Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

[Raymond Foret Jr]

I just use it like this.  When I’m in the all inboxes selection, and I want to 
read messages there, I just tab over to the message table and I’m there.  I 
should point out that I have preview set for five lines.  I’m not talking about 
the preview pain here.  YOu get rid of the preview pain the way Herbe described 
and it works like a charm.  I also have my messages set so that they are in 
assending order going down from the top and I did that in the view menu.  
When I want to look at my sent folder, all I kneed to do is just 
shift+tab over to the mail boxes table and arrow down to it then tab over right 
in to it and I’m there.  Want to get back to the all inbox selection?  Just 
shift+tab back to the mail box table and then up to the inbox then tab right 
over.

I’m using the latest in Ventura and, to the best of my knowledge, not using the 
classic view.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user

> On Dec 28, 2022, at 1:24 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> How can I close either panels, please?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 6:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?
>  
> Wow, this is compicated to explain. The vo:j command jumps between major 
> areas of a window. In mail if you have both the messages panel and maibboxes 
> panel open, it skips one of the panels, and just jumps between toolbar, 
> mailboxes and message list. So, you can close the, mailboxes panel, or create 
> a hotspot for the message panel.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the 
>> subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.
>> Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is 
>> not reading the text of the message.
>> How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?
>> Thanks!
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RE: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

[Fazil M.]

How can I close either panels, please?

Thanks!

 

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Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

 

Wow, this is compicated to explain. The vo:j command jumps between major areas 
of a window. In mail if you have both the messages panel and maibboxes panel 
open, it skips one of the panels, and just jumps between toolbar, mailboxes and 
message list. So, you can close the, mailboxes panel, or create a hotspot for 
the message panel.

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 27, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the 
subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.

Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is 
not reading the text of the message.

How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?

Thanks!

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Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Wow, this is compicated to explain. The vo:j command jumps between major areas of a window. In mail if you have both the messages panel and maibboxes panel open, it skips one of the panels, and just jumps between toolbar, mailboxes and message list. So, you can close the, mailboxes panel, or create a hotspot for the message panel.    Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 27, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
Hi, Group.When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is not reading the text of the message.How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?Thanks!before



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Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

[Herbie Allen]

I just hit entr on the message and Command W to close. 

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 20:09, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the 
> subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.
> Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is 
> not reading the text of the message.
> How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?
> Thanks!
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Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the
subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.

Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is
not reading the text of the message.

How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?

Thanks!

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Re: signature in mail question

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Nope.  Ain’t used any of that.  Sorry.


> On May 26, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Hey barefoot Ray, I see from your signature that you use Verizon Wireless. On 
> a completely unrelated note have you ever used any of the hotspot devices 
> like the jet pack or the Orvick speed hotspot devices? Just a longshot but I 
> thought I’d ask. I’m trying to find out about their accessibility and 
> useability for the blind.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You’ll need to use the old fashioned drag & drop method.  That is,
>> 
>> • select the All Signatures from the Signatures table.
>> • stop interacting with the All Signatures table, then navigate to the Names 
>> table and interact with it.
>> • navigate to the signature you wish to use.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor.
>> • turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-shift-f3.
>> • start the drag action by invoking mouse-down with VO-cmd-shift-space.
>> • stop interacting with the Names table and navigate over to the All 
>> Signatures table.
>> • interact with it and navigate to the desired account.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO Cursor.
>> •start the drop action by invoking the mouse-up action with 
>> VO-cmd-shift-space.
>> • turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3.
>> 
>> That should do it.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 03:55, Raymond Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> 
>>> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
>>> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
>>> actual account I want.  help?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[Phil Halton]

Hey barefoot Ray, I see from your signature that you use Verizon Wireless. On a 
completely unrelated note have you ever used any of the hotspot devices like 
the jet pack or the Orvick speed hotspot devices? Just a longshot but I thought 
I’d ask. I’m trying to find out about their accessibility and useability for 
the blind.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You’ll need to use the old fashioned drag & drop method.  That is,
> 
> • select the All Signatures from the Signatures table.
> • stop interacting with the All Signatures table, then navigate to the Names 
> table and interact with it.
> • navigate to the signature you wish to use.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor.
> • turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-shift-f3.
> • start the drag action by invoking mouse-down with VO-cmd-shift-space.
> • stop interacting with the Names table and navigate over to the All 
> Signatures table.
> • interact with it and navigate to the desired account.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO Cursor.
> •start the drop action by invoking the mouse-up action with 
> VO-cmd-shift-space.
> • turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 03:55, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
>> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
>> actual account I want.  help?
>> 
>> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You’ll need to use the old fashioned drag & drop method.  That is,

• select the All Signatures from the Signatures table.
• stop interacting with the All Signatures table, then navigate to the Names 
table and interact with it.
• navigate to the signature you wish to use.
• press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor.
• turn off Cursor Tracking with VO-shift-f3.
• start the drag action by invoking mouse-down with VO-cmd-shift-space.
• stop interacting with the Names table and navigate over to the All Signatures 
table.
• interact with it and navigate to the desired account.
• press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO Cursor.
•start the drop action by invoking the mouse-up action with VO-cmd-shift-space.
• turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3.

That should do it.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 26, 2022, at 03:55, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
> actual account I want.  help?
> 
> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Unfortunately, I seem to have forgotten how to do it. I did turn cursor 
tracking off, but, nothing I tried there after worked.


I may have to re-create the account again anyway. The need for a password to 
login to the SMTP side keeps turning off. And so Comcast keeps rejecting my 
attempts to send email. I’m going to add SMTP, but, somehow, the way enter a 
password and check that as the means of authentication, it does not seem to 
help. Either my Mac is just getting too old, or my memory is on how to set this 
up correctly. Sho Should I do it through Mail? Or use Internet accounts?





