[MBZ] 1980 300SD
http://www.mypreownedmercedes.com/matrix.php?mbid=82970 Found this on the MB Classic website - a very nice 1980 300SD! LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/11b8a9e2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Hi Gang - I may need motor mounts on my '91 300D in the future (170k mi currently) and was wondering what the difficulty is? Anyway, can I raise the engine slightly and swap out the mounts? They look to be more complex than the old rubber mounts - Thanks! LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/11830414/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
LarryT wrote: Hi Gang - I may need motor mounts on my '91 300D in the future (170k mi currently) and was wondering what the difficulty is? Haven't done it myself, but I would assume the chief difficulty is in cleaning the holes in the allen bolts and removing them without stripping the hex. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL TD
Dang! No leather, and no 40 mpg? ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL TD http://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/1415481148.html Not bad... Bob R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091011/62c1aac5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Yes, i do see the cross marks, although the marks in #1 do seem slightly fainter than the rest of the cylinders, at least to the naked eye. Loren Faeth wrote: If I am assessing your measurements correctly, you are getting readings under the nominal bore size? (negative) that seems odd. If your numbers are in thousandths of a MM, then i think Mitch is right. Probably not much to get worried about. Can you see crosshatching on the cylinder walls? if so, your bore is NOT worn. If not, the bore is worn where the crosshatch is no longer evident. I have never used digital gauges, butif it is worn badly, you should be able to tell with the naked eye. if wear is only 0.020mm, or less, I don't see much concern. THe ridge on the bore or the crosshatch will tell you most of the story. I know in the past, pistons were binned according to actual dia, and blocks were stamped with actual bore. Thus, the actual bore was fit with a piston with the exact clearance. My 621 short block was actually nominal .5mm overbore. each hole was stamped something like ,47 indicating 87.47 mm bore for a nominal 87.5 mm. the Piston tops were also stamped with the exact dia. I don't know if they still use this practice. If the deck of your block has numbers stamped by each hole, then pay attention, because that will tell you the exact bore size when it was new. IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. Until you can get the same measurement repeatedly, you have more gauge error or operator error than actual wear. When I did compression tests on the SDL you now have, I used both an snappy gauge and the HF gauge until I was sure where the variation was coming from. (carbon on valves and the HF gauge) THen I settled on the Snappy gauge, and got consistent results. (One place where the HF tool is not up to par.) To be fair, my cheap one was from some online place, not HF, but the HF one at the time was essentially the same design. At 10:12 PM 10/11/2009, you wrote: No, have not put a depth guage on the piston tops, or inspected the rod. I do not have a depth gauge, where would you get such an item? About the most I have checked on the deck height is when #1 is at the top, if you run your fingernail for example from piston to block, it will catch, on the others, it will catch when you go the other way from block to piston. In other words, just from the naked eye, #1 does sit just a very very small amount lower than the rest. If its enough to matter, I do not know. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: .422 .398 So, your bore gage reads in mm, and it does two point measuring so you can measure along the crank and across the crank? And the above is the worst you have, with across the crank being .024mm wider? If that were .024, you'd have junk. .024mm is just under .001, which doesn't sound like much to me, but might be a lot for a diesel. I was recently looking at the spec on dad's 2 stroke outboard, and max out of round to reassemble without boring it was .003. It did come out as expected/feared, with #1 being the most worn. Have you inspected #1 rod? Or at least put a depth gage on the piston tops? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? Mitch Haley wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? You'd need to pull oil pan(s) until you could see the rod studs, take off the rod bearing cap, put thin hoses over the studs to protect the crank journal, and shove the rod piston out the top. I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
On the older Diesels, the smaall steel pan could be removed, engine in car, to service #1 and the oil pump. I have never seen a 603/140 combination, so I don't know what you are up against. If it has a one piece pan, you will have to pull the engine. At that time, you may want to use your weird 603, or repair the original. At 09:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:06:53 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.mypreownedmercedes.com/matrix.php?mbid=82970 Found this on the MB Classic website - a very nice 1980 300SD! I had to go to page to to see it. Yes, indeed, it is very nice. 1327 miles and virtually new. Price is in line with new as well, $65,000. A little more than I can spend right now. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
I think its got the same pan as all the other 603's do, which is a 1 piece I believe. Loren Faeth wrote: On the older Diesels, the smaall steel pan could be removed, engine in car, to service #1 and the oil pump. I have never seen a 603/140 combination, so I don't know what you are up against. If it has a one piece pan, you will have to pull the engine. At that time, you may want to use your weird 603, or repair the original. At 09:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/f29468bb/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:04:41 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? You'd need to pull oil pan(s) until you could see the rod studs, take off the rod bearing cap, put thin hoses over the studs to protect the crank journal, and shove the rod piston out the top. I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. The oil pump might be in the way, but you have a much better chance at removing #1 with the complete engine in the car than you would with #6. Remember the tubing over the lower end studs as Mitch suggested. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD
I like the trike on page 2, but not enough to pay $70k for a replica. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Does anybody know if you can buy just 1 rod? Will have to check with Rusty I guess. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:04:41 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? You'd need to pull oil pan(s) until you could see the rod studs, take off the rod bearing cap, put thin hoses over the studs to protect the crank journal, and shove the rod piston out the top. I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. The oil pump might be in the way, but you have a much better chance at removing #1 with the complete engine in the car than you would with #6. Remember the tubing over the lower end studs as Mitch suggested. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/0102d195/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Will it remove out the top? I figured it would have to come out the bottom. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? You'd need to pull oil pan(s) until you could see the rod studs, take off the rod bearing cap, put thin hoses over the studs to protect the crank journal, and shove the rod piston out the top. I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/341e736d/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
