Re: [MBZ] Cheap fix for 124 front window regulator missing teeth?
That I can do, although it might require taking the old regulator out to drill holes, and I was trying to avoid that... For ultimate satisfaction, assuming the sector gear is steel (don't have a 124, no experience), I'd suggest taking it out and using a welder to put back steel, then file/grind the teeth back. That, in fact, would likely be _easier_ than what you propose, assuming you have to take the regulator out in any event. Good as new in an hour? Mine too, but buying a $350 300E in basically good working order has driven me to new depths of cheapness for the amusement value and challenge. (So far the total expenditure, car plus parts, to make a decent daily driver, stands at $550 or so, plus about 15 hours' labor here and there.) Welcome to my world! Keeping the total tab low can be a very fun game to play, and often can 'justify' acquiring cool new tools. (Separate budget, tool money doesn't count!) It's amazing how little money you can spend to get a well-functioning and reliable daily driver of the sort we love here, assuming you've got no fear, time and tools, and perhaps no pride (of the conventional sort). My mom, upon hearing of my stunt welding pieces of microwave oven over the holes in the Frankenheap's sheet metal, helpfully suggested that I cut the cord off so it wouldn't drag on the ground. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: I bought a Millermatic 175, their smallest 220V welder. The extra heat capacity could come in handy, though I don't believe I've had to turn it up all the way yet. I like the continuous heat and wire speed settings that it has. I'm a little suspicious of buying something that's rated at up to the very thickness of material you need to tackle for the first project. I paid an extra $100 for 220V, and another extra $100 for blue (Miller), I think it came in at about $500. Gas bottle extra. (And gas refills around here _really_ jumped up in price lately. Doubled?) 1/8 steel is relatively easy to weld. I might suggest the basic $50 yard-sale stick welder for that. I have a Miller that I bought for that price. That and an auto-darkening helmet and some gloves and you're in business. No help on aluminum, though. Welding aluminum is tricky. You need, as I recall, to really crank up the heat/feed to make it work. You also really need a spool gun, or at least a teflon liner for the existing rig. Aluminum kinks very easily, so you have to keep the lead very straight. If you have to do a lot of it the spool gun is easier. You need a larger tip for the aluminum wire. The same rig that'll do 1/8 steel will _not_ do 1/8 aluminum, not enough heat. The little aluminum welding I've done looks _bad_. (But worked.) Beautiful welds on aluminum seem to be done with great skill, and/or TIG welders. (Supposedly you can weld aluminum with an oxyacetylene rig, I've never tried.) You also need Argon shielding gas, not the cheaper CO2 mixes. I have a separate small Ar bottle for aluminum. You must use gas when welding aluminum. That narrows your choices a bit. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
If I were to buy a new welder, it would be a Lincoln 180C. Next choice would be a 140C. http://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/e7242.pdf http://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/e724.pdf Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would take about an hour...Estimated cost about $55 - $60. BillR Welding is cool (hot?) s**t. Fast, cheap, and strong. Hard not to like it! -- Jim - I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: Lincoln Electric Handy Core Wire Feed Welder at $278.00 35-88 amps output Welds up to 1/8 in. mild steel Plugs into household 115V, 20 amp outlet One year warranty on parts and labor. (90 days warranty on gun and cable) Includes: Welding gun and cable assembly, Work cable with work clamp, 1 lb. spool .035 Innershield® NR-211-MP flux-cored wire, 035 contact tips - quantity of 2, Lincoln Electric Pro Core 125 MIG/Flux-Corded Welder at $429.00 25-125 amps Improved drive system, improved design Welds mild steel up to 1/4 thick 20% @ 90 amps 115-volts 47 lbs. 3-year warranty 25% more welding amperage Lower amperage for better performance on thin materials Automatic wire alignment leaves no chance for misalignment http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productListN=0Ntk=i_productsNtt=wel der Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 7:42 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 manual on Ebay
During WW2 my granddaddy grew 40 acres of the stuff, everybody was working too hard to smoke it. --R Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:38 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A local fellow comes in once and a while to have documents notarized. He runs a hemp oil plant south of town. Has struggled to get permission to export to various places due to the connection that folks make to less legal forms of hemp. Might work. Plant it along the roadways where nothing else of use is grown. Don't want to supplant the corn fields that feed the cows we put on the BBQ. It would hardly need to be planted per se, if the feds did not work so hard to eradicate it. It grows wild all over the West. Why do you think they call it weed? I wouldn't call myself a member of the industrial hemp advocacy crowd---they're a little bit out-there and conspiracy-minded for me---but there's no denying that it's an oily plant that seems to flourish with little or no attention, and thus seems an obvious fuel source just waiting to be taken to be advantage of. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 72 to 89 black cloth mercedes convertible top - $225
But..is it German canvas or that cheap Stayfast? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] 72 to 89 black cloth mercedes convertible top - $225 http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pts/680107994.html no affiliation, etc. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Gerry, I've been looking at welders too. A lot of internet research shows the experts don't like any of the big box welders. They all claim they've been cheapened up in feed mechanisms and the specsmanship to the point where you have to be pretty careful. I've been eying a Hobart 135 for a big 110V or a Miller 175 for a reasonable 220V unit. I'm kinda torm right now between portable 110V and sacrifice heat, or a 220V that's much more capable, but less portable. There's a Hobart 135 on Cragslist here for $300 that is real tempting. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 5/15/08, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Consider the price of a spoolgun if you think you might ever want to do aluminum. Last I checked, that put Lincoln at the head of the pack. -Dave Walton On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerry, I've been looking at welders too. A lot of internet research shows the experts don't like any of the big box welders. They all claim they've been cheapened up in feed mechanisms and the specsmanship to the point where you have to be pretty careful. I've been eying a Hobart 135 for a big 110V or a Miller 175 for a reasonable 220V unit. I'm kinda torm right now between portable 110V and sacrifice heat, or a 220V that's much more capable, but less portable. There's a Hobart 135 on Cragslist here for $300 that is real tempting. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 5/15/08, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Having worked clsoely with Miller and Lincoln as a part of my former generator work, you can't go wrong with either of these name brands, IMHO. Just stay away from the consumer big box stuff that they brand label and you'll be fine. There are boatloads of industrial welders out there for purchase if you watch local equipment auctions. You have to really know what you're looking for, since there are variants even within model numbers for some manufacturers, but if you're careful and patient you can find some nice older welders that are far better than the consumer grade crap that's being pushed out these days. My pesonal choice based on limited use would be Lincoln for stick welders and Miller for wire feed. I welded many a piece of steel with an old Lincoln sausage motor/generator welder years ago. They were nearly indestructible. And definitely go for 220/240 whenever possible. It allows you a much higher heat range in most stick welders. Dan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were to buy a new welder, it would be a Lincoln 180C. Next choice would be a 140C. http://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/e7242.pdf http://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/e724.pdf Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey It would take about an hour...Estimated cost about $55 - $60. BillR Welding is cool (hot?) s**t. Fast, cheap, and strong. Hard not to like it! -- Jim - I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: Lincoln Electric Handy Core Wire Feed Welder at $278.00 35-88 amps output Welds up to 1/8 in. mild steel Plugs into household 115V, 20 amp outlet One year warranty on parts and labor. (90 days warranty on gun and cable) Includes: Welding gun and cable assembly, Work cable with work clamp, 1 lb. spool .035 Innershield® NR-211-MP flux-cored wire, 035 contact tips - quantity of 2, Lincoln Electric Pro Core 125 MIG/Flux-Corded Welder at $429.00 25-125 amps Improved drive system, improved design Welds mild steel up to 1/4 thick 20% @ 90 amps 115-volts 47 lbs. 3-year warranty 25% more welding amperage Lower amperage for better performance on thin materials Automatic wire alignment leaves no chance for misalignment http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productListN=0Ntk=i_productsNtt=wel der Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 7:42 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
