Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Max,

In researching possible mods to the 1492s in my W140 chassis cars, I looked at 
the CD changer inputs and determined that they cannot be used for auxiliary 
inputs.  This is due to the need for a signal to be coming back from the 
changer for the changer input to be active.  It’s not something you can “fake”, 
either.

I believe the Becker folks do it by connecting to the tape head on the cassette 
player section in order to get it to work.

Dan





> On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jaime,
> 
> The aftermarket Sony radio in my '87 wagon finally died, and whomever
> installed it really hacked up the factory wiring.  Some of the original
> connectors appear to be there, I found two.  Looks like the factory radio
> should have been a Becker Grand Prix, model 754.
> 
> I've got a spare Becker 1492, which I'd like to install.  This afternoon I
> went by a local pick-n-pull and from a W202 I cut the radio connectors and
> about a foot of the factory wiring, so I have connectors that fit into the
> back of the 1492 including the CD changer port.
> 
> Q1: What to do with the nearly-dead fader switch in the center console?
> Should I bypass, or bite the bullet and get a new fader switch.  If bypass,
> have you got a wiring diagram?  I have already tried a thorough cleaning
> with De-Ox-It, which helped a little, but it is still pretty miserable.
> 
> Q2: The 1492 has a connection port for a CD changer, but I have no such
> thing in the wagon.  Have you a wiring diagram so I can make an aux input
> connection?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan,

Thanks for that info on the CD changer port.  I've got a couple of old CD
changers, not sure if either works, maybe I can enlist Rich to figure out
what the CD changer is saying to the radio to make the CD input active.

I have seen a couple of "hacks" to solder the aux cables to the cassette
tape board, that doesn't look too bad.  One hack required that a gutted
tape be inserted in the tape player to make the tape input active, but I
wonder if the radio would then count down the 30 hours and then call for
the head cleaning.

I still need to decide how to tackle the fader switch.  Perhaps the only
redeeming feature of the so-called "installation" job done to the car
earlier is that they didn't mess with the fader switch and wiring.

If I keep the fader switch, do I only feed it the front speaker signals
from the 1492, or should I combine the front and rear signals (more power)
to feed the fader?  My gut tells me that combining the signals is a bad
idea, so if no one can answer that I'll probably only feed either the front
or the rear signals to the fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max,
>
> In researching possible mods to the 1492s in my W140 chassis cars, I
> looked at the CD changer inputs and determined that they cannot be used for
> auxiliary inputs.  This is due to the need for a signal to be coming back
> from the changer for the changer input to be active.  It’s not something
> you can “fake”, either.
>
> I believe the Becker folks do it by connecting to the tape head on the
> cassette player section in order to get it to work.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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[MBZ] M119 oilers

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. 

Thanks again. 
If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let
me know. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Damn my webmail client. 
I hit reply all to one of Dan's forum posts, 
DELETED the mercedes list from the recipient list, and it sent a personal
message intended for Dan to the list anyway. 
Which reminds me, my prepaid year of discounted 1and1 service is up in a couple
of weeks. 
Any suggestions for a new email/domain host?

Mitch. 

> On June 19, 2015 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. 
> 
> Thanks again. 
> If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let
> me know. 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I dumped 1&1 a year ago for GoDaddy. I've been pleased, although I don't care 
for their (POP) email, as you have to go and clean it out regularly or your 
mail bounces when it gets full.

That's the only complaint I have. They were very helpful in transferring my 
domains. 1&1 were real jerks about it and made it as difficult as possible. 
GoDaddy was pretty good about getting on their case and shaking things loose 
when 1&1 was stalling.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Damn my webmail client. 
> I hit reply all to one of Dan's forum posts, 
> DELETED the mercedes list from the recipient list, and it sent a personal
> message intended for Dan to the list anyway. 
> Which reminds me, my prepaid year of discounted 1and1 service is up in a 
> couple
> of weeks. 
> Any suggestions for a new email/domain host?
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On June 19, 2015 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'. 
>> 
>> Thanks again. 
>> If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, 
>> let
>> me know.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I think those fader "swithces" are just variable resistors/potentiometer 
things. put a meter on it and see what it does.


Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but 
any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass 
it and use the "native" function.


Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for 
the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I 
put a new unit in there.  I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a 
bluetooth module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette 
line.  The unit itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line 
so just a matter of putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere 
near the unit.  Of course this is on my "to-do" list...  Some people 
have found success by just opening up the unit and looking at the board 
or inputs and just tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or 
plug or something on the main board -- apparently most of them are 
annotated on the boards or it is easy enough to see what goes where.