I did not see any way to drop the oil pan with the engine in the car. The front frame is directly under where you want to get to and can't be removed (without a torch or plasma cutter). If anyone knows how to avoid pulling the engine, please speak up. Once you get the oil pan off you can access the lower end of the connecting rod to replace it without pulling the crank. The transmission and engine come out as a unit. You will need a 2-ton shop crane. To access the center of gravity of the engine/transmission unit you need to extend the arm to it's maximum. The lift capacity goes down as the arm length goes up. Even with the Harbor Freight 2-ton crane maxed, the lift cylinder wanted to hit against the front bumper. If I had to do it again, I'd use a gantry crane on wheels. I was quoted $140 from the dealer for the replacement rod. They charged me $190 when it came in. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? Mitch Haley wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
So far as I know, pistons/rods _always_ come out the top. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
The replacement rod did not have tabs to allow easy weight adjustment. It is significantly heaver than the original. I've since been told that as long as #1 and #6 are balanced, it's okay if they are heaver than the others. I'd want to very that somehow, but replacing the two rods would save some grief. The dealer said if they did the job, they would replace all the rods. I was not in the mood to spend $1k to replace good parts at the time. But you could probably recoup some of your investment selling the good old ones on eBay :-) Once the rod was replaced, the piston extended above the block like all the others. Put some bar stock on the block across the cylinder opening. Use 2 magnetic bases. Mount the dial gauge between them on a crosspiece. Set the gauge to zero on top of the bar in the middle. Highest reading when the crank is rotated gives you a comparison number which relates to connecting rod length. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: I did not see any way to drop the oil pan with the engine in the car. The front frame is directly under where you want to get to and can't be removed (without a torch or plasma cutter). If anyone knows how to avoid pulling the engine, please speak up. Once you get the oil pan off you can access the lower end of the connecting rod to replace it without pulling the crank. The transmission and engine come out as a unit. You will need a 2-ton shop crane. To access the center of gravity of the engine/transmission unit you need to extend the arm to it's maximum. The lift capacity goes down as the arm length goes up. Even with the Harbor Freight 2-ton crane maxed, the lift cylinder wanted to hit against the front bumper. If I had to do it again, I'd use a gantry crane on wheels. I was quoted $140 from the dealer for the replacement rod. They charged me $190 when it came in. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? Mitch Haley wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a/c no worky
Hello All, My 1985 123 wagon had a fully functional A/C until I used it one hot day last fall, when it kept the entire car of six people cool on a 100 degree LA day. No problems on that day whatsoever. The following day, I loaned the car to my sister, who turned the A/C on and , well, nothing but hot air. And the horn wouldn't work. I replaced the relevant fuse, which was blown, but the new fuse blew immediately. Took it to mechanic (Algerian dude at Marina Benz) who replaced a bunch of stuff, including the control unit in the dash and apparently some relays. The compressor was fine. The bill was expensive, but it worked when I left. Briefly. I used it on another hot day, and, well, you can guess what happened: worked fine that day, but the next time I turned it on: nothing but hot air. And no horn. Compressor clutch does not make any noises of engagement at all. Belt is fine. Any hints as to where the trouble may lie? I don't miss the A/C but here in LA I really need the horn on the freeway...just thought I'd ask before throwing more money at the problem. Also, for any CA locals, is this Enrique guy up in Tarzana the best mechanic in the area if I need a new one (which I apparently do)? Regards,Karl in LA85 300TD 170Kmi --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 10:50 AM So far as I know, pistons/rods _always_ come out the top. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/f8dcb9a4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:32:56 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I like the trike on page 2, but not enough to pay $70k for a replica. I really like the next item on the list, the 1933 290 Cabriolet B. $175k is a bit much for me, though. The 1957 300Sc Cabriolet, black with red leather on page 3 is a wonder, though (beyond the $750k price tag!): 0 miles? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:35:49 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Does anybody know if you can buy just 1 rod? Will have to check with Rusty I guess. He's the man. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:27:01 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Will it remove out the top? I figured it would have to come out the bottom. If you don't have a ridge at the top of the cylinder, it should. You might need to use a ridge-breaker. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Piston comes out the top. I used the blade from my utility knife to remove the crust around the inner top lip of the cylinder. It flaked off easily once you got underneath it. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:27:01 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Will it remove out the top? I figured it would have to come out the bottom. If you don't have a ridge at the top of the cylinder, it should. You might need to use a ridge-breaker. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Jim Cathey wrote: So far as I know, pistons/rods _always_ come out the top. Except on motorcycles and chain saws. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
That is exactly what you do, no more complicated than the old ones, in fact, should be easier since they just have one bolt from the bottom, and one from the top. LarryT wrote: Hi Gang - I may need motor mounts on my '91 300D in the future (170k mi currently) and was wondering what the difficulty is? Anyway, can I raise the engine slightly and swap out the mounts? They look to be more complex than the old rubber mounts - Thanks! LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/11830414/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Thx Kaleb - you made my day. ;-) LarryT Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts That is exactly what you do, no more complicated than the old ones, in fact, should be easier since they just have one bolt from the bottom, and one from the top. LarryT wrote: Hi Gang - I may need motor mounts on my '91 300D in the future (170k mi currently) and was wondering what the difficulty is? Anyway, can I raise the engine slightly and swap out the mounts? They look to be more complex than the old rubber mounts - Thanks! LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/11830414/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD
Yeah, as others have noted, the cars they are hoping to sell are pretty extraordinary examples - low miles and 100% restorations done - but I would wonder if they could really get some of those prices - even at the high-end auctions - I guess somewhere in the world there's someone who wants a 1980 300SD in like new condition! I'd think they'd be more likely to get that kind of money for a W140 350SDL (with repaired engine) in pristine condition and very low miles. That'd be my dream if I win the lottery ;-) But those W116 chassis' were awesome cars... LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:06:53 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.mypreownedmercedes.com/matrix.php?mbid=82970 Found this on the MB Classic website - a very nice 1980 300SD! I had to go to page to to see it. Yes, indeed, it is very nice. 1327 miles and virtually new. Price is in line with new as well, $65,000. A little more than I can spend right now. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Hi Mitch - When I started doing work on this W124's engine I bought a set of allen wrenches that have little round shapes at the end - they can go into the screw at a slight angle and usually snap into place - I replaced the manifold gasket on the engine which had some bolts difficult to reach in a straight shot and these wrenches unscrewed them without any problem. I took a brief look at the motor mounts and Kaleb's comment appears to be spot-on! They look to be easy to reach - even the one under the turbo shouldn't be too bad. I need to check them to be sure they are bad - we're getting a lot of movement at idle once warmed up - but Rustys prices are pretty good - list is over $130 ea and he sells 3 different mounts - from $33 to $88 - now I need to find out if there's any difference between the 3 ... Thx ! LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts LarryT wrote: Hi Gang - I may need motor mounts on my '91 300D in the future (170k mi currently) and was wondering what the difficulty is? Haven't done it myself, but I would assume the chief difficulty is in cleaning the holes in the allen bolts and removing them without stripping the hex. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Don't know if this will help - I bought a MB Technical Data manual after I bought my W124 - it includes info for the 140 - it says: 1. permissible deviation pf cy bores from cyl shape - New Value = 0.00 - 0.014 wear limit 0.05. and 2. wear in driving or transverse direction at upper reversing limit of 1st piston ring - 0.20 (diesel) 0.10 (Gas) I'm sure these are in mm's. It seems odd (to me) the gas a lower wear limit. HTHs LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
I've got a ridge reamer if you'd like to borrow it - LarryT Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:27:01 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Will it remove out the top? I figured it would have to come out the bottom. If you don't have a ridge at the top of the cylinder, it should. You might need to use a ridge-breaker. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a/c no worky
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Karl Wittnebel kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: The following day, I loaned the car to my sister, who turned the A/C on and , well, nothing but hot air. And the horn wouldn't work. I replaced the relevant fuse, which was blown, but the new fuse blew immediately. Took it to mechanic (Algerian dude at Marina Benz) who replaced a bunch of stuff, including the control unit in the dash and apparently some relays. The compressor was fine. The bill was expensive, but it worked when I left. Briefly. I used it on another hot day, and, well, you can guess what happened: worked fine that day, but the next time I turned it on: nothing but hot air. And no horn. Compressor clutch does not make any noises of engagement at all. Belt is fine. Any hints as to where the trouble may lie? I don't miss the A/C but here in LA I really need the horn on the freeway...just thought I'd ask before throwing more money at the problem. If the fuse that powers the compressor clutch is blown, it won't try to engage even if the controller does send the signal to engage. Does the horn work when you put in a new fuse, before you try the A/C? If it does, disconnect the wire for the clutch magnet and try turning the A/C on. If the horn still works, turn the car off, reconnect the magnet wire, and try the A/C again. If the fuse has now blown, the clutch magnet is the problem. It sounds like the Algerian dude threw parts at the control side of the problem. It also sounds like that was not the problem. I agree that you need a new mechanic. As a first guess, I'd say that the windings on the compressor clutch magnet might be shorted (at least partially). You could get the pulley/clutch assembly off a salvage yard car and try it. Craig P.S. Welcome to the list, Karl. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:05 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I took a brief look at the motor mounts and Kaleb's comment appears to be spot-on! They look to be easy to reach - even the one under the turbo shouldn't be too bad. I need to check them to be sure they are bad - we're getting a lot of movement at idle once warmed up - but Rustys prices are pretty good - list is over $130 ea and he sells 3 different mounts - from $33 to $88 - now I need to find out if there's any difference between the 3 There is. One of them, FEQ I think, is a lower quality chinese product. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a/c no worky
You might also want to check the low-pressure cutout switch that (if I recall) is located down low in front of the right fender next to the radiator. If that has gone bad/funky nothing will come on. You could just short it and see if things come on. Probably doesn't relate to the horn aspect, but its an easy check. --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Karl Wittnebel kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: The following day, I loaned the car to my sister, who turned the A/C on and , well, nothing but hot air. And the horn wouldn't work. I replaced the relevant fuse, which was blown, but the new fuse blew immediately. Took it to mechanic (Algerian dude at Marina Benz) who replaced a bunch of stuff, including the control unit in the dash and apparently some relays. The compressor was fine. The bill was expensive, but it worked when I left. Briefly. I used it on another hot day, and, well, you can guess what happened: worked fine that day, but the next time I turned it on: nothing but hot air. And no horn. Compressor clutch does not make any noises of engagement at all. Belt is fine. Any hints as to where the trouble may lie? I don't miss the A/C but here in LA I really need the horn on the freeway...just thought I'd ask before throwing more money at the problem. If the fuse that powers the compressor clutch is blown, it won't try to engage even if the controller does send the signal to engage. Does the horn work when you put in a new fuse, before you try the A/C? If it does, disconnect the wire for the clutch magnet and try turning the A/C on. If the horn still works, turn the car off, reconnect the magnet wire, and try the A/C again. If the fuse has now blown, the clutch magnet is the problem. It sounds like the Algerian dude threw parts at the control side of the problem. It also sounds like that was not the problem. I agree that you need a new mechanic. As a first guess, I'd say that the windings on the compressor clutch magnet might be shorted (at least partially). You could get the pulley/clutch assembly off a salvage yard car and try it. Craig P.S. Welcome to the list, Karl. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/27bd2292/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Classic