And definitely go for 220/240 whenever possible. It allows you a much higher heat range in most stick welders. So far as 'lack' of portability is concerned, I think you can power them from your typical rope-pull generattle. So it's not like you're completely tied to the house or anything. Also, if you go 220V few of your friends will be tempted to borrow it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A Truck That Runs on Coffee Grounds
This is what we all have been waiting for -- you too can be Mad Max! --R http://gas2.org/2008/05/14/a-truck-that-runs-on-coffee-grounds-and-how-wood-gas-powers-cars-with-garbage/ And here's the book you need http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml Construction of a Simplified Wood Gas Generator for Fueling Internal Combustion Engines in a Petroleum emergency ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 72 to 89 black cloth mercedes convertible top - $225
No idea - and it would look really silly on my 300SD. Anyone who wants one should ask about that, though. Thanks. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 72 to 89 black cloth mercedes convertible top - $225 But..is it German canvas or that cheap Stayfast? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] 72 to 89 black cloth mercedes convertible top - $225 http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pts/680107994.html no affiliation, etc. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SL fun
I was talking with a former co-worker, one that I seduced over to the dark side (560 SL, and 300 SD), and he's really enjoying the car. He paid high dollar for it at the local dealership, but it was low miles and looked immaculate. (Except for one hardtop peck back by the trunk.) Said he's had it up to 145MPH indicated and it was still pulling. I've done that in the Camaro but never in one of the SL's. The Camaro was out of steam at 143 indicated. Many times. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
You mean like Wolfgang or Hans etc? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? Unless the laws have changed, a newborns birth cannot be registered in Germany if he/she has been given an unusual name. Gerry - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading the back page of Parents magazine--There is a little rug rat named Atticus being quoted. That said, my oldest boy went to daycare years ago with a boy named Attila. clay On 14 May 2008, at 06:33, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: From experience with my grandkids though, as soon as someone picks up an unusual name you will suddenly hear dozens of kids with the same name. I think the jury might still be out on Atticus, though. Perhaps little Atticus Snook (or Gregory Atticus Snook) will be the first to start the trend. I knew a girl in Law School who named her children Scout and Jem. That's a little weird. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - another car on wagon wheels
I saw a sweet looking red 60 something convert roll past me once Atleast the under side of it. The bottom of the car could clear my roof. I was looking for the boat ladder on the back. It was RE DIC U LOUS. -Rolf Wilton Strickland wrote: Also saw this morning a $200 90's Cadillac on $2000 chrome wheels about 30 inches in diameter. What a ridiculous sight! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
The law has not changed. For example, you cannot give a girls name to a boy, the exception being Maria which is a traditional middle name for Catholics. I read about a a kid (in the US) named Shithead pronounced sha-teed. That kind of thing would not fly in Germany. Chris (which is a female name in Ireland and Christy is a male's name) R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Wolfgang or Hans etc? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? Unless the laws have changed, a newborns birth cannot be registered in Germany if he/she has been given an unusual name. Gerry - Original Message - From: Redghost Reading the back page of Parents magazine--There is a little rug rat named Atticus being quoted. That said, my oldest boy went to daycare years ago with a boy named Attila. clay On 14 May 2008, at 06:33, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: From experience with my grandkids though, as soon as someone picks up an unusual name you will suddenly hear dozens of kids with the same name. I think the jury might still be out on Atticus, though. Perhaps little Atticus Snook (or Gregory Atticus Snook) will be the first to start the trend. I knew a girl in Law School who named her children Scout and Jem. That's a little weird. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 373K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Truck That Runs on Coffee Grounds
the little I know about downdraft gassifiers is that you need a large displacement engine that is carburated. I wonder if it would work in my 5.9 liter Ram Wagon which is throttle body injected. Chris Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what we all have been waiting for -- you too can be Mad Max! --R http://gas2.org/2008/05/14/a-truck-that-runs-on-coffee-grounds-and-how-wood-gas-powers-cars-with-garbage/ And here's the book you need http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml Construction of a Simplified Wood Gas Generator for Fueling Internal Combustion Engines in a Petroleum emergency ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 373K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap fix for 124 front window regulator missing teeth?
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That I can do, although it might require taking the old regulator out to drill holes, and I was trying to avoid that... For ultimate satisfaction, assuming the sector gear is steel (don't have a 124, no experience), I'd suggest taking it out and using a welder to put back steel, then file/grind the teeth back. That, in fact, would likely be _easier_ than what you propose, assuming you have to take the regulator out in any event. Good as new in an hour? That's plan B if I can't screw/rivet/JB a bridge to fit the spot where the teeth are missing in such a way that it lines up with the rest of the teeth well enough so the motor is happy. I don't want to take the regulator out if I can help it. You are lucky not to have a 124 in this particular instance. (I thought you had a wagon out in the woods, though? Or is that a 123?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
I once had a client whose first name was Somchit. He insisted it be pronounced Some *hit. He was from Laos. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? The law has not changed. For example, you cannot give a girls name to a boy, the exception being Maria which is a traditional middle name for Catholics. I read about a a kid (in the US) named Shithead pronounced sha-teed. That kind of thing would not fly in Germany. Chris (which is a female name in Ireland and Christy is a male's name) R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Wolfgang or Hans etc? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? Unless the laws have changed, a newborns birth cannot be registered in Germany if he/she has been given an unusual name. Gerry - Original Message - From: Redghost Reading the back page of Parents magazine--There is a little rug rat named Atticus being quoted. That said, my oldest boy went to daycare years ago with a boy named Attila. clay On 14 May 2008, at 06:33, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: From experience with my grandkids though, as soon as someone picks up an unusual name you will suddenly hear dozens of kids with the same name. I think the jury might still be out on Atticus, though. Perhaps little Atticus Snook (or Gregory Atticus Snook) will be the first to start the trend. I knew a girl in Law School who named her children Scout and Jem. That's a little weird. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 373K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap 190SL
1/10 Kaleb price! http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/682544880.html Alex Chamberlain '87 300D et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] how the Gelaendewagen has fallen
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/683026094.html Speaking of big dumb rims. Bet those are real effective offroad. And what's with the chrome spare tire cover? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Hi Bill, I know the weld should be as strong as the base metal but I wonder if the addition of a piece of flat steel could be bolted over the cracked area? That would take any stress off the weld - but may be totally un-necessary. ;-) Just becomes an issue of what you;re comfortable with. Have a nice weekend - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail When I went to get the car, necessitating signing a statement to the effect that I was informed that the car was not safe to drive, the wife of the owner [who does the front desk work] seemed surprised that I was going to investigate having it fixed and not scrap it. I took it to the welders, and felt for a moment like I had tossed a live chicken into a pool of gators. They drove it up on a rack over an open bay and 4 welders descended [literally, they had to walk down stairs] on the RF tire area with someone checking it from every angle. I had talked with the owner about the issue of high strength and some poor welding in the past, and the critical nature of this for it to be my 'forever' car. A few minutes later the had determined that they could indeed repair the cracks. It would take about an hour from getting the undercoating off and getting it cleaned up. Estimated cost about $55 - $60. A far cry from the top I would have been willing to pay. Hopefully a good outcome, but I'll be watching that spot for a few years. I rest easier tonight, and tomorrow I will try to figure out transportation to get it back to the MB shop to have the numerous fuel and vacuum issues addressed. Manfred made a huge difference with the sharp eye on the throttle linkages. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