--R



On 6/19/15 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Dan,

Thanks for that info on the CD changer port.  I've got a couple of old CD
changers, not sure if either works, maybe I can enlist Rich to figure out
what the CD changer is saying to the radio to make the CD input active.

I have seen a couple of "hacks" to solder the aux cables to the cassette
tape board, that doesn't look too bad.  One hack required that a gutted
tape be inserted in the tape player to make the tape input active, but I
wonder if the radio would then count down the 30 hours and then call for
the head cleaning.

I still need to decide how to tackle the fader switch.  Perhaps the only
redeeming feature of the so-called "installation" job done to the car
earlier is that they didn't mess with the fader switch and wiring.

If I keep the fader switch, do I only feed it the front speaker signals
from the 1492, or should I combine the front and rear signals (more power)
to feed the fader?  My gut tells me that combining the signals is a bad
idea, so if no one can answer that I'll probably only feed either the front
or the rear signals to the fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Max,

In researching possible mods to the 1492s in my W140 chassis cars, I
looked at the CD changer inputs and determined that they cannot be used for
auxiliary inputs.  This is due to the need for a signal to be coming back
from the changer for the changer input to be active.  It’s not something
you can “fake”, either.

I believe the Becker folks do it by connecting to the tape head on the
cassette player section in order to get it to work.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I use iPower, no issues

--R



On 6/19/15 9:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I dumped 1&1 a year ago for GoDaddy. I've been pleased, although I don't care 
for their (POP) email, as you have to go and clean it out regularly or your mail 
bounces when it gets full.

That's the only complaint I have. They were very helpful in transferring my domains. 
1&1 were real jerks about it and made it as difficult as possible. GoDaddy was 
pretty good about getting on their case and shaking things loose when 1&1 was 
stalling.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

Damn my webmail client.
I hit reply all to one of Dan's forum posts,
DELETED the mercedes list from the recipient list, and it sent a personal
message intended for Dan to the list anyway.
Which reminds me, my prepaid year of discounted 1and1 service is up in a couple
of weeks.
Any suggestions for a new email/domain host?

Mitch.


On June 19, 2015 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
wrote:


Well, they finally track as 'out for delivery'.

Thanks again.
If you need anything, like a W140 door check or a M119 thermostat/housing, let
me know.

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Rich.  I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like
to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so
that it can be restored to stock in the future.  I'm not having much luck
finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires
to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers.

Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the
best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs.  I'm
not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the
signals.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think those fader "swithces" are just variable resistors/potentiometer
> things. put a meter on it and see what it does.
>
> Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but
> any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it
> and use the "native" function.
>
> Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for
> the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put
> a new unit in there.  I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth
> module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line.  The unit
> itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of
> putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit.  Of
> course this is on my "to-do" list...  Some people have found success by
> just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just
> tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the
> main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is
> easy enough to see what goes where.
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If you leave the fader connected for the rears, a rear-seat
passenger can lean forward and turn down his own volume when
you're making it too loud in back!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn 
the fader "off" -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to 
flow.  Won't bugger the switch.


--R



On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks Rich.  I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like
to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so
that it can be restored to stock in the future.  I'm not having much luck
finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires
to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers.

Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the
best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs.  I'm
not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the
signals.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I think those fader "swithces" are just variable resistors/potentiometer
things. put a meter on it and see what it does.

Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but
any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass it
and use the "native" function.

Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for
the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I put
a new unit in there.  I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a bluetooth
module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line.  The unit
itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter of
putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit.  Of
course this is on my "to-do" list...  Some people have found success by
just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just
tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on the
main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it is
easy enough to see what goes where.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You do need an intervention - only ONE 123 300TD wagon??

Andrew - intervention unnecessary
1983 300TD
1985 300TD

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x
> 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo
> V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay
> before I wake up a soprano.
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
> > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:14:06 -0400
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
> >
> > You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving?
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The issue is that the fader gets two-channel input (only two wires), and
outputs four-channels (only four wires).  The _ground_ or _negative_ signal
to the speakers doesn't go through the fader, it goes from the radio
through connector X48H and X48G, which are not listed in the FSM index of
connector locations.  I suspect they are somewhere under the center
console.  So I would need to run two more wires to that fader socket for
either the front or the rear speakers, OR I could go directly to the front
speakers from the radio (those connectors are readily available right
behind the radio hole), and then jumper the fader input wires to the rear
speaker signals.  Unfortunately the electrical diagram from the FSM does
not give pin numbers at the fader socket, so I guess that will be trial and
error with a 9v battery.

I'm concerned because I've read in several forum posts that modern radios
don't like how Mercedes grounded the speakers in the 80's, now I need to
see how the Becker 1492 installation compares to my 87 wagon, maybe in
'94/'95 Mercedes continued with its speaker grounding method and the 1492
won't care.