...Found this on the MB Classic website .. Speaking of MB Classic, the new issue on the newsstand contains a picture article on 600 hydraulic components. Terrifying. It show contains a pic of the master window controller on the driver's door. $2500 Euros. A bargain compared to the heater control panel which I was told costs about ten grand. Apparently squirting it with contact cleaner doesn't help much. The article has a few things to say about the hydraulic system in general, stating that if there are no leaks, system pressure is expected to hold for at least several years without leakdown. No wonder Hugh Hefner has put his two 600s on the market. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/ea080ce1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels
http://pics.nerdnirvana.org/d/21293-2/car-wooden-wheels.jpg Oh, and Batman says hi: http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55952stc=1d=1252882055 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels
I should think traction, especially if the need for hard breaking were to arise, would be a big problem - not to mention ride quality. I would expect the second pic would be repeated with the first car very soon. Bill -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels http://pics.nerdnirvana.org/d/21293-2/car-wooden-wheels.jpg Oh, and Batman says hi: http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55952stc=1; d=1252882055 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Hi Allan - Yup, FEQ is the $33 MM with a MM by Corteco is $88 and another by Rein goes for $70. Do you think I'd be safe with the $70 MM or should I spring for the $88. I don't mind paying for quality - but if the same quality is available for $33 or $70 I always like to save a little money - Thanks for the input!! LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:05 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I took a brief look at the motor mounts and Kaleb's comment appears to be spot-on! They look to be easy to reach - even the one under the turbo shouldn't be too bad. I need to check them to be sure they are bad - we're getting a lot of movement at idle once warmed up - but Rustys prices are pretty good - list is over $130 ea and he sells 3 different mounts - from $33 to $88 - now I need to find out if there's any difference between the 3 There is. One of them, FEQ I think, is a lower quality chinese product. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
LarryT wrote: Hi Allan - Yup, FEQ is the $33 MM with a MM by Corteco is $88 and another by Rein goes for $70. Hopefully Gary or Rusty will chime in here. I scarcely even recognize the names. (but Corteco sounds kind of familiar) Whatever happened to Febi and Lemforder? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:06:45 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: I should think traction, especially if the need for hard breaking were to arise, would be a big problem - not to mention ride quality. I would expect the second pic would be repeated with the first car very soon. Bill I would think that even with ordinary driving the wheels would crack and disintegrate, leaving you stranded and the car's body sitting on the ground. Notice all the wood chips in the area. The car probably has moved an inch on its new wheels. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:59:07 -0600 Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:06:45 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: I should think traction, especially if the need for hard breaking were to arise, would be a big problem - not to mention ride quality. I would expect the second pic would be repeated with the first car very soon. Bill I would think that even with ordinary driving the wheels would crack and disintegrate, leaving you stranded and the car's body sitting on the ground. Notice all the wood chips in the area. The car probably has moved an inch on its new wheels. That should have been, has NOT moved an inch. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a/c no worky
Ha - I initially thought the clutch might be an issue, but got talked out of it. I'll replace the fuse and check the horn etc. to isolate the clutch and see what transpires. I think that low pressure relay was replaced by the mechanic but I'll check over the bill and see. Thanks for the hints; will keep list posted until I get the issue resolved. Karl --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c no worky To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:31 PM You might also want to check the low-pressure cutout switch that (if I recall) is located down low in front of the right fender next to the radiator. If that has gone bad/funky nothing will come on. You could just short it and see if things come on. Probably doesn't relate to the horn aspect, but its an easy check. --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Karl Wittnebel kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: The following day, I loaned the car to my sister, who turned the A/C on and , well, nothing but hot air. And the horn wouldn't work. I replaced the relevant fuse, which was blown, but the new fuse blew immediately. Took it to mechanic (Algerian dude at Marina Benz) who replaced a bunch of stuff, including the control unit in the dash and apparently some relays. The compressor was fine. The bill was expensive, but it worked when I left. Briefly. I used it on another hot day, and, well, you can guess what happened: worked fine that day, but the next time I turned it on: nothing but hot air. And no horn. Compressor clutch does not make any noises of engagement at all. Belt is fine. Any hints as to where the trouble may lie? I don't miss the A/C but here in LA I really need the horn on the freeway...just thought I'd ask before throwing more money at the problem. If the fuse that powers the compressor clutch is blown, it won't try to engage even if the controller does send the signal to engage. Does the horn work when you put in a new fuse, before you try the A/C? If it does, disconnect the wire for the clutch magnet and try turning the A/C on. If the horn still works, turn the car off, reconnect the magnet wire, and try the A/C again. If the fuse has now blown, the clutch magnet is the problem. It sounds like the Algerian dude threw parts at the control side of the problem. It also sounds like that was not the problem. I agree that you need a new mechanic. As a first guess, I'd say that the windings on the compressor clutch magnet might be shorted (at least partially). You could get the pulley/clutch assembly off a salvage yard car and try it. Craig P.S. Welcome to the list, Karl. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/27bd2292/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/2131c4a4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a/c no worky
