lot more  useage than nromal
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your 
volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

Should be good to go.

Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk 
isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is the 
steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>  Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or the 
> disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I choose 
> reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the store.thank 
> you
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or install 
>> from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned and has 
>> the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
>> Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
>>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you 
>>> so much.
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
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>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is 
 available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over 
 during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in 
 a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again 
 will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
 
 To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all  people
> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
> 
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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[E.T.]

   Here is a thought. Worst case scenario. Both Mac and iDevices 
unavailable for any number of reasons. Add to the mix the same thing for 
local backup devices. So even if one uses the cloud, how will you access 
it? Assuming again, worst case scenario, you do not know the password.


   Is there such a thing as a failsafe system? Food for thought.

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On 9/18/2016 6:31 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Good point on the passwords Alex, local backup has it’s advantages and
cloud isn’t a bad second.  Great point!


On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Alex Hall > wrote:

I'd also suggest iTunes, and encrypting your backup. This brings over
health data, wifi passwords, Twitter/Facebook logins, and most logins
on third-party apps. None of this is backed up in iCloud, and
restoring locally is much faster. Not having looked into it I don't
know, but I doubt whether non-Apple solutions can back up this
encrypted data either. iTunes is really easy to use for this purpose;
I've done it several times recently, and it works just fine, no
accessibility problems to worry about.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 20:29, Ray Foret jr > wrote:

I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on
my iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the
transfer.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am
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Okay,

In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my
iPhone 6+ to both my Mac and iCloud.

Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which
would let me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac
independantly of iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I
have so far paid for three possible solutions:  Anytrans,
Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. When I paid for each,
they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in time, and with
the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be broken
every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which
might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or
reasonably accessible?

Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

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Re: OS X coming tuesday

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That’s funny, I forgot we’re running on the gold master and tried to update my 
mother’s mac yesterday.  Was baffled for a while why the 10.11.6 security 
update was the only thing I could find.  September 20 is the day from what I 
hear.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> Haven’t seen this posted yet, but the full build of the mac OS X os is coming 
> tuesday.
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Re: possible bug in watch OS 3

[Scott Granados]

Ok, good to know, thanks, I’ll write a message to accessibility at apple.

Thanks

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Brett C.  wrote:
> 
> Yes, same thing here. I’m glad you brought it up, I noticed it the other day.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, using the original watch, OS3 download.
>> 
>> I have the modular face set and in the bottom middle complication I have the 
>> battery level set.  This battery level reads correctly. If you flick up to 
>> the control center and one I think it is to the right of connected by iPhone 
>> there’s another battery reading.  This reads a totally different number.  If 
>> my complication reading says 100% the one on the control center reads 55.  
>> If I have a 60% reading on the complication the control center says 93.  
>> Seems to be stuck on 93 now.  Anyone else seeing these differences?  not 
>> major but odd.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: watch os 3 powering off

[Scott Granados]

Blind person is hit with taser by flight marshal on flight for using Apple 
watch.  That actually might get worse press than burning little children with 
samsung phones.:)

Just a note though, you can ignore that turning the power off thing, it’s total 
nonsense.  Myth Busters did an interesting demonstration of the nonsense 
factor.  I remember when I flew on Emirates Air we had cell phone service and 
internet during the whole flight.  On private flights as well I use my devices 
during before and after the entire flight.  Your phone won’t work above 10,000 
feet although carriers are looking at changing that.  Some flights also have 
cell repeaters in them and T-Mobile provides free access to inflight WiFi.  
There’s 0 risk to the flight though from your device.

Happy flying, try not to get on the no fly list.:)


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> 
> I can see it now. Me sitting on airplane. Please power off all electronics. 
> Me trying to power  off watch. Police show up. I end up on CNN.
> ggr
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Just so you know, if you need to test 911 services you can legally very 
>> easily and the watch would qualify.
>> 
>> What we do in the phone game if we’re going to test 911 on the service or a 
>> new customer install which we have to do is dial 911 first, tell the 
>> operator you’re testing some communications equipment for the next X minutes 
>> and please do not dispatch the call or dedicate any time to them.  Then when 
>> you do the test you again say that you’re testing per your last call, the 
>> test is successful and there will be no more testing.  Then they put you 
>> back in to a normal state where they will respond.  Note *** Note ***  
>> Highly important, you can not call 911 and hang up first before someone 
>> answers.  Your address and other data is still sent to the 911 operator and 
>> they will dispatch calling it a repeated 911 call with no answer from X 
>> location.  You’ll have police show up guns drawn.  I learned this one the 
>> hard way. Luckily I provided phone service to the sheriff’s department in 
>> our county and they new me.:)  What you might also want to do first is call 
>> the non emergency number for your local police and ask if there’s a special 
>> procedure for testing E911 services.  If not just do what I said above and 
>> you’ll be in the clear and won’t have any problems.  Also note that the SOS 
>> service does work around the world and the replacement for 911 in the host 
>> country will automatically be selected, 999 for the UK and so forth.
>> 
>> Happy dialing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Me neither!
 On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Don’t think so but could be wrong and no not trying it for the hell of it 
 .
> On 15 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Is the SOS feature only for the US?  I’m buying my watch series 2 
> tomorrow and hope the watch is faster than the last Generation.  I’m 
> going to the Apple store and am going to hold my caine out to see if I 
> can get in front of the queue.
>> On 14 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong there.:)
>> 
>> That sounds a little dicy to me.  “911, how may I help you?”  “I’m sorry 
>> I was trying to power down my watch, no really I’m fine, nobody is here, 
>> I’m just trying to reset my watch”  “Ok ok, I’ll open the door and let 
>> the officer in to check” ;)
>> 
>> As someone who has to test 911 calls for SIP phones from time to time 
>> that’s a real eye opener when you dial 911 and think you hang up before 
>> the call completes and 5 minutes later police are pulling up in your 
>> parking lot looking for the guy calling 911. haha
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarai, you press it long enough to invoke the power off screen, but 
>>> not so long that it invokes the SOS function.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
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>>> 
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 Hi:
 I know the long press of friends button use to power off the watch, 
 and now it starts SOS. How do you turn off the watch now?
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Mistic access has a podcast where people successfully use Sling.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
> AppleTV.
> 
> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> 
> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> 
> Brandonthe 
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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Scott Granados]

Good point on the passwords Alex, local backup has it’s advantages and cloud 
isn’t a bad second.  Great point!

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I'd also suggest iTunes, and encrypting your backup. This brings over health 
> data, wifi passwords, Twitter/Facebook logins, and most logins on third-party 
> apps. None of this is backed up in iCloud, and restoring locally is much 
> faster. Not having looked into it I don't know, but I doubt whether non-Apple 
> solutions can back up this encrypted data either. iTunes is really easy to 
> use for this purpose; I've done it several times recently, and it works just 
> fine, no accessibility problems to worry about.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 20:29, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on my 
>> iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the transfer.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am curious?
>>> ---
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:01 PM
>>> Subject: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Okay,
>>> 
>>> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ 
>>> to both my Mac and iCloud.
>>> 
>>> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would 
>>> let me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly 
>>> of iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for 
>>> three possible solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot 
>>> recall. When I paid for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  
>>> but in time, and with the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility 
>>> seems to be broken every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest 
>>> anything which might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very 
>>> or reasonably accessible?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Scott Granados]

That’s why you put it in the cloud, so it doesn’t depend on any one machine.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on my 
> iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the transfer.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am curious?
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:01 PM
>> Subject: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution
>> 
>> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ to 
>> both my Mac and iCloud.
>> 
>> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would let 
>> me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly of 
>> iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for three 
>> possible solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. 
>> When I paid for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in 
>> time, and with the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be 
>> broken every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which 
>> might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or reasonably 
>> accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: watch os 3 powering off

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I can see it now. Me sitting on airplane. Please power off all electronics. Me 
trying to power  off watch. Police show up. I end up on CNN.
ggr
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Just so you know, if you need to test 911 services you can legally very 
> easily and the watch would qualify.
> 
> What we do in the phone game if we’re going to test 911 on the service or a 
> new customer install which we have to do is dial 911 first, tell the operator 
> you’re testing some communications equipment for the next X minutes and 
> please do not dispatch the call or dedicate any time to them.  Then when you 
> do the test you again say that you’re testing per your last call, the test is 
> successful and there will be no more testing.  Then they put you back in to a 
> normal state where they will respond.  Note *** Note ***  Highly important, 
> you can not call 911 and hang up first before someone answers.  Your address 
> and other data is still sent to the 911 operator and they will dispatch 
> calling it a repeated 911 call with no answer from X location.  You’ll have 
> police show up guns drawn.  I learned this one the hard way. Luckily I 
> provided phone service to the sheriff’s department in our county and they new 
> me.:)  What you might also want to do first is call the non emergency number 
> for your local police and ask if there’s a special procedure for testing E911 
> services.  If not just do what I said above and you’ll be in the clear and 
> won’t have any problems.  Also note that the SOS service does work around the 
> world and the replacement for 911 in the host country will automatically be 
> selected, 999 for the UK and so forth.
> 
> Happy dialing.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Me neither!
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don’t think so but could be wrong and no not trying it for the hell of it 
>>> .
 On 15 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Is the SOS feature only for the US?  I’m buying my watch series 2 tomorrow 
 and hope the watch is faster than the last Generation.  I’m going to the 
 Apple store and am going to hold my caine out to see if I can get in front 
 of the queue.
> On 14 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong there.:)
> 
> That sounds a little dicy to me.  “911, how may I help you?”  “I’m sorry 
> I was trying to power down my watch, no really I’m fine, nobody is here, 
> I’m just trying to reset my watch”  “Ok ok, I’ll open the door and let 
> the officer in to check” ;)
> 
> As someone who has to test 911 calls for SIP phones from time to time 
> that’s a real eye opener when you dial 911 and think you hang up before 
> the call completes and 5 minutes later police are pulling up in your 
> parking lot looking for the guy calling 911. haha
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sarai, you press it long enough to invoke the power off screen, but 
>> not so long that it invokes the SOS function.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 15/09/2016, at 3:07 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I know the long press of friends button use to power off the watch, and 
>>> now it starts SOS. How do you turn off the watch now?
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: possible bug in watch OS 3

[Brett C.]