Also, I have had to delete my iCloud account from my Mac because somehow, every 
time I go to try to create just the mail account, Internet accounts keeps 
telling me that the account already exists when I know that it doesn’t because 
I had to delete it. Sorry for all the jumbled and confusion, but, that’s just 
how things are for me right now. 

Sincerely:
The constantly barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mack Verizon wireless iPhone and Apple TV user

Sent from my iPhone:
The first ever cellular phone equipped with Full accessibility for the blind 
built him!

> On May 26, 2022, at 8:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    Can you do it using the old style drag and drop? You need to turn off 
> cursor tracking first, but it works here.
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 5:55 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
>> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
>> actual account I want.  help?
>> 
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Re: signature in mail question

[John Panarese]

   Can you do it using the old style drag and drop? You need to turn off cursor 
tracking first, but it works here.


> On May 26, 2022, at 5:55 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t 
> seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the 
> actual account I want.  help?
> 
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signature in mail question

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Hi there.I had to recreate my e-mail account due to pass word issues and now can’t seem to drag accessibly my signatures from the all signatures table to the actual account I want.  help?



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Re: Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

Yes.  Each open mail message will appear in it’s own window.
You can switch between windows in the same application using CMD + Accent.

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On Feb 23, 2022, at 08:57, minh Tam ha  wrote:

Good morning all,

Is it possible to have multiple emails opened at once with the Mail app on the 
Mac?

Thanks,
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Mail question

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Good morning all,

Is it possible to have multiple emails opened at once with the Mail app on the 
Mac?

Thanks,
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I was going to suggest using a voiceOver search or the item chooser to find any 
collapsed item in the mailbox list, but I can't get this to work on my system 
running MacOS 12.2. Anybody out there running MacOS 12.1 who can test?

1. press VO-J until in the Mailbox list.
2. press VO-I tobring up item chooser.
3. type cloud 

When I did this, I expected to find my iCloud folder, but only found messages.
Strange.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 27, 2022, at 02:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I only have 2 gmail folders but I'm having trouble understanding this layout. 
I'll fiddle around with it some more.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It will be towards the bottom after all your Gmail folders. Might help to to 
> hav them collapsed.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 14:03, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around 
>> some more.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the 
>>> sink issues folder.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>>>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or 
>>>> at least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>>>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. 
>>>> where is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the 
>>>>> Enter key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>>>> contents table.
>>>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>>>> Mailbox list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>>>> interacting.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>>>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. 
>>>>>> When she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets 
>>>>>> this table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads 
>>>>>> the subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember 
>>>>>> how I set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big 
>>>>>> Sir. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

It will be towards the bottom after all your Gmail folders. Might help to to 
hav them collapsed.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 14:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around some 
> more.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
>> issues folder.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
>>> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where 
>>> is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>>> 
>>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>>>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>>> 
>>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>>> contents table.
>>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>>> Mailbox list.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>>> interacting.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. 
>>>>> When she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets 
>>>>> this table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads 
>>>>> the subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember 
>>>>> how I set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. 
>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around some 
more.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
> issues folder.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
>> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where 
>> is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>> 
>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>> 
>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>> contents table.
>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>> Mailbox list.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>> interacting.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
issues folder.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Holly
>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t use iCloud mail, but I have several other mail accounts enabled, so the 
following should work the same when iCloud mail is one of the enabled accounts, 
assuming you are using the stock Apple Mail app on your Mac:

When you are in the Mailbox List table, make sure you interact with the table, 
so you can navigate to the group headings.
You should be able to find the heading for Favorites, and you can press VO + 
Spacebar to either expand or collapse the group.
Once expanded, you should be able to locate the All Trash item.
Once the All Trash item has been located, you can once again use VO + Spacebar, 
to expand the item, and this should reveal the individual Trash boxes for each 
account you have enabled.

Alternatively, you should be able to navigate to the heading for each of your 
enabled mail accounts, and then use VO + Spacebar, to make sure that account is 
expanded.
Now, you should be able to navigate and locate the Trash box for each of your 
enabled mail accounts in your Apple Mail app.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and iCloud. 
once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at least look 
at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing right arrow 
to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the iCloud trash? 
this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
> 
> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
> 
> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
> contents table.
> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen > <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>> advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and iCloud. 
once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at least look 
at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing right arrow 
to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the iCloud trash? 
this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
> 
> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
> 
> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
> contents table.
> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen > <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>> advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Holly
>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.

Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter key 
to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.

As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or uses 
the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox contents 
table.
Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is off, 
then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set 
> it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is off, 
then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set 
> it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Holly
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Apple Mail Question

[Holly Jensen]

Hi,

I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When she 
interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this table with 
a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the subject and then 
the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set it up to do that, 
or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice would be appreciated.

Holly

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Re: Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, just add them to your favorites.

- Brad -

On Nov 19, 2021, at 13:42, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes, but there are only a few that have this type of command. Is there a way 
to make this kind of shortcut to other mailboxes?

Kristeen


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:32 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can also go directly to mailboxes in your favorites list by using the CMD 
> key plus a NumberRow key.
> For example, you can go directly to the Inbox, by pressing CMD + NumberRow 1.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2021, at 06:09, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Les, Thank you very much for this. After going into the view menu and showing 
> my tab bar, yours was the solution.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:57 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> From my message list, I type VO left arrow twice and I land on the list of 
>> mailboxes.
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then 
>>> tab to get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific 
>>> mailboxes. The keyboard shortcut that Apple says works for this does 
>>> nothing. It is command+shift+o.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
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Re: Mail question

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, but there are only a few that have this type of command. Is there a way to 
make this kind of shortcut to other mailboxes?

