Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-20 Thread E M
Yes, that's the part I'm referring to. I couldn't quite make out what it was on mine. I suspected some kind of an undercoat, then painted over. A small chip that came off around the drain hole was quite hard, but I suspect that is just due to age, or that the damage has effected it in some way.

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-20 Thread LWB250
paint over it. Looked just like it came from the factory. Dan --- On Mon, 12/20/10, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 10:17 AM Yes

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-20 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 10:17 AM Yes, that's the part I'm referring to. I couldn't quite make out what it was on mine. I suspected some kind

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Thanks for all the kind words, guys! Jaime On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Jaime, I appreciate your prior contributions and I have always had a LOT of respect for you.   After this post, my respect is restored, and I ask you to consider remaining.   I

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-20 Thread E M
usually put it down over primer, then shot the requisite MB flat black chassis paint over it. Looked just like it came from the factory. Dan --- On Mon, 12/20/10, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-20 Thread LWB250
equivalent, too, but I'm a 3M snob when it comes to body work stuff. Dan --- On Mon, 12/20/10, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 3:40

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Gerry Archer
I've been off and on the list since it was based in Canada, Walt. Dr. Booth (mhsrip) was the critisizer in chief and his legacy has been a custom of blunt criticism when someone was judged to be wrong. Dr. Booth was seldom wrong, but those who follow his custom sometimes are, and then the

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Lets get one thing perfectly clear. This list does have a list owner who does enforce the rules. The rules here are not as anal retentive as another list that is out there. Flaming will not be tolerated, period. Jaime is a very strange dude and gets offended easy for whatever reason. Sorry

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Dieselhead
Kaleb, This belong on your famous quotes page. It is extremely hilarious, coming from the master of flaming. Hursty sez: you guys really act viciously and abnormally and i don't think you see it at all ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread Jim Cathey
While previously geographically confined primarily to Redmond, WA, and the SanJose, CA area, severe [PD] epidemics are now places like Stuttgart, and Munich in Germany, the entire country of Japan, ... No kidding! They got a new microwave oven at work. The wretched thing beeps out some kind

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread LWB250
Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 2:04 AM I don't think I perrsonally drove anyone away. I rarely intervene

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Max Dillon
: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate Kaleb, This belong on your famous quotes page. It is extremely hilarious, coming from the master of flaming. Hursty sez: you guys really act viciously and abnormally and i don't think you see it at all ___ http

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Allan Streib
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: I've been off and on the list since it was based in Canada, Walt. Dr. Booth (mhsrip) was the critisizer in chief and his legacy has been a custom of blunt criticism when someone was judged to be wrong. Dr. Booth was seldom wrong, but those who

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Frederick
I suspect Jamie might be confusing the Mercedes mystique with actual car ownership. I don't drive a Benz because I want to stick something up my neighbor's nose to make him or her think I'm better than they are, I drive one because it's a safe (crash tested personally) generally

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread WILTON
installed new one and gave the old one to Salvation Army. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance While previously geographically

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: I've been off and on the list since it was based in Canada, Walt. Dr. Booth (mhsrip) was the critisizer in chief and his legacy has been a custom of blunt criticism when someone

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Gerry Archer
I think the problem, Kaleb, is a different definition of flaming between you, and I and Dan and several others on this list. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Lets get one thing perfectly clear. This list does have a list owner who does enforce the rules. The

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Gerry Archer wrote: I've been off and on the list since it was based in Canada, Walt. Dr. Booth (mhsrip) was the critisizer in chief and his legacy has been a custom of blunt criticism when someone was judged to be wrong. Ah, yes. Herr Doktor Booth and young Jaime had their disagreements back

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Rich Thomas
I changed my pistons and fuses all melted. I don't know what to do now -- if I leave the fuses as they are will my pistons melt? --R On 12/19/2010 11:30 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Gerry Archer wrote: I've been off and on the list since it was based in Canada, Walt. Dr. Booth (mhsrip) was the