I'd like to put the Aux Input plug in the hole for the fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn
> the fader "off" -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to
> flow.  Won't bugger the switch.
>
> --R
>
>
>
>
> On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rich.  I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like
>> to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so
>> that it can be restored to stock in the future.  I'm not having much luck
>> finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires
>> to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers.
>>
>> Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the
>> best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs.  I'm
>> not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the
>> signals.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I think those fader "swithces" are just variable resistors/potentiometer
>>> things. put a meter on it and see what it does.
>>>
>>> Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but
>>> any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass
>>> it
>>> and use the "native" function.
>>>
>>> Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for
>>> the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I
>>> put
>>> a new unit in there.  I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a
>>> bluetooth
>>> module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line.  The
>>> unit
>>> itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter
>>> of
>>> putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit.  Of
>>> course this is on my "to-do" list...  Some people have found success by
>>> just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just
>>> tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on
>>> the
>>> main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it
>>> is
>>> easy enough to see what goes where.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Probably easier to just snake new wires back to the speakers and then 
connect directly to the head unit or the connector or whatever you can 
get to


--R



On 6/19/15 10:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

The issue is that the fader gets two-channel input (only two wires), and
outputs four-channels (only four wires).  The _ground_ or _negative_ signal
to the speakers doesn't go through the fader, it goes from the radio
through connector X48H and X48G, which are not listed in the FSM index of
connector locations.  I suspect they are somewhere under the center
console.  So I would need to run two more wires to that fader socket for
either the front or the rear speakers, OR I could go directly to the front
speakers from the radio (those connectors are readily available right
behind the radio hole), and then jumper the fader input wires to the rear
speaker signals.  Unfortunately the electrical diagram from the FSM does
not give pin numbers at the fader socket, so I guess that will be trial and
error with a 9v battery.

I'm concerned because I've read in several forum posts that modern radios
don't like how Mercedes grounded the speakers in the 80's, now I need to
see how the Becker 1492 installation compares to my 87 wagon, maybe in
'94/'95 Mercedes continued with its speaker grounding method and the 1492
won't care.

I'd like to put the Aux Input plug in the hole for the fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn
the fader "off" -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to
flow.  Won't bugger the switch.

--R




On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


Thanks Rich.  I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like
to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so
that it can be restored to stock in the future.  I'm not having much luck
finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires
to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers.

Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the
best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs.  I'm
not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the
signals.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  I think those fader "swithces" are just variable resistors/potentiometer

things. put a meter on it and see what it does.

Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but
any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass
it
and use the "native" function.

Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for
the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I
put
a new unit in there.  I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a
bluetooth
module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line.  The
unit
itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter
of
putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit.  Of
course this is on my "to-do" list...  Some people have found success by
just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just
tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on
the
main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it
is
easy enough to see what goes where.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

maybe you too are transGerman?

RB


On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 
1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think 
that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up 
a soprano.

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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Be careful  saying that to an Englishman. LOL.
On Jun 19, 2015 11:22 AM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> maybe you too are transGerman?
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x
>> 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo
>> V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay
>> before I wake up a soprano.
>>
>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an 
Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca
> 
> maybe you too are transGerman?
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 
> > 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo 
> > V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay 
> > before I wake up a soprano.
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Huh?

That, with all the Mercedes in your driveway make you a 
transDeutscheser fer sure!



RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, 
an Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... 
mongrel.


Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca

 maybe you too are transGerman?

 RB


 On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
 > Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 
2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 
2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for 
Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano.

 >

 > > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.



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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Mine!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 +
From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: benzomatik

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/161717348413?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=ZSbijVk0TZ3VIAtXbVm0wzDWqnc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Fred Moir

Lynn MA

Diesel preferred.



Someone else made the mistake of buying Yokohama tires.  $2500 damage 
to this one too?  Maybe not.


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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

me too, I guess - Norwegian, English, German, Dutch, and Scottish and 
Irish mixture from what I know about grandparents and great grandparents
plus a fellow from Australia who shares our name told us that his 
geneological research took the name back to Hugonots (SP?) who left 
France for England so maybe some French too.


RB

On 19/06/2015 11:13 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an 
Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca

maybe you too are transGerman?

RB


On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 
1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think 
that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up 
a soprano.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I though Welsh...