Yes, same thing here. I’m glad you brought it up, I noticed it the other day.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, using the original watch, OS3 download.
> 
> I have the modular face set and in the bottom middle complication I have the 
> battery level set.  This battery level reads correctly. If you flick up to 
> the control center and one I think it is to the right of connected by iPhone 
> there’s another battery reading.  This reads a totally different number.  If 
> my complication reading says 100% the one on the control center reads 55.  If 
> I have a 60% reading on the complication the control center says 93.  Seems 
> to be stuck on 93 now.  Anyone else seeing these differences?  not major but 
> odd.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Alex Hall]

I'd also suggest iTunes, and encrypting your backup. This brings over health 
data, wifi passwords, Twitter/Facebook logins, and most logins on third-party 
apps. None of this is backed up in iCloud, and restoring locally is much 
faster. Not having looked into it I don't know, but I doubt whether non-Apple 
solutions can back up this encrypted data either. iTunes is really easy to use 
for this purpose; I've done it several times recently, and it works just fine, 
no accessibility problems to worry about.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 20:29, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on my 
> iPHone that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the transfer.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am curious?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:01 PM
>> Subject: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution
>> 
>> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ to 
>> both my Mac and iCloud.
>> 
>> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would let 
>> me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly of 
>> iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for three 
>> possible solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. 
>> When I paid for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in 
>> time, and with the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be 
>> broken every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which 
>> might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or reasonably 
>> accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
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OS X coming tuesday

[Kliphton Miller]

Haven’t seen this posted yet, but the full build of the mac OS X os is coming 
tuesday.

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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Ray Foret jr]

I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on my iPHone 
that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the transfer.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am curious?
> ---
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
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> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:01 PM
> Subject: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution
> 
> 
> Okay,
> 
> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ to 
> both my Mac and iCloud.
> 
> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would let 
> me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly of 
> iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for three 
> possible solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. 
> When I paid for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in 
> time, and with the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be 
> broken every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which 
> might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or reasonably 
> accessible?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

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Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am curious?
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Okay,

In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ to 
both my Mac and iCloud.


Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would let 
me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly of 
iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for three 
possible solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. 
When I paid for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in 
time, and with the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be 
broken every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which 
might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or reasonably 
accessible?


Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[David Chittenden]

Sure, please use english braille. I am not intelligent enough to have learned 
other languages.

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 19/09/2016, at 10:42, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi David!
> Thanks for that very good explanation.
> Now i want to give the braille input another chance.
> I hope you’re are willing to help if i need some.
> I don’t use contracted braille as we don’t have that in Swedish anymore.
> /A
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 23:59, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
>> 
>> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
>> it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
>> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else which 
>> is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it wrong, and 
>> keep trying.
>> 
>> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each dot 
>> under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
>> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
>> and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, you 
>> are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it gives 
>> any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping too quick 
>> between your left and right hands.
>> 
>> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
>> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
>> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
>> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, 
>> and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration 
>> is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on 
>> which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second tap 
>> which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
>> 
>> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
>> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
>> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
>> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
>> to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to the 
>> visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
>> 
>> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
>> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
>> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
>> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom 
>> edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations 
>> on the screen.
>> 
>> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you to 
>> understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable as 
>> performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get 
>> over yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data entry 
>> which does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly / at a 
>> second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with charging or 
>> pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available surface to 
>> write on.
>> 
>> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down 
>> what VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out what 
>> you are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. 
>> Contracted braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try 
>> to figure out which contractions you are using to figure out what you are 
>> doing with your fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away 
>> mode, and your device.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 18/09/2016, at 09:12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> This sounds very much like the problem I was first having when I tried it 
>>> out this morning. However when I went back in and tried it a second time 
>>> the problem seem to have corrected it self. I haven't spent a lot of time 
>>> with it today but I have tried subsequently several times to use braille 
>>> input and it worked every time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 To anyone who can't get BSI to work: are you all having the same problem, 
 where dots appear completely out of order or are missing altogether? I saw 
 that briefly during one of the iOS8 incremental update betas, but 

slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ to 
both my Mac and iCloud.

Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would let me 
back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly of iTunes.  
The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for three possible 
solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall.  When I paid 
for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in time, and with 
the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be broken every time 
with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which might be usable for the 
purpose and which is at least very or reasonably accessible?

Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[Stacey Robinson]

Has anyone noticed if the bug with text and iMessages and Braille displays been 
fixed?
About a week ago I was using my braillepen12 to send a text and when I pressed 
enter to go to a new line it sent the message instead.
Is there a way around this?

Peace,  
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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus, the 
> enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or dots 1 5 
> space bar.
> 
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> On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in iOS.  
>> When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my iphone, I am 
>> not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url but then I can't 
>> seem to get out of the text input box to activate the "go" button.  It 
>> happens to me in other text fields to like for instance, when replying to an 
>> email.  What do I miss?  Is there a more comprehensive description somewhere 
>> how to use a braille display to type text on iOS device?
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[David Chittenden]

The BW P7 is the only BW headphones I can ware. The P3 and P5 over-the-ear 
squeeze my head too tight and hurt my ears. Frustrating, because I wanted the 
P5 wireless. I am hopeful about the new Air Pods coming out next month.

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> On 19/09/2016, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Except that i must have very very big elephant ears *lol* because i think the 
> headphones squeezes my ears when listening for to long.
> My Bose QC35 are much better for the jumbo ears i have.
> /A
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 05:50, David Chittenden  wrote:
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>> I completely agree with you about the B P7 headphones. They are great for 
>> long flights.
>> 
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>>> On 17/09/2016, at 15:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the most recent version of iTunes is a slight improvement over what 
>>> came before. I still like the one several versions back now. That's 
>>> obviously not coming back. In terms of headphones, if you have the money, 
>>> check out the B and W P7. Not cheap but very comfortable and awesome.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
 
 It's more clunky in some ways but the apple music layout seems a bit 
 saner. Closer to iOS. Slight sound quality improvement as well. Need to 
 find some actually decent headphones that aren't earbuds heh Do those 
 exist? Getting a lot of  calls and music lately. iTunes wifi sync seems a 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

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   Perhaps this Apple support article can answer some of your questions.


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On 9/18/2016 3:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

 Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
if I choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
the store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
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Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.

Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.


On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:

 Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
his assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
Thank you so much.

Ramy moustafa saber
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On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
 Remember once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but
pressing command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this
does not always happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.

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Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
if there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this
and will VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

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Re: battery issue after IOS update

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
This sounds strange to me.
How can it drain more on your home network than on your working one?
/A
> On 18 Sep 2016, at 21:49, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I notice for example the battery drain at home on my airport Extreme AC 
> access point is higher than when I join the WiFi network at work.
> 
> That’s why I was thinking that might be worth looking at.  Also if you use 
> WiFi calling that may be the source of some drain.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
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>> Hi Scott,
>>  
>> No big changes and yes off and on tried a couple of times.
>>  
>> Have however changed back to a different wifi router as new one was a pain 
>> in the A.
>>  
>> Now you’ve got me wondering about that, although I didn’t notice it being a 
>> problem a few weeks back when I had it working.
>>  
>> Something to look at though.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: battery issue after IOS update
>>  
>> Hi Simon, I have not experienced this personally but I have heard of there 
>> being issues on IOS 10 after update.  You might try a restart but I’m sure 
>> you’ve tried all that obvious stuff.  Anything else change like you recently 
>> update to 802.11AC or something?  I have heard of the problem though but I 
>> haven’t experienced it so not sure the fix.
>>  
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Morning list,
>>  
>> Just wondering if anyone else is noticing more of a battery drain on their 
>> device after IOS 10 updated to?
>>  
>> I’ve got the 6+ and a iPad mini 4 after 36 hours for my iPad it’s down to 
>> just above 50% charge and the phone since this morning is down to 74% which 
>> is a lot more  useage than nromal
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Re: battery issue after IOS update

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
A very late answer but yes i have this problem.
I told apple about the problem when i was beta testing but i had problems with 
the feedback app as it didn’t want to send my feedbacks.
Finally it send.
/A
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>  
> Just wondering if anyone else is noticing more of a battery drain on their 
> device after IOS 10 updated to?
>  
> I’ve got the 6+ and a iPad mini 4 after 36 hours for my iPad it’s down to 
> just above 50% charge and the phone since this morning is down to 74% which 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

 Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or the 
disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I choose 
reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or install 
> from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned and has 
> the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
> Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you 
>> so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is 
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over 
>>> during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a 
>>> while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again 
>>> will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
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 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
 
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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi David!
Thanks for that very good explanation.
Now i want to give the braille input another chance.
I hope you’re are willing to help if i need some.
I don’t use contracted braille as we don’t have that in Swedish anymore.
/A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 23:59, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
> 
> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with it 
> every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else which 
> is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it wrong, and 
> keep trying.
> 
> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each dot 
> under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires between 
> about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand and the 
> left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, you are 
> pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it gives any 
> combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping too quick 
> between your left and right hands.
> 
> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, and 
> my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration is 
> different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on which 
> braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second tap which 
> is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
> 
> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots to 
> your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to the 
> visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
> 
> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom edge 
> of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations on the 
> screen.
> 
> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you to 
> understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable as 
> performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get over 
> yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data entry which 
> does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly / at a 
> second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with charging or 
> pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available surface to 
> write on.
> 
> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down what 
> VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out what you 
> are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. Contracted 
> braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try to figure out 
> which contractions you are using to figure out what you are doing with your 
> fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away mode, and your 
> device.
> 
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> 
> On 18/09/2016, at 09:12, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> This sounds very much like the problem I was first having when I tried it 
>> out this morning. However when I went back in and tried it a second time the 
>> problem seem to have corrected it self. I haven't spent a lot of time with 
>> it today but I have tried subsequently several times to use braille input 
>> and it worked every time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> To anyone who can't get BSI to work: are you all having the same problem, 
>>> where dots appear completely out of order or are missing altogether? I saw 
>>> that briefly during one of the iOS8 incremental update betas, but never 
>>> since. I don't recall what worked, save several calibrations in a row, done 
>>> very fast. Failing that, has anyone tried a complete settings reset? It's a 
>>> bit drastic, I know, but it won't touch any of your data or apps and will 
>>> mean only that you have to take 

Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Alex Hall]

Even when on a flat surface, I have my phone locked in Away mode. I can braille 
well enough in Tabletop mode, but I find the gestures, especially for space, to 
be very awkward. I usually end up swiping down instead of right, and it's 
longer, in the end, to use Tabletop even if actually entering characters is a 
little more comfortable.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 17:22, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I did not know about the five separate events limitation.  Makes sense.  
> thanks for the explanation.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:16 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, 
>> the dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. 
>> 8-dot computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display 
>> allows for more points at the same time. As I normally write in uncontracted 
>> mode to keep my spelling up and be more like my sighted colleagues, I do not 
>> usually run into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. I will test it on the 
>> iPad ,n a few weeks.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working 
>>> for you.
>>> 
>>> I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in 
>>> Screen-Away mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still 
>>> pretty abysmal when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just 
>>> using screen away mode, so that isn't a huge deal.
>>> 
>>> I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot 
>>> produce dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get the 
>>> letter Y.  I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  
>>> Wondering if you have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem?  
>>> Again, it's not a deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be 
>>> nice if I didn't have to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
 
 I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
 it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
 consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else 
 which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it 
 wrong, and keep trying.
 
 Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each 
 dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
 between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
 and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, 
 you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it 
 gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping 
 too quick between your left and right hands.
 
 Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. 
 This means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the 
 same spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I 
 perform dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a 
 second, and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot 
 calibration is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers 
 (depending on which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed 
 by a second tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
 
 Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
 touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
 eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
 this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
 to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to 
 the visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
 
 I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the 
 same positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs 
 on one edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode 
 works for me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch 
 the bottom edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the 
 same locations on the screen.
 
 Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you 
 to understand what you are doing wrong. Braille 

Re: Digital touch in Messages?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
How do i do this on the watch?
/A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 15:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Donna, on the watch you can reach out and tap someone.  You can even do a 
> little ditty and it taps out on the target’s wrist.  Using the same 
> technology you can send your heart beat to a far end person as well.  It taps 
> on your wrist according to the sources heart rate.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:35 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've noticed that in IOS 10 Messages, when composing a message, there is now 
>> something called digital touch.  Anyone know what that is?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Except that i must have very very big elephant ears *lol* because i think the 
headphones squeezes my ears when listening for to long.
My Bose QC35 are much better for the jumbo ears i have.
/A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 05:50, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> I completely agree with you about the B P7 headphones. They are great for 
> long flights.
> 
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> On 17/09/2016, at 15:04, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> I think the most recent version of iTunes is a slight improvement over what 
>> came before. I still like the one several versions back now. That's 
>> obviously not coming back. In terms of headphones, if you have the money, 
>> check out the B and W P7. Not cheap but very comfortable and awesome.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Blee Blat >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's more clunky in some ways but the apple music layout seems a bit saner. 
>>> Closer to iOS. Slight sound quality improvement as well. Need to find some 
>>> actually decent headphones that aren't earbuds heh Do those exist? Getting 
>>> a lot of  calls and music lately. iTunes wifi sync seems a bit more 
>>> reliable as well.
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Scott Granados]

Remember your old phone only needs WiFi to work.  If you have a pad or 
something else you can also use that and on your new phone you can delete there 
as well.  I just had to noodle around with it a while and get things to work.

 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I wonder now with this two factor stuff on iOS, how would one upgrade to a 
> new phone since it appears that you need both the old and new active with 
> cellular connectivity to do it? My lease is coming up in November, and I plan 
> on upgrading, but I don't want to end up locking myself out of my Apple ID 
> for good doing it.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud
> 
> 
> You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
> enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my request 
> cannot be completed at this time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave my 
>> dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t work and 
>> when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from iCloud.  I had 
>> to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That was my work around 
>> anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems with changes 
>> sticking in cloud like my unlock with watch option.
>> 
>> Wonder if something is sideways at apple?
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
>>> this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what the 
>>> answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that I'm 
>>> not getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me I've 
>>> made too many attempts to answer the questions.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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possible bug in watch OS 3

[Scott Granados]

Hi, using the original watch, OS3 download.

I have the modular face set and in the bottom middle complication I have the 
battery level set.  This battery level reads correctly. If you flick up to the 
control center and one I think it is to the right of connected by iPhone 
there’s another battery reading.  This reads a totally different number.  If my 
complication reading says 100% the one on the control center reads 55.  If I 
have a 60% reading on the complication the control center says 93.  Seems to be 
stuck on 93 now.  Anyone else seeing these differences?  not major but odd.

Thanks
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[Scott Granados]

Also it’s not just a vibration it’s a small vertical mounted piece that taps 
the button.

That probably explains the difference in feel.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:29 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> According to a website which took an iPhone 7 apart, the new taptic engine is 
> a vertical only vibration motor, rather than one which spins.
> 
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> On 19/09/2016, at 08:19, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
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>> I agree Scott.  I suspect that the negative reaction--sighted and blind 
>> folks alike--is something akin to the concerns about the removal of the 
>> phone jack, i.e. apprehension of the unknown.  I imagine that once most 
>> people see how similar the experience with the virtual button is, those 
>> concerns will go away.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s sort of striking how real it feels considering that’s a haptic 
>>> response and not a real button.
>>> 
>>> I heard of objections about it on some of the mainstream media but I have 
>>> to say I’m a fan.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier > wrote:
 
 I was sceptical at first too about the new home button, but I really like 
 it in the 2 days I've had the phone.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
> Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does 
> make it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I 
>> had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length 
>> of time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing from the 
>> PC and controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour 
>> period to use it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like 
>> the capacitive buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even 
>> physical identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press 
>> and get that response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the 
>> response is configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m 
>> interested in what others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive 
>> virtual button.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or install 
from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned and has the 
operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  

Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>  Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you 
> so much.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
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>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is available 
>> during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over during 
>> install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a while a 
>> new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again will 
>> reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
>> 
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
>>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
>>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>> 
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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Donna Goodin]

I did not know about the five separate events limitation.  Makes sense.  thanks 
for the explanation.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:16 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, 
> the dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. 
> 8-dot computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display 
> allows for more points at the same time. As I normally write in uncontracted 
> mode to keep my spelling up and be more like my sighted colleagues, I do not 
> usually run into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. I will test it on the 
> iPad ,n a few weeks.
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> On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working 
>> for you.
>> 
>> I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in Screen-Away 
>> mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still pretty abysmal 
>> when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just using screen away 
>> mode, so that isn't a huge deal.
>> 
>> I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot produce 
>> dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get the letter 
>> Y.  I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  Wondering if you 
>> have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem?  Again, it's not a 
>> deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be nice if I didn't 
>> have to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
>>> 
>>> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
>>> it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
>>> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else 
>>> which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it 
>>> wrong, and keep trying.
>>> 
>>> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each 
>>> dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
>>> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
>>> and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, 
>>> you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it 
>>> gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping 
>>> too quick between your left and right hands.
>>> 
>>> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
>>> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
>>> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
>>> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, 
>>> and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration 
>>> is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on 
>>> which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second 
>>> tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
>>> 
>>> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
>>> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
>>> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
>>> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
>>> to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to 
>>> the visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
>>> 
>>> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
>>> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
>>> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
>>> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom 
>>> edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations 
>>> on the screen.
>>> 
>>> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you 
>>> to understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable 
>>> as performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get 
>>> over yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data 
>>> entry which does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly 
>>> / at a second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with 
>>> charging or pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available 
>>> surface to write on.
>>> 
>>> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down 
>>> what VO 

Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[David Chittenden]

On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, the 
dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. 8-dot 
computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display allows for 
more points at the same time. As I normally write in uncontracted mode to keep 
my spelling up and be more like my sighted colleagues, I do not usually run 
into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. I will test it on the iPad ,n a few 
weeks.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working for 
> you.
> 
> I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in Screen-Away 
> mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still pretty abysmal 
> when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just using screen away 
> mode, so that isn't a huge deal.
> 
> I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot produce 
> dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get the letter Y. 
>  I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  Wondering if you 
> have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem?  Again, it's not a 
> deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be nice if I didn't 
> have to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
>> 
>> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
>> it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
>> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else which 
>> is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it wrong, and 
>> keep trying.
>> 
>> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each dot 
>> under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
>> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
>> and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, you 
>> are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it gives 
>> any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping too quick 
>> between your left and right hands.
>> 
>> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
>> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
>> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
>> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, 
>> and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration 
>> is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on 
>> which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second tap 
>> which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
>> 
>> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
>> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
>> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
>> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
>> to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to the 
>> visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
>> 
>> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
>> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
>> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
>> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom 
>> edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations 
>> on the screen.
>> 
>> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you to 
>> understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable as 
>> performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get 
>> over yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data entry 
>> which does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly / at a 
>> second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with charging or 
>> pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available surface to 
>> write on.
>> 
>> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down 
>> what VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out what 
>> you are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. 
>> Contracted braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try 
>> to figure out which contractions you are using to figure out what you are 
>> doing with your fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away 
>> mode, and 

Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can not seem to find the import cd feature anymore.
I hear a disc selector but there seems to be no import from cd.
/A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 03:52, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> I'm finding though still perfectly accessible, that on my mac, it's a bit 
> more clunky now.  I can't exactly yet totally explain in what way, but it has 
> more of a Safari feel to it, and a lot of my keystrokes like command+shift+H 
> for the store, command+num row 1 for music, etc. are not seeming to work 
> anymore.  It's really really kind of weird.  It's definitely going to take 
> some getting used to.  Especially knowing I now have to vo around the screen 
> a lot more than I used to.  Yeah, I could set up hotspots, which I might wind 
> up doing, but really?  Is this truly necessary, Apple?  Come on!
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Re: "Heading not found" when it should be in the music app

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I’ve discovered that too and to me its very frustrating.
I guess we will have to report this to apple.
/A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 02:24, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have found the following to be true on both my iPhone 6s and my iPad mini 
> two. This is running iOS 10. If you open the music app you are placed in my 
> library. Go to artists. In the phone, that's easy, just double tap on the 
> artists button. On the iPad, you have to deal with a pop up. But once you're 
> there, you will have a listing in a long column of all of the artists in your 
> library.  they are in alphabetical order, and each letter of the alphabet is 
> a heading, a, B, C, etc. However, if you try to navigate by heading by 
> setting the appropriate item in the rotor and flicking down, you are  
> unhelpfully informed that there aren't any headings. On the phone, I couldn't 
> find the table index at all. On my iPad, I did a three finger flick up to the 
> second page of artist listings, and found a table index there, which worked. 
> But I would frankly preferred to just flick I headings. I wonder why this is 
> not working. Seems like it should.
> Mary
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Re: Typing Echo and ChromeVox

[Kevin Chao]

Could you please check if Braille mode is on/off? This is in DOcs
accessibility settings menu.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:31 PM Joshua Tubbs  wrote:

> I’m using Mac OS. Could use Windows but why should I if it’s available on
> Mac?
> Also yes, I did get the “No Typing Echo” confirmation.
>
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Chris G 
> wrote:
> >
> > Did you  get the confirmation that the setting was changed, IE
> characters, characters and words, words etc.
> > Also did you have VoiceOver running at the same time?
> >
> > I just tried this under Windows Chrome and Chromevox and the keyboard
> echo was respected.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Grabowski
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> >  Original Message 
> > From: Joshua Tubbs
> > Sent: Monday, Sep 12, 2016 2:16 AM EST
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> > Subject: Typing Echo and ChromeVox
> >
> > I just tested it on a Google Docs document and no way to disable it
> there, or a workaround?
> > I just set it to no typing echo, but Google Docs still speaks typing
> echo.
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:04 AM, Chris G 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Try Chromevox+e then T you need to rotor through the settings. Depending
> on the setting you want, you may need to press chromevox+e, then T multiple
> times.
> > Chromevox+e, then T.
> > Chromevox+E, then T.
> > Chromevox+E then T.
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >
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> >  Original Message 
> > From: Joshua Tubbs
> > Sent: Monday, Sep 12, 2016 1:03 AM EST
> > To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
> > Subject: Typing Echo and ChromeVox
> >
> > Hi all,
> > So, I believe I am pressing it correctly, but I cannot get Typing Echo
> to turn off. The default classic keymap command is ChromeVox+E>T. That does
> nothing for me.
> > If that doesn’t work, what’s a good command I can change it to without
> conflicting with any other ChromeVox commands?
> > Thanks. I’ve found that Google Docs works best with ChromeVox, and if I
> wanna start writing, turning Typing Echo off is in order and I should be
> good.
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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[David Chittenden]

When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus, the 
enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or dots 1 5 
space bar.

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> On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in iOS.  
> When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my iphone, I am 
> not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url but then I can't seem 
> to get out of the text input box to activate the "go" button.  It happens to 
> me in other text fields to like for instance, when replying to an email.  
> What do I miss?  Is there a more comprehensive description somewhere how to 
> use a braille display to type text on iOS device?
> 
> Many thanks for any tips.
> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

 Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you so 
much.

Ramy moustafa saber
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faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is available 
> during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over during 
> install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a while a 
> new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again will 
> reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
> 
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if there 
>> are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will VoiceOver 
>> help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>> 
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Re: Here's another weird one for ya.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i have.
Very strange one.
/A
> On 16 Sep 2016, at 20:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> Have any of you noticed on iOS10, when making an outbound call, as soon as 
> the call is sent, sometimes, in fact fairly often, Voiceover will say: 
> incoming call?
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> It's the weirdest thing!
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[David Chittenden]

According to a website which took an iPhone 7 apart, the new taptic engine is a 
vertical only vibration motor, rather than one which spins.

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> On 19/09/2016, at 08:19, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> I agree Scott.  I suspect that the negative reaction--sighted and blind folks 
> alike--is something akin to the concerns about the removal of the phone jack, 
> i.e. apprehension of the unknown.  I imagine that once most people see how 
> similar the experience with the virtual button is, those concerns will go 
> away.
> Cheers,
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> It’s sort of striking how real it feels considering that’s a haptic response 
>> and not a real button.
>> 
>> I heard of objections about it on some of the mainstream media but I have to 
>> say I’m a fan.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was sceptical at first too about the new home button, but I really like 
>>> it in the 2 days I've had the phone.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
 Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does 
 make it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I 
> had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of 
> time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC 
> and controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period 
> to use it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the 
> capacitive buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even 
> physical identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press 
> and get that response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the 
> response is configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m 
> interested in what others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive 
> virtual button.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi David,

Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working for 
you.

I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in Screen-Away 
mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still pretty abysmal when 
in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just using screen away mode, so 
that isn't a huge deal.

I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot produce 
dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get the letter Y.  
I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  Wondering if you have 
an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem?  Again, it's not a 
deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be nice if I didn't have 
to.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
> 
> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with it 
> every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else which 
> is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it wrong, and 
> keep trying.
> 
> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each dot 
> under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires between 
> about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand and the 
> left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, you are 
> pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it gives any 
> combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping too quick 
> between your left and right hands.
> 
> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, and 
> my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration is 
> different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on which 
> braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second tap which 
> is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
> 
> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots to 
> your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to the 
> visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
> 
> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom edge 
> of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations on the 
> screen.
> 
> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you to 
> understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable as 
> performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get over 
> yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data entry which 
> does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly / at a 
> second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with charging or 
> pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available surface to 
> write on.
> 
> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down what 
> VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out what you 
> are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. Contracted 
> braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try to figure out 
> which contractions you are using to figure out what you are doing with your 
> fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away mode, and your 
> device.
> 
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> On 18/09/2016, at 09:12, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> This sounds very much like the problem I was first having when I tried it 
>> out this morning. However when I went back in and tried it a second time the 
>> problem seem to have corrected it self. I haven't spent a lot of time with 
>> it today but I have tried subsequently several times to use braille input 
>> and it worked every time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Alex Hall > 

