Re: [MBZ] I'm still ATL (among the living) and frappr map

[Brian Chase]

Hey, Listers. I wanted to make it known that I'm still on board with the 
list and still keeping my 240d. Some of you may remember the saga that was 
unfolding several weeks ago with me and my '83 240d.


To recap: I had my brother purchase this CA, AZ, rust-free honey with 120k 
for me. But when I went out to AZ to pick her up, the engine was blown, or 
otherwise shot (mystery what's wrong). Brother claims not to know what 
happened, but the engine is siezed.


So once in AZ (on a one-way airline ticket) and finding my ride home shot, I 
frantically petitioned the list for advice - (thanks to all who helped). I 
was, at that time, deciding between selling the thing and keeping it. In the 
end, my desire for the vehicle won out, and I am going to do what it takes 
to make it whole again.


I chose this vehicle for a reason, and I won't let this obstacle kill my 
dream. I really admire these '80's 123's, and that's what I want to be 
driving - especially the 240, with its simplicity (manual gear box and 
windows, and it's decent fuel mileage).


So, to end the rambling: Again, I wanted to let the listers know I'm still 
onboard, and I still enjoy the list, and I will have many Diesel questions 
forthcoming in the near future.


ALSO: I am intrigued by this frappr map thing that I see. What's the srory 
on it? As far as I can see, it's simply a way for people to say, hey, I live 
here, and here's a pic of my car, and hello. I'd like to put in my bid as 
the only Minnesota dieseler. Am I missing something?


All the best - Brian
83 240D 121k



From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] frappr map
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:36:27 -0600

Never mind. It works now. Damn Beta's
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

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Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] frappr map


> > Hans,
> >
> > You now have a clean "Shoutout" to start from...
> >
>
> >From the looks of it, we ALL may have a clean map to start from.
> http://www.frappr.com/benzbunch
>
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=searchgroup&query=benz
>
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=searchgroup&query=mercedes
>
> We are nowhere to be found
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] I'm still ATL (among the living) and frappr map

[Brian Chase]

Hey, Listers. I wanted to make it known that I'm still on board with the 
list and still keeping my 240d. Some of you may remember the saga that was 
unfolding several weeks ago with me and my '83 240d.


To recap: I had my brother purchase this CA, AZ, rust-free honey with 120k 
for me. But when I went out to AZ to pick her up, the engine was blown, or 
otherwise shot (mystery what's wrong). Brother claims not to know what 
happened, but the engine is siezed.


So once in AZ (on a one-way airline ticket) and finding my ride home shot, I 
frantically petitioned the list for advice - (thanks to all who helped). I 
was, at that time, deciding between selling the thing and keeping it. In the 
end, my desire for the vehicle won out, and I am going to do what it takes 
to make it whole again.


I chose this vehicle for a reason, and I won't let this obstacle kill my 
dream. I really admire these '80's 123's, and that's what I want to be 
driving - especially the 240, with its simplicity (manual gear box and 
windows, and it's decent fuel mileage).


So, to end the rambling: Again, I wanted to let the listers know I'm still 
onboard, and I still enjoy the list, and I will have many Diesel questions 
forthcoming in the near future.


ALSO: I am intrigued by this frappr map thing that I see. What's the srory 
on it? As far as I can see, it's simply a way for people to say, hey, I live 
here, and here's a pic of my car, and hello. I'd like to put in my bid as 
the only Minnesota dieseler. Am I missing something?


All the best - Brian
83 240D 121k



From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] frappr map
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:36:27 -0600

Never mind. It works now. Damn Beta's
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

- Original Message -
From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] frappr map


> > Hans,
> >
> > You now have a clean "Shoutout" to start from...
> >
>
> >From the looks of it, we ALL may have a clean map to start from.
> http://www.frappr.com/benzbunch
>
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=searchgroup&query=benz
>
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=searchgroup&query=mercedes
>
> We are nowhere to be found
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
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[MBZ] An SD in the new movie Derailed?

[Brian Chase]

Dieselers,

While I'm not a movie guy, I've seen a couple traliers for the new Jennifer 
Anniston movie "Deralied" and they both had shots of what appeared to be a 
late '80s 300SD. Actually, it's probably not a diesel - not sure the klatta 
is so much cut out for stunt work, but at any rate, thought it was 
interesting.


Brian
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98

[Brian Chase]

Yes, those 440s tend to pull like a freight train too, right from idle. 
Wasn't going to mention it, but with all the posts regarding old American 
steel, I'm going to throw out there that I have pretty much decided to sell 
my '68 Coronet 500 two door coupe.


She was my first car - had 'er since I was 16 (c. 20 years). Arizona car. 
The 500 was a luxury option, but I turned it into a street machine. Have the 
original trim.


Replace the original 383 with a 440 which I had completely rebuilt (forged 
pistons, roller rockers, stellite valve seats, etc. etc. Rebuilt tranny and 
suspension, etc. Front disc.


Won't go into too much detail, I know it's way Off Topic. Would be seeking 
around $10k - otherwise may just keep 'er in the family.


Brian



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:29:42 -0500

Although I liked the big Buicks I was more partial to the late 60's early 
70's Chryslers. My ideal pimpmobile was a 69 Chrysler Imperial my 
grandfather had. Nothing but yards of chrome, leather and a big block 440 
that sounded like a freight train when you floored it


69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98


The Wildcat is my ideal Pimpmobile!

http://www.dreams-cars.net/images/Pubs/Buick/Pub_Buick_Wildcat_1966.jpg

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 11/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah the Wildcat, it wasn't only big it was pretty fast too if you ordered 
the

430cid engine option. that was a tire abuser!
>
> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:02:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98
>
>
> You wrote:< > and largest production GM car to date, a 1972 Olds 98>>>
>
> Awww, these young whipper snapper don't know what a *real* land yacht 
is!

> ;-)
>
> The 68 Buick Wildcat was pretty big also -
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98
>
>
> > beg  to differ on that largest car, have ya ever seen a 59 Caddy ? you 
can

> > almost play full court basketball on the hood
> >
> > 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> > 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> > 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> > 1999 Mazda Miata
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 'Mercedes mailing list' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:12:14 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98
> >
> >
> > With all of this 92 Olds 98 bashing it probably would not be wise to 
share
> > with the froup the fact that I used to own a true land barge, the 
longest

> > and largest production GM car to date, a 1972 Olds 98.
> >
> > The 92 Olds 98 is small in comparison.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > www.kegkits.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> > On Behalf Of David Brodbeck
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:44 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 Olds 98
> >
> > Kevin wrote:
> >> The car handles like it needs nav lights and a ship-to-shore radio :)
> >>
> >
> > Add them.  And a flying bridge, while you're at it.  It'll be great. 
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[MBZ] Reputable Indies in Phoenix

[Brian Chase]

Jim, this is kind of directed at you, as I know you live in the Phoenix 
area. Anyone else though, is free to respond.


I'm trying to make an action plan for getting the 240D on the road. I have a 
quote from Tri Star (which is making me ache) on an engine. - $950 for 160k.


So I wanted to find out a trustworthy indie in the Phoenix area that you 
think might be willing to install the engine.