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> me too, I guess - Norwegian, English, German, Dutch, and Scottish and
> Irish mixture from what I know about grandparents and great grandparents
> plus a fellow from Australia who shares our name told us that his
> geneological research took the name back to Hugonots (SP?) who left France
> for England so maybe some French too.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 19/06/2015 11:13 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an
>> Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel.
>>
>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>>
>>  Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca
>>>
>>> maybe you too are transGerman?
>>>
>>> RB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x
 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo
 V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay
 before I wake up a soprano.

 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

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[MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 
240d needs some love.

In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)

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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum.

Dan

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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
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> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on 
> my 240d needs some love.
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> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos 
on the matter.

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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum.
> 
> Dan
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on 
>> my 240d needs some love.
>> 
>> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bergsma is an idiot in a lot of instances, in my opinion.

The absolute best thing I found back in my W123/126 days was to use a cloth 
wheel and rouge to polish the crap out of it, removing most of the haze, and 
then use a wipe on clear coat whose name escapes me, although I'm sure I could 
find it if I needed to.

Once anodized aluminum starts to get filmy or milky, there's not really a lot 
of solutions. The best long term approach is what I suggested above. I never 
found anything better. The only alternative is replacement.

And for gosh sakes, whatever you do, don't pull the trim, black rubber or 
aluminum, off of the rain gutters. You'll never get it back on. Don't ask me 
how I know...

Dan pinin' for a nice W126 diesel

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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos 
> on the matter.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on 
>>> my 240d needs some love.
>>> 
>>> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This is how every MB I've owned other than my '81 300TD with the factory Becker 
has worked. The '84 190D I ran the wires myself...
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas  
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
   
Probably easier to just snake new wires back to the speakers and then 
connect directly to the head unit or the connector or whatever you can 
get to

--R



On 6/19/15 10:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> The issue is that the fader gets two-channel input (only two wires), and
> outputs four-channels (only four wires).  The _ground_ or _negative_ signal
> to the speakers doesn't go through the fader, it goes from the radio
> through connector X48H and X48G, which are not listed in the FSM index of
> connector locations.  I suspect they are somewhere under the center
> console.  So I would need to run two more wires to that fader socket for
> either the front or the rear speakers, OR I could go directly to the front
> speakers from the radio (those connectors are readily available right
> behind the radio hole), and then jumper the fader input wires to the rear
> speaker signals.  Unfortunately the electrical diagram from the FSM does
> not give pin numbers at the fader socket, so I guess that will be trial and
> error with a 9v battery.
>
> I'm concerned because I've read in several forum posts that modern radios
> don't like how Mercedes grounded the speakers in the 80's, now I need to
> see how the Becker 1492 installation compares to my 87 wagon, maybe in
> '94/'95 Mercedes continued with its speaker grounding method and the 1492
> won't care.
>
> I'd like to put the Aux Input plug in the hole for the fader.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> You could just clip a jumper across the terminals for each side and turn
>> the fader "off" -- that will create the easy path for the electrons to
>> flow.  Won't bugger the switch.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/19/15 9:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rich.  I think the easy route will be to bypass the fader, I'd like
>>> to figure out how to do that without cutting off the fader connector so
>>> that it can be restored to stock in the future.  I'm not having much luck
>>> finding a DIY on the intertubes for which pins to jumper (or run new wires
>>> to) in order to route sound signal to the rear speakers.
>>>
>>> Aux input: yes, it looks like hacking into the cassette board will be the
>>> best option, if I can't figure out how to use the CD changer inputs.  I'm
>>> not sure how to approach that yet, may need an o-scope to sample the
>>> signals.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I think those fader "swithces" are just variable resistors/potentiometer
 things. put a meter on it and see what it does.

 Newer head units (I don't mean Beckers -- no idea what they have -- but
 any other thing you buy) have the fader built in so you can just bypass
 it
 and use the "native" function.

 Again, I don't know about Beckers but I was looking at the schematic for
 the radio in my truck, which I liberated from the 2000 Suburban when I
 put
 a new unit in there.  I want to put an aux input for an ipod or a
 bluetooth
 module, and the way to do that is to tap into the cassette line.  The
 unit
 itself has a remote cassette player that uses that line so just a matter
 of
 putting the wires and a mini-plug socket somewhere near the unit.  Of
 course this is on my "to-do" list...  Some people have found success by
 just opening up the unit and looking at the board or inputs and just
 tapping/splicing into the proper wire or trace or plug or something on
 the
 main board -- apparently most of them are annotated on the boards or it
 is
 easy enough to see what goes where.

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin 
worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find 
one cheap.
-Curt

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Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 
240d needs some love.

In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)

Darren 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sheesh Dan the rain gutter stuff ain't nothin to apply, you gotta make a tool 
though. I took a small dowel and cut a groove in it that would force the trim 
on and pinch it slightly. Then you take all dang day slowly wedging the whole 
length of the trim on...
-Curt
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 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
   
Bergsma is an idiot in a lot of instances, in my opinion.