Re: in public defense of those who beta test Apple software

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Totally agree with scot here.
What are people afraid of?
/A
> On 16 Sep 2016, at 13:52, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ray, nice try but I’ll believe the legal department of Fidelity way before 
> your assessment.  I was advised by my own legal team as well as my employer’s 
> legal team that discussion of the public beta was fine.  How much law school 
> do you have?
> 
> Full stop!
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:15 PM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> I may have only tested the public betas, but, I’m totally going to stand for 
>> Chris and the other Devs here who were always one step ahead of me.  IF not 
>> for their pioneering work on all this. what we have now might:  and indeed 
>> would be, much much more seriously flawed.  I think we who tested the public 
>> betas have something to say to this also, for you see, I was one of them and 
>> continue to be.  Now, I want to say something else that I feel is in 
>> connection with all this.  Some say we who test the public betas can in fact 
>> discuss what we find in public before the final release.  You could not be 
>> more in error!!!  Obviously, you don’t know what you are  talking about.  
>> Have you bothered to read the terms of agreement that all beta testers, (dev 
>> and public alike) must agree to?  No?  Well, permit me to summarize them for 
>> you.  We cannot say a thing about what we are finding.  We’re strictly 
>> forbidden to show you non testers in any way what it is we are working on.  
>> If you think you have so much to say, you either pay the developer fee or 
>> test the public beta.  Until then, shut up!  I’m coming out here in such 
>> strong defense of dev and public beta testers because I have gone through 
>> just about an entire summer of putting up with idiotic fools whoo have NO 
>> respect for non disclosure agreements and the seriousness with which such 
>> things MUST be taken.  True, not everyone on this list is like that:  in 
>> fact, I suspect that most on this particular list understand my point of 
>> view on this matter.  But on VORail, (yes I am being specific about the 
>> place where most of this stupidity lives) it seemed to reign supreme.  I’m 
>> sure I speak for Chris and the other devs and for the other public beta 
>> testers here when I say that when we say we cannot discuss something, you’d 
>> damn well better take us seriously because we damn well take Apple’s non 
>> disclosure agreements very very seriously.  If stupid sighted people on 
>> podcasts can’t be bother to take such things seriously and go  blabbing 
>> about what they find, that’s their problem.  Also, frankly, it’s not much 
>> help to us if Apple doesn’t enforce their own non disclosure agreements.  
>> Well, let the rest blab if they want to:  I, for my part, will NOT.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, Cheree.  that was profoundly disrespectful, not to mention 
>>> downright insulting to us devs, me being one of them.  Let me tell you 
>>> something.  We devs did! try getting on Apple about stuff like this.  I did 
>>> so in iOS 9, and I even more so did in this iOS 10 update beta cycle.  
>>> Trust me.  I was on the 10 beta from June 30th, when it was announced at 
>>> WWDC until now.  I've ever since had at least one of my devices on 10.
>>>  
>>> I've reported bug after bug after bug to them.  I've worked countless hours 
>>> to the sweat of my brow! trying to explain these things to them, but no 
>>> sollution was ever made.  So don't be putting the blame on us devs, OK?  
>>> We've done our damdest! to make this new version of OSX, TVOS, Watch OS, 
>>> and iOS as  wonderful as possible.  The thing is, once we make the bug 
>>> reports through the bugreporter bug tracker, we really don't then have much 
>>> of a say past that point.  If Apple fixes it, great, if not, well, we've 
>>> done our parts by reporting it.
>>>  
>>> Now, if us devs just saw the bug and ignored it, then therefore it was 
>>> released buggy, then, I'd totally give this message to you, but, hunttauhh. 
>>>  I'm not lettin' you have this.  I'm sorry.  Us devs deserve more credit, 
>>> and respect!  We really, really really did try!
>>>  
>>> Can another person on this list who's a dev and paid the 99 for the iOS 10 
>>> cycle please speak up and advocate for us all here as well?  This is just 
>>> wrong!
>>> ---
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>>> Training Instructor.
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>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
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 From: Cheree Heppe 

Changing VO key to CapsLock only

[Jeff Wheatley]

You can set this in the VoiceOver Utility, but nothing I have tried makes the 
setting stick.  It always reverts back to CapsLock and Control + Option.  Has 
anyone successfully changed the VO key to CapsLock only?  If yes, what was the 
secret of your success?

Thanks and regards, Jeff

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Re: Audio of my iPhone 7 Plus unboxing/familiarisation

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
I don’t see the need of getting a new phone evry year.
But ok i have the Iphone SE and still love it.
Except the slow fingerprint reader.
/A
> On 16 Sep 2016, at 13:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Mary, you had to be one of the cool kids and get the black model.:)
> 
> I heard it’s back ordered until October, true?
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh good. Looking forward to it. Even though my phone is a few weeks away.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, following on from our wrap of last week's Apple event, this 
>>> week's episode of The Blind Side Podcast features a comprehensive unboxing, 
>>> setting up, and then exploration of the new iPhone 7 Plus.
>>> If you'd like to take a listen, subscribe to The Blind Side Podcast in any 
>>> good podcatcher, or you can hear it on Sound Cloud via this URL.
>>> https://soundcloud.com/theblindsidepodcast/episode6 
>>> 
>>> Hope you find it interesting.
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[Donna Goodin]

I agree Scott.  I suspect that the negative reaction--sighted and blind folks 
alike--is something akin to the concerns about the removal of the phone jack, 
i.e. apprehension of the unknown.  I imagine that once most people see how 
similar the experience with the virtual button is, those concerns will go away.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> It’s sort of striking how real it feels considering that’s a haptic response 
> and not a real button.
> 
> I heard of objections about it on some of the mainstream media but I have to 
> say I’m a fan.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was sceptical at first too about the new home button, but I really like it 
>> in the 2 days I've had the phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
>>> Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does 
>>> make it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I 
 had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of 
 time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC 
 and controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period 
 to use it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the 
 capacitive buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even 
 physical identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press 
 and get that response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the 
 response is configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m interested 
 in what others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive virtual button.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Brent Harding]

I wonder now with this two factor stuff on iOS, how would one upgrade to a 
new phone since it appears that you need both the old and new active with 
cellular connectivity to do it? My lease is coming up in November, and I 
plan on upgrading, but I don't want to end up locking myself out of my Apple 
ID for good doing it.


- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud


You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my 
request cannot be completed at this time.

Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave 
my dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t 
work and when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from 
iCloud.  I had to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That 
was my work around anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems 
with changes sticking in cloud like my unlock with watch option.


Wonder if something is sideways at apple?


On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what 
the answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that 
I'm not getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me 
I've made too many attempts to answer the questions.

Thanks,
Donna

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Re: battery issue after IOS update

[Scott Granados]

I notice for example the battery drain at home on my airport Extreme AC access 
point is higher than when I join the WiFi network at work.

That’s why I was thinking that might be worth looking at.  Also if you use WiFi 
calling that may be the source of some drain.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Scott,
>  
> No big changes and yes off and on tried a couple of times.
>  
> Have however changed back to a different wifi router as new one was a pain in 
> the A.
>  
> Now you’ve got me wondering about that, although I didn’t notice it being a 
> problem a few weeks back when I had it working.
>  
> Something to look at though.
>  
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 2:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: battery issue after IOS update
>  
> Hi Simon, I have not experienced this personally but I have heard of there 
> being issues on IOS 10 after update.  You might try a restart but I’m sure 
> you’ve tried all that obvious stuff.  Anything else change like you recently 
> update to 802.11AC or something?  I have heard of the problem though but I 
> haven’t experienced it so not sure the fix.
>  
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Morning list,
>  
> Just wondering if anyone else is noticing more of a battery drain on their 
> device after IOS 10 updated to?
>  
> I’ve got the 6+ and a iPad mini 4 after 36 hours for my iPad it’s down to 
> just above 50% charge and the phone since this morning is down to 74% which 
> is a lot more  useage than nromal
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Re: I need help with backing up my iphone on the mac

[Scott Granados]

Very good point E.T. this is important to do also if you lose your mac your 
phone data won’t be compromised.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:28 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Keep in mind the non encrypted backup will not backup important data. So 
> its worth creating a password and remembering what it is.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> 
> On 9/18/2016 12:58 AM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
>> Hi Elayneh! How are you? So you just need to connect your phone,dn it
>> will open iTunes automatically if you have it se t that way. So when you
>> hav eit connected to the mac, just do Vo right arrow or left arrow
>> tonavigate to where it says the name of you riPhne. the name of your
>> iPhone it iwill be pop up button, which you need to do Vo space bar and
>> it wil open the options fo ryou, Aftr you do vo space bar, you ned to
>> find something that says Scroll area. You need to interact with it, by
>> doing vO shift down arrow, adn you wil find option sof you riPhone, nd i
>> twill say all yoru iPhne summary, hen i will give you options to back up
>> adn so on. You will find back button, yyou just need to double tap on it
>> to back up your iphone. However, before you double tap on it, make sure
>> you selecte the option to back up to the computer instead o of iCloud k?
>> Once you have you have check, then yu can double tap on back up. There
>> is two ways to back up. You can do an incripted uback up whre you ned to
>> put a password, or you cando a manual back up and so on. I recommen dyou
>> the manual bsck up since the incripted back up, you ned to create a
>> password, dn you can forget it. Hope hit shelps some@ I fyou need more
>> help with this let us know! I look forward in hearing from you soon.
>> Thanks and God bless!
>> 
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>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:44 AM, elayneh > > wrote:
>> 
>>> can someone give me instructions on backing up my iphone. the problem
>>> is I don't know where or how to find the area to do the backup. I also
>>> need to nknow wich commands to use.I am using l capitain . thanks
>>> 
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T-Mobile new customer plans was Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Scott Granados]