Thanks

Brian
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Reputable Indies in Tucson this time

[Brian Chase]

Thanks guys. I knew there was somebody from Litchfield Park here too.

Hey, as strange as this sounds, I need to ask if anyone has a good 
recommendation for Tucson as well.


You see, our action plan is still in flux. The car is in Tucson, the engine 
is in Phoenix, etc.


Tucson is my home town, but I haven't lived there since being bitten by the 
klatta bug, so I never had cause to investigate.


I don't think there are any listers from southeastern AZ, but thought I'd 
throw it out there.


Brian
83 240D



From: Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reputable Indies in Phoenix
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:22:18 -0700

Hi Brian,

Chuck here in Phoenix.

I suggest MB Motors, 692-392-0686.Bud Cloninger is the owner and
is VERY reliable.

If you call him, tell him I said HELLO..  This is were I take my
car when I don't feel OK about doing something myself

Take care,

Chuck
1980 300SD
Phoenix, AZ
On Nov 15, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

> Jim, this is kind of directed at you, as I know you live in the
> Phoenix area. Anyone else though, is free to respond.
>
> I'm trying to make an action plan for getting the 240D on the road.
> I have a quote from Tri Star (which is making me ache) on an
> engine. - $950 for 160k.
>
> So I wanted to find out a trustworthy indie in the Phoenix area
> that you think might be willing to install the engine.
>
> Thanks
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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[MBZ] Cost to rebuild

[Brian Chase]

Allright, I'll admit it: There's no way I'd attempt to rebuild my engine, so
I'm either putting in a used one, or having it rebuilt. (talking about my 83
240D with siezed engine)

So let me ask: Who can tell me what I might get charged to have this done. I
know nobody can say with accuracy, but I'm just asking for input based on
your experiences, list. Let's assume it needs a complete rebuild.

And thanks for the tip about a good indie in Phoenix, Chuck, and others. He 
sounded like a real good guy - friendly and an enthusiast. But I have not 
yet called him back to ask him
what he might charge for a rebuild, because at the time I spoke to him, my 
intentions were

to put in a used engine. So what do you guys/gals think?

Brian
83 240D

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[MBZ] 240D availibility comment

[Brian Chase]

I was intrigued by the suggestion that perhaps I should just forget about my 
poor sick 83 240D and get another one - as they are plentiful.


Honestly, if I could find another one approximately as good as it, I would 
investigate. (still a hassle trying to secure purchase of it and get title 
and ship) (and the issue of being able to trust seller). But they didn't 
seem to be very plentiful, to me, as I searched.


I found quite a few 300Ds for sale, and all of them were either way too 
shabby, or too expensive (like $3k and up). That's part of the reason we 
were so happy to find what we found.


But seriously, if someone knows of a few '80s 240Ds available, let me know. 
The one I have is a rust-free unit with 120k, and a couple minor dents, and 
quite a few small scratches from careless use (and, yes, an engine problem). 
I would be looking for something about as good (with no engine problem). We 
paid $1800.


Brian
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Cost to rebuild

[Brian Chase]

Yeah, I know it'll be a lot of money - perhaps more than I paid for the 
thing. Admittedly, I don't live up to the image of the list in terms of my 
do-it-yourself capability and motivation. It's just not one of my strong 
suits. I like to use cars, but don't like to work on them, except for very 
minor stuff.


So I'm faced with either ridding myself of the auto, or forking out to have 
it fixed. As I stated in my other email today, (subject: 240D availibility 
statment) (yes, misspelled), I did not find it very easy to get my hands on 
a vehicle like this. I really like the thing and don't want to let it go. So 
to the shop with it.


When I first started searching for an '80s Mercedes diesel, I was more 
gung-ho about just getting a beater and running it 'til it broke, then 
getting another one. But somewhere along the line it became more like: I've 
found a honey of a car here (in terms of mileage and rust) and I want to 
make sure my investment pays off long-term. So I'm less inclined to just let 
it go and search for another one. I know I'm a sucker. I just want to start 
driving this damned thing. I've waited so long.


Brian
83 240D



From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cost to rebuild
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:24:13 -0600

You will need a breaker bar to turn it over unless the plugs are
removed.  You will be spending alot of money to have a shop work on that
old car.

Brian Chase wrote:

> Yeah, I do still remember the advice about pouring Pepsi, then
> penetrating oil into the injector holes, and all the other advice on how
> to troubleshoot this thing. Appreciate it all.
>
> To answer the question: I believe we used a 3/4 in. drive w/o any
> breaker. Dave is an average-to-above average strength guy and he pulled
> on the thing for a coulpe seconds with moderate effort, and it didn't
> budge.
>
> Because of the situation we have, however, it looks like I'll just have
> to take it in to a shop and let them do it. (Brother has become too busy
> to look at the thing - and I can't because it's 1500 miles away from
> me). So my current plan is to go to have it towed to a recommended
> mechanic in Tucson and get their ananysis.
>
> I'll keep y'all updated. Can't wait to be driving this thing by spring
> time.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D (the dreamcar)
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Re: [MBZ] Cost to rebuild

[Brian Chase]

That's what I'm talkin about.

Brian

Tom wrote (on a different subject):

I myself feel the MB diesel and some MB gasers are the only work horses on 
the

road that deserves this attention and TLC.

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[MBZ] Head gasket blown?

[Brian Chase]

I was reminded that what may be ailing my engine (240d) is a blown head 
gasket.


If that's the case, (typically speaking) is the engine in need of an 
overhaul, or can the cylinder(s) affected be repaired in-car? I'm assuming 
coolant in the cylinder and perhaps some pitting?


What do you all envision in this scenario?

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Re: [MBZ] Head gasket blown?

[Brian Chase]

I understand my questions can be a bit overwhelming at times. I seek 
information. It's how I learn. Maybe I'll post it again after Thanksgiving 
when more people are back at work.


Brian



From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Head gasket blown?
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:50:21 -0500

dave walton wrote:
> Would the coolant seep around the piston rings and end up in the oil 
pan?


Usually.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Head gasket blown?

[Brian Chase]

Cool. Thanks.

Brian



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Head gasket blown?
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:05:53 -0600



Brian Chase wrote:

> Good question. The thing was smoking (could mostly see it in the
> headlights of cars following at night). It wasn't black-ish smoke. And
> it didn't seem blue-ish like burning oil, nor was there a burnt-oil
> smell, or any oil collected in the tailpipe.

The smoke is normal

>
> Remember, this thing is shrowded in mystery because the breakdwon
> occurred while I was not around and someone else put a bunch of miles on
> it - possibly someone was allowed to drive it who had little sense
> (girlfried, drinking buddy? - the truth is hard to come by someitmes).
> Or it could be that there was a problem with the engine when be bought
> it. The kid we got it from claimed his dad replaced the engine before
> his death. But with 120k on the clock, I don't see why. Maybe he put in
> a crap engine? Or did improper repairs? I don't have much faith in the
> previous owner.
>
> The other scenario would be its being run out of oil and driven dry of
> oil. The thing was using oil shockingly fast when I drove it around, but
> I have since been told that if the car sits for a long period (it sat
> for around a year), it often consumes oil for a while when it is first
> driven again. Also, I was told that if one fills the oil up to the full
> mark (which I did repeatedly), it will burn it down fast.