I went to high school with a kid named Rohit (India). We called him Rohitler. cm R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once had a client whose first name was Somchit. He insisted it be pronounced Some *hit. He was from Laos. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? The law has not changed. For example, you cannot give a girls name to a boy, the exception being Maria which is a traditional middle name for Catholics. I read about a a kid (in the US) named Shithead pronounced sha-teed. That kind of thing would not fly in Germany. Chris (which is a female name in Ireland and Christy is a male's name) R A Bennell wrote: You mean like Wolfgang or Hans etc? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? Unless the laws have changed, a newborns birth cannot be registered in Germany if he/she has been given an unusual name. Gerry - Original Message - From: Redghost Reading the back page of Parents magazine--There is a little rug rat named Atticus being quoted. That said, my oldest boy went to daycare years ago with a boy named Attila. clay On 14 May 2008, at 06:33, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: From experience with my grandkids though, as soon as someone picks up an unusual name you will suddenly hear dozens of kids with the same name. I think the jury might still be out on Atticus, though. Perhaps little Atticus Snook (or Gregory Atticus Snook) will be the first to start the trend. I knew a girl in Law School who named her children Scout and Jem. That's a little weird. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 373K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: $2K deuce-and-a-halfs on Portland CL
Somebody needs these. Cheaper than a Mog and almost as useful! http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/676150668.html http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/678571599.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
These guys come with good recommendations so here's hoping for the best BillR. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 5/15/08 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail It would take about an hour...Estimated cost about $55 - $60. Welding is cool (hot?) s**t. Fast, cheap, and strong. Hard not to like it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
I think it sort of depends upon where the crack is and what the circumstances are - IE is it an open area where you can get at it to add a patch. I recall reading something on the net a while back about the proper means of repairing cracked truck frame rails. I think the suggestion there was to weld a diamond shaped patch over the repaired area. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail Hi Bill, I know the weld should be as strong as the base metal but I wonder if the addition of a piece of flat steel could be bolted over the cracked area? That would take any stress off the weld - but may be totally un-necessary. ;-) Just becomes an issue of what you;re comfortable with. Have a nice weekend - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail When I went to get the car, necessitating signing a statement to the effect that I was informed that the car was not safe to drive, the wife of the owner [who does the front desk work] seemed surprised that I was going to investigate having it fixed and not scrap it. I took it to the welders, and felt for a moment like I had tossed a live chicken into a pool of gators. They drove it up on a rack over an open bay and 4 welders descended [literally, they had to walk down stairs] on the RF tire area with someone checking it from every angle. I had talked with the owner about the issue of high strength and some poor welding in the past, and the critical nature of this for it to be my 'forever' car. A few minutes later the had determined that they could indeed repair the cracks. It would take about an hour from getting the undercoating off and getting it cleaned up. Estimated cost about $55 - $60. A far cry from the top I would have been willing to pay. Hopefully a good outcome, but I'll be watching that spot for a few years. I rest easier tonight, and tomorrow I will try to figure out transportation to get it back to the MB shop to have the numerous fuel and vacuum issues addressed. Manfred made a huge difference with the sharp eye on the throttle linkages. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Hi Guys - It's been a long time since I had to research this stuff but I believe welding steel to alum takes a special rod material - not sure if it's available in a wire feed spool type - it may have to be a arc weld rod.. Somewhere I have a welding handbook which provides all the rod matl and what they will work on - will try to find that or search the web. I think you will need to know the kind of steel and the kind of aluminum you wish to join. The steel will vary depending on the carbon content - as well as some other materials that are often added to provide certain properties. But as I say - it's been a long time (early 70s) since I had to determine if the proper weld material was used BTW, I bought a Lincoln MIG welder from Home Despot - Handy Man or something like that. I paid around $300 IIRC and my only complain is the need for some additional adjustment of the heat ranges -- that's what I'd look for in my next one - infinite heat adjustment. Also, I have the gas shield option and find it;s works well - Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would take about an hour...Estimated cost about $55 - $60. BillR Welding is cool (hot?) s**t. Fast, cheap, and strong. Hard not to like it! -- Jim - I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: Lincoln Electric Handy Core Wire Feed Welder at $278.00 35-88 amps output Welds up to 1/8 in. mild steel Plugs into household 115V, 20 amp outlet One year warranty on parts and labor. (90 days warranty on gun and cable) Includes: Welding gun and cable assembly, Work cable with work clamp, 1 lb. spool .035 Innershield® NR-211-MP flux-cored wire, 035 contact tips - quantity of 2, Lincoln Electric Pro Core 125 MIG/Flux-Corded Welder at $429.00 25-125 amps Improved drive system, improved design Welds mild steel up to 1/4 thick 20% @ 90 amps 115-volts 47 lbs. 3-year warranty 25% more welding amperage Lower amperage for better performance on thin materials Automatic wire alignment leaves no chance for misalignment http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productListN=0Ntk=i_productsNtt=welder Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
Neighbor kid (boy) is named Christy, family is Brit. They explained that it was an Irish name, have not asked them why they have Irish names for their kids (Erin is the girl). --R Christopher McCann wrote: The law has not changed. For example, you cannot give a girls name to a boy, the exception being Maria which is a traditional middle name for Catholics. I read about a a kid (in the US) named Shithead pronounced sha-teed. That kind of thing would not fly in Germany. Chris (which is a female name in Ireland and Christy is a male's name) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - another car on wagon wheels
No, since the car was DONKED, you have to say it was RIDONKADONK, yo. --R Rolf wrote: I saw a sweet looking red 60 something convert roll past me once Atleast the under side of it. The bottom of the car could clear my roof. I was looking for the boat ladder on the back. It was RE DIC U LOUS. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
My SIL in had a girl in her dorm, from India, whose name was Vagina, pronounced Wa-Geen-Ah hard G, but she went by Vagi (VA-JEE). That is really kind of a nice-sounding name, but in the wrong place She also was very traditional, so not popular with the boys. That could have been interesting -- Hey Mom, I'm bringing Vagina home for the weekend! --R R A Bennell wrote: I once had a client whose first name was Somchit. He insisted it be pronounced Some *hit. He was from Laos. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Thanks for the thoughts Larry. I am planning to chat with them about that when I pick it up later today. I'm planning to drive it a bit prior to taking it back to the repair shop. I want to be more certain of the weld holding. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail Hi Bill, I know the weld should be as strong as the base metal but I wonder if the addition of a piece of flat steel could be bolted over the cracked area? That would take any stress off the weld - but may be totally un-necessary. ;-) Just becomes an issue of what you;re comfortable with. Have a nice weekend - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail When I went to get the car, necessitating signing a statement to the effect that I was informed that the car was not safe to drive, the wife of the owner [who does the front desk work] seemed surprised that I was going to investigate having it fixed and not scrap it. I took it to the welders, and felt for a moment like I had tossed a live chicken into a pool of gators. They drove it up on a rack over an open bay and 4 welders descended [literally, they had to walk down stairs] on the RF tire area with someone checking it from every angle. I had talked with the owner about the issue of high strength and some poor welding in the past, and the critical nature of this for it to be my 'forever' car. A few minutes later the had determined that they could indeed repair the cracks. It would take about an hour from getting the undercoating off and getting it cleaned up. Estimated cost about $55 - $60. A far cry from the top I would have been willing to pay. Hopefully a good outcome, but I'll be watching that spot for a few years. I rest easier tonight, and tomorrow I will try to figure out transportation to get it back to the MB shop to have the numerous fuel and vacuum issues addressed. Manfred made a huge difference with the sharp eye on the throttle linkages. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. Caveat emptor! Where the hell did this go? OH yeah, right out the door when our litigious society decided that the consumer is always right and never can make a mistake (i.e. prime rate mortgage crisis) Luther, man enough to admith I made a mistake and move on On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:44:34 -0500, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, I agree wholehearted about the 10-year-old car, buyer getting it checked, etc. My only point was to agree that seller knew about the prob. Yes, indeed, buyer needs to check it out for himself, but on the question, Did seller know about the prob? Yep. Wilton -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