Yes, the one plan I think it’s called or something like that.  They have very 
aggressive pricing and have been providing a lot of downward price pressure.  I 
have a plan that’s two lines for 100 unlimited usage but unfortunately it’s no 
longer available.  They keep trying to offer me a new plan and I refuse to 
change.  I even tried giving Mary on list the plan name and she had no luck 
either.  The new packages are pretty good though.  Also remember Metro PCS is 
the same network and it looks, from the phone settings anyway, that it’s the 
same level of access to the network.  I can’t tell if there’s differences 
behind the scenes but the packet settings and 4G host name is the same 
fast.t-mobile.net  address.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> have you seen the new offer they have?  You can get unlimited everything on 4 
> lines for just 140 bucks a month, as long as you sign up for easy pay.  I 
> have seriously thought about it, but I like paying my bill when I feel like 
> it, not a certain day.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh ok, because I know a few guys who worked for the Sling box folks, they 
>> were in San Francisco or near by and they seemed like good guys.  I rode on 
>> the train every day with a fellow who worked there so I would have been 
>> surprised.  The fact it’s a part of dish network says a lot.  Charley Urgan 
>> (or how ever you spell his last name) is a well I can’t use the word let’s 
>> just say scumbag so it’s list safe and understand I meant the word for a 
>> female dog.  He has no respect for good business practices so why should he 
>> treat accessibility any differently.  I probably won’t use the app now 
>> either simply because it’s part of Dish network.  If T-mobile ever merged 
>> with Dish network like has been speculated I’d leave T-Mobile as well.  
>> Here’s hoping they don’t because I like the way things are done now.  (Even 
>> though they abused Ricardo Walker and the other jump customers which does 
>> give me pause)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, sling box is more of a DVR access from home service, slingTV is owned 
>>> by dish network.  2 totally different services.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Are these the same folks from sling media who make the sling box?  I have 
 a contact there if it is I’ll be happy to raise hell if we’re being 
 treated that badly.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
> 
> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about 
> accessibility of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, 
> whether I can find a way or not.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app 
> for your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in 
> school, or how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, 
> at least for me anyway.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
>> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to 
>> ya.  LOL! Better you than me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in 
>> to the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what 
>> channels i like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch 
>> the live feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so 
>> if I need to find them I can.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
>>> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
>>> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to 
>>> do it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to 
>>> care at all about the accessibility side of it.
>>> 

Re: watch os 3 powering off

[Scott Granados]

Just so you know, if you need to test 911 services you can legally very easily 
and the watch would qualify.

What we do in the phone game if we’re going to test 911 on the service or a new 
customer install which we have to do is dial 911 first, tell the operator 
you’re testing some communications equipment for the next X minutes and please 
do not dispatch the call or dedicate any time to them.  Then when you do the 
test you again say that you’re testing per your last call, the test is 
successful and there will be no more testing.  Then they put you back in to a 
normal state where they will respond.  Note *** Note ***  Highly important, you 
can not call 911 and hang up first before someone answers.  Your address and 
other data is still sent to the 911 operator and they will dispatch calling it 
a repeated 911 call with no answer from X location.  You’ll have police show up 
guns drawn.  I learned this one the hard way. Luckily I provided phone service 
to the sheriff’s department in our county and they new me.:)  What you might 
also want to do first is call the non emergency number for your local police 
and ask if there’s a special procedure for testing E911 services.  If not just 
do what I said above and you’ll be in the clear and won’t have any problems.  
Also note that the SOS service does work around the world and the replacement 
for 911 in the host country will automatically be selected, 999 for the UK and 
so forth.

Happy dialing.



> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Me neither!
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Don’t think so but could be wrong and no not trying it for the hell of it 
>> .
>>> On 15 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the SOS feature only for the US?  I’m buying my watch series 2 tomorrow 
>>> and hope the watch is faster than the last Generation.  I’m going to the 
>>> Apple store and am going to hold my caine out to see if I can get in front 
>>> of the queue.
 On 14 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong there.:)
 
 That sounds a little dicy to me.  “911, how may I help you?”  “I’m sorry I 
 was trying to power down my watch, no really I’m fine, nobody is here, I’m 
 just trying to reset my watch”  “Ok ok, I’ll open the door and let the 
 officer in to check” ;)
 
 As someone who has to test 911 calls for SIP phones from time to time 
 that’s a real eye opener when you dial 911 and think you hang up before 
 the call completes and 5 minutes later police are pulling up in your 
 parking lot looking for the guy calling 911. haha
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sarai, you press it long enough to invoke the power off screen, but 
> not so long that it invokes the SOS function.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 15/09/2016, at 3:07 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I know the long press of friends button use to power off the watch, and 
>> now it starts SOS. How do you turn off the watch now?
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

have you seen the new offer they have?  You can get unlimited everything on 4 
lines for just 140 bucks a month, as long as you sign up for easy pay.  I have 
seriously thought about it, but I like paying my bill when I feel like it, not 
a certain day.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh ok, because I know a few guys who worked for the Sling box folks, they 
> were in San Francisco or near by and they seemed like good guys.  I rode on 
> the train every day with a fellow who worked there so I would have been 
> surprised.  The fact it’s a part of dish network says a lot.  Charley Urgan 
> (or how ever you spell his last name) is a well I can’t use the word let’s 
> just say scumbag so it’s list safe and understand I meant the word for a 
> female dog.  He has no respect for good business practices so why should he 
> treat accessibility any differently.  I probably won’t use the app now either 
> simply because it’s part of Dish network.  If T-mobile ever merged with Dish 
> network like has been speculated I’d leave T-Mobile as well.  Here’s hoping 
> they don’t because I like the way things are done now.  (Even though they 
> abused Ricardo Walker and the other jump customers which does give me pause)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> No, sling box is more of a DVR access from home service, slingTV is owned by 
>> dish network.  2 totally different services.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are these the same folks from sling media who make the sling box?  I have a 
>>> contact there if it is I’ll be happy to raise hell if we’re being treated 
>>> that badly.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
 
 It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about 
 accessibility of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, 
 whether I can find a way or not.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
 
 Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app 
 for your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in 
 school, or how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, 
 at least for me anyway.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya. 
>  LOL! Better you than me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels 
> i like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
> feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need 
> to find them I can.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
>> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
>> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
>> it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
>> at all about the accessibility side of it.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on 
>> the AppleTV.
>> 
>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
>> for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
>> takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>> 
>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>> 
>> Brandonthe
>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Scott Granados]

Oh ok, because I know a few guys who worked for the Sling box folks, they were 
in San Francisco or near by and they seemed like good guys.  I rode on the 
train every day with a fellow who worked there so I would have been surprised.  
The fact it’s a part of dish network says a lot.  Charley Urgan (or how ever 
you spell his last name) is a well I can’t use the word let’s just say scumbag 
so it’s list safe and understand I meant the word for a female dog.  He has no 
respect for good business practices so why should he treat accessibility any 
differently.  I probably won’t use the app now either simply because it’s part 
of Dish network.  If T-mobile ever merged with Dish network like has been 
speculated I’d leave T-Mobile as well.  Here’s hoping they don’t because I like 
the way things are done now.  (Even though they abused Ricardo Walker and the 
other jump customers which does give me pause)

 

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> No, sling box is more of a DVR access from home service, slingTV is owned by 
> dish network.  2 totally different services.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Are these the same folks from sling media who make the sling box?  I have a 
>> contact there if it is I’ll be happy to raise hell if we’re being treated 
>> that badly.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
>>> of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can 
>>> find a way or not.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
>>> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
>>> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
>>> me anyway.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
 counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  
 LOL! Better you than me.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
 Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
 
 
 It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
 the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
 like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
 feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
 find them I can.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
> it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
> at all about the accessibility side of it.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
> 
> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
> AppleTV.
> 
> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
> for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
> takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> 
> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> 
> Brandonthe
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[Scott Granados]

It’s sort of striking how real it feels considering that’s a haptic response 
and not a real button.

I heard of objections about it on some of the mainstream media but I have to 
say I’m a fan.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
> 
> I was sceptical at first too about the new home button, but I really like it 
> in the 2 days I've had the phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
>> Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does make 
>> it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I 
>>> had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of 
>>> time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC and 
>>> controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period to use 
>>> it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the capacitive 
>>> buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even physical 
>>> identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press and get that 
>>> response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the response is 
>>> configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m interested in what 
>>> others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive virtual button.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

No, sling box is more of a DVR access from home service, slingTV is owned by 
dish network.  2 totally different services.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Are these the same folks from sling media who make the sling box?  I have a 
> contact there if it is I’ll be happy to raise hell if we’re being treated 
> that badly.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
>> 
>> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
>> of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can 
>> find a way or not.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
>> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
>> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
>> me anyway.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
>>> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  
>>> LOL! Better you than me.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>> feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
>>> find them I can.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
 Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
 and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
 it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
 at all about the accessibility side of it.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
 
 To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
 AppleTV.
 
 However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
 me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
 back to the home screen of AppleTV.
 
 Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
 
 Brandonthe
 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You count over how many times you arrow around the screen.  Kind a like 
you'd do on other devices that require menu scrolling with no speech.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 

To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV


How do you figure out which number is which channel?

On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app 
for your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in 
school, or how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, 
at least for me anyway.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya. 
LOL! Better you than me.

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- Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV


It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels 
i like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need 
to find them I can.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
at all about the accessibility side of it.

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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV


Hi everyone,

I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on 
the AppleTV.


However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.


Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?

Brandonthe

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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Agreed 100%.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew McKay" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: SlingTV on AppleTV


It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can 
find a way or not.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller

Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
me anyway.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya. 
LOL! Better you than me.

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- Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV


It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
find them I can.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
at all about the accessibility side of it.

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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV


Hi everyone,

I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
AppleTV.


However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.


Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?

Brandonthe

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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Again, I respect your opinion, but it's just not something I want to fool 
with.  If things are not at least somewhat labeled, I don't screw with it. 
I don't mind labeling things, sidenote, the apple TV can't, but there comes 
a point where if things are labeled poorly enough, I'll just move on to 
something else.


Anyway, sorry, man, but I'm gonna respectfully disagree on this one.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kliphton Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV


Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
me anyway.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya. 
LOL! Better you than me.

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i...@gillandmarketing.com
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- Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV


It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
find them I can.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
at all about the accessibility side of it.

---
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i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV


Hi everyone,

I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
AppleTV.


However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.


Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?

Brandonthe

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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Scott Granados]

Are these the same folks from sling media who make the sling box?  I have a 
contact there if it is I’ll be happy to raise hell if we’re being treated that 
badly.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
> 
> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
> of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can find 
> a way or not.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
> anyway.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
>> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! 
>> Better you than me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. 
>> There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find 
>> them I can.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>>> the accessibility side of it.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
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>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>> 
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>> AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>> 
>>> Brandonthe
>>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

your choice, but since I am a court cutter, I don’t have the option to 
switching on my cable box.  If it weren’t for my daughter working for comcast, 
I would miss out on a lot.  But since she does, I get pretty much everything a 
cable subscriber gets, for half the cost.  I pay 40 bucks a month for sling, 
and nothing for HBO, show time, stars, or the network channel apps like ESPN, 
TLC, discovery, and a few others that all have live channels.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
> 
> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
> of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can find 
> a way or not.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
> anyway.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
>> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! 
>> Better you than me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. 
>> There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find 
>> them I can.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>>> the accessibility side of it.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>> 
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>> AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>> 
>>> Brandonthe
>>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

I know the programing, and if you let voiceover read the info about the show, 
it will tell you what network it is on.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> How do you figure out which number is which channel?
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
>> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
>> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
>> me anyway.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
>>> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  
>>> LOL! Better you than me.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>> feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
>>> find them I can.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
 Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
 and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
 it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
 at all about the accessibility side of it.
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 Training Instructor.
 
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 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
 
 To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
 AppleTV.
 
 However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
 me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
 back to the home screen of AppleTV.
 
 Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kevin Chao]

Sling TV app on APple TV 4th gen and iPhone is one that I've found to be
difficult and confusing. Due to lack of accessibility and content, I've
given up on it.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 12:10 PM Kliphton Miller 
wrote:

> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app
> for your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school,
> or how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least
> for me anyway.
> > On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on
> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.
> LOL! Better you than me.
> > ---
> > Christopher Gilland
> > JAWS Certified, 2016.
> > Training Instructor.
> >
> > i...@gillandmarketing.com
> > Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> > - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" <
> kliph...@icloud.com>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> >
> >
> > It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in
> to the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels
> i like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live
> feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to
> find them I can.
> >> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.
> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and
> they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for
> me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all
> about the accessibility side of it.
> >> ---
> >> Christopher Gilland
> >> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> >> Training Instructor.
> >>
> >> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> >> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> >> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <
> thepianist2...@gmail.com>
> >> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
> >> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on
> the AppleTV.
> >>
> >> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing
> for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes
> me back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> >>
> >> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> >>
> >> Brandonthe
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

I have only tried a few, and non of them have crashed yet.  And I don’t use on 
now.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Okay, now some channels are working for me. But others immediately crash the 
> app. And I can’t use “On Now” at all.
> 
> Are you having the same issue?
> 
> Brandon
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> It was doing that to me yesterday, working for me as we speak.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but the moment I go to Guide, it closes the app. Have you updated the 
>>> app lately? I’m thinking it’s due to the latest version.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
 
 It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
 the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
 like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
 feed.  There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need 
 to find them I can.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  
> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
> it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
> at all about the accessibility side of it.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
> 
> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
> AppleTV.
> 
> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
> for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
> takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> 
> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> 
> Brandonthe
> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Brandon A. Olivares]

How do you figure out which number is which channel?
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
> anyway.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
>> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! 
>> Better you than me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. 
>> There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find 
>> them I can.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>>> the accessibility side of it.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>> 
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>> AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>> 
>>> Brandonthe
>>> 
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RE: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Andrew McKay]

It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility of 
the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can find a 
way or not.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or how 
many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
anyway.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! Better 
> you than me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
> guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
> for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. There 
> are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I 
> can.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>> the accessibility side of it.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>> AppleTV.
>> 
>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>> 
>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>> 
>> Brandonthe
>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Hi,

Okay, now some channels are working for me. But others immediately crash the 
app. And I can’t use “On Now” at all.

Are you having the same issue?

Brandon
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> It was doing that to me yesterday, working for me as we speak.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, but the moment I go to Guide, it closes the app. Have you updated the 
>> app lately? I’m thinking it’s due to the latest version.
>> 
>> Brandon
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>> feed.  There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
>>> find them I can.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  
 Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
 and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
 it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
 at all about the accessibility side of it.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
 
 To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
 AppleTV.
 
 However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
 me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
 back to the home screen of AppleTV.
 
 Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
 
 Brandonthe
 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or how 
many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
anyway.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! Better 
> you than me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
> guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
> for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. There 
> are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I 
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
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>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
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>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
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>> 
>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>> 
>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>> 
>> Brandonthe
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Re: Head of Google groups management.

[Donna Goodin]

Weird.  I didn't see a message from Kawal.  Hope all has been worked out.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like it was worked out Donna, I was going to say something similar but 
> it looks like Kawal closed the thread.
> 
> Hopefully, all is good.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> I've avoided getting involved with this thread, but I think everyone is 
>> missing the point.
>> 
>> Mark is right.  He and Cara have no authority or control over behavior 
>> off-list.  Kawal, I'm sorry if someone is bullying you off-list, but that is 
>> between you and that person.  Until that person does something on-list, 
>> there's just not much Mark or Cara can do.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> His email is included in all of his posts if you need to find it in the 
>>> mean time.  Mark’s a helpful responsive fellow I’m sure a direct mail will 
>>> also work.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Phil Halton > wrote:
 
 Mark, the footer information on every message invites me to contact the 
 moderator and even tells me your name, but there is no link to address 
 you. There is a link to Cara Quinn, but not to the list moderator i.e., 
 you. Can you please include some kind of link to address you in the footer 
 rather than just giving us your name. Thank you.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
> Hi Kawal,
> You mean off the mac visionaries list?
> 
> I would think Mark and Cara would be on to this type of behaviour  if it 
> was known of!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 10:38 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Head of Google groups management.
> 
> Does anyone know how to get hold of head of Google groups management? 
> Just that someone is trying to bully me on this list. And I want to get 
> that person off this list, as the moderators sit and do nothing.
> 
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Re: using iCloud on new iPhone 7

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Mark,

tim was right, it happened because I activated keychain on my new phone.  So, I 
went in and selected enter security code.  The code was texted to my new 
iPhone, and I then entered it.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Can you please list the steps you took to resolve this issue?  
> 
> I'm a little confused as to how you succeeded.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: using iCloud on new iPhone 7
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks, this did the trick.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This can also happen if KeyChain is enabled in your iCloud services.  Using 
>> iCloud from System Preferences on your Mac, you can reset this security code 
>> and ensure that it is enabled on your Mac as well.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:49, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> This is probably triggered by 2 factor authentication, not 2 step 
>> barification.  Do you still have your old device?  That’s probably where it 
>> sent it.  Or what about your iCloud security code?  One of these may work.  
>> Otherwise you may have to log in to iCloud on your mac, and disable it and 
>> then set it up again when finished proving it on your new phone.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just got a notification on my phone that to continue using iCloud on it, I 
>>> need to either confirm a notification that was supposedly sent to another 
>>> device, or enter the iCloud security code.  I see no notification on my 
>>> Mac, so how do I get the security code?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Head of Google groups management.

[Scott Granados]

Sounds like it was worked out Donna, I was going to say something similar but 
it looks like Kawal closed the thread.

Hopefully, all is good.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I've avoided getting involved with this thread, but I think everyone is 
> missing the point.
> 
> Mark is right.  He and Cara have no authority or control over behavior 
> off-list.  Kawal, I'm sorry if someone is bullying you off-list, but that is 
> between you and that person.  Until that person does something on-list, 
> there's just not much Mark or Cara can do.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> His email is included in all of his posts if you need to find it in the mean 
>> time.  Mark’s a helpful responsive fellow I’m sure a direct mail will also 
>> work.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark, the footer information on every message invites me to contact the 
>>> moderator and even tells me your name, but there is no link to address you. 
>>> There is a link to Cara Quinn, but not to the list moderator i.e., you. Can 
>>> you please include some kind of link to address you in the footer rather 
>>> than just giving us your name. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:06 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kawal,
 You mean off the mac visionaries list?
 