Any chance the problem is in the horn circuitry, or even the contacts/wiring in the steering column? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Classic
By this point Hugh Hefner is probably an expert on hydraulics and leak down of pressurized components. --R relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Found this on the MB Classic website .. Speaking of MB Classic, the new issue on the newsstand contains a picture article on 600 hydraulic components. Terrifying. It show contains a pic of the master window controller on the driver's door. $2500 Euros. A bargain compared to the heater control panel which I was told costs about ten grand. Apparently squirting it with contact cleaner doesn't help much. The article has a few things to say about the hydraulic system in general, stating that if there are no leaks, system pressure is expected to hold for at least several years without leakdown. No wonder Hugh Hefner has put his two 600s on the market. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/ea080ce1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/1a170a88/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] She's a strong one
http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1416688871.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300D - $2500 (Old Lyme, Ct)
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1417104259.html 1984 Mercedes Benz 300 Turbo Diesel. 1 owner, total maintenance history, always garaged, 220,000 miles, great condition. AC does not work, needs new exhaust pipe, otherwise drives great, no major problems. Not sure how this got on the Charleston list, but here ya go... might be a nice car. --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/96bbf879/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
If these things were RWD, I'd strongly consider buying it for a MBZ repower. http://lansing.craigslist.org/rvs/1416022103.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT The dangers of a guy with a welder
http://sites.google.com/site/kenymarshall/Home/work-in-progess --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
a 2.2 liter Renault engine to haul that thing around? Perhaps you could drop in a 240D engine. --R Mitch Haley wrote: If these things were RWD, I'd strongly consider buying it for a MBZ repower. http://lansing.craigslist.org/rvs/1416022103.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
Rich Thomas wrote: a 2.2 liter Renault engine to haul that thing around? Perhaps you could drop in a 240D engine. Sideways, hooked up to a transaxle? I know we had somebody here (or maybe on mbz.org) who thought it would be no big deal to convert one to RWD, but not me. Best I can think of is TDI power, which would be a step up only because the Renault diesel was pretty useless. I'd love for somebody to put a Vixen with a blown motor up for sale at $500. I'd put a OM603 or 606 in that. I've been finding Vixens with freshly rebuilt or new BMW 2.4s in them for $12-15k, but no dead ones so far. I think a 350hp 'crazy Finn' Vixen would be the perfect motorhome. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Ditto - except for things like VW and Porsche where the cylinder comes off 1st - I suspect if Kaleb looks closely he'll see there is no way a piston can come out of the bottom. Man! It sounds like pulling the engine and tranny is a bear! LarryT Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:50 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD So far as I know, pistons/rods _always_ come out the top. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Hi Dave, I've sen MB recommend the engine/tranny come out as a unit before (back in the late 60s) but that was mostly because of the difficult keeping the torque converter fully engaged in the primary pump of the transmission. A work around is to undo the fasteners holding the TC onto the engine (they were exposed in the 69 280SE I had) allowing the rear plate to separate from the TC and the TC stay with the transmission. My 240D came apart the same way - But the 140 may be entirely different - if there's no opening in the engine to transmission plate to allow access to the bolts attaching the rear plate (shaped like a triangle) to the TC you must do as MB says.. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD I did not see any way to drop the oil pan with the engine in the car. The front frame is directly under where you want to get to and can't be removed (without a torch or plasma cutter). If anyone knows how to avoid pulling the engine, please speak up. Once you get the oil pan off you can access the lower end of the connecting rod to replace it without pulling the crank. The transmission and engine come out as a unit. You will need a 2-ton shop crane. To access the center of gravity of the engine/transmission unit you need to extend the arm to it's maximum. The lift capacity goes down as the arm length goes up. Even with the Harbor Freight 2-ton crane maxed, the lift cylinder wanted to hit against the front bumper. If I had to do it again, I'd use a gantry crane on wheels. I was quoted $140 from the dealer for the replacement rod. They charged me $190 when it came in. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? Mitch Haley wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT The dangers of a guy with a welder
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:21:56 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://sites.google.com/site/kenymarshall/Home/work-in-progess I'm not quite sure what he intends to end up with, so I don't see the point. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
If I didn't still have a confidentiality agreement in force I could tell you stories about these things that would make your toes curl. A Deer Shanny would be the best application of this thing I can think of. The deer would probably enjoy it. Dan --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 5:11 PM If these things were RWD, I'd strongly consider buying it for a MBZ repower. http://lansing.craigslist.org/rvs/1416022103.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/3c9cf5ea/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