It's not required that he disclose anything. Perhaps that is why there are no used car dealers in heaven? -Dave Walton On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. Caveat emptor! Where the hell did this go? OH yeah, right out the door when our litigious society decided that the consumer is always right and never can make a mistake (i.e. prime rate mortgage crisis) Luther, man enough to admith I made a mistake and move on On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:44:34 -0500, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, I agree wholehearted about the 10-year-old car, buyer getting it checked, etc. My only point was to agree that seller knew about the prob. Yes, indeed, buyer needs to check it out for himself, but on the question, Did seller know about the prob? Yep. Wilton -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
Generally, he may not have to inform you of things that do not work, so long as he answers honestly if you ask him. I think one of the issues in the case at hand was that the vendor had represented the car as being very good. One would normally expect that to mean the A/C works on a newer model Mercedes, (hey, in my world, 10 years old IS a newer model Mercedes) wouldn't you think? So this issue is not so much the fact that he kept his mouth shut as it is that he lied, or in kinder terms, misrepresented the condition of the vehicle. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. Caveat emptor! Where the hell did this go? OH yeah, right out the door when our litigious society decided that the consumer is always right and never can make a mistake (i.e. prime rate mortgage crisis) Luther, man enough to admith I made a mistake and move on On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:44:34 -0500, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, I agree wholehearted about the 10-year-old car, buyer getting it checked, etc. My only point was to agree that seller knew about the prob. Yes, indeed, buyer needs to check it out for himself, but on the question, Did seller know about the prob? Yep. Wilton -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
R A Bennell wrote: I think one of the issues in the case at hand was that the vendor had represented the car as being very good. One would normally expect that to mean the A/C works on a newer model Mercedes, Who's to say it didn't at the time of sale? If he put stopleak and R134a it in 2003, and it was still working in the fall of 2004, would it be unreasonable for the dealer to think he'd fixed it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice-looking /8 coupe on Portland CL
The console looks OEM to me... On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats WIERD, whats up with the console, its not original. Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/681210231.html I bet this will set someone here a-droolin'. I seem to remember that gasser 114/115s have a bad rap for USA emissions complications. Is this one old enough that it wouldn't be an issue? Does it have the heinous impossible-to-tune dual carbs? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Gerry, I've got the cheaper one. It works pretty good, lacks alot of adjustment,theres only 4 heat settings although the wire speed is infinately adjustable. It'll do whatever you want for steel but I don't think it has the option of a spoolgun for aluminum. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:25:46 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would take about an hour...Estimated cost about $55 - $60. BillR Welding is cool (hot?) s**t. Fast, cheap, and strong. Hard not to like it! -- Jim - I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: Lincoln Electric Handy Core Wire Feed Welder at $278.00 35-88 amps output Welds up to 1/8 in. mild steel Plugs into household 115V, 20 amp outlet One year warranty on parts and labor. (90 days warranty on gun and cable) Includes: Welding gun and cable assembly, Work cable with work clamp, 1 lb. spool .035 Innershield? NR-211-MP flux-cored wire, 035 contact tips - quantity of 2, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CB160 Starter Problems
Light on? Light dims when you hit the starter? Could be a battery thats charged but isn't holding good. A volt meter on the battery when you hit the starter will tell more. I've had them sag to single digits at which point the starter isn't much good. You could pull the starter (I don't know how difficult it is on that bike) and bench test it. Finally an ammeter in line with the battery will show current draw, very high current draw indicates a bad start or a bad connection. Its gotta be a pretty big ammeter though (ie more than a multimeter) since the starter must draw (guessing here) 100amps or so. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:15:26 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ron Pavlak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CB160 Starter Problems Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --0-962307830-1210904126=:2749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm working on a CB160 and finally got around to trying to start it. The electric starter won't crank over? New battery, fully charged, hit the starter button and the magnetic starter switch clicks but the starter won't crank. Is there a way to jump the starter to see if it's the switch? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Michigan Ron ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
I have a very cheap consumer quality 110v Miller wire feed. I added a gas option as I was used to doing TIG at work with attending gas coverage. It used .035 solid wire. A complete waste of time and money, it had a duty cycle of about 20 seconds, would that trip it's internal breaker. I left it in a corner of the garage as a reminder of cheap tools. Couple years later a friend (Engineer him) was visiting and saw it, I told him the story. He told me to toss the gas bottle and use .035 flux filled wire. Rational, less wire to melt, little machine will be happy, weld will need chipping as when doing stick work. To make this long story short, this machine is very happy doing 1/8 carbon steel. Slow? Yes but it will do it fine. For my garage work, it is all I need in and emergency. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerry, I've got the cheaper one. It works pretty good, lacks alot of adjustment,theres only 4 heat settings although the wire speed is infinately adjustable. It'll do whatever you want for steel but I don't think it has the option of a spoolgun for aluminum. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:25:46 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would take about an hour...Estimated cost about $55 - $60. BillR Welding is cool (hot?) s**t. Fast, cheap, and strong. Hard not to like it! -- Jim - I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum. Can someone with wire-feed welder experience suggest a brand and type of wire-feed welder to buy? Lowes website shows two Lincoln wirefeed welders. Lincoln stick welders were pretty good quality years ago: Lincoln Electric Handy Core Wire Feed Welder at $278.00 35-88 amps output Welds up to 1/8 in. mild steel Plugs into household 115V, 20 amp outlet One year warranty on parts and labor. (90 days warranty on gun and cable) Includes: Welding gun and cable assembly, Work cable with work clamp, 1 lb. spool .035 Innershield? NR-211-MP flux-cored wire, 035 contact tips - quantity of 2, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
Luther wrote: So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. WRONG! In Kansas, (and likely most other states) a dealer sells a car with an implied warranty of merchantability. Normally, I am on your side on this, Luther. I represent one of the largest Ford Dealers in the Country. The company gets sued all the time. We almost always win. But, a dealer cannot sell a car that is in such bad shape that it does not meet the purpose of a car. I am not saying that is the case with this Mercedes having no a/c. BUT, your statement that a dealer does not have to disclose anything is clearly not correct. EVERY state has requirements about certain things that must be disclosed (as does federal law). Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Picked up my car - cracked frame rail repaired
Talked to the guys at the welding shop, and we are pretty sure the problem was caused by an accident at some time in the past. They said under normal driving I should not have any problems with it. It drives well, and next week we stat with all the other stuff that needs adjusting. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles, and a refurbished frame rail ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