Kristeen


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:32 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> You can also go directly to mailboxes in your favorites list by using the CMD 
> key plus a NumberRow key.
> For example, you can go directly to the Inbox, by pressing CMD + NumberRow 1.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2021, at 06:09, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Les, Thank you very much for this. After going into the view menu and showing 
> my tab bar, yours was the solution.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:57 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> From my message list, I type VO left arrow twice and I land on the list of 
>> mailboxes.
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then 
>>> tab to get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific 
>>> mailboxes. The keyboard shortcut that Apple says works for this does 
>>> nothing. It is command+shift+o.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
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Re: Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

You can also go directly to mailboxes in your favorites list by using the CMD 
key plus a NumberRow key.
For example, you can go directly to the Inbox, by pressing CMD + NumberRow 1.

- Brad -


On Nov 17, 2021, at 06:09, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Les, Thank you very much for this. After going into the view menu and showing 
my tab bar, yours was the solution.

Kristeen


> On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:57 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> From my message list, I type VO left arrow twice and I land on the list of 
> mailboxes.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then tab 
>> to get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific 
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>> nothing. It is command+shift+o.
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: Mail question

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Les, Thank you very much for this. After going into the view menu and showing 
my tab bar, yours was the solution.

Kristeen
 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:57 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> From my message list, I type VO left arrow twice and I land on the list of 
> mailboxes.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then tab 
>> to get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific 
>> mailboxes. The keyboard shortcut that Apple says works for this does 
>> nothing. It is command+shift+o.
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Re: Mail question

[Les Kriegler]

>From my message list, I type VO left arrow twice and I land on the list of 
>mailboxes.

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then tab 
> to get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific 
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> It is command+shift+o.
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Re: Mail question

[Herbie Allen]

You have to shift tab to wear it says disconnect, and tab. You will then see 
your boxes. I always use VO J instead.

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 16:56, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then tab 
> to get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific 
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> It is command+shift+o.
> 
> Kristeen
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Mail question

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Since upgrading to Monterey, it seems I can no longer shift+tab and then tab to 
get to a list of mailboxes. How can one quickly move to specific mailboxes. The 
keyboard shortcut that Apple says works for this does nothing. It is 
command+shift+o.

Kristeen


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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi

For me, I open the mail message with return, then interact with the Messages 
header area, then navigate to the name of the sender, and VO-space on it. A 
menu pops up with the senders email address as well as the ability to copy it. 
Now, this does not always work for others I have found, but it may be worth a 
try for you.

Later…


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> On Jul 30, 2021, at 9:14 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
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> I believe the moderator has to enable the option to send a message to the 
> sender.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 11:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mail Question
> 
> Hi All,
> I have tried to figure this out, but can not. So I’m asking the experts. How 
> does one obtain an individual sender’s e-mail address from an e-mail list 
> message? I looked at a couple of lists I am on at the bottom of a message and 
> did not see an option for sending to the original sender. I am using Big Sur 
> if that matters. Thanks in advance for the assist.
> Best Regards,
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RE: Mail Question

[skipper8218]

I believe the moderator has to enable the option to send a message to the 
sender.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 11:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mail Question

Hi All,
I have tried to figure this out, but can not. So I’m asking the experts. How 
does one obtain an individual sender’s e-mail address from an e-mail list 
message? I looked at a couple of lists I am on at the bottom of a message and 
did not see an option for sending to the original sender. I am using Big Sur if 
that matters. Thanks in advance for the assist.
Best Regards,

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Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,
I have tried to figure this out, but can not. So I’m asking the experts. How 
does one obtain an individual sender’s e-mail address from an e-mail list 
message? I looked at a couple of lists I am on at the bottom of a message and 
did not see an option for sending to the original sender. I am using Big Sur if 
that matters. Thanks in advance for the assist.
Best Regards,

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Re: Mail Question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Interesting that this happened to me today. When I looked at the dialog  in:
Window->Activity Mail was doing sending and receiving and once that window 
cleared, Mail exited. I'm not sure if the activities window has a way to cancel 
out, but you can at least check the status before going to a force quit.
. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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Re: Mail Question

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hey Donna: have you reported it to Apple Accessibility? How do they know it’s 
happening?


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From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:05:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail Question

Hi Dave,

Yes, I remember that now.  You are still in Mojave.  Well, a couple of things 
to mention.

1.  Apple will not update anything other than security patches for Mojave now.  
So, contacting Accessibility will give you some possible assistance, but Apple 
will not address an issue like that in an older OS.

2.  I wonder if your issue has to do with physical keyboard contacts more than 
an accessibility issue.  That is, maybe your key presses are not always 
reacting as they should.  You can test this by turning on your Keyboard 
commander and pressing any of the keys in that combination to see if they are 
responding on every press.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Tim,
I am still running under Mojave. So I have no idea about Big Sur.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was a 
bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally fixed in 
the latest update to Big Sur.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to lose 
focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening on 
Mojave all along.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Les,

I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new Mac. 
I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you that 
turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on usually 
allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at least this 
is better than nothing.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi All,
So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will close 
eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done a Force 
Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve this 
issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
Best,

Les

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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

Yes, I remember that now.  You are still in Mojave.  Well, a couple of things 
to mention.

1.  Apple will not update anything other than security patches for Mojave now.  
So, contacting Accessibility will give you some possible assistance, but Apple 
will not address an issue like that in an older OS.

2.  I wonder if your issue has to do with physical keyboard contacts more than 
an accessibility issue.  That is, maybe your key presses are not always 
reacting as they should.  You can test this by turning on your Keyboard 
commander and pressing any of the keys in that combination to see if they are 
responding on every press.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> I am still running under Mojave. So I have no idea about Big Sur.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was 
> a bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally 
> fixed in the latest update to Big Sur.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
>> turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
>> This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to 
>> lose focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening 
>> on Mojave all along.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
>> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
>> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
>> hurting anything.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>>> least this is better than nothing.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
 MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
 me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
 It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
 have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
 not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to 
 behave as it should?
 Best,
  
 Les
 
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Re: Mail Question

[Dave Carlson]

Tim,
I am still running under Mojave. So I have no idea about Big Sur.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was a 
bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally fixed in 
the latest update to Big Sur.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
> turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
> This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to 
> lose focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening 
> on Mojave all along.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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RE: Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,