LWB250 wrote: If I didn't still have a confidentiality agreement in force I could tell you stories about these things that would make your toes curl. 2.2 Frenchy motors, or LeSharo-Phasar-Centauri? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: a 2.2 liter Renault engine to haul that thing around? Perhaps you could drop in a 240D engine. Sideways, hooked up to a transaxle? I'm too lazy to Google it, but I know more than one Northstar V-8 from a FWD Cadillac has been dropped into a Delorean, and I seem to remember the same engine and transaxle being involved in a one-off Tucker Torpedo replica. Should be easier to put it in a vehicle with the expected drive wheels rather than a rear-engine/RWD one. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Did you just replace one rod on your car? I do not remember this story, so what were the details? dave walton wrote: I did not see any way to drop the oil pan with the engine in the car. The front frame is directly under where you want to get to and can't be removed (without a torch or plasma cutter). If anyone knows how to avoid pulling the engine, please speak up. Once you get the oil pan off you can access the lower end of the connecting rod to replace it without pulling the crank. The transmission and engine come out as a unit. You will need a 2-ton shop crane. To access the center of gravity of the engine/transmission unit you need to extend the arm to it's maximum. The lift capacity goes down as the arm length goes up. Even with the Harbor Freight 2-ton crane maxed, the lift cylinder wanted to hit against the front bumper. If I had to do it again, I'd use a gantry crane on wheels. I was quoted $140 from the dealer for the replacement rod. They charged me $190 when it came in. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: If I wanted to replace that one rod, I would have to pull the crank and everything wouldnt I? Mitch Haley wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: IMHO, you have a problem with a bent rod on #1. It is bent enough so that I predict a short life after the engine is running again , if you don't address the #1 rod at least. Seems to me what you describe is in the neighborhood of 0.010 inch or so, (maybe more) and that is a problem. I concur. If five pistons stand proud of the block, and one piston is recessed, and you can detect that by feel, there's something wrong with that one cylinder. When you add to that the fact that the most worn cylinder is the same one with the short rod, and it's the cylinder that's famous for bending its rod, I'd say replace that rod and hope you caught it quick enough so that cylinder still seals ok. If one cylinder out of six makes 95% of the power of the others, the engine as a whole shouldn't run too badly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/edf7bc93/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
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Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
got ya dave walton wrote: Piston comes out the top. I used the blade from my utility knife to remove the crust around the inner top lip of the cylinder. It flaked off easily once you got underneath it. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:27:01 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Will it remove out the top? I figured it would have to come out the bottom. If you don't have a ridge at the top of the cylinder, it should. You might need to use a ridge-breaker. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/00ed10c2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen...
Work for a supplier to Winnebago for the product line. And I'm almost embarrassed to admit that. That we supplied product to Winnebago, that is. Dan --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] The cheapest LeSharo I've ever seen... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 7:13 PM LWB250 wrote: If I didn't still have a confidentiality agreement in force I could tell you stories about these things that would make your toes curl. 2.2 Frenchy motors, or LeSharo-Phasar-Centauri? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/782e2d8e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Like I said, I always though they were easier since you did not have to mess with those 2 little allen bolts up top, its just one big center hex bolt. LarryT wrote: Hi Mitch - When I started doing work on this W124's engine I bought a set of allen wrenches that have little round shapes at the end - they can go into the screw at a slight angle and usually snap into place - I replaced the manifold gasket on the engine which had some bolts difficult to reach in a straight shot and these wrenches unscrewed them without any problem. I took a brief look at the motor mounts and Kaleb's comment appears to be spot-on! They look to be easy to reach - even the one under the turbo shouldn't be too bad. I need to check them to be sure they are bad - we're getting a lot of movement at idle once warmed up - but Rustys prices are pretty good - list is over $130 ea and he sells 3 different mounts - from $33 to $88 - now I need to find out if there's any difference between the 3 ... Thx ! LarryT 91 300D -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] wtf?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
I probably need to have one anyway. LarryT wrote: I've got a ridge reamer if you'd like to borrow it - LarryT -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300D - $2500 (Old Lyme, Ct)
It got on the Charleston list because it didn't sell on CT. list-IIRC-it has some issues. That Is plenty of money for needing an exhaust too and no AC. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300D - $2500 (Old Lyme, Ct) http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1417104259.html 1984 Mercedes Benz 300 Turbo Diesel. 1 owner, total maintenance history, always garaged, 220,000 miles, great condition. AC does not work, needs new exhaust pipe, otherwise drives great, no major problems. Not sure how this got on the Charleston list, but here ya go... might be a nice car. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels
Maybe they are the snow wheels? Might last a bit longer than on pavement - though not much --- On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: I should think traction, especially if the need for hard breaking were to arise, would be a big problem - not to mention ride quality. I would expect the second pic would be repeated with the first car very soon. Bill -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Eco-friendly wheels http://pics.nerdnirvana.org/d/21293-2/car-wooden-wheels.jpg -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/47b0c124/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Yup - I replaced them on the '90 300D 2.5T immediately after buying it. Definatly easier than the earlier type. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Like I said, I always though they were easier since you did not have to mess with those 2 little allen bolts up top, its just one big center hex bolt. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/231de7d8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
You always pull the engine/trans together, at least in any MB I have ever worked on. I can have that engine out in about an hour or less probably, so that is not THAT big of a deal, but I really dont want to mess with it. Guess I will have to though. LarryT wrote: Hi Dave, I've sen MB recommend the engine/tranny come out as a unit before (back in the late 60s) but that was mostly because of the difficult keeping the torque converter fully engaged in the primary pump of the transmission. A work around is to undo the fasteners holding the TC onto the engine (they were exposed in the 69 280SE I had) allowing the rear plate to separate from the TC and the TC stay with the transmission. My 240D came apart the same way - But the 140 may be entirely different - if there's no opening in the engine to transmission plate to allow access to the bolts attaching the rear plate (shaped like a triangle) to the TC you must do as MB says.. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wtf?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 That is one sweet ride. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