There was a case in Michigan where a buyer revoked acceptance of the vehicle when he discovered it to be unfit for his purposes. His work required him to drive through Detroit at night. He ordered a new station wagon with the special heavy duty tires. A day or two after delivery, he discovered that it had no spare tire, went back to the dealer, and asked for his spare. When he found out it was no oversight, and it would be some unknown number of months before they intended to give him a spare, he refused to drive the car home or make payments on it. Eventually ruled in the consumer's favor in a narrow ruling that said the lack of a spare tire made the car undriveable for HIM, because getting stranded in Detroit would cause him to die of murder. A similar thing happened to my father in the fall of 1976 when he bought his 1977 Nova. He knew at the time of purchase that there was no spare in the car at delivery (I believe his dealer properly disclosed the fact). He wrote a pair of spare rims into the deal for the car. Took the rims to the tire store and had snow tires mounted. Between my father and his boss, they had a total of ten wheels for their two new cars, so each had a spare to carry. The situation resolved itself the next spring when the tire shortage was over and the spare tires were available at the dealer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap (but ugly) camper dodge gasser
http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/683112515.html Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap (but ugly) camper dodge gasser
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/683112515.html Don't you think that would get even worse mileage than your Expedition did? ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CB160 Starter Problems
Aww hell, this was supposed to go out to a different list... Oops, vacation on the mind. BTW I'll be gone with no email access starting tomorrow returning the day after Memorial day. -Curt Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Light on? Light dims when you hit the starter? Could be a battery thats charged but isn't holding good. A volt meter on the battery when you hit the starter will tell more. I've had them sag to single digits at which point the starter isn't much good. You could pull the starter (I don't know how difficult it is on that bike) and bench test it. Finally an ammeter in line with the battery will show current draw, very high current draw indicates a bad start or a bad connection. Its gotta be a pretty big ammeter though (ie more than a multimeter) since the starter must draw (guessing here) 100amps or so. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:15:26 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ron Pavlak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CB160 Starter Problems Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --0-962307830-1210904126=:2749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm working on a CB160 and finally got around to trying to start it. The electric starter won't crank over? New battery, fully charged, hit the starter button and the magnetic starter switch clicks but the starter won't crank. Is there a way to jump the starter to see if it's the switch? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Michigan Ron ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK?
The list of acceptable (or unacceptable) names is probably online if you can read German. Gerry - You mean like Wolfgang or Hans etc? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's in a name was Re: What's a GLK? Unless the laws have changed, a newborns birth cannot be registered in Germany if he/she has been given an unusual name. Gerry - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading the back page of Parents magazine--There is a little rug rat named Atticus being quoted. That said, my oldest boy went to daycare years ago with a boy named Attila. clay On 14 May 2008, at 06:33, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: From experience with my grandkids though, as soon as someone picks up an unusual name you will suddenly hear dozens of kids with the same name. I think the jury might still be out on Atticus, though. Perhaps little Atticus Snook (or Gregory Atticus Snook) will be the first to start the trend. I knew a girl in Law School who named her children Scout and Jem. That's a little weird. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 7:49 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Welders: was update on the cracked frame rail
Gerry wrote: I have some welding to do on one eighth inch steel and one eighth inch aluminum..snip --- Jim wrote: I bought a Millermatic 175, their smallest 220V welder. The extra heat capacity could come in handy, though I don't believe I've had to turn it up all the way yet. I like the continuous heat and wire speed settings that it has. I'm a little suspicious of buying something that's rated at up to the very thickness of material you need to tackle for the first project. I paid an extra $100 for 220V, and another extra $100 for blue (Miller), I think it came in at about $500. Gas bottle extra. (And gas refills around here _really_ jumped up in price lately. Doubled?) 1/8 steel is relatively easy to weld. I might suggest the basic $50 yard-sale stick welder for that. I have a Miller that I bought for that price. That and an auto-darkening helmet and some gloves and you're in business. No help on aluminum, though. Welding aluminum is tricky. You need, as I recall, to really crank up the heat/feed to make it work. You also really need a spool gun, or at least a teflon liner for the existing rig. Aluminum kinks very easily, so you have to keep the lead very straight. If you have to do a lot of it the spool gun is easier. You need a larger tip for the aluminum wire. The same rig that'll do 1/8 steel will _not_ do 1/8 aluminum, not enough heat. The little aluminum welding I've done looks _bad_. (But worked.) Beautiful welds on aluminum seem to be done with great skill, and/or TIG welders. (Supposedly you can weld aluminum with an oxyacetylene rig, I've never tried.) You also need Argon shielding gas, not the cheaper CO2 mixes. I have a separate small Ar bottle for aluminum. You must use gas when welding aluminum. That narrows your choices a bit. And definitely go for 220/240 whenever possible. It allows you a much higher heat range in most stick welders. So far as 'lack' of portability is concerned, I think you can power them from your typical rope-pull generattle. So it's not like you're completely tied to the house or anything. Also, if you go 220V few of your friends will be tempted to borrow it! -- Jim _ Tom Hargrave wrote: If I were to buy a new welder, it would be a Lincoln 180C. Next choice would be a 140C. http://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/e7242.pdf http://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/e724.pdf -- Gary Thompson wrote: I've been looking at welders too. A lot of internet research shows the experts don't like any of the big box welders. They all claim they've been cheapened up in feed mechanisms and the specsmanship to the point where you have to be pretty careful. I've been eying a Hobart 135 for a big 110V or a Miller 175 for a reasonable 220V unit. I'm kinda torm right now between portable 110V and sacrifice heat, or a 220V that's much more capable, but less portable. There's a Hobart 135 on Cragslist here for $300 that is real tempting. - Dave Walton wrote: Consider the price of a spoolgun if you think you might ever want to do aluminum. Last I checked, that put Lincoln at the head of the pack. - Dan wrote: Having worked clsoely with Miller and Lincoln as a part of my former generator work, you can't go wrong with either of these name brands, IMHO. Just stay away from the consumer big box stuff that they brand label and you'll be fine. There are boatloads of industrial welders out there for purchase if you watch local equipment auctions. You have to really know what you're looking for, since there are variants even within model numbers for some manufacturers, but if you're careful and patient you can find some nice older welders that are far better than the consumer grade crap that's being pushed out these days. My pesonal choice based on limited use would be Lincoln for stick welders and Miller for wire feed. I welded many a piece of steel with an old Lincoln sausage motor/generator welder years ago. They were nearly indestructible. And definitely go for 220/240 whenever possible. It allows you a much higher heat range in most stick welders. - LarryT wrote: It's been a long time since I had to research this stuff but I believe welding steel to alum takes a special rod material - not sure if it's available in a wire feed spool type - it may have to be a arc weld rod.. Somewhere I have a welding handbook which provides all the rod matl and what they will work on - will try to find that or search the web. I think you will need to know the kind of steel and the kind of aluminum you wish to join. The steel will vary depending on the carbon content - as well as some other materials that are
[MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] key brazing
There is one disadvantage: MB has used the plastic head to reduce hand injuries for decades. Having been hit in a Benz, I'd be more than willing to put up with the plastic breaking over having a hand seriously damaged by impact with a metal key head. While seated and strapped in, I got a cut on my arm from the corner of the face of the climate control, projecting from the smashed dash. I assume it happened when the car stopped going sideways. No possibility of hand damage from a key in my accident, as the keys ended up well inside the dash panel, but your arms thrash all over the place. Having one's hand slammed down HARD onto a metal key head sticking out at a right angle from the dash would NOT be good. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap fix for 124 front window regulator missing teeth?