That’s a great suggestion. I am one of these individuals who immediately closes 
down an app when I am finished using it. I think I will stop doing that with 
Mail. I don’t mind an occasional hang, it’s just that right now, it’s been 
happening more often than the mail app closing properly. Thus, the annoyance.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail Question

 

Hi Donna,

 

When quitting Mail, make sure to wait a while after sending or deleting 
messages.  When you attempt to quit too quickly after these sorts of tasks, 
Mail may be in the middle of polling for new messages, cleaning up mailboxes 
etc.   So, go press cmd-tab and go to another app and do something, or just 
wait about 10 seconds or so before pressing cmd-q to quit Mail.  See if you 
have better luck.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least once 
a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something that 
apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)

Cheers,

Donna

 





On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Les,

 

I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new Mac. 
I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you that 
turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on usually 
allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at least this 
is better than nothing.

Cheers,

Donna

 

Sent from my iPad





On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will close 
eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done a Force 
Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve this 
issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?

Best,

 

Les

 

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Re: Mail Question

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Tim. I’ll give that a try.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:15 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> When quitting Mail, make sure to wait a while after sending or deleting 
> messages.  When you attempt to quit too quickly after these sorts of tasks, 
> Mail may be in the middle of polling for new messages, cleaning up mailboxes 
> etc.   So, go press cmd-tab and go to another app and do something, or just 
> wait about 10 seconds or so before pressing cmd-q to quit Mail.  See if you 
> have better luck.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least 
>> once a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something 
>> that apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
>>> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 
>>> times out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  
>>> It’s not hurting anything.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Les,
 
 I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
 Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
 that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
 usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
 least this is better than nothing.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it 
> hangs. It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal 
> behavior. I have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, 
> but that does not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to 
> get Mail to behave as it should?
> Best,
>  
> Les
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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

When quitting Mail, make sure to wait a while after sending or deleting 
messages.  When you attempt to quit too quickly after these sorts of tasks, 
Mail may be in the middle of polling for new messages, cleaning up mailboxes 
etc.   So, go press cmd-tab and go to another app and do something, or just 
wait about 10 seconds or so before pressing cmd-q to quit Mail.  See if you 
have better luck.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least 
> once a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something 
> that apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
>> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
>> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
>> hurting anything.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>>> least this is better than nothing.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
 MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
 me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
 It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
 have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
 not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to 
 behave as it should?
 Best,
  
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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’m not having this issue Dave.  Where is this happening for you?  There was a 
bug with Big Sur and VO-shift-m on the Dock, but that has been finally fixed in 
the latest update to Big Sur.

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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
> turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
> This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to 
> lose focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening 
> on Mojave all along.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
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Re: Mail Question

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim,

Just FYI, for me it’s more than occasionally. I’d say it happens at least once 
a week. And les is right, it is annoying, and does seem like something that 
apple should have fixed ages ago. Just my $.02. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few 
> years ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times 
> out of 10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not 
> hurting anything.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
>> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
>> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
>> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
>> least this is better than nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my 
>>> MacBook Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of 
>>> me. More often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. 
>>> It will close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I 
>>> have done a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does 
>>> not resolve this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave 
>>> as it should?
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>> 
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Re: Mail Question

[Dave Carlson]

Also finding that the VO+shift+M menu does not always react, and requires 
turning VO off and back on to re-engage.
This reminds me of the old focus issues with keyboard in JAWS. VO seems to lose 
focus and needs a little kick in the butt to wake it up. Been happening on 
Mojave all along.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
> least this is better than nothing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
>> Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
>> often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will 
>> close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done 
>> a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve 
>> this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
>> Best,
>>  
>> Les
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Re: Mail Question

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, this does happen occasionally.  I had a possible reason for it a few years 
ago, but I can’t recall what I had come up with.  In any case, 9 times out of 
10 it will eventually quit itself.  No need to force quit.  It’s not hurting 
anything.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new 
> Mac. I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you 
> that turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on 
> usually allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at 
> least this is better than nothing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
>> Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
>> often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will 
>> close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done 
>> a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve 
>> this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
>> Best,
>>  
>> Les
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Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

I appreciate your response. Thank you. So it's not my machine! The odd thing
is that sometimes Mail closes as it should, other times, it does not. Kate
from this list indicated the same thing. I wonder why Apple has not fixed
this one. I think I'll write Apple Accessibility about this. Thanks again.
Your assistance is always appreciated.

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Re: Mail Question

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

I have had this problem for a while now, since way before getting the new Mac. 
I have no idea what causes it or how to solve it, but I can tell you that 
turning VO off, waiting a couple seconds and then turning VO back on usually 
allows Mail to close. Sorry I don’t have a better solution, but at least this 
is better than nothing.
Cheers,
Donna


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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook 
> Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More 
> often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will 
> close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done a 
> Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve 
> this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it should?
> Best,
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Mail Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,

So after a week, I can say that things are going really well with my MacBook
Air. I do have one problem which is annoying the daylights out of me. More
often than not, when I quit the Mac App with Command-Q, it hangs. It will
close eventually, but this does not seem to be normal behavior. I have done
a Force Quit initiated with Command Option Escape, but that does not resolve
this issue. Any ideas as to what I can do to get Mail to behave as it
should?

Best,

 

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Re: A basic Mail question

[Lorie McCloud]

oh sorry. it works in Catalina.

> On May 26, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I can’t get this one to work.
> When I have interacted with the Mailbox table, this command moves one item at 
> a time.
> When I have not interacted with the Mailbox table, this command does nothing.
> 
> I am using Apple Mail on my Mac mini running Big Sur 11.4.
> I have my VO modifier set to be CMD + OPT 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 01:57, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
> down-arrow.
> 
>> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
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>> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
>> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
>> 
>> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
>> be looking in all the wrong places! 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Janina
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Matthew Dyer]

Matthew



Cmd-up arrow to go to the top and cmd-down arrow to go to the bottom.  HTH.