It was almost certain to have been run out of oil.  These things will
use/leak some oil and whoever was driving it without permission probably
didnt check it.

>
> A small bit of evidence in favor of the blown head gasket is the coolant
> level being significantlly low (it wasn't when I was using it). I know,
> inconclusive, but still evidence.

Thats not very good evidence.
>
> So, Marshall/others, what would be the indicators of a blown head 
gasket?

>
> What would be the indicators of siezing due to lack of oil?

If the engine is really siezed it would only because by

A: Ran out of oil and it locked up

B: Threw a rod and got stuck

C: Timing chain broke and it got stuck.

You could pull the oil pan and tell real quick whats going on if it was
run out of oil or if it threw a rod.  Pull the valve cover to see if the
  timing chain is broke.  My money is still on they ran it out of oil.
Seen it many times.
>
> Some have suggested a broken timing chain. Wouldn't this be a sudden
> seizing? This siezing wasn't sudden.
>
> Brian
> 83 240d
>
>
>> From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Head gasket blown?
>> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:11:12 -0500
>>
>> Brian Chase wrote:
>> > I was reminded that what may be ailing my engine (240d) is a blown 
head

>> > gasket.
>> >
>> > If that's the case, (typically speaking) is the engine in need of an
>> > overhaul, or can the cylinder(s) affected be repaired in-car? I'm
>> > assuming coolant in the cylinder and perhaps some pitting?
>>
>> A blown head gasket (relatively rare) is almost always replaced with 
the

>> engine in the car. Usually/often the timing chain is replaced as well
>> (unless it's relatively new).
>>
>> Why do you think the head gasket is blown??? A blown head gasket WON'T
>> usually cause an engine to seize unless you allow it to run until the
>> engine to overheat excessively - and if you do that, a LOT more than 
the

>> head gasket will need to be replaced before the engine will run again.
>>
>> Marshall
>> --
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Re: [MBZ] HAPPY THANKSGIVING

[Brian Chase]

Hey, I turned on the computer for the express purpose of saying happy 
Thanksgiving. Several of you beat me to it!


So I'd like to give thanks for the list, this comfy home (negative 
wind-chill howls outside) and, well, you name it.


Brian
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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:57:01 -0600

And I Third it  ;-)


Russ W.
'83 240D, '83 240D

Hans Neureiter wrote:

>I second that !
>Thanks, Folks.
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>On 11/24/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>and lively discussions over the last year.
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving

[Brian Chase]

Not forgetting the canines, a walk is in order (Minnesota vodka warming 
veins). No, the dogs just get water. What can I say - super premium dog food 
is expensive.


Brian
83 240D



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Subject: [MBZ] Happy Thanksgiving
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:53:27 -0500

 May your fowl be cooked, your cranberries cold, and nobody gets a pie in 
the face.

cheers   (holding a glass of Crown Royal)

69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
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Re: [MBZ] Helloooooooooo

[Brian Chase]

That's not creepy.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Helloo
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:32:01 -0500

Me, I am listening to you.

George Mason

E. Stroudsburg PA

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

>Anybody out there?  Am I the only one working on thanksgiving?  Yes,
>while the wife is cooking Im stuck in front of the computer getting
>parts ready for ebay.
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[MBZ] Movie

[Brian Chase]

Another current Jennifer Aniston movie with a Mercedes in it. What's up with 
that? Not that I care about Anistion, or movies.


Brian
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[MBZ] Oil filter leak

[Brian Chase]

You will be able to tell this question comes from someone who hasn't put in 
many miles in their 240D yet:


Regarding the oil filter: There is a remote, drop-in-element type filter, 
correct? I thought it was mounted on the firewall. Am I incorrect? Are there 
two oil filters - a remote one, and a traditional block-mounted, screw-on 
type?


Reason asked: The mechanic says there's a leak at the fuel filter housing 
gasket. And he says it's mounted to the engine block. My mind is picturing 
that unit on the driver's side of the engine that (I thought) was mounted to 
the firewall. I'm trippin out. Maybe that is the fuel filter. Hardcore 
dieselers: try to disguise your disgust.


I know, I should look at the manual on CD. I don't have it with me right 
now. By way of clarification, the car isn't near me either. I know the 
gasket will be inexpensive, but wonder if the dealer will take a few days to 
order it in. Won't be able to provide part no. (as in for Rusty) 'til I 
actually get my hands on the car. And by that time I won't have much time 
for it to be shipped to me.


Brian
83 240D

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[MBZ] Oil filter leak

[Brian Chase]

Oop, that will be confusing. I meant to say the mechanic says there is a 
leak at the OIL filter housing gasket, not a fuel leak like I mistakenly 
wrote in my previous post.


Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Oil filter leak

[Brian Chase]

Great. Thanks for the answers! I will try tightening before replacing. 
Johnny B says it's a pain to replace. I don't like that type of pain.


Brian
83 240D


From: B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil filter leak
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:33:24 -0800 (PST)

Brian,

  Leaks are common at that point.  Most can be eliminated by simply 
tightening the allen bolts holding the oil filter housing to the block.  
The gasket is simple to replace if necessary.


  Good Luck,

  Bruce

Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Oop, that will be confusing. I meant to say the mechanic says there is a
leak at the OIL filter housing gasket, not a fuel leak like I mistakenly
wrote in my previous post.

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Re: [MBZ] Oil filter leak

[Brian Chase]

Maybe this is why the indie quoted me some $160 to do it. In the same 
conversation he said it was easy to do. Hmm. I think he just didn't want to 
mess with it. Hopefully the leak is slow and perhaps can be made slower by 
tightening. I wouldn't think the paper gasket would be too susceptible to 
splitting from overtightening? Of course it's probably cracked from sitting 
in the dryness and heat.


Brian


From: John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil filter leak
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:57:52 -0500

John Berryman wrote:

>Its a real common leak and a pain to change. Wouldn't attempt with my
> sunday best on.

Yeah, it's a pain.  It's a decision of "Do I want to fool around with 
r&ring the
steering box to gain better access, or do I want to spend twice as long 
with a

very short allen?"

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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
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Re: [MBZ] Oil filter leak

[Brian Chase]

Good info. By gear wrench, you are referring to a ratchet, as in socket 
wrench? May sound like a simple question, but just making sure you aren't 
talking about a flat wrench (as in box end/open end) with a ratchet 
mechanism. By the sounds of it, the clearance in there is so little that a 
ratchet would have trouble fitting.


Also, can you expand on the whole leaving one of the bolts for last thing? 
Is that just for purposes of alignment?


'preciate the details.

Brian


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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:10:25 -0500


On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 03:57 PM, John Ervine wrote:

> Yeah, it's a pain.  It's a decision of "Do I want to fool around with
> r&ring the
> steering box to gain better access, or do I want to spend twice as
> long with a
> very short allen?"
>

I have a combination of tools that I use for the job. Gear wrench with
allen adapter . You still have to take it out and put it back in with
the one bolt in it. You'd hate to find out after you saved that bolt
for last.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Brian Chase]

You know, I gotta say that I have long wondered if I should be using one of 
these oil additives. They sound so great. (Like ProLong, Slick 50, and the 
like. There's one that I'm forgetting, the infomercial for which I just love 
- has me convinced ever time). I just wish I could try them out on someone 
else's vehicle. Seems like there has to be a catch. Sort of like switching 
to Mobil 1. It's like, if it was so beneficial, why isn't everyone doing it?