Used regulators are about $45 or so on eBay last time I looked. You won't fix it short of replacing the rack. Grease the replacement regularly, they last forever that way, and replace the channel when it gets shrunken. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
You're better off with a lower heat and a longer cooking. Rotisserie is the best for chicken! And give the skin a few pokes with a fork to make some dribble holes for the juices! Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Lower the temp! You will have to stay close, just like any other grilling, you really cannot leave it for more than a few minutes. At 450 it chickens should cook right through pretty fast. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
Interesting, mine has the gas ability but I've never done it. Did you consider using smaller wire with gas? I think mine will go as small as .025... -Curt Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:27:25 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a very cheap consumer quality 110v Miller wire feed. I added a gas option as I was used to doing TIG at work with attending gas coverage. It used .035 solid wire. A complete waste of time and money, it had a duty cycle of about 20 seconds, would that trip it's internal breaker. I left it in a corner of the garage as a reminder of cheap tools. Couple years later a friend (Engineer him) was visiting and saw it, I told him the story. He told me to toss the gas bottle and use .035 flux filled wire. Rational, less wire to melt, little machine will be happy, weld will need chipping as when doing stick work. To make this long story short, this machine is very happy doing 1/8 carbon steel. Slow? Yes but it will do it fine. For my garage work, it is all I need in and emergency. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] key brazing
Makes silver solder a bit more appealing.. IIRC its strong in tension but not super strong in sheer. I also think I can run silver solder with just a propane torch. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:31 -0500 From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] key brazing To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed There is one disadvantage: MB has used the plastic head to reduce hand injuries for decades. Having been hit in a Benz, I'd be more than willing to put up with the plastic breaking over having a hand seriously damaged by impact with a metal key head. While seated and strapped in, I got a cut on my arm from the corner of the face of the climate control, projecting from the smashed dash. I assume it happened when the car stopped going sideways. No possibility of hand damage from a key in my accident, as the keys ended up well inside the dash panel, but your arms thrash all over the place. Having one's hand slammed down HARD onto a metal key head sticking out at a right angle from the dash would NOT be good. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SEC, any thoughts???
Hi Everyone, Just got back from checking out an '83 SEC. Car has sat for 3 years, has 132,000 kms. Body has some paint issues, and I see a little bondo where the paint is pealing over on rear arch. Will need new brakes, and I'm sure several other things to sort it out. It's a 380, not a 500. Guy is asking $1500. Says, if the engine won't start, he'll give me my money back. Could be a fun project?? Thoughts?? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
I wondered about that but caught someone's post that the high heat [though not to 550] for 45 min was the method used in commercial units. Chicken was tender, though at 45 minutes the inside 1/4 was a touch pink. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question You're better off with a lower heat and a longer cooking. Rotisserie is the best for chicken! And give the skin a few pokes with a fork to make some dribble holes for the juices! Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
TURN IT DOWN! Chicken want to cook low and slow. Put some hickory chips in a disposable aluminum pan, the will smoke for awhile. I'm so addicted to the I've bought a smoker to cook many foods the low SLOW WAY. But, it can be done on your grill. After learning how not to burn chickens, try a bone in pork roast. Just don't over cook it! Better than prime rib when done right. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:18:53 -0400, you wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:23:32 -0400, you wrote: You're better off with a lower heat and a longer cooking. Rotisserie is the best for chicken! And give the skin a few pokes with a fork to make some dribble holes for the juices! NO! Why dry it out! Pete -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
2 more things. put dry Rub on before cooking, NO BBQ sauce un till the cooking is done. The sugar in BBQ sauce burns, you don't want that. Secret rib receipt follows: Marinade them o'night in Caesars salad dressing, cook then very slow, add smoke, you'll like these without sauce, add if you like after cooking. Pete, I tend to be passionate about the smoking thing. Pete On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:22:20 -0500, you wrote: Lower the temp! You will have to stay close, just like any other grilling, you really cannot leave it for more than a few minutes. At 450 it chickens should cook right through pretty fast. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
Well, laws are great, but it still boils down to people should be smart enough to know what they are buying. Donald Snook wrote: Luther wrote: So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. WRONG! In Kansas, (and likely most other states) a dealer sells a car with an implied warranty of merchantability. Normally, I am on your side on this, Luther. I represent one of the largest Ford Dealers in the Country. The company gets sued all the time. We almost always win. But, a dealer cannot sell a car that is in such bad shape that it does not meet the purpose of a car. I am not saying that is the case with this Mercedes having no a/c. BUT, your statement that a dealer does not have to disclose anything is clearly not correct. EVERY state has requirements about certain things that must be disclosed (as does federal law). Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] car for LT Don
1986 Mercedes 190D Diesel Great MPG Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008-05-12, 11:58AM 1986 Mercedes 190D diesel. 165,xxx original miles. Red with clean tan leather interior. Power seats and windows, sunroof, Auto Transmission, AM/FM with CD (aftermarket). Also has A/C (converted to R134a) and cruise control but those features are not currently working. New front shocks. Brakes recent as well. Runs and drives fine. Great fuel economy. Clean Indiana title. Car is located in rural Orion area. Asking $2600/reasonable offer. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Quad Cities, IL * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://quadcities.craigslist.org/car/677610717.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] giving away parts