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Gary Hurst
saw Hurst, his physical makeup hardly fits this. Better the moniker Jabba, which he earned some years ago. Dan --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate To: Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Gary Hurst
- almost coughed up my cereal reading that one! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread E M
:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance While previously geographically confined primarily to Redmond, WA, and the SanJose, CA area, severe [PD] epidemics are now places like Stuttgart, and Munich in Germany, the entire country of Japan, ... No kidding! They got a new microwave oven

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread Fmiser
Jim Cathey wrote: It's an _oven_! The world is full of MP3 players, home theater audio systems, etc., and we need an _oven_ that peeps like a diseased chick when your food is ready? Go Jim! Maybe if you complain loud enough someone who can do something about it will hear. Then again -

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread WILTON
Mine in '72 was $180. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance My folks still have the one I bought them about 25 years ago too

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread Walt Zarnoch
We've got an 85 vintage GE dual-wave nuclear reactor, from the pre turntable and glitz days. Had to run the main control board through board rework and conformal coat back around 2000ish after a very steemy cup of coffee, had to replace the main transformer after it arced over and carbon

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread Mountain Man
Jaime rote: Wow, the ignorance on this list has reached an all time high. You folks really haven't a clue about how automotive development works, and why an S class is designed the way they are.  Not a clue. Yo - Jaime. Educate us a bit - mind you, not an upper level course - just a whet

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread Mountain Man
Ed wrote: My folks still have the one I bought them about 25 years ago too. I have a GE from about that vintage... sitting in the basement, not being used. We don't need not steenking microwave. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Mountain Man
hursty wrote: i ask no one to fall in step with my ideas, especially those that are bizarre and psychotic Except... I am even more bizarre and psychotic. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Yes, I did have some disagreements with Dr. Booth. But I recall they were about fundamentals of engine design and operation, not about anything specific on a car. I did have some issues with the idea that anything the dokor said was gold, never to be questioned. But he did alot of good things

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread E M
I would welcome more posts on restoration, and preservation. I do feel there are a number of posts on repairs, but I'd like to see more on maintance, and as I said, preservation and restoration of body and interiors, besides mechanical restorations. I have no personal interest in doing body

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-19 Thread E M
: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance My folks still have the one I bought them about 25 years ago too. Never failed. I've had it checked a few times to make sure everything was in proper working order. Back then, I think I paid close to $1000 for it. Today, they can be had for $80, but are pretty much

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I'd love to post pics of my rust repair projects. I really do high end restoration type metal repairs on my low end cars:) It makes no sense I know but I just can't help myself. I don't rember but is it possible to post attachments here? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2010, at 3:30 PM, E M

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I'd love to post pics of my rust repair projects. I really do high end restoration type metal repairs on my low end cars:) It makes no sense I know but I just can't help myself. I don't rember but is it possible to post attachments here? Sent from my iPhone Yes,

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Fred Moir
Jaime K, ED, et al. Jaime, please don't leave, you have experience and resources most of us do not. many of us are old farts and, as any one will tell you, curmudgeons are cranky and opinionated. I for one will try to do better at listening as I have the selective hearing of a long married

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread E M
I think any job worth doing, is worth doing properly, or as best as one can. Love to see some pics! Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 17:19, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd love to post pics of my rust repair projects. I really do high end restoration type metal repairs on my low

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread E M
There are a couple of community colleges around here that offer auto body classes too. My personal experiences with auto body repairs, even the small ones that I started off feeling quit confident with, always ended in frustration I have a lot of admiration for people who have the skill to bring

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Yes, that was a link to shutterfly. I did a quarter panel repair of the same nature on the same car. I'm surprised you remember. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I'd love to post pics of my rust repair projects. I