Hi,




On 5/26/2021 1:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina




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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

I can’t get this one to work.
When I have interacted with the Mailbox table, this command moves one item at a 
time.
When I have not interacted with the Mailbox table, this command does nothing.

I am using Apple Mail on my Mac mini running Big Sur 11.4.
I have my VO modifier set to be CMD + OPT 

- Brad -


On May 26, 2021, at 01:57, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
down-arrow.

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

CMD + OPT + Up/Down Arrow works only when interacting with the Mailbox table.
OPT + Up/Down Arrow should work all the time. 

- Brad -


On May 26, 2021, at 06:16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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Yes, that's the magic! Thanks, Lorie!

Janina

Lorie McCloud writes:
> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
> down-arrow.
> 
>> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi,
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>> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
>> 
>> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
>> be looking in all the wrong places! 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

Make sure you have Keyboard Commander turned off, or at least not set to use 
both Option keys.

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On May 26, 2021, at 06:15, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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Not working, sorry to say.

Brad Snyder writes:
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> Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
> DownArrow, to go to the bottom of the list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
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> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
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> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, that's the magic! Thanks, Lorie!

Janina

Lorie McCloud writes:
> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
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> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> > keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> > when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> > do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> > 
> > It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> > be looking in all the wrong places! 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Re: A basic Mail question

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Not working, sorry to say.

Brad Snyder writes:
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> Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
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> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
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> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

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to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
down-arrow.

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

[Brad Snyder]

Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
DownArrow, to go to the bottom of the list.

HTH.

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On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina


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A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina


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mail question when not using classic view

[Christina]

Hi,

I was experimenting using mail in nonclassic view. Is there a way to change the 
way VO reads the message headers such as subject, sender, etc? I’d like to hear 
the subject first. 

Thanks

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ONE MORE IPAD MAIL QUESTION

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi again, all,

I probably will give Outlook a try, but in the meantime, I have one more iPad 
mail question.  I am noticing that frequently the message that is displayed is 
not the same is the one that Voiceover reports as being selected.  Anyone know 
why this would happen, and if there’s a way to fix it?
TIA,
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Re: A Mail Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Jonathan,

Thanks. I have verizon, but not using Yahoo for mail processing. I use the mail 
app that comes on the Iphone and on my Mac book I again am using the Apple 
supplied Mail app.

On my IPhone 6, the edit button is still at the top right corner of the screen, 
but the delete button does not indicate “all”. Delete just deletes one message 
at a time. I used to be able to open a message, then place one finger on 
delete, leave it there and then with a second finger just keep tapping on the 
delete button as I would rapidly delete one message after another. 

It no longer works the way it used to with the last two plus releases of IOS.

Eileen

From: Jonathan Cohn 
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A Mail Question.

I remember being able to do this in IOS 8 by clicking the edit button and then 
immediately going down to the delete button which then said trash all. I don't 
believe there is a way to clear an entire mailbox in IOS 10 mail application. 
Since you have a verizon.net address, I assume you are using Yahoo mail… In 
this case you might be able to find a yahoo mail app or perhaps even the google 
mail app and do the deletion from there.  
+ 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




  On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

  Sorry, I neglected to state in the below that I want to do this on the 
IPhone, not on the Mac.

  Eileen

  From: Eileen Scrivani 
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:00 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: A Mail Question.

  Hello All, 

  Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
delete? I have accumulated a ton of messages on my phone and I simply want to 
clear out the entire inbox. I need a pain-free way of getting rid of them.

  Any ideas greatly appreciated.

  Eileen

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Re: A Mail Question.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I remember being able to do this in IOS 8 by clicking the edit button and then 
immediately going down to the delete button which then said trash all. I don't 
believe there is a way to clear an entire mailbox in IOS 10 mail application. 
Since you have a verizon.net <http://verizon.net/> address, I assume you are 
using Yahoo mail… In this case you might be able to find a yahoo mail app or 
perhaps even the google mail app and do the deletion from there. 
 + 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I neglected to state in the below that I want to do this on the 
> IPhone, not on the Mac.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: Eileen Scrivani <>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: A Mail Question.
>  
> Hello All,
>  
> Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
> delete? I have accumulated a ton of messages on my phone and I simply want to 
> clear out the entire inbox. I need a pain-free way of getting rid of them.
>  
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.
>  
> Eileen
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Re: A Mail Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Sorry, I neglected to state in the below that I want to do this on the IPhone, 
not on the Mac.

Eileen

From: Eileen Scrivani 
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:00 PM
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Subject: A Mail Question.

Hello All, 

Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
delete? I have accumulated a ton of messages on my phone and I simply want to 
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Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Hello All, 

Does any one know of a way to select all messages in the inbox and do a mass 
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Re: mail question

[Phil Halton]

Sometimes this happens to me as well. The right arrow key will not expand the 
thread as it used to. When this happens I simply close mail and we launch and 
that usually takes care of the problem. I've gotten used to things not working 
perfectly 100% of the time and this is my solution.


Sent from my IPhone


> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
> Brandon,
> I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing this.
> Brian
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
>>  wrote:
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>> Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread.
>> 
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>>> 
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>>> press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
>>> disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is 
>>> another way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the 
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Re: mail question

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Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread.