 I would think Mark and Cara would be on to this type of behaviour  if it 
 was known of!
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 10:38 AM
 To: Macvisionaries >
 Subject: Head of Google groups management.
 
 Does anyone know how to get hold of head of Google groups management? Just 
 that someone is trying to bully me on this list. And I want to get that 
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Re: using iCloud on new iPhone 7

[Scott Granados]

If you have a trusted number set up you should be able to have a text with a 6 
digit code sent to your trusted number.

Sounds like 2factor or keychain behavior.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks, this did the trick.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This can also happen if KeyChain is enabled in your iCloud services.  Using 
>> iCloud from System Preferences on your Mac, you can reset this security code 
>> and ensure that it is enabled on your Mac as well.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:49, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> This is probably triggered by 2 factor authentication, not 2 step 
>> barification.  Do you still have your old device?  That’s probably where it 
>> sent it.  Or what about your iCloud security code?  One of these may work.  
>> Otherwise you may have to log in to iCloud on your mac, and disable it and 
>> then set it up again when finished proving it on your new phone.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just got a notification on my phone that to continue using iCloud on it, I 
>>> need to either confirm a notification that was supposedly sent to another 
>>> device, or enter the iCloud security code.  I see no notification on my 
>>> Mac, so how do I get the security code?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Head of Google groups management.

[Donna Goodin]

I've avoided getting involved with this thread, but I think everyone is missing 
the point.

Mark is right.  He and Cara have no authority or control over behavior 
off-list.  Kawal, I'm sorry if someone is bullying you off-list, but that is 
between you and that person.  Until that person does something on-list, there's 
just not much Mark or Cara can do.
Best,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> His email is included in all of his posts if you need to find it in the mean 
> time.  Mark’s a helpful responsive fellow I’m sure a direct mail will also 
> work.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, the footer information on every message invites me to contact the 
>> moderator and even tells me your name, but there is no link to address you. 
>> There is a link to Cara Quinn, but not to the list moderator i.e., you. Can 
>> you please include some kind of link to address you in the footer rather 
>> than just giving us your name. Thank you.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> You mean off the mac visionaries list?
>>> 
>>> I would think Mark and Cara would be on to this type of behaviour  if it 
>>> was known of!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 10:38 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: Head of Google groups management.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know how to get hold of head of Google groups management? Just 
>>> that someone is trying to bully me on this list. And I want to get that 
>>> person off this list, as the moderators sit and do nothing.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: using iCloud on new iPhone 7

[M. Taylor]

Hello Donna,

Can you please list the steps you took to resolve this issue?  

I'm a little confused as to how you succeeded.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: using iCloud on new iPhone 7

Hi Tim,

Thanks, this did the trick.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This can also happen if KeyChain is enabled in your iCloud services.  Using 
> iCloud from System Preferences on your Mac, you can reset this security code 
> and ensure that it is enabled on your Mac as well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:49, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> This is probably triggered by 2 factor authentication, not 2 step 
> barification.  Do you still have your old device?  That’s probably where it 
> sent it.  Or what about your iCloud security code?  One of these may work.  
> Otherwise you may have to log in to iCloud on your mac, and disable it and 
> then set it up again when finished proving it on your new phone.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just got a notification on my phone that to continue using iCloud on it, I 
>> need to either confirm a notification that was supposedly sent to another 
>> device, or enter the iCloud security code.  I see no notification on my Mac, 
>> so how do I get the security code?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Head of Google groups management.

[Scott Granados]

His email is included in all of his posts if you need to find it in the mean 
time.  Mark’s a helpful responsive fellow I’m sure a direct mail will also work.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Mark, the footer information on every message invites me to contact the 
> moderator and even tells me your name, but there is no link to address you. 
> There is a link to Cara Quinn, but not to the list moderator i.e., you. Can 
> you please include some kind of link to address you in the footer rather than 
> just giving us your name. Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
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>> Hi Kawal,
>> You mean off the mac visionaries list?
>> 
>> I would think Mark and Cara would be on to this type of behaviour  if it was 
>> known of!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 10:38 AM
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>> Subject: Head of Google groups management.
>> 
>> Does anyone know how to get hold of head of Google groups management? Just 
>> that someone is trying to bully me on this list. And I want to get that 
>> person off this list, as the moderators sit and do nothing.
>> 
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

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I'm trying that now, but can't seem to find Devices.
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I think Apple is a little slammed by the new business.  Might want to try the 
> web from a laptop or desktop instead of the phone.  THat’s what did it for 
> me.  Probably different systems.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
>> enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my 
>> request cannot be completed at this time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave my 
>>> dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t work 
>>> and when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from iCloud.  
>>> I had to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That was my work 
>>> around anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems with changes 
>>> sticking in cloud like my unlock with watch option.
>>> 
>>> Wonder if something is sideways at apple?
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
 this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what 
 the answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that 
 I'm not getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me 
 I've made too many attempts to answer the questions.
 Thanks,
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Scott Granados]

No time, things that busy in prison inmate?

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! Better 
> you than me.
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> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
> guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
> for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. There 
> are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I 
> can.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>> the accessibility side of it.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>> AppleTV.
>> 
>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>> 
>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>> 
>> Brandonthe
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Scott Granados]

I think Apple is a little slammed by the new business.  Might want to try the 
web from a laptop or desktop instead of the phone.  THat’s what did it for me.  
Probably different systems.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
> enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my request 
> cannot be completed at this time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave my 
>> dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t work and 
>> when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from iCloud.  I had 
>> to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That was my work around 
>> anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems with changes 
>> sticking in cloud like my unlock with watch option.
>> 
>> Wonder if something is sideways at apple?
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
>>> this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what the 
>>> answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that I'm 
>>> not getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me I've 
>>> made too many attempts to answer the questions.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! 
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From: "Kliphton Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV


It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. 
There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find 
them I can.
On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
at all about the accessibility side of it.

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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV


Hi everyone,

I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
AppleTV.


However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
back to the home screen of AppleTV.


Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?

Brandonthe

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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Hmm, I’ll have to try again. Thanks.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> It was doing that to me yesterday, working for me as we speak.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
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>> Yes, but the moment I go to Guide, it closes the app. Have you updated the 
>> app lately? I’m thinking it’s due to the latest version.
>> 
>> Brandon
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>> feed.  There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
>>> find them I can.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  
 Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
 and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
 it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
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 - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
 
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 Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
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 However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
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 back to the home screen of AppleTV.
 
 Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

It was doing that to me yesterday, working for me as we speak.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but the moment I go to Guide, it closes the app. Have you updated the 
> app lately? I’m thinking it’s due to the latest version.
> 
> Brandon
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. 
>>  There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find 
>> them I can.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  
>>> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and 
>>> they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for 
>>> me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all 
>>> about the accessibility side of it.
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>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
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>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>> 
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>> AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>> 
>>> Brandonthe
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Donna Goodin]

You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my request 
cannot be completed at this time.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave my 
> dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t work and 
> when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from iCloud.  I had 
> to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That was my work around 
> anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems with changes sticking 
> in cloud like my unlock with watch option.
> 
> Wonder if something is sideways at apple?
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
>> this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what the 
>> answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that I'm not 
>> getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me I've made 
>> too many attempts to answer the questions.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Head of Google groups management.

[Bill Gallik]

I would think, like all Google groups, there is a designated moderator email 
address. That address is as follows:

macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com



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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I, too, agree with Phil on this entirely.  We've all been asking this for 
> quite some time now.  It really would help!
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> - Original Message -
> From: Phil Halton
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Head of Google groups management.
> 
> Mark, the footer information on every message invites me to contact the 
> moderator and even tells me your name, but there is no link to address you. 
> There is a link to Cara Quinn, but not to the list moderator i.e., you. Can 
> you please include some kind of link to address you in the footer rather than 
> just giving us your name. Thank you.
> 
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> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>> Hi Kawal,
>> You mean off the mac visionaries list?
>> 
>> I would think Mark and Cara would be on to this type of behaviour  if it was 
>> known of!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 10:38 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Head of Google groups management.
>> 
>> Does anyone know how to get hold of head of Google groups management? Just 
>> that someone is trying to bully me on this list. And I want to get that 
>> person off this list, as the moderators sit and do nothing.
>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Yes, but the moment I go to Guide, it closes the app. Have you updated the app 
lately? I’m thinking it’s due to the latest version.

Brandon
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
> guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
> for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed.  There 
> are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I 
> can.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  Totally 
>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>> the accessibility side of it.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>> AppleTV.
>> 
>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>> 
>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>> 
>> Brandonthe
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed.  There 
are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I can.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  Totally 
> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
> the accessibility side of it.
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
> 
> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
> AppleTV.
> 
> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> 
> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> 
> Brandonthe
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is available 
during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over during install 
and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a while a new phase 
may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again will reactivate with out 
issue.  (this does not always happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all  people
> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if there 
> are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will VoiceOver 
> help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
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> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
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