the proper tool is a ridge reamer. If you can see the crosshatching, you really don't need a ridge reamer though. In that case, cleaning off the carbon with a knife should work, but don't scrape below the carbon ring into the travelled part of the bore. At 06:21 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: got ya dave walton wrote: Piston comes out the top. I used the blade from my utility knife to remove the crust around the inner top lip of the cylinder. It flaked off easily once you got underneath it. -Dave Walton On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:27:01 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Will it remove out the top? I figured it would have to come out the bottom. If you don't have a ridge at the top of the cylinder, it should. You might need to use a ridge-breaker. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/00ed10c2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 126 trailer hitch
Does anyone have plans for a 126 (2nd version) trailer hitch? Specifically 87 SDLI remember discussion and plans for a TD trailer hitch a few years ago. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
I did RR the pan in the 126 300SDL - in the car. It would not be possible without removing the drag link and steering shock combo though. SInce mine were crushed in the fall with the oil pan, they were coming out anyway. I beleive that you could RR the #1 rod, from what I remember, once the pan is off. OR - you could replace that block with the earlier 603, and use the head from that engine, and not have to worry aboput it at all On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I think its got the same pan as all the other 603's do, which is a 1 piece I believe. Loren Faeth wrote: On the older Diesels, the smaall steel pan could be removed, engine in car, to service #1 and the oil pump. I have never seen a 603/140 combination, so I don't know what you are up against. If it has a one piece pan, you will have to pull the engine. At that time, you may want to use your weird 603, or repair the original. At 09:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/c34ec167/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel (In your back yard)]
Okkk Original Message Subject:Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel (In your back yard) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/1418521382.html to contact the person who posted this. Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel Date: 2009-10-12, 5:17PM Make black diesel out of used motor oil. It's much easier to make and to get than biodiesel It provides better mileage and power than pump diesel. It works great in most diesel engines including Ford Powerstroke, Dodge Cummins, VW TDI, Mercedes diesels, International, John Deere etc. It may not solve the world energy problems but it could solve yours and save you a ton of money. Read more... * Location: In your back yard * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/1418521382.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/ee4128e6/attachment.html -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/ee4128e6/attachment.pl -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Beatles Picked Apart
Cool BBC program where they dissect popular music track by track. Neat stuff by the Beatles: http://waxy.org/2009/10/audio_analysis_of_the_beatles_multitrack_masters/ Dan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/3c39fd89/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel (In your back yard)]
This posting has been flaggedhttp://www.craigslist.org/about/help/flags_and_community_moderationfor removal On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Okkk Original Message Subject:Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel (In your back yard) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/1418521382.html to contact the person who posted this. Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel Date: 2009-10-12, 5:17PM Make black diesel out of used motor oil. It's much easier to make and to get than biodiesel It provides better mileage and power than pump diesel. It works great in most diesel engines including Ford Powerstroke, Dodge Cummins, VW TDI, Mercedes diesels, International, John Deere etc. It may not solve the world energy problems but it could solve yours and save you a ton of money. Read more... * Location: In your back yard * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/1418521382.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/ee4128e6/attachment.html -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/ee4128e6/attachment.pl -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/8a24e29c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wtf?
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 Well, he has good feedback. The pictures with the people's head blocked out are a little wierd, though. $785 isn't a bad price if you want a '72 280SEL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel (In your back yard)]
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:35:26 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Okkk This posting has been flagged for removal. Original Message Subject: Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel (In your back yard) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/1418521382.html to contact the person who posted this. Convert used Motor Oil into black diesel Date: 2009-10-12, 5:17PM Make black diesel out of used motor oil. It's much easier to make and to get than biodiesel It provides better mileage and power than pump diesel. It works great in most diesel engines including Ford Powerstroke, Dodge Cummins, VW TDI, Mercedes diesels, International, John Deere etc. It may not solve the world energy problems but it could solve yours and save you a ton of money. Read more... * Location: In your back yard * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/1418521382.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/200910 12/ee4128e6/attachment.html -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/200910 12/ee4128e6/attachment.pl -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 254 kmi 1994 E420 117 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT The dangers of a guy with a welder
Its art I think... We were at a festival the other day where a welder had made a saturn (the planet I mean) like object out of thousands (tens of thousands?) of small metal objects. Stuff like spoons and gears and nails and railroad spikes and shovels and whatnot... Pretty neat, from a distance it looked solid, up close there were tons of holes between the items. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:02:50 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT The dangers of a guy with a welder To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20091012160250.1bca0371.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:21:56 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://sites.google.com/site/kenymarshall/Home/work-in-progess I'm not quite sure what he intends to end up with, so I don't see the point. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/6dfcafec/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wtf?