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> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I can’t 
> press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
> disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another 
> way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation 
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mail question

[Brian Howerton]

Hello all,
I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I can’t press 
right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the disclosure 
triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another way?  It used 
to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation thread and then I 
could read all the messages in that thread.  How would I do this?  I am running 
the latest OS.  Thanks,
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Re: mail question

[Brian Howerton]

Brandon,
I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing this.
Brian
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
>  wrote:
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> Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread.
> 
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> Brandon Olivares
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I can’t 
>> press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
>> disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another 
>> way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation 
>> thread and then I could read all the messages in that thread.  How would I 
>> do this?  I am running the latest OS.  Thanks,
>> Brian
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Re: mail question

[Brian Howerton]

Chris,
I just tried that, and the mac just bonged at me.
Brian
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Let's confirm.  Brian is referring to the mac, not to I O S.  Beware.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Brian Howerton <mailto:bshowert...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: mail question
>> 
>> Brandon,
>> I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing this.
>> Brian
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Brandon Olivares
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>>> Create a life of infinite possibilities!
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton <bshowert...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:bshowert...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I can’t 
>>>> press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
>>>> disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is 
>>>> another way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the 
>>>> conversation thread and then I could read all the messages in that thread. 
>>>>  How would I do this?  I am running the latest OS.  Thanks,
>>>> Brian
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Re: mail question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, no rush.  Just keep me posted.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Howerton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:35 AM
  Subject: Re: mail question


  I think I am on the standard view.  I will try VO space and see if that 
works.I’m getting ready to go in a meeting, but maybe I can give you a call 
when I get out.
  Brian

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


I presume that you are not using Quicknav?  Secondly, try vo+Space.  One 
more thing is, make sure that you're on the first message within the thread.  
Being that it's not expanding for you in the first place, I'd presume that you 
are.

Are you using classic view, or just the standard layout.

I'm not sure how much help I'll be, but I'm up, so, if you wanna call me, I 
can see if we can figure this out.  No guarantees though.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Howerton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:24 AM
  Subject: Re: mail question


  Chris, 
  I just tried that, and the mac just bonged at me.
  Brian

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Let's confirm.  Brian is referring to the mac, not to I O S.  Beware.

Chris.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:19 AM
  Subject: Re: mail question


  Brandon, 
  I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing 
this.
  Brian

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
<thepianist2...@gmail.com> wrote:


Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread. 


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  On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton 
<bshowert...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hello all,
  I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, 
I can’t press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another 
way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation 
thread and then I could read all the messages in that thread.  How would I do 
this?  I am running the latest OS.  Thanks,
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Re: mail question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Brian, try hitting vo+backslash to expand.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Howerton" <bshowert...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:11 AM
Subject: mail question


Hello all,
I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I can’t 
press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another 
way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation 
thread and then I could read all the messages in that thread.  How would I 
do this?  I am running the latest OS.  Thanks,

Brian

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Re: mail question

[Brian Howerton]

I think I am on the standard view.  I will try VO space and see if that 
works.I’m getting ready to go in a meeting, but maybe I can give you a call 
when I get out.
Brian
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I presume that you are not using Quicknav?  Secondly, try vo+Space.  One more 
> thing is, make sure that you're on the first message within the thread.  
> Being that it's not expanding for you in the first place, I'd presume that 
> you are.
>  
> Are you using classic view, or just the standard layout.
>  
> I'm not sure how much help I'll be, but I'm up, so, if you wanna call me, I 
> can see if we can figure this out.  No guarantees though.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Brian Howerton <mailto:bshowert...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: mail question
>> 
>> Chris,
>> I just tried that, and the mac just bonged at me.
>> Brian
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let's confirm.  Brian is referring to the mac, not to I O S.  Beware.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Brian Howerton <mailto:bshowert...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: mail question
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon,
>>>> I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing this.
>>>> Brian
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
>>>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Brandon Olivares
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Create a life of infinite possibilities!
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton <bshowert...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:bshowert...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I 
>>>>>> can’t press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse 
>>>>>> the disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is 
>>>>>> another way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the 
>>>>>> conversation thread and then I could read all the messages in that 
>>>>>> thread.  How would I do this?  I am running the latest OS.  Thanks,
>>>>>> Brian
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Re: mail question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Let's confirm.  Brian is referring to the mac, not to I O S.  Beware.

Chris.

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  From: Brian Howerton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:19 AM
  Subject: Re: mail question


  Brandon,
  I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing this.
  Brian

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
<thepianist2...@gmail.com> wrote:


Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread.


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  On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton <bshowert...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hello all,
  I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I can’t 
press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the disclosure 
triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another way?  It used 
to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation thread and then I 
could read all the messages in that thread.  How would I do this?  I am running 
the latest OS.  Thanks,
  Brian

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Re: mail question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I presume that you are not using Quicknav?  Secondly, try vo+Space.  One more 
thing is, make sure that you're on the first message within the thread.  Being 
that it's not expanding for you in the first place, I'd presume that you are.

Are you using classic view, or just the standard layout.

I'm not sure how much help I'll be, but I'm up, so, if you wanna call me, I can 
see if we can figure this out.  No guarantees though.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Howerton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:24 AM
  Subject: Re: mail question


  Chris,
  I just tried that, and the mac just bonged at me.
  Brian

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Let's confirm.  Brian is referring to the mac, not to I O S.  Beware.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Howerton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:19 AM
  Subject: Re: mail question


  Brandon, 
  I actually don’t use the trackpad.  This is so weird that it is doing 
this.
  Brian

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
<thepianist2...@gmail.com> wrote:


Sometimes it works to double tap on the thread. 


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  On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Brian Howerton <bshowert...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


  Hello all,
  I have been running my mac in column mode, and when I am in mail, I 
can’t press right arrow to open up a thread of messages and uncollapse the 
disclosure triangle.  Can someone tell me how to do this if there is another 
way?  It used to be I could press right arrow to open up the conversation 
thread and then I could read all the messages in that thread.  How would I do 
this?  I am running the latest OS.  Thanks,
  Brian

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Re: very basic mac mail question

[Alex Hall]

I just use option=up for top or option=down for bottom. If that doesn't work, 
be sure you've stopped interacting with the messages table and try again.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Should be command option up arrow and command option down arrow. 
 Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
 Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
 Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
 Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
 Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com mailto:blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
 characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
 expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
 between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
 blindness is not what holds you back. 
 “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
 proverb 
 
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Michael Malver mmal...@gmail.com 
 mailto:mmal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can’t seem to figure out the keyboard command for moving to the top or 
 bottom of the message list once I give it focus.
 How can I accomplish this?
  