My wife's Honda CRV makes tapping noises every time it's started up. Makes 
me want to have something in there to keep things coated. And if I could 
extend the life of my old cars, I'd sure do it. Just wonder about the side 
effects, e.g. you put this stuff in your engine or tranny and half a year 
later something goes caput, leaving you to wonder if it would've happened 
had you not made that choice.


Note: this is technically not an oil thread, so I cannot be excommunicated.

Brian
83 240D


From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:56:34 -0800 (PST)

Lubro-Moly has a website, the Motor Oil Saver seems alot like Auto Rx to 
me. I'm considering one or the other come springtime in the 190D (and the 
240D for that matter but that won't be my car by then) if nothing else for 
a psychological effect.


  Anyway from their website:

- reduces oil consumption via the piston rings and valve guides
- prevents blue, smoky exhaust fumes
- prevents leaks due to leaks at elastomeric seals
- regenerates engine seals made of plastic and rubber - reduces engine 
noises

- prevents pollution of the environment due to oil dripping from the engine

Puts an end to oil patches contaminating the environment both on the road 
and in the garage. Oil Leak Stop regenerates rubber and plastic engine 
seals and reduces oil consumption via the piston rings (due to constant 
visco-sity) and via valve guides (due to regenerated seals). Prevents blue 
smoke in the exhaust gases. Compensates for a drop in viscosity and reduces 
engine noise.   Operational area: Suitable for all petrol and Diesel 
engines and compatible with all commercially available engine oils. 300 ml 
is sufficient for 3 -- 4 litres of engine oil. Sealing first takes effect 
after about 600 -- 800 km.



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[MBZ] OT tapping in Honda - was motor oil saver

[Brian Chase]

Yep, it's the "tappita" sound. Initial thought, before I considered that it 
is probably overhead cam, was that it was lifters not getting oil right 
away. At any rate, it sounds like something is not getting oil right away, 
as the sound fades out in about 1 - 3 seconds.


I think that the dealer adjusted the valves not too many thouand miles ago. 
At any rate, they don't say there's anything wrong with the car.


Brian
83 240D
00 Honda CRV (wife's) (neat car, but disappointing mileage and rollover 
risk)


David wrote:

If it's a lighter "tappita tappita" sound, you may need a valve
adjustment.  Most Hondas have solid lifters.  The valve adjustment spec
was originally every 15,000 miles, but that was amended to only when
noisy some time in the '90s.

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[MBZ] Fuel Priming - was 100 dollar diesel

[Brian Chase]

That sounds interesting - your priming technique. Do you mind if I ask for 
some reiteration? After you remove the fuel return line, you are saying that 
you place an air hose in the fuel filler neck (as in where you stick the 
diesel nozzle at the gas station), and wrap a rag around it to seal, then 
hit the air? Not meaning to sound simplistic, just a surprising sounding 
technique to this novice.


Also:

I've wondered about that fuel primer thing on the driver side of engine. I 
know what it is for, and have read the blurb on it in the owners manual, but 
every time I've tried to use it, it spooges fuel with each pump - as in, all 
over my fingers and down the primer pump there. This gave me the impression 
that I was doing it wrong, or that it was broken. But maybe that is what it 
is supposed to do when the system is in fact already primed?


I know, simple questions from me lately, but remember that despite owning 
this auto for some 1.5 years, I have only gotten to use it for a 3 or 4 
days. That will hopefully be changing here in a week or so. 'Preciate any 
answers.


Brian
83 240D


~The problem could be the injection pump lost it's prime. Here is a great
~trick to gain prime if you don't like the hand pump...
~
~Remove the return fuel line. Place air hose in fill neck for fuel, seal 
with
~rag and watch fuel come out of return line. When fuel flows good, system 
is

~primed. Works great on diesels with out hand pumps! I got a diesel Topaz
~once because it would not run after owner ran out of fuel, rag and air 
hose

~fixed it.
~
~After system has good prime, try tow starting. If will not start check
~compression and injectors and injection pump.
~
~Trampas
~



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Alma, Ark
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'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Brian Chase]

Your'e kidding. Wow. I didn't look at the link yet, but that's shocking to 
me - taxpayers picking up health care insurance for these employees. Doesn't 
seem right at all. I'll chime in here with my opinion since everyone else 
is:


I've heard a lot of anti WalMart talk lately in certain circles, and have 
assumed that some was justified, some may not be. It is interesting to me, 
though, that where one shops seems to say something about them. This speaks 
to the emerging classism that may be replacing racism in this country IMHO.


Kind of interesting for me to observe that there are some people that 
frequent WalMart and Burger King, and others that frequent Target and 
Panera. I'm certainly not passing blanket judgement on WalMart shoppers - 
some of my family and best friends go there, and they're quality folks. We 
have just found it to be really annoying and less a nice experience to shop 
there. But I only have the luxury of saying this since being married to a 
woman with a much better career than I have. Were it not for that, I would 
be hitting WallyWorld all the time (but late, late at night when folks are 
not setting their cretins, er, kids loose in there to tire them out in the 
free air conditioning or heat).


Brian


From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:06 -0800

Just ran across this today.  The Washington State government is
subsidizing Wal-Mart to the tune of $12 million a year, by paying for
employee health care:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002791346_walmart07m.html?syndication=rss

The question is, is it really fair for an enormously profitable
corporation to improve their bottom line by pushing the cost of keeping
their employees healthy onto the taxpayers?  They've found a way to
externalize one of the biggest expenses their competitors have.

If a company decided to stop maintaining its truck fleet's condition and
just run them until they broke, we'd say it was stupid. But when a
company like Wal Mart decides to stop "maintaining" their employees'
health and just use them until they go onto public assistance, it's seen
as a brilliant business move and they're rewarded for it.

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[MBZ] Wipers

[Brian Chase]

What do you guys think of Bosch wipers? I'd always bought Anco just 'cause I 
was used to 'em, but began to take note of how they begin to streak after 
just a couple uses. One night I picked up some Bosches, and they're better. 
I also recently got talked into buying the  Bosch "platinum" or whatever the 
more expensive type is because they were offering a free $10 gift card. I'm 
not sure that I've noticed a difference with the more expensive Bosches over 
the regular Bosches.


Brian
83 240D

someone - forgot who - wrote:
After seeing someone either here or mercedesshop mention Michelin
wipers, I found them at WalMart today, $5.76 in all sizes up to
24". I bought one to replace a torn wiper on my Taurus. It was
made in USA by Pylon, which has a license to sell wipers under
the Michelin name. I drove home on a wet salty freeway, and can
report that it wiped clean without chatter. I like it better than
the ANCO Aerovantage blades on that car. I'll buy one for the other
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Brian Chase]

I'm sure you're right. I tend to see things as emerging or new, probably 
owning to my tender age.


Brian



From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:53:38 -0800

Brian Chase wrote:
> where one shops seems to say something about them.
> This speaks to the emerging classism that may be replacing racism in
> this country IMHO.