The absolute best thing I found back in my W123/126 days was to use a cloth 
wheel and rouge to polish the crap out of it, removing most of the haze, and 
then use a wipe on clear coat whose name escapes me, although I'm sure I could 
find it if I needed to.

Once anodized aluminum starts to get filmy or milky, there's not really a lot 
of solutions. The best long term approach is what I suggested above. I never 
found anything better. The only alternative is replacement.

And for gosh sakes, whatever you do, don't pull the trim, black rubber or 
aluminum, off of the rain gutters. You'll never get it back on. Don't ask me 
how I know...

Dan pinin' for a nice W126 diesel

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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of videos 
> on the matter.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on 
>>> my 240d needs some love.
>>> 
>>> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
>>> 
>>> Darren 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little
rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been
resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the
doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is
"Calendonia"

As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to
replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be
re-tracked.

She's a real looker from 5ft

214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement
tension bolt but can't seem to find one.

https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/

I also have no idea what it's actually worth

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> Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the
> tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I
> could find one cheap.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Darren Marshall 
>  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
>
> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim
> on my 240d needs some love.
>
> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Auto or manual?
I paid $1500 for my last 240D, $400 for the one before that and $1500 for the 
one before that. I'll give you $1500 if you deliver ;)
Seriously it sounds like at least a $2500 car to me, probably more. $1500 
doesn't buy you much car anymore...
-Curt
  From: Darren Marshall 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
   
I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little rust, 
nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been resprayed in 
the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the doors, but with a 
good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is "Calendonia" 
As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to replace a 
driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be re-tracked. 
She's a real looker from 5ft 
214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement 
tension bolt but can't seem to find one.
https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/

I also have no idea what it's actually worth


On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the tin 
worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I could find 
one cheap.
-Curt

      From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
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Cc: Darren Marshall 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim on my 
240d needs some love.

In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)

Darren
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The easiest of all will be finding the rear speaker wire connections,
hopefully in the center console and accessible without too much trouble.
If I can find those, then I can connect the radio directly to the speakers,
bypassing the fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> This is how every MB I've owned other than my '81 300TD with the factory
> Becker has worked. The '84 190D I ran the wires myself...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

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Actually now that you mention it I think it was the '78 240D I ran new wires 
on, on the '84 I think I spliced into the wires that were already there leaving 
it so it'd be easy to reconfigure to factory if somebody wanted to.
-Curt
  From: Meade Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement
   
The easiest of all will be finding the rear speaker wire connections, hopefully 
in the center console and accessible without too much trouble.  If I can find 
those, then I can connect the radio directly to the speakers, bypassing the 
fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC



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 wrote:

This is how every MB I've owned other than my '81 300TD with the factory Becker 
has worked. The '84 190D I ran the wires myself...
-Curt      




  
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, it's not, as long as you fabricate the tool. I made mine out of a piece of 
scrap oak and it worked just fine.  A bit frightening when brandishing a big 
hammer with a piece of oak right next to a freshly painted finish.

That being said there are those out there who might not be inclined to do this, 
or unable to find the diagram of the tool in the W123 C&B manual.

The black rubber part is especially nasty, as if it gets the least bit 
distorted while handling it the metal core won't "grip" the anodized aluminum 
in the rain gutter.

I'm talking about the trim on a W123 wagon. Tough stuff to work with.

Dan


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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sheesh Dan the rain gutter stuff ain't nothin to apply, you gotta make a tool 
> though. I took a small dowel and cut a groove in it that would force the trim 
> on and pinch it slightly. Then you take all dang day slowly wedging the whole 
> length of the trim on...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

$500. Send title.

Dan channeling Kleb and DBT

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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little
> rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been
> resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the
> doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is
> "Calendonia"
> 
> As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to
> replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be
> re-tracked.
> 
> She's a real looker from 5ft
> 
> 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement
> tension bolt but can't seem to find one.
> 
> https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/
> 
> I also have no idea what it's actually worth
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the
>> tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I
>> could find one cheap.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Darren Marshall 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
>> 
>> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim
>> on my 240d needs some love.
>> 
>> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
>> 
>> Darren
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[MBZ] Service Manual CDs?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts of 
the "classics" manuals covering W110/111/112, too.

Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe legacy 
issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'll give $501. ;)
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Dan Penoff  
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
   
$500. Send title.