 
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very basic mac mail question

[Michael Malver]

I can't seem to figure out the keyboard command for moving to the top or
bottom of the message list once I give it focus.

How can I accomplish this?

 

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Re: very basic mac mail question

[Aleeha Dudley]

Should be command option up arrow and command option down arrow. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com mailto:blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between 
blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not 
what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
proverb 

 On Jan 12, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Michael Malver mmal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can’t seem to figure out the keyboard command for moving to the top or 
 bottom of the message list once I give it focus.
 How can I accomplish this?
  
 
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mail question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys 
How do you get rid of old email addresses? I have a contact that is no longer 
using one of her email addresses, and every time I type in her name the old one 
is the first one that comes up. I went into contacts, and I thought I had done 
the button that says delete email address. I typed in the new one. The new one 
is there, but so is the old one. Is there anyway to get rid of these things? 
Sincerely,
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Re: mail question

[Ray Foret Jr]

You want to open the window menu and from there, go in to the table of previous 
recipients.  from there, find the receipient you no longer wish and mash the 
delete key.

HTH.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Jan 15, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys 
 How do you get rid of old email addresses? I have a contact that is no longer 
 using one of her email addresses, and every time I type in her name the old 
 one is the first one that comes up. I went into contacts, and I thought I had 
 done the button that says delete email address. I typed in the new one. The 
 new one is there, but so is the old one. Is there anyway to get rid of these 
 things? 
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
 
 
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Re: mail question

[Lisette Wesseling]

Wow Thanks Ray. I never knew about this window. I was wondering about this 
myself. You learn something every day.

Lisette

On 16/01/2014, at 7:49 am, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 You want to open the window menu and from there, go in to the table of 
 previous recipients.  from there, find the receipient you no longer wish and 
 mash the delete key.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jan 15, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys 
 How do you get rid of old email addresses? I have a contact that is no 
 longer using one of her email addresses, and every time I type in her name 
 the old one is the first one that comes up. I went into contacts, and I 
 thought I had done the button that says delete email address. I typed in the 
 new one. The new one is there, but so is the old one. Is there anyway to get 
 rid of these things? 
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
 
 
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Re: mail question

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks Ray. Looks like it worked fine. I can't believe I didn't figure that out 
before. I guess it didn't annoy me enough before. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Jan 15, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 You want to open the window menu and from there, go in to the table of 
 previous recipients.  from there, find the receipient you no longer wish and 
 mash the delete key.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jan 15, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys 
 How do you get rid of old email addresses? I have a contact that is no 
 longer using one of her email addresses, and every time I type in her name 
 the old one is the first one that comes up. I went into contacts, and I 
 thought I had done the button that says delete email address. I typed in the 
 new one. The new one is there, but so is the old one. Is there anyway to get 
 rid of these things? 
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
 
 
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Re: mail question

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Gigi,

How do you find the window where you can see your previous contacts? I, 
too, would like to remove some old contacts that are no longer relevant 
but could never find the way.


Thanks very much

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A no mail question

[Angus MacKinnon]

I can not see by the website how to set the list to no mail. Is it possible to 
set this list to no mail by email? Thank you.
Î
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Re: A no mail question

[Chris Blouch]

Done. You can also choose Digest which gives you one big email a day 
with all the messages concatenated together.


CB

On 12/14/13 7:05 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I can not see by the website how to set the list to no mail. Is it possible to 
set this list to no mail by email? Thank you.
Î
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A no mail question

[Angus MacKinnon]

I am having a lapse in memory. I am about to leave on a two week trip. Is it 
possible to set this list to no mail status, so my mailbox does not fillup? 
Thank you.

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another mail question

[jean parker]

Hello:
How do I bypass archiving in mail in iOS 7 and have messages delete?  
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Re: another mail question

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

 
 Jean:

In the iOS 7 settings, under mail, there should be a button to turn archiving 
on or off.

Hope this helps. Be well.

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another mail question

[jean parker]

Mark:
I looked for that setting in mail but can't find it.  Is it possibly located 
somewhere else?
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Apple Mail question.

[Danny Noonan]

I've had disk issues with my mac since day 1 and finally after 2 years talked 
apple into installing a new hard disk so I'm setting up from scratch again. 
With this in mind, I've somehow stumbled on the 48000 messages that were 
somehow stored on my mail server. There now all in an old messages folder in 
apple mail.

This is good because I don't have to try and grab the couple of thousand 
archive messages from my corrupted ccc boot disk backup but trying to work with 
1 folder with this many messages is painful. The amount of busy notifications 
and mail restarts is astounding. grin

My question is, I'm trying to apply message rules to this folder so that I can 
have list messages in appropriate folders to be able to work with them but all 
I can find is control option l to apply message rules. I've tried this in the 
folder with all message s highlighted and not highlighted but nothing seems to 
be working. Is there a way to force apple mail to apply rules to a specific 
folder or set of messages?

Thanks in advance and apologies for the next batch of questions in advance 
also..

Danny.

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Re: Apple Mail question.

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi,

I think the problem is that you've got so many messages and it will take a long 
time for Mail to scan your messages and apply the rules. I've done this before 
with a few thousand messages and I too thought nothing was hapenning for a long 
time. I can't imagine what it would be like with 48 thousand. So, my advice, 
after you try applying rules, press command-option-0 to view Mail activity. 
Take a look and see if Mail is doing anything. If it is, then just give it 
time. If not, then let us know and maybe someone will have more ideas.

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Re: Apple Mail question.

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Thanks muchly for the tips. I didn't know the mail activity hotkey. That's 
great to have.