I'm moving shortly. I have MB parts and no MB cars and I don't want to take them with me. If you want them, just pay for shipping and they're yours. 124 radiator hose (124 501 13 82) 124 radiator hose (124 501 31 82) Oil drain plug transmission drain plug OM 617 valve cover gasket inline fuel filter Front brake caliper rebuild kit (13 0441 6003 2? or 002-586-4442) -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] parts for giving
I have a bunch of Mercedes parts and no MBs, so it's time to give them away. Just pay for shipping and they're yours. 124 radiator hose (124 501 13 82) 124 radiator hose (124 501 31 82) Oil drain plug transmission drain plug OM 617 valve cover gasket inline fuel filter Front brake caliper rebuild kit (13 0441 6003 2? or 002-586-4442) On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:18 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not required that he disclose anything. Perhaps that is why there are no used car dealers in heaven? -Dave Walton On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. Caveat emptor! Where the hell did this go? OH yeah, right out the door when our litigious society decided that the consumer is always right and never can make a mistake (i.e. prime rate mortgage crisis) Luther, man enough to admith I made a mistake and move on On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:44:34 -0500, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, I agree wholehearted about the 10-year-old car, buyer getting it checked, etc. My only point was to agree that seller knew about the prob. Yes, indeed, buyer needs to check it out for himself, but on the question, Did seller know about the prob? Yep. Wilton -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuit over a Mercedes
It depends on the definition of what a car is supposed to do. Is it supposed to move people from A to B in comfort or just move them from point to point. The dissenting judge touched on this by saying that a new or near new luxury car must have comfort whereas a Kaleb special just needs wheels. What about something more serious such as a cut and shut job. The car will still work as it should until it is involved in a serious accident at which time it may well break in two and seriously injure/kill it's occupants. Is a cut and shut car still merchantable? Say you went out and bought a Chinese car, the dealer says it is a safe car. You have an accident and end up in a wheelchair, so you sue the dealer because he said it is safe when in fact it is not. Of course the dealer will argue that when he said safe he meant it is safer than riding a bike and not mean it is safe as in 5 star safe. Did he mis-represent the product, is the car merchantable? Is occupant protection a key feature of a new car or a luxury item? Anyway interesting that you mention that your Ford dealer almost always wins, I am guessing having deep pockets and the ability to write off litigation costs as a business expense helps. Hendrik Donald Snook wrote: Luther wrote: So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. WRONG! In Kansas, (and likely most other states) a dealer sells a car with an implied warranty of merchantability. Normally, I am on your side on this, Luther. I represent one of the largest Ford Dealers in the Country. The company gets sued all the time. We almost always win. But, a dealer cannot sell a car that is in such bad shape that it does not meet the purpose of a car. I am not saying that is the case with this Mercedes having no a/c. BUT, your statement that a dealer does not have to disclose anything is clearly not correct. EVERY state has requirements about certain things that must be disclosed (as does federal law). Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuit over a Mercedes
Over here if you are caught without a spare or an unusable spare, the police can defect your car. Not sure but I think in Germany the law is that you must carry spare bulbs so that you can fix burnt out ones on the spot. Hendrik Mitch Haley wrote: There was a case in Michigan where a buyer revoked acceptance of the vehicle when he discovered it to be unfit for his purposes. His work required him to drive through Detroit at night. He ordered a new station wagon with the special heavy duty tires. A day or two after delivery, he discovered that it had no spare tire, went back ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
You can also buy a Cajun Injector, which is just a big syringe you can inject the chicken (or turkey if you are frying it) with a variety of sauces you can either buy or make yourself. This keeps it really moist and very flavorful. Or you can just poke a few holes in the skin and push in some seasonings, garlic, lemon or lime bits, sauce, onion bits, dressings of some kind, or some combination of all of the above, whatever, between skin and meat. That keeps it moist too, and flavors up the meat. As suggested, no sugary sauce until the end, although a vinegar-based sauce is fine (with a bit of olive oil to keep it moister) as long as it does not have a lot of goopy stuff. I put some vinegar, cut-up onion, pepper, seasonings of various kinds, mustard, a small bit of ketchup (has sugar), hot sauce, beer, whiskey (my uncle used to put some KY bourbon in his sauce, a wonderful flavor) whatever you like in a blender and pulverize that for a good marinade/sauce. Then at the end add some ketchup and molasses to that sauce to baste with, finsih to get crispy. YUM I have that same grill! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
I should probably start by saying I don't like prime rib. Cook it so it is a rib eye and you've got me. Love those, and fortunately some restaurants will cook it either way for me. The guy I was reading suggested that chicken skin would only be edible when cooked on a high heat, so that was my first try. The chicken itself was quite good, just the skin was a tad cremated, and not to bad even so. I do have a smoker, but have only used it to do a couple of turkeys at T-day, guess I should have a go at that also. I do a lot of low and slow in my Dutch oven, so will try that on the grill - what settings / time do you use for chicken? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question TURN IT DOWN! Chicken want to cook low and slow. Put some hickory chips in a disposable aluminum pan, the will smoke for awhile. I'm so addicted to the I've bought a smoker to cook many foods the low SLOW WAY. But, it can be done on your grill. After learning how not to burn chickens, try a bone in pork roast. Just don't over cook it! Better than prime rib when done right. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:18:53 -0400, you wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SEC, any thoughts???