Dan channeling Kleb and DBT

Sent from my iPad



> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little
> rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been
> resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the
> doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is
> "Calendonia"
> 
> As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to
> replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be
> re-tracked.
> 
> She's a real looker from 5ft
> 
> 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a replacement
> tension bolt but can't seem to find one.
> 
> https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/
> 
> I also have no idea what it's actually worth
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it, the
>> tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I
>> could find one cheap.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Darren Marshall 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
>> 
>> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim
>> on my 240d needs some love.
>> 
>> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
>> 
>> Darren
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Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those).

-Max

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and parts
> of the "classics" manuals covering W110/111/112, too.
>
> Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe
> legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems
>
> Dan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

For those seeking 123/123/126/201/107 MBZ service manuals, check out the
links at this site:


That page says:

"These links were provided by Jim Norris.  They are the official repair
manuals from Mercedes-Benz.  The links are to the W123, W124, W126, W201 and
the R107 chassis.  For those not familiar with these chassis numbers, they
are the factory designations for various body styles.  The W123 would be
most familiar to you as a 240D, 300D, or 300TD from the 70's and early 80's
(1985 last year of production), W124 replaced the W123 in 1986 and was built
until 1995.  Most common W124's in the U.S. were the 300E and 300TE.  The
W126 (S-Class) came to the U.S. in 1981 and was built until 1991.  Most
common models were the 300 SE, 420SEL, and 560 SEL., The W201 (E-Class)
replaced the W124 in 1996.  Most common W201 is the E320.  Finally the
infamous R107. This is the SL that was built from 1972 to 1989.  
these attached links are excellent sources of information, to included
copies of the original owner's manuals.  Enjoy.

W123: 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/?requestedDocId=12265
  
W124: 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264
  
W126: 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/?requestedDocId=12253
  
W201: 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832
  
R107: 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/?requestedDocId=11883

For the master list of available online manuals, go to 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/doclist.jsp  "


> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
> 
> I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those).
> 
> -Max
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and
parts
> > of the "classics" manuals covering W110/111/112, too.
> >
> > Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic Adobe
> > legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems
> >
> > Dan
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Supplemental:  The final link (master list of online manuals) will not work
unless you first go to 
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/
and then click the "MB Workshop Resources" link (which takes you to the same
place).  It's some kind of Java thing.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:59 PM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Cc: Scott Ritchey
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
> 
> For those seeking 123/123/126/201/107 MBZ service manuals, check out the
> links at this site:
>  id=14
> :links-to-offical-mb-manuals-online-&catid=1:welcome>
> 
> That page says:
> 
> "These links were provided by Jim Norris.  They are the official repair
manuals
> from Mercedes-Benz.  The links are to the W123, W124, W126, W201 and the
> R107 chassis.  For those not familiar with these chassis numbers, they are
the
> factory designations for various body styles.  The W123 would be most
familiar
> to you as a 240D, 300D, or 300TD from the 70's and early 80's
> (1985 last year of production), W124 replaced the W123 in 1986 and was
built
> until 1995.  Most common W124's in the U.S. were the 300E and 300TE.  The
> W126 (S-Class) came to the U.S. in 1981 and was built until 1991.  Most
> common models were the 300 SE, 420SEL, and 560 SEL., The W201 (E-Class)
> replaced the W124 in 1996.  Most common W201 is the E320.  Finally the
> infamous R107. This is the SL that was built from 1972 to 1989.
> these attached links are excellent sources of information, to included
copies of
> the original owner's manuals.  Enjoy.
> 
> W123:
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/?requestedDocId=12265
> 
> W124:
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264
> 
> W126:
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/?requestedDocId=12253
> 
> W201:
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832
> 
> R107:
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/?requestedDocId=11883
> 
> For the master list of available online manuals, go to
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/doclist.jsp  "
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:42 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
> >
> > I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those).
> >
> > -Max
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126, and
> parts
> > > of the "classics" manuals covering W110/111/112, too.
> > >
> > > Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic
Adobe
> > > legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelled of elderberries!

--R



On 6/19/15 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I though Welsh...

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


me too, I guess - Norwegian, English, German, Dutch, and Scottish and
Irish mixture from what I know about grandparents and great grandparents
plus a fellow from Australia who shares our name told us that his
geneological research took the name back to Hugonots (SP?) who left France
for England so maybe some French too.

RB


On 19/06/2015 11:13 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


RB.Not trans-german but some german heritage. Plus, I am, after all, an
Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/Scot/Pict/Ancien-Anglais/ Norman French... mongrel.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

  Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:22:04 -0500

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
CC: rbenn...@bennell.ca

maybe you too are transGerman?