The only part of that statement I'd take issue with is "emerging."  It's
*always* been a myth that America is a classless society.  The
difference is, it used to be that you could work your way up the ladder.
 You could start as a lower class trailer trash kid, go to work in an
auto plant, and lift yourself into the middle class.  If you were good,
you could even climb into the white collar ranks and eventually retire
comfortably with a nice pension, a boat, and a cabin up north.

That's no longer the case.  Our economy has changed, the gap between
rich and poor has widened, and people are increasingly stuck in
situations where they can never climb, only descend.  To make the
situation worse, those who don't have a lot of financial resources no
longer have the ear of government.  They lack the money to play the
political contribution game and buy access to politicians -- so all the
tax breaks and benefits are increasingly going to the wealthy, widening
the gap even more.

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Re: [MBZ] Wipers

[Brian Chase]

3 Years - that's good use. Wipers up here in MN tend to really get put 
through it. Especially if you're like me and let them do some ice scraping 
for me, rather than standing out there and scraping it myself. Gosh, I doubt 
I'd ever treat my wipers, though I should.


Brian


From: "Tom Scordato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wipers
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:33:06 -0500

Brian I have had Bosch Micro edges up north in PA for almost three years
same pair on my 77 300D.  I clean once in a while with 303 Aerospace
protectorant

Just showing signs of wear, but never make that funky noise or skip.  Make
sure you have no wax on your windshield/Tom
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> What do you guys think of Bosch wipers? I'd always bought Anco just 
'cause

> I
> was used to 'em, but began to take note of how they begin to streak 
after

> just a couple uses. One night I picked up some Bosches, and they're
> better.
> I also recently got talked into buying the  Bosch "platinum" or whatever
> the
> more expensive type is because they were offering a free $10 gift card.
> I'm
> not sure that I've noticed a difference with the more expensive Bosches
> over
> the regular Bosches.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
> someone - forgot who - wrote:
> After seeing someone either here or mercedesshop mention Michelin
> wipers, I found them at WalMart today, $5.76 in all sizes up to
> 24". I bought one to replace a torn wiper on my Taurus. It was
> made in USA by Pylon, which has a license to sell wipers under
> the Michelin name. I drove home on a wet salty freeway, and can
> report that it wiped clean without chatter. I like it better than
> the ANCO Aerovantage blades on that car. I'll buy one for the other
> side next time I'm in town.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Holed the Pan

[Brian Chase]

When I holed my aluminum pan on the big war wagon, I had it welded, and it's 
held for like fifteen years now. It would seem that if aluminum could handle 
it, steel could. Maybe go for the cheaper option?


Brian


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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:12:20 -0500

redghost wrote:
> Do these weld for repair, or should I just get two from Rusty for when
> the Karma Bug bites me again?

I'd get a new pan from a recycler. Most people don't tear a hole in the
pan more than once - but if you're a really slow learner

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Holed the Pan

[Brian Chase]

No joke? A new oil pan for $30? I'd have expected 8 times that. I should get 
one just in case. Or better yet, I'd like to fashion a skid plate.


Brian
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From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:49:30 -0500

I got one from Rusty awhile back, never used it but as I recall it was only
about $30.

Trampas

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Marshall,

I am very slow, slow as my car.  That is what surprised me, was I hit
something going fast enough that it had force enough to go through the
pan.

There seems to be a dearth of 61x pans in the local market at the
moment.  I do want the car back on the road, and if a spare is around,
I will be happy knowing whatever mystery pan killer was out there can
not keep me off the road for long.


On Saturday, February 11, 2006, at 04:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:

> redghost wrote:
>> Do these weld for repair, or should I just get two from Rusty for when
>> the Karma Bug bites me again?
>
> I'd get a new pan from a recycler. Most people don't tear a hole in the
> pan more than once - but if you're a really slow learner
>
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[MBZ] The time has come (again)

[Brian Chase]

Flying out tomorrow (if temps are not too low to fly) to retrieve the 240D.

Will be flying into Phoenix, speding some time there, then head down to 
Tucson where the auto awaits. Will be driving around, enjoying a little 
vacation in my home town, and then will drive back to MN, with grease gun in 
trunk for replenishing the axle with the cracked boot.


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Re: [MBZ] The time has come (again)

[Brian Chase]

Hey that sounds interesting. I may try something like that. Thanks.

Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The time has come (again)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:21:27 -0800

How about a few wraps of some sort of shrink wrap around the cracked boot 
to

keep the grease in until you get a chance to fix it? Sounds wierd but it
might work. Things like tape probably wouldn't work well as the sticky may
not handle the grease but shrink wrap might be ok and especially if applied
while you are where it is warm.

Randy B

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Subject: [MBZ] The time has come (again)


Flying out tomorrow (if temps are not too low to fly) to retrieve the 240D.

Will be flying into Phoenix, speding some time there, then head down to
Tucson where the auto awaits. Will be driving around, enjoying a little
vacation in my home town, and then will drive back to MN, with grease gun 
in

trunk for replenishing the axle with the cracked boot.

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[MBZ] Spotted 300CD for sale

[Brian Chase]

Driving around here in Tucson, I spotted an '82 CD for sale. I caught the 
owner as he came out of his jewelry shop. He says he is very interested in 
selling quickly to make room in his garage.


The thing looks real nice - light tan, clean from what I saw. Said the 
tranny was slipping but he had it fixed. Moonroof doesn't work.


I think he wants either 5500. or 6500. I forget. I got his number if anyone 
wants it. Oh, 141k mi.


No affiliation.

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[MBZ] Spotted 300CD for sale

[Brian Chase]

I actually drove the thing today. Shifts real hard and with a jerk. I would 
envy that type of shift in my musclecar, but with this auto, it seems to 
indicate a problem? Or something not as it should be? I told him to check 
the fluid, and it was below the second mark. It took a couple seconds to 
drop into gear (both D and R) and this is what made me tell him to check the 
level.


The rear windows act funny, sort of hesitating, and then catching up. He 
says it's no problem.


By the way, it's an '82 I believe and he is asking $6500. I know - too much.

Anyway, I don't think it's worth the risk to us. The wife expressed interest 
in it.



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Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[Brian Chase]

AAaak. I found out it was 32.6 MPG. I'm still pretty happy - especially 
considering the terrain and the luggage/tools/supplies.


Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:36:57 -0500


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

>  We got, if I recall, some 34.6 MPG over some hilly terrain,

34.6mpg? You should have no problem selling it on e-bay with that
kind of fuel mileage. Are you sure you figgered that correctly?

How far are you planning to go with the ripped boot? Mine lasted
several thousand miles. The CV-joint is shot but it still moves the
car at highway speeds.


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[MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?

[Brian Chase]

Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these 
things? this means no cel phone plug.


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[MBZ] Hello from North Platte

[Brian Chase]

Went beyond Denver to North Platte Nebraska. Sick of driving. 240 still 
functioning great, although while stuck in nasty Colorodo Springs traffic, I 
noticed a faint scraping sound when I'd let out the clutch to start off in 
first. Any ideas?


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Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?

[Brian Chase]

Yup. I looked in the ash tray a couple times - didn't see a lighter. I 
really did look. I've been known to miss things though. Will try again in 
morning.