I've always thought that would be a great project for a 603 drive train swap! I really like the look of the SEC. It does sound like a $500 car though On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:51 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Just got back from checking out an '83 SEC. Car has sat for 3 years, has 132,000 kms. Body has some paint issues, and I see a little bondo where the paint is pealing over on rear arch. Will need new brakes, and I'm sure several other things to sort it out. It's a 380, not a 500. Guy is asking $1500. Says, if the engine won't start, he'll give me my money back. Could be a fun project?? Thoughts?? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Come on down and give me a lesson or two. All I put on the chickens was so Sticky Fingers dry rub. I'll give your recipe a try. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question 2 more things. put dry Rub on before cooking, NO BBQ sauce un till the cooking is done. The sugar in BBQ sauce burns, you don't want that. Secret rib receipt follows: Marinade them o'night in Caesars salad dressing, cook then very slow, add smoke, you'll like these without sauce, add if you like after cooking. Pete, I tend to be passionate about the smoking thing. Pete On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:22:20 -0500, you wrote: Lower the temp! You will have to stay close, just like any other grilling, you really cannot leave it for more than a few minutes. At 450 it chickens should cook right through pretty fast. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
We bought one of those cheap electric smokers - vertacle drum shaped - and have really enjoyed it. I cut pieces of pecan sticks (picked up in the back yard), place them beside the element, replace them every hour, and smoke several birds and cheap pork loins at a time. I rub curry powoder/garlic salt on the pork, and leave the birds as-is. Yummy stuff every time. Takes about five hours. I use it year round. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 more things. put dry Rub on before cooking, NO BBQ sauce un till the cooking is done. The sugar in BBQ sauce burns, you don't want that. Secret rib receipt follows: Marinade them o'night in Caesars salad dressing, cook then very slow, add smoke, you'll like these without sauce, add if you like after cooking. Pete, I tend to be passionate about the smoking thing. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
That does sound good. Come to think of it I had some great Rosemary chicken at a Mediterranean restaurant a few weeks ago, I need to branch out. Hope the grill has held up well. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question You can also buy a Cajun Injector, which is just a big syringe you can inject the chicken (or turkey if you are frying it) with a variety of sauces you can either buy or make yourself. This keeps it really moist and very flavorful. Or you can just poke a few holes in the skin and push in some seasonings, garlic, lemon or lime bits, sauce, onion bits, dressings of some kind, or some combination of all of the above, whatever, between skin and meat. That keeps it moist too, and flavors up the meat. As suggested, no sugary sauce until the end, although a vinegar-based sauce is fine (with a bit of olive oil to keep it moister) as long as it does not have a lot of goopy stuff. I put some vinegar, cut-up onion, pepper, seasonings of various kinds, mustard, a small bit of ketchup (has sugar), hot sauce, beer, whiskey (my uncle used to put some KY bourbon in his sauce, a wonderful flavor) whatever you like in a blender and pulverize that for a good marinade/sauce. Then at the end add some ketchup and molasses to that sauce to baste with, finsih to get crispy. YUM I have that same grill! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Obviously we have at least some folks who like to eat. Forget the chicken for a minute [just cooked what I had], how about country ribs? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Einer Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Only thing I've hurt bad in my smoker was a beef brisket, I couldn't keep in cool enough. Got to try again. Pete On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:10:40 -0600, you wrote: I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] giving away parts
If I can afford the shipping I certainly do NEED these parts. Any guess what the shipping would be? Dave H... -- From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] giving away parts I'm moving shortly. I have MB parts and no MB cars and I don't want to take them with me. If you want them, just pay for shipping and they're yours. 124 radiator hose (124 501 13 82) 124 radiator hose (124 501 31 82) Oil drain plug transmission drain plug OM 617 valve cover gasket inline fuel filter Front brake caliper rebuild kit (13 0441 6003 2? or 002-586-4442) -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap (but ugly) camper dodge gasser
that just gets me excited! i want one! On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/683112515.html Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Low and slow is the only way to cook ribs (I do them on one side of the grill with only the other side lit, as low as it will go, cook at least 6 hours -- slop on some sauce once in a while and turn when you go past while working outside). Chicken, you have to cook all the way through (you don't want salmonella poisoning) and with a rotisserie you can use high heat. 450 is OK, you may want 425 -- this depends on your grill, the thermometer, and where it is placed since it's not actually in the chicken, which would be the best place. As noted, no sugar containing sauce while using high heat, it burns. Use some Tandoori seasoning instead as a rub, good flavor and no sugar. It will dry out horribly, especially the white meat, if over cooked. The rotation rate is also a consideration -- you want it high enough to cook evenly while still allowing the bird to crisp early to keep it juicy. Have fun! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes
The American people are lazy and dumb. F! 'em. Luther On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:54:23 -0500, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: So what if the seller knows about the problem. It's not required that he disclose anything. WRONG! In Kansas, (and likely most other states) a dealer sells a car with an implied warranty of merchantability. Normally, I am on your side on this, Luther. I represent one of the largest Ford Dealers in the Country. The company gets sued all the time. We almost always win. But, a dealer cannot sell a car that is in such bad shape that it does not meet the purpose of a car. I am not saying that is the case with this Mercedes having no a/c. BUT, your statement that a dealer does not have to disclose anything is clearly not correct. EVERY state has requirements about certain things that must be disclosed (as does federal law). Donald H. Snook -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Zedic said dribble Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question You're better off with a lower heat and a longer cooking. Rotisserie is the best for chicken! And give the skin a few pokes with a fork to make some dribble holes for the juices! Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
You guys who don't live on the surface of the sun like I do and you don't have a garden? No excuse for that. Bob R Jonesin' for a garden -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Youi might be able to smell the ribs tomorrow if the wind is blowing the right way. Thanks - Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question Low and slow is the only way to cook ribs (I do them on one side of the grill with only the other side lit, as low as it will go, cook at least 6 hours -- slop on some sauce once in a while and turn when you go past while working outside). Chicken, you have to cook all the way through (you don't want salmonella poisoning) and with a rotisserie you can use high heat. 450 is OK, you may want 425 -- this depends on your grill, the thermometer, and where it is placed since it's not actually in the chicken, which would be the best place. As noted, no sugar containing sauce while using high heat, it burns. Use some Tandoori seasoning instead as a rub, good flavor and no sugar. It will dry out horribly, especially the white meat, if over cooked. The rotation rate is also a consideration -- you want it high enough to cook evenly while still allowing the bird to crisp early to keep it juicy. Have fun! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
Oh yeah -- if you have a rosemary bush, fresh rosemary is to die for. Bit of lemon, garlic to go with it. Shove some little branches up under the skin of the chicken. Heaven! --R Bill R wrote: That does sound good. Come to think of it I had some great Rosemary chicken at a Mediterranean restaurant a few weeks ago, I need to branch out. Hope the grill has held up well. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT I'm thinking of going back to propane
I still have a metering system I made in the 70s for a four cylinder Toyota. I have a 1995 V-6 Toyota truck I could convert but I have no clue as to how the sensors would react, or any of the electronics. Anyone BTDT or have some thoughts? Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brisket
For brisket, I put it in the oven overnight at 250F with all the stuff (Lyndon Johnson's recipe) wrapped in foil and let it get real tender, then you open up the foil, leaving it sitting in all the juices, and put it in your barbeque (that would be a smoker to all you non-Texans, not a GRILL!!!) in the morning and let it go 6-8 hours with some hickory, pecan, mesquite, oak, or maple for the fire. The juices evaporate, concentrate, leaving one excellent flavor. Then it is fall-apart tender, moist, smoky. You can also do the dry rub, and smoke it low and slow, it tends to be a bit drier and chewier but every bit as tasty. Plenty o' Shiner Bocks to wash it down. Man that is some fine eatin. Damn I am going to have to go get some brisket and ribs tomorrow, y'all have got me all hungry now. --R Peter T. Arnold wrote: Only thing I've hurt bad in my smoker was a beef brisket, I couldn't keep in cool enough. Got to try again. Pete On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:10:40 -0600, you wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT rotisserie question
If you eat, you should have a rosemary plant, and basil! On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah -- if you have a rosemary bush, fresh rosemary is to die for. Bit of lemon, garlic to go with it. Shove some little branches up under the skin of the chicken. Heaven! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brisket
Like this? http://bbq.about.com/od/brisketrecipes/r/bl80801a.htm On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For brisket, I put it in the oven overnight at 250F with all the stuff (Lyndon Johnson's recipe) wrapped in foil and let it get real tender, -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