RB


On 18/06/2015 10:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x
1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo
V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay
before I wake up a soprano.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[MG via Mercedes]

Max, The fader on my 123 just plugs into the wiring right under 
it. Makes it easy to replace and to run new wires from the radio 
to that plug. No need to look for any other plug in point.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:21:35 -0400
From: Meade Dillon 

The easiest of all will be finding the rear speaker wire connections,
hopefully in the center console and accessible without too much 
trouble.
If I can find those, then I can connect the radio directly to the 
speakers,

bypassing the fader.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015

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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

I blow my nose in your general direction!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:41:17 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
> 
> Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelled of elderberries!
> 
> --R
  
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Hi Meade,
You can easily bypass the fader switch... In earlier cars (which I'm
familiar with) the fader switch wiring harness has connections to the rear
speakers in the center console.  If you work with the wire, you can stretch
them up to the radio.  No need to run new wires to the rear.  I run new
wiring to the fronts, since the factory wiring is part of the factory fader
harness.  Normally I do this with out cutting anything (I have lots of the
male factory speaker connectors, and access to the original crimp tool for
them) so I can return the car to original.

The original style speaker connectors are labeled + and - if you look very
carefully at the plastic pieces.

Good luck!
Jaime


On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> The aftermarket Sony radio in my '87 wagon finally died, and whomever
> installed it really hacked up the factory wiring.  Some of the original
> connectors appear to be there, I found two.  Looks like the factory radio
> should have been a Becker Grand Prix, model 754.
>
> I've got a spare Becker 1492, which I'd like to install.  This afternoon I
> went by a local pick-n-pull and from a W202 I cut the radio connectors and
> about a foot of the factory wiring, so I have connectors that fit into the
> back of the 1492 including the CD changer port.
>
> Q1: What to do with the nearly-dead fader switch in the center console?
> Should I bypass, or bite the bullet and get a new fader switch.  If bypass,
> have you got a wiring diagram?  I have already tried a thorough cleaning
> with De-Ox-It, which helped a little, but it is still pretty miserable.
>
> Q2: The 1492 has a connection port for a CD changer, but I have no such
> thing in the wagon.  Have you a wiring diagram so I can make an aux input
> connection?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You guys need to check your quotes:

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”

"I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English 
K-nig-hts."

Dan "Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a 
system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the 
masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony” actually sounds pretty good in 
today’s political climate




> On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I blow my nose in your general direction!
> 
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> 
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:41:17 -0400
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> CC: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
>> 
>> Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelled of elderberries!
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I will give 502.
On Jun 19, 2015 3:39 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I'll give $501. ;)
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:30 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
>
> $500. Send title.
>
> Dan channeling Kleb and DBT
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'll get more pics together, body is in great condition, very very little
> > rust, nothing on the underside or wheel wells, I think it may have been
> > resprayed in the 80s, clearcoat seems to have disappeared on one of the
> > doors, but with a good wax you can't tell ;) -- I think the color is
> > "Calendonia"
> >
> > As mentioned trim is oxidized, interior is almost mint, but I had to
> > replace a driver seat which was an 8hr pain in the ass, and needs to be
> > re-tracked.
> >
> > She's a real looker from 5ft
> >
> > 214k miles, I'm having belt issues regularly. I think I need a
> replacement
> > tension bolt but can't seem to find one.
> >
> > https://instagram.com/p/1rU7lvCgqb/
> >
> > I also have no idea what it's actually worth
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is it nice? How cheap are you letting it go? My 190D has about had it,
> the
> >> tin worm will not be denied any longer. I'm considering a new W123 if I
> >> could find one cheap.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>  From: Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Darren Marshall 
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:42 AM
> >> Subject: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim
> >>
> >> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome trim
> >> on my 240d needs some love.
> >>
> >> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
> >>
> >> Darren
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing oxidized chrome trim

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan. The,anodized  aluminum  on the window trim on my 300CD is not
pretty. Sticks out so much on the coupe.
On Jun 19, 2015 2:49 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Bergsma is an idiot in a lot of instances, in my opinion.
>
> The absolute best thing I found back in my W123/126 days was to use a
> cloth wheel and rouge to polish the crap out of it, removing most of the
> haze, and then use a wipe on clear coat whose name escapes me, although I'm
> sure I could find it if I needed to.
>
> Once anodized aluminum starts to get filmy or milky, there's not really a
> lot of solutions. The best long term approach is what I suggested above. I
> never found anything better. The only alternative is replacement.
>
> And for gosh sakes, whatever you do, don't pull the trim, black rubber or
> aluminum, off of the rain gutters. You'll never get it back on. Don't ask
> me how I know...
>
> Dan pinin' for a nice W126 diesel
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Anodized aluminum is a bitch to beautify. Kent Bergsma has a series of
> videos on the matter.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What chrome trim? Most of the trim is anodized aluminum.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anyone successfully deal with this before without replacing? Chrome
> trim on my 240d needs some love.
> >>>
> >>> In other news I may have to sell it :( new baby on the way :)
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Re: [MBZ] M119 oilers

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:04:52 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 1&1 were real jerks about it and made it as difficult as possible.
> GoDaddy was pretty good about getting on their case and shaking things
> loose when 1&1 was stalling.