Brian


From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:35:03 -0800

Have you opened your ash tray yet?  It should reside just forward of
your shifter.

On 2/24/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these
> things? this means no cel phone plug.

Casey
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'84 300D (210k)
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Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[Brian Chase]

To answer your question: I suppose I'll drive with the ripped boot as long 
as I can. I'm hoping that will be a bit longer than this trip.


No noises yet.

I packed both ripped boots (trying to get it up toward the joint) with 
grease, then wrapped them to try and keep as much grease in the vicinity as 
possible. I was told by my brother that I'm wasting my time - the grease 
will all just fly out, and I should just leave it alone and drive (so less 
dirt would be attracted), but I thought the more grease placed in there, the 
better. Thoughts?


I will try to be creative later, once home. I am thinking of sewing them up 
with fishing line, then gluing the seam with gorilla glue. I know - generic 
- but may as well shoot for the money savings.


Brian
83 240D


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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:36:57 -0500


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

>  We got, if I recall, some 34.6 MPG over some hilly terrain,

34.6mpg? You should have no problem selling it on e-bay with that
kind of fuel mileage. Are you sure you figgered that correctly?

How far are you planning to go with the ripped boot? Mine lasted
several thousand miles. The CV-joint is shot but it still moves the
car at highway speeds.


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[MBZ] Morning sluggishness

[Brian Chase]

Here's a topic you old timers can relate to:

Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? This morning it 
seemed the thing was less peppy than the night before (insert your quips 
here). Was almost scarry trying to take off in traffic - I think it was 
almost floor-boarded and I barely got rolling. Things returned to somewhat 
normal after warming up to normal temp. And after tearing down the freeway 
for numerous miles, peppiness galore. There is no smoking, no signs of ill 
health otherwise.


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Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?

[Brian Chase]

Didn't see a hole - just what looked like a three prong outlet type array of 
slits (on left side). Will look this morn.


Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:23:34 -0800

> Yup. I looked in the ash tray a couple times - didn't see a lighter. I
> really did look. I've been known to miss things though. Will try again
> in morning.

Lighter may be lost, they often are.  But there should be a nice
round hole where it used to live, into which you can plug your phone.
It should be lit when the tray's open, but the bulb is often burnt out.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?

[Brian Chase]

Ha! That's choice.

It seems the PO tore out the lighter. I saw in the owner's manual a drawing 
of it. It's gone. The PO apparently had a fetish with tearing out things and 
playing with the wires.


Brian
83 240D


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:21:50 -0500

Given how much Germans smoke, they should have them on the dash, and the 
sun
visor, and the steering wheel, and on the seat between your legs, and in 
all

the headrests, and probably a few outside the car as a courtesy to
pedestrians.

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 2/25/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> things? this means no cel phone plug.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hello from North Platte

[Brian Chase]

Shoot. I was so determined to get home tonight that I didn't think of that. 
But I only knew of LT Don in Iowa. Who else is down there?


Don't be surprised if I ask some questions about cold weather starting in 
the near future.


We had a successful trip - the 240 ran great. No noticeable problems with 
those CV joints. No smoking, hardly any oil usage.


Brian
83 240D


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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:53:37 -0600

Are you taking I-80 thru Iowa?  Several of us live around it.

On 2/25/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Went beyond Denver to North Platte Nebraska. Sick of driving. 240 still
> functioning great, although while stuck in nasty Colorodo Springs 
traffic,

> I
> noticed a faint scraping sound when I'd let out the clutch to start off 
in

> first. Any ideas?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness

[Brian Chase]

Thanks.

You know what though, this morning was a different story. Nice pep at the 
same time and temp as yesterday's sluggishness.


In fact, that's not the only inconsistency: The mileage suffered, falling 
from the high of 32.6 to around 25 on the next two tanks. I am baffled as to 
why. Does outside temperature affect mileage? We got the higher mileage in 
warmer weather. I mean the engine temp was running the same, but the outside 
temp was colder. Could it be elevation?


Searching for solution, and hoping to get MPGs above 30 again - to make up 
for the price of diesel vs. gas. What's up?


Brian
83 240d


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:43:47 -0800

Old Cold cars are not very happy until they have had a cup of coffee or
two.  Gump takes a few glows on colder mornings.   I live a few miles
from the freeway, so she has ample time to get up to temp. City driving
in the AM she wants some time to wake up.  consider it foreplay.
Fluids are more viscous and the iron just takes a little longer to get
hot enough for full combustion temps to be reached.

Just my vista from a cheap old Benz

On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

> Here's a topic you old timers can relate to:
>
> Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? This morning
> it seemed the thing was less peppy than the night before (insert your
> quips here). Was almost scarry trying to take off in traffic - I think
> it was almost floor-boarded and I barely got rolling. Things returned
> to somewhat normal after warming up to normal temp. And after tearing
> down the freeway for numerous miles, peppiness galore. There is no
> smoking, no signs of ill health otherwise.
>
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?

[Brian Chase]

Yeah, I was figgerin on finding a yard around here to hunt. I also need the 
piece of wood trim on the far right side of dash (part that curves around). 
Also need glove box light (refer to PO's fetish). Also need manual shifter 
boot. For that matter, need antenna and radio, though considering a modern 
radio.


If you want, let me know what you would get for the ash tray, and what it 
might cost to ship it here.


Brian
83 240D


From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:26:49 -0600

you should probably buy a new ash tray then, I have plenty.

Brian Chase wrote:

> Ha! That's choice.
>
> It seems the PO tore out the lighter. I saw in the owner's manual a 
drawing
> of it. It's gone. The PO apparently had a fetish with tearing out things 
and

> playing with the wires.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
>
>>From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:21:50 -0500
>>
>>Given how much Germans smoke, they should have them on the dash, and the
>>sun
>>visor, and the steering wheel, and on the seat between your legs, and in
>>all
>>the headrests, and probably a few outside the car as a courtesy to
>>pedestrians.
>>
>>-Dave Walton
>>94S350, 99E300
>>
>>On 2/25/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these
>>>things? this means no cel phone plug.
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Re: [MBZ] Hello from North Platte

[Brian Chase]

Yeah, I saw that frappr some time ago and asked what it was about. Recently 
talked to Chuck and was reminded of it. I shall get about putting a picture 
on it.


Brian
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From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hello from North Platte
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:03 -0500

I just registered, but don't have a photo of my car yet.

On 2/25/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's what http://www.frappr.com/benzbunch is for --  Is everyone
> registered?
>
> On 2/25/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are a couple in the Ames / Des Moines area (about an hour east /
> > southeast) of me.
> >
> > On 2/25/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shoot. I was so determined to get home tonight that I didn't think 
of

> > > that.
> > > But I only knew of LT Don in Iowa. Who else is down there?
> > >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness

[Brian Chase]

You know, that makes the most sense of anything I can think of. And that 
sucks, as it's cold most of the year around here. Although, we aren't really 
planning on driving the thing during the salty season.


For that matter, I was going to ask the cold-climate listers what they do 
about deciding whether to store their klattas in the winter, or drive them, 
and if they store them, do they start them like once a week, or do they pull 
out the battery and really mothball them.