The dude looks like a more angular Jack of Jack-in-the-Box. Bob On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 Well, he has good feedback. The pictures with the people's head blocked out are a little wierd, though. $785 isn't a bad price if you want a '72 280SEL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/3d0494a0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Yeah call Rusty he will tell you what is good. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: LarryT wrote: Hi Allan - Yup, FEQ is the $33 MM with a MM by Corteco is $88 and another by Rein goes for $70. Hopefully Gary or Rusty will chime in here. I scarcely even recognize the names. (but Corteco sounds kind of familiar) Whatever happened to Febi and Lemforder? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Have have less torque? Anyway, did you have to lift up the engine any to get the pan out? OK Don wrote: I did RR the pan in the 126 300SDL - in the car. It would not be possible without removing the drag link and steering shock combo though. SInce mine were crushed in the fall with the oil pan, they were coming out anyway. I beleive that you could RR the #1 rod, from what I remember, once the pan is off. OR - you could replace that block with the earlier 603, and use the head from that engine, and not have to worry aboput it at all On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I think its got the same pan as all the other 603's do, which is a 1 piece I believe. Loren Faeth wrote: On the older Diesels, the smaall steel pan could be removed, engine in car, to service #1 and the oil pump. I have never seen a 603/140 combination, so I don't know what you are up against. If it has a one piece pan, you will have to pull the engine. At that time, you may want to use your weird 603, or repair the original. At 09:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: I don't know if you can get away with pulling just the lower pan to do #1 or not. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/c34ec167/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/9ad3c244/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Much easier than the old ones. Chief difficulties are access to the top bolt and dropping the lower hexhead into the frame while installing. Loosen top and bottom bolts -- on the diesel, the right side is a pain since the mount is under the turbo and is only accessable from underneath with a flex-head ratchet, and it's usually also stuck. Lower bolts require dropping the lower sound encapsulation panel (usually one piece on the gassers, two on the diesel, and both have to come out). Jack engine, remove both bolts and remove heat shield and mount. New mount will usually be somewhat taller than the old one, so jack the engine some more. Mounts are keyed into the engine carrier. Start bottom bolt first, then top bolt. Helps to leave some slack so you can move then around, and it's usually easier to get both bolts started while underneath. This is required on the W201 as you cannot access the top bolt from above. Screw bottom bolt up lightely, lower jack, tighten both bolts fully. Remember to put the heat shield back where it was. On the gasser, you may have to remove the bottom bolt on the left side and jack the engine up quite a bit to reach the top bolt, as it's under the intake and when the mounts are really flat, it's quite difficult to get a wrench on it, even with a 2' extension! Fairly easy to reach when new. Easy to check condition, too -- if there is less than 3/4 inch or so between the bottom of the hemispherical part's lower edge and the frame, or you find thick fluid leaking out, they are shot. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bore measurements on 140 SD
Yes I did, but not a lot. I think I loosened the upper engine mount bolts, but didn't remove them. Less torque, but more HP - don't know if you'd notice the diffence though without a stop watch? Then again, as heavy as the 140 is, you'd do better with the starship engine in it On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Have have less torque? Anyway, did you have to lift up the engine any to get the pan out? -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/1068019f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a/c no worky
Check the clutch coil for a short. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: 1987 300D mercedes diesel 165k miles must sell - $600 (Northville)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com Subject: 1987 300D mercedes diesel 165k miles must sell - $600 (Northville) X-Originating-IP: [208.82.236.168] To: fred.s...@verizon.net X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 3.01 (F2.74; A1.74; B3.07; Q3.07) X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.5.421 [270.14.12/2431] X-Antispam: NO; Spamcatcher 5.2.1. Score 1 fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/1417780893.htmlhttp://albany.craigslist.org/cto/1417780893.html to contact the person who posted this. -- 1987 300D mercedes diesel 165k miles must sell Date: 2009-10-12, 11:57AM Car starts runs and drives well. To pass nys inspection car will need a windshield and has a broken turn signal lens. Car has good tires. The car has a lot of the luxury features broken some include cruise control, rear windows wont go down, heater will only blow on high, battery goes dead if it is not started for over a week, and a lot of the interior pieces are worn or broken, but like I said car runs and drives well. Has made many trips to florida and back. Also has a clean title. No pictures come look at the car if you are interested. Body has very little rust car was originally a leased car in florida. I will be able to show the car this thursday-sunday call if you are interested 518-701-7096 * Location: Northville * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/1417780893.htmlhttp://albany.craigslist.org/cto/1417780893.html -- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/lJnZz5CZyFGdlZHQ6lmcu42b0VmbGhttp://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/lJnZz5CZyFGdlZHQ6lmcu42b0VmbG -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/f0e0f751/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 140 300SD oil pan removal
I was just looking at the oil pan removal procedure in the WIS, trying to see if possible to remove with engine in car. The official procedure looks like from quick glance, engine stays in car supported from above, front springs, axle and etc is removed from the bottom. Wonder if it would be easier to just remove the engine. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wtf?
Yea, I was more thinking it strange the pictures. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 Well, he has good feedback. The pictures with the people's head blocked out are a little wierd, though. $785 isn't a bad price if you want a '72 280SEL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/c2c96695/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wind tunnels
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Re: [MBZ] 140 300SD oil pan removal
That's what it says for the 126 as well. However, if you're willing to remove the drag link and steering shock, you won't need to drop the frame to get enough clearance - at least in the 126. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I was just looking at the oil pan removal procedure in the WIS, trying to see if possible to remove with engine in car. The official procedure looks like from quick glance, engine stays in car supported from above, front springs, axle and etc is removed from the bottom. Wonder if it would be easier to just remove the engine. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/be97515b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 300SD oil pan removal
There should be more room in a 140, but I guess I will just have to get under there and see. OK Don wrote: That's what it says for the 126 as well. However, if you're willing to remove the drag link and steering shock, you won't need to drop the frame to get enough clearance - at least in the 126. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I was just looking at the oil pan removal procedure in the WIS, trying to see if possible to remove with engine in car. The official procedure looks like from quick glance, engine stays in car supported from above, front springs, axle and etc is removed from the bottom. Wonder if it would be easier to just remove the engine. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/be97515b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091012/a8a4449e/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