When I switched email from 1&1, the folks at SWCP were wary that 1&1
would play games. They had me log on to the system, change my settings so
changes could be made, and then give them the password so they could do
everything that was needed. 1&1 found out about my changing when the
domain name records were updated -- they never saw it coming.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:59:51 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Supplemental:  The final link (master list of online manuals) will not
> work unless you first go to 
> http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/

I went to the URL above, but the last link give me an error:

Error 500: java.lang.NullPointerException


Craig


> and then click the "MB Workshop Resources" link (which takes you to the
> same place).  It's some kind of Java thing.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:59 PM
> > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> > Cc: Scott Ritchey
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
> > 
> > For those seeking 123/123/126/201/107 MBZ service manuals, check out
> > the links at this site:
> >  > id=14
> > :links-to-offical-mb-manuals-online-&catid=1:welcome>
> > 
> > That page says:
> > 
> > "These links were provided by Jim Norris.  They are the official
> > repair
> manuals
> > from Mercedes-Benz.  The links are to the W123, W124, W126, W201 and
> > the R107 chassis.  For those not familiar with these chassis numbers,
> > they are
> the
> > factory designations for various body styles.  The W123 would be most
> familiar
> > to you as a 240D, 300D, or 300TD from the 70's and early 80's
> > (1985 last year of production), W124 replaced the W123 in 1986 and was
> built
> > until 1995.  Most common W124's in the U.S. were the 300E and 300TE.
> > The W126 (S-Class) came to the U.S. in 1981 and was built until
> > 1991.  Most common models were the 300 SE, 420SEL, and 560 SEL., The
> > W201 (E-Class) replaced the W124 in 1996.  Most common W201 is the
> > E320.  Finally the infamous R107. This is the SL that was built from
> > 1972 to 1989. these attached links are excellent sources of
> > information, to included
> copies of
> > the original owner's manuals.  Enjoy.
> > 
> > W123:
> > http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/?requestedDocId=12265
> > 
> > W124:
> > http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264
> > 
> > W126:
> > http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/?requestedDocId=12253
> > 
> > W201:
> > http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832
> > 
> > R107:
> > http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/?requestedDocId=11883
> > 
> > For the master list of available online manuals, go to
> > http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/doclist.jsp  "
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:42 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Service Manual CDs?
> > >
> > > I'd like all but the 123 CD's (I have those).
> > >
> > > -Max
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I found a bunch of service manual CDs the other day. W123, W126,
> > > > and
> > parts
> > > > of the "classics" manuals covering W110/111/112, too.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone interested in these? They'll probably have the problematic
> Adobe
> > > > legacy issues this stuff encounters on later Windoze systems
> > > >
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[MBZ] This guy is on a bad acid trip

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:15:31 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount
> of solar power available.  This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square
> meter is the peak under ideal conditions.  A more usable number is 200
> watts during daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and
> reduced energy reaching ground when the sun is low in the sky.
> 
> By comparison, 1 gallon of diesel has the potential energy of 130,000
> BTU's.  200 watts of solar power is the equivalent of about 3400 BTU's /
> hour.  That ~40 order of magnatude difference is why we drive cars and
> trucks with internal combustion engines and why we don't have solar cars
> (or airplanes) that can do useful things.

1000 Watts = 3412 BTU/hr
 200 Watts = 682.4 BTU/hr

130,000
--- = 190.5
 682.4

So, it's roughly a factor of 190, not 40 orders of magnitude (= 10^40).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This guy is on a bad acid trip

[G Mann via Mercedes]

+5 points for at least stating the "AC does NOT blow ice cold"..

On the other hand.. I can buy same year and model.. 28,000 more miles..
$1,400 here.. interior is just as nice... tires maybe as nice.. etc etc..

Shall I buy that one and sell it in OK?

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Re: [MBZ] This guy is on a bad acid trip

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I appreciate the honesty, which is as fulsome as his stupidity.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> +5 points for at least stating the "AC does NOT blow ice cold"..
>
> On the other hand.. I can buy same year and model.. 28,000 more miles..
> $1,400 here.. interior is just as nice... tires maybe as nice.. etc etc..
>
> Shall I buy that one and sell it in OK?
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
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> >
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