Brian
83 240D


From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:24:54 -0500


On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:01 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

> In fact, that's not the only inconsistency: The mileage suffered,
> falling from the high of 32.6 to around 25 on the next two tanks. I
> am baffled as to why. Does outside temperature affect mileage? We
> got the higher mileage in warmer weather. I mean the engine temp
> was running the same, but the outside temp was colder. Could it be
> elevation?
>
> Searching for solution, and hoping to get MPGs above 30 again - to
> make up for the price of diesel vs. gas. What's up?
>
> Brian
> 83 240d


You may be getting winterized fuel, you can expect to get lower mpgs
with it.

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[MBZ] No starter response

[Brian Chase]

Another issue!

We took the 240 out to the pub tonight, and when I jumped in to start it I 
got zero response when I tried to engaged the starter.


I glowed like normal, then turned the key to start and nothing. This was 
repeated another time or two, then the next time - success - the starter ran 
like normal. Had to glow again to get a start. It is around 10 degrees out 
here tonight, and we were in the pub for some three hours.


Was just glad not to have to call a tow or try to figure out the problem in 
the cold while the wife waited. But dreading it happening again.


Sound like a bad connection somewhere? Or what?

Brian
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] No starter response

[Brian Chase]

Thanks for concise info.

So, when the thing wants to be put in neutral, and perhaps jiggled, this is 
related to the starter solenoid? Okay. Will look toward getting a reman 
starter.





From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No starter response
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:52:35 -0600

What he just said -- BTDT.

On 2/26/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Try it in neutral (if its automatic), your shift linkage or 
neutral

> safety switch may be out of adjustment. In most cases this is an
> indicator that the starter solenoid is about to completely fail.
> Sometimes when this starts to happen you can jump directly to the
> solenoid from the battery, shortening the circuit and providing more
> current to the solenoid. Start thinking about installing a reman
> Bosch starter because 9 times out of 10 that is the only cure. Unless
> of course you're cheap and want to go for a solenoid only. The down
> side to this is the rest of the starter is just as tired.
>
> Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] No starter response

[Brian Chase]

Cool. That all sounds predictable. This being my first real experience 
owning a diesel in this climate, I was hoping that the silence upon turning 
the key was not this engine's way of saying - I'm from the desert, it's 10 
degrees out here - not part of my job description.


Brian
83 240D


From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] No starter response
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:41:14 -0500


On Feb 26, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

> Thanks for concise info.
>
> So, when the thing wants to be put in neutral, and perhaps jiggled,
> this is related to the starter solenoid? Okay. Will look toward
> getting a reman starter.
>


No, you missed something. That's to see if your neutral safety
switch or linkage is out of adjustment. If moving the linkage has no
effect then the wiring or starter is suspect. The connector at the
neutral switch could possibly be corroded. Clean that connection
before condemning the starter. It most likely is the starter though.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] No starter response

[Brian Chase]

So it really sounds like this problem is specifically recognized by a few of 
you as a starter/solenoid going bad. Wish I'd kept the Auto Joke starter I 
put in then pulled out when I was trying to diagnose what turned out to be 
the siezed engine.


Brian
83 240D


From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No starter response
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:12:19 -0800 (PST)

Assuming you don't have an automatic in which case I'd say neutral safety 
switch. On a manual shift car I'd say this is your starter telling you its 
time to call Rusty and order a replacement while you can get the special 
February deal. I neglected a failing starter way too long on my 240D which 
led to some really annoying times in parking lots ("Come on, come on! 
Please, start just once more.") and lots of time driving around looking for 
a hilly place to park so I could roll start. My car's starter gave me 
nearly a YEAR of warning, it'd stay on  a little too long, then sometimes 
would pull your trick and then for a month it'd be fine...


  -Curt

  Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:37:04 -0700
From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] No starter response
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Another issue!

We took the 240 out to the pub tonight, and when I jumped in to start
it I
got zero response when I tried to engaged the starter.

I glowed like normal, then turned the key to start and nothing. This
was
repeated another time or two, then the next time - success - the
starter ran
like normal. Had to glow again to get a start. It is around 10 degrees
out
here tonight, and we were in the pub for some three hours.

Was just glad not to have to call a tow or try to figure out the
problem in
the cold while the wife waited. But dreading it happening again.

Sound like a bad connection somewhere? Or what?

Brian
83 240D



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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and "Red" Devils

[Brian Chase]

I just discovered the joys of the plastic-headed key. The one I just bought 
broke on me. It was at night, and I assumed the metal of the key had broken. 
Later I realized that the metal does not extend up into the bulk of the 
handle. Real smart.


Also, it seems that my driver's door is not used to a fresh steel key, and 
operates quite tightly, if at all with it. Maybe will shoot some teflon lube 
in there?


And that is hard to believe, Bob, that there is but one Bio pump on PHX. 
Crazy.


Chuck, Jim and I missed you when I was in the area last weekend.

Brian
83 240D


From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Biodiesel List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and "Red" Devils
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:03:13 -0700

Had to drive into the stealership to order a stinkin' key today. The stupid 
plastic head cracked and the metal part of the key fell out and down ito 
the tracks of my seat somewhere. I reckon I'll have to take the seat out to 
retrieve the metal part. $40 for a stinkin' key. Who on the list was making 
nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember?


Whenever I go to the stealership, I usually get a tank of biodiesel. We 
still only have one pump in all of Phoenix...a town with a billion 
gazillion people has ONE bio pump. It's criminal. It's also criminal how 
they continue to charge $2.859 for bio...but #2 is up to $2.649 here. I am 
always amazed how much smoother and quieter my car runs on bio.


While getting the key, I got 20 or so "red devils" as Johnny B called 
them...to repair the floppy trim on my door. Just so all y'all know they 
are no longer red but they are white. I hope she gave me the right 
thing...and I hope Rusty doesn't say that he has them for less than $1 
each...I'll feel like an idiot.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 149K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
'87 Acura Legend 169K
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Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[Brian Chase]

So, if not very sensitive to rpms, are they sensitive to load? Not so much 
referring to the weight carried in the car, or the terrain, but I'm talking 
about whether you stab the accelerator vs. letting the rpms gradually climb?


Brian
83 240D


From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:26:11 -0800

> Really? I keep forgetting to use 5th, I've gotten so used to a 4spd
> after 50kmi. I'm probably going an extra 10-15 miles out of my 80 mile
> round trip commute in 4th when I could be in 5th. I figure thats 50-75
> miles a week. If I want best fuel economy I need to be driving more
> gently and getting into 5th at about 50mph right?

These diesels are much less sensitive to RPM as a factor in mileage
when compared to gassers.  Consider the evidence of those who routinely
run in S around town: essentially no change in mileage, even with a
substantial portion of around-town driving.  But yes, it ought to help
some on the highway.  (And might make a more significant difference in
oil consumption.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Guys, I'm in the same boat - but - it seems that the problem is not the 
tumbler, rather the thingie that causes the column to lock (a rod is it?)


I bought and attempted to install a new tumbler. It is a different body 
though, and didn't seem like it would fit. Will have to see if dealer will 
make right for giving me wrong part.