I decided I had to trim the monster mailbox  down to give mail a chance to be 
able to function at all so I've been experimenting with folder searches saved 
into smart folders where I can delete or move as required and it seems to be 
helping. I've gotten rid of 3 or 4  thousand so far but have a long way to go. 
turns out it was still downloading and there were 65000 messages when it had 
finished.. I'm frankly amazed mail can function at all with this. Windows would 
have pooped itself to death way before this. smile.

Thanks again.

Danny.

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 I think the problem is that you've got so many messages and it will take a 
 long time for Mail to scan your messages and apply the rules. I've done this 
 before with a few thousand messages and I too thought nothing was hapenning 
 for a long time. I can't imagine what it would be like with 48 thousand. So, 
 my advice, after you try applying rules, press command-option-0 to view Mail 
 activity. Take a look and see if Mail is doing anything. If it is, then just 
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

You can also just press enter on the messages to open them.  I honestly see no 
real difference between pressing command W, and pressing VO J.  Your actually 
pressing 2 fewer keys to read a message, and 1 fewer key to close the message 
and go back to your messages table.

JMO.

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On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 One thing to keep in mind here is that this will not work if you get rid of 
 the preview pane. The up side is that you can arrow past messages without 
 having them automatically be marked as read; the down side is that you will 
 have to open them with cmd-o and close them with cmd-w (enter seems to work 
 to open as well) and cannot delete right from the text. It's a trade-off 
 however you slice it.
 About the sorting of columns: I don't know, but if you get an answer, please 
 share it with the list as I'd love to re-order a few things.
 On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 Yes I do this all the time. I interact with the message text by pressing vo 
 j, then read the message, then press delete. The next message will show up, 
 depending on the last arrow press you do. If you previously pressed up 
 arrow, the next message to display will be above the one you just deleted. 
 If you previously pressed down arrow, the next message you see will be below 
 the one you just deleted.
 Good luck.
 Lisette
 
 On 28/08/2012, at 8:25 AM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
 automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
 Sent from my mac
 
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in 
 a message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the 
 subject field first.  Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the 
 sender name first.  Is it possible to configure different mailboxes 
 differently?
 
 Thanks,
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configuring apple apple mail question

[Christina C.]

Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order that 
I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different order.  I 
really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a message 
first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject field first. 
 Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the sender name first.  Is it 
possible to configure different mailboxes differently?

Thanks,
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
Sent from my mac



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 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a 
 message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject 
 field first.  Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the sender name 
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi
Yes I do this all the time. I interact with the message text by pressing vo j, 
then read the message, then press delete. The next message will show up, 
depending on the last arrow press you do. If you previously pressed up arrow, 
the next message to display will be above the one you just deleted. If you 
previously pressed down arrow, the next message you see will be below the one 
you just deleted.
Good luck.
Lisette

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wrote:

 Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
 automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
 Sent from my mac
 
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a 
 message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject 
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Re: configuring apple apple mail question

[Alex Hall]

One thing to keep in mind here is that this will not work if you get rid of the 
preview pane. The up side is that you can arrow past messages without having 
them automatically be marked as read; the down side is that you will have to 
open them with cmd-o and close them with cmd-w (enter seems to work to open as 
well) and cannot delete right from the text. It's a trade-off however you slice 
it.
About the sorting of columns: I don't know, but if you get an answer, please 
share it with the list as I'd love to re-order a few things.
On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi
 Yes I do this all the time. I interact with the message text by pressing vo 
 j, then read the message, then press delete. The next message will show up, 
 depending on the last arrow press you do. If you previously pressed up arrow, 
 the next message to display will be above the one you just deleted. If you 
 previously pressed down arrow, the next message you see will be below the one 
 you just deleted.
 Good luck.
 Lisette
 
 On 28/08/2012, at 8:25 AM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all in standard view is it possible to open a message, delete, then 
 automatically move to the next message. Know what I am saying here? Thanks!
 Sent from my mac
 
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I am using ML   with standard view in apple mail.  Is there a way to 
 configure things so that the fields in the messages table are in an order 
 that I prefer.  I'd like voiceover to read this info to me in a different 
 order.  I really don't need to know how many message conversations are in a 
 message first.  Does that make sense?  I mostly prefer to hear the subject 
 field first.  Although, in some mailboxes, I'd like to hear the sender name 
 first.  Is it possible to configure different mailboxes differently?
 
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Re: dumb mail question

[christopher hallsworth]

I just cursor to the link and do a vo-space to activate it. This is assuming 
quick nav is off. If on press up and down together to activate.
On 23 Aug 2012, at 20:52, Bill Holton wrote:

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 What is the best voiceover command to use that will get mail to consistently 
 open a web URL insight email?
 
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dumb mail question

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
What is the best voiceover command to use that will get mail to consistently 
open a web URL insight email?

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Re: dumb mail question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I would navigate by character to the url itself then press VO space.  If that 
fails you, do the same but instead of pressing VO space, press VO shift M to 
bring up the context menu and select to open link or something like that.

hth

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Re: dumb mail question

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That's what I do. You don't have to go by character though, just by
line or whatever until you get close, then by word until the vo cursor
is focused somewhere on the link text. Vo-shift-m, open url, enter,
and there you go.

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 Hi,

 I would navigate by character to the url itself then press VO space.  If
 that fails you, do the same but instead of pressing VO space, press VO shift
 M to bring up the context menu and select to open link or something like
 that.

 hth

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Another mail question, was : .me mail settings?

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
Thanks for the help. Do you know if it's possible to create a note in Outlook 
2010 that will also show up in the notes on my Mac? And of course, I'd like to 
read my Mac notes using Outlook at some point.
Thanks.
Bill
On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Bill,
 
 Go in to your Me Account settings, your name, and server settings. There you 
 will find the information you need.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 12 Aug 2012, at 05:53 PM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 I'd like to add my dot me a account to my Outlook 2010, but I can't find 
 anywhere on my Mac where I can find the mail settings. The IMAP settings, 
 server, that sort of information. My dot me  account is in Apple Mail, can 
 someone tell me where I can find the actual settings?
 Bill
 
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