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Allan Streib
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Yes, that was a link to shutterfly. I did a quarter panel repair of the same nature on the same car. I'm surprised you remember. I don't think anyone who saw those photographs would forget the craftsmanship evident. Allan -- 1983 300D

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
And he as since apologized. On 12/19/2010 8:55 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Gerry Archerarche...@embarqmail.com writes: I've been off and on the list since it was based in Canada, Walt. Dr. Booth (mhsrip) was the critisizer in chief and his legacy has been a custom of blunt criticism when someone

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Here are some pics: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=284706 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:47 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think any job worth doing, is worth doing properly, or as best as one can. Love to see some pics! Ed 300E On 19 December 2010

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I too agree Marshall was a great resource, but even I was sometimes annoyed by the fact that some folks thought his word was gold. He made mistakes about his facts, everyone does. There were a few times when he would say something and I had the opposite experience. On 12/19/2010 2:08 PM,

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Rick Knoble
Jaime, I agree with Fred. Don't leave. You have been a resource for much wisdom. I have been on these lists for 8 or 9 years myself. I was on the old DieselTech list too. I never made it to banned until the last few years. I just don't post much. More of a lurker. (but not a troll, :)) I

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Dieselhead
Jaime, I appreciate your prior contributions and I have always had a LOT of respect for you. After this post, my respect is restored, and I ask you to consider remaining. I was really surprised and shocked that you chose to flame the whole list after an extended absence. We all know

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread E M
Very impressive!! How is the textured paint applied? Is that a type of paint, or more a technique? Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 18:24, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Here are some pics: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=284706 Sent from my iPhone On Dec

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread toms cat1
Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of BMWs Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:27:25 -0500 From: Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate Message-ID: 4d0e86cd.3050...@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Thanks. By textured paint I assume you mean the areas down low? It is basically painted over undercoating. The regular off the shelf rubberized undercoating won't do. There are several options available that can duplicate this undercoating although I have been unable to 100% faithfully copy

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-18 Thread Hendrik Fay
Not sure if I should say anything, I may be accused of being ignorant by the new high master of knowledge. However being a daredevil I shall try and sneak some stupidity past the overlord of automotive development information, guess if he catches me I'll cop a beating with the workshop manual

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-18 Thread Gary Hurst
can't you guys leave anything alone? he's unsubscribed already and it's been a while. wtf is wrong with you? On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Not sure if I should say anything, I may be accused of being ignorant by the new high master of knowledge.

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance

2010-12-18 Thread Dieselhead
That is another great thought from down under!I love the spirit of OZ. It is so like what used to be called the American spirit! One of the fatal signs of PD (programmers' disease) is the utter inability of those infected to see how useless all the added feature creep is. While PD used

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-18 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yes I saw you where back and it seems back to your usual way of expressing yourself. I reckon I still have the right to express thoughts on this list or perhaps you are now in charge and only mad rants, directed at whole sections of list members, are allowed (ie. the haters and ignorant ones)

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-18 Thread Gary Hurst
you and penoff are identical cousins maybe? the fools have already driven jaime off the lists. what more do you want from him? he's left. everyone here must be like you? On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Yes I saw you where back and it seems back

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-18 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Ok, I'm a nobody with less experience than most list member's pinky toes, but I won't stand people outright flaming. I don't care to know the exact nature of what was going on when I first joined the list, but it seems to be repeating itself. I don't know why. I don't care who started it, or

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-18 Thread Gary Hurst
if you wish to learn, it's probably not best to drive jaime to unsubscribe. he's not only a good fella, but has much specialized knowledge. first to drive him off and then to just keep piling on is not stylish i also got an email from richard, the founder of this list, regarding the endless

Re: [MBZ] more 140 ignorance and hate

2010-12-18 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I don't think I perrsonally drove anyone away. I rarely intervene in the general flow of the list, and what little I do say is usualy looking for tidbits of information to help with my project, or a reply to an off-topic discussion. I guess I slipped up by giving an opinion about the double pane