The point is: it really donesn't seem that the tumbler is the problem. My 
indie said it is often the locking rod, (which is spendy of course) and this 
makes sense to me.


The tumbler actuates quite nicely, but if the wheel is ever bumped into lock 
position, it's locksville. I have said many a fervent prayer that it would 
unlock and not leave me stranded, facing the hundreds of dollars the list 
has warned me about.


The times that it has successfully unlocked, it usually was when I was 
turning the wheel back and forth against the locks concurrent with twisting 
the key back and forth. Most recently, I developed the technique of rapidly 
kicking the bottom of the column while turning the wheel and twisting the 
key. (and praying)


My solution WAS: when I turn off the engine, just don't turn it back all the 
way - to where the thing can lock. This way I can simply leave the key in 
and lock the doors for short errands and remove the tumbler for long 
errands.


My solution became: I quickly realized that the key must be turned all the 
way back to zero every time one wants to run the starter. So now when I turn 
off the engine, I first make sure the wheel isn't turned, and thus doesn't 
want to turn back on its own and lock; I find the middle position in the 
slop of the wheel, and hold it steady there; I turn the key off, but not all 
the way; I quickly turn it to position zero, then back to position one all 
in half a second. Thus I have satisfied its requirement, and am ready for 
next time (sometimes I think I feel it want to lock on me even in that split 
second). I can now either lock the key in the car, or pull the tumbler out.


Works for me, Wife hates it.

My brother and came up with the thought: Could you drill or file another 
notch in the tumbler body (the chrome part that faces driver) so that a pin 
could be inserted when the key is in zero position, rather than having to be 
in position two? This seems like it would allow removal of tumbler, and 
would unlock tumbler, but might not unlock a locked column? Thoughts? (Other 
than just buy the new part).


Also: Was it Luther that said to drip ATF down into it? Are you saying to 
drip some into the ignition hole while the tumbler is out? This is 
intriguing, as I've wondered if it might be the mechanism back in there that 
is causing the problem. What is the consensus?


Brian
83 240D



From: Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:42:31 -0500

Also, take a small tube and drip some ATF down into the mechanism for the 
ignition.  This was required on my Coupe after I installed a new tumbler.


Luther

~Conventional wisdom is to order a new tumbler before disaster strikes.
~
~On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~>
~> I seems that the key in the ignition is starting to get a bit hard to 
turn

~> every now and then (well it sort of sticks and a bit more pressure is
~> required to turn it all the way), is there a recommended lubrication
~method?
~> Or is the key starting to wear?
~>
~> Hendrik
~> with 84 230E
~
~
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Brian Chase]

Respectfully, I'd submit that the bike trails can be used for transportation 
too. If I can do it in Minnesota year round, a lot of other people could 
too. However, most people wouldn't be caught dead on a bicycle - that's for 
kids and losers. I do realize that not everyone has the capability of riding 
though, and that's fine. Just had to put in two cents for the virtue of 
trails. We think they enhance a community.


We are for a good commuter train system too. Though decidedly against cargo 
trains and the like going through town and across highways, bringing them to 
a halt. When a train comes, there is no way around. Hate that feeling. Guess 
it's a good excuse to be late for work. Hmmm.


Brian
83 240D

Lynn wrote:

Only some type of train system would avoid getting stuck in traffic, and 
this

state has been happily ripping out an extensive RR track system for the last
40 years, turning them into cutesy bike trails for recreation.


From: ms.300SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:44:30 -0800

Hey Hendrik,
I'd ride public transportation to the city to work IF it was efficient, and
better than driving a personal car.  Meaning, here, public transportation
means that you get on a bus near your home, then ride that bus, and likely
transferring to another bus in order to get to your place of employment for
the day.  The bus travels part of it's trip on suburban roads, and part of
it's trip on the freeway.  Unfortunately, during rush hour, the bus gets
stuck in traffic just like a car, and then there is no benefit to taking a
bus.  Also the bus stops every few blocks, and so there's more time 
wastage,

not to mention the time you spend standing around waiting for the bus to
come.

What the brainwaves in Washington state fail to understand is that people
will not take the bus to work as long as it gets stuck in traffic.  Only
some type of train system would avoid getting stuck in traffic, and this
state has been happily ripping out an extensive RR track system for the 
last

40 years, turning them into cutesy bike trails for recreation.  We used to
have an extensive train and trolley system in Seattle.  On the old downtown
streets, you can see where the train tracks used to be All over!

Well, HELLO!  We needed those for transportation!  Look at the "Sounder"
train, it's popularity has beensteadily growing, more trains added, people
love it!  It's just a crying shame that so much rail has been ripped
out.

Anyway, it's not an elitist thing, it's an efficiency thing.  It's why I
HATE riding buses.

Lynn in WA
Victoria, '85 300SD 200K

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the explanation.
> Obviously it is similar over here with people living in the burbs and
> driving to the city. However the reason is mostly that it is a better
> place
> to raise kids than the central concrete jungle. That I can understand 
but

> why a single person or childless couple would want to live in the
> outskirts
> and commute everyday is a little beyond me.
> I suppose the reason people don't use public transport is because they
> don't
> want to meet the public.
>
> Hendrik
> in the burbs but not commuting
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
>
>
> > Hendrik,
> >
> > "Bedroom Communities" are located in city suburbs where people live,
> > but only sleep/live.  The work in the city.  Unfortunately, too many
> > of them commute by car and have a distain for public transportation
> > or it is not sufficient to serve all of the suburbs (as is the case
> > here in Phoenix Arizona where employment centers are not centrally
> > located.)  Perhaps the term "bedroom communities" is unique to US.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:28 PM, LT Don wrote:
> >
> >> What I was trying to say -- and not saying it too well -- is that
> >> certain
> >> parts of Dale City are "rough neighborhoods." Crime happens almost
> >> anywhere,
> >> but it is more likely some places than in other places, based on
> >> history.
> >>
> >> On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Yup. I've been past that for a while now. Review to my last post on the 
subject. Thanks.


Brian
83 240D


From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:21:44 -0600

Brian:

It's very easy to remove the lock mechanism IF you can turn the key --
just press the little button on the back and it comes out after you
unbolt everything.  You can then examine it and decided what to do --
it may only need cleaning, may be shot.  Don't wait -- again, you have
to destroy the locking mechanism to get it out if the key won't turn.

Luther:

The tumbler is MUCH cheaper than the parts you ruin getting a stuck one
out.  Buy a new tumbler (yours will come with a new key as well) and
avoid being stuck in a dark parking lot in a bad part of town late at
night!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Brian Chase]

OK Don, did you take your klatta to Albuquerque? What we've noticed is that 
Santa Fe, and to a lesser extent Taos and other NM communities, is the Saab 
Mecca.


Interestingly, Santa Barbara seems to be a 123 Mecca (of course CA is NEW 
model mercedes world), but we noticed a high concentration of 123s in Santa 
Barbara and the area. I think it's the Bio/WVO craze.


brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900


From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:51:53 -0600

We have bike lanes, trails, etc. in Norman, but they are seldom used.
We did see LOTS of cyclists on the roads, trails, lanes, everywhere
while visiting Albuquerque two weeks ago. There were both those
getting exercise and those using them for transporation. Quite
impressive.

On 2/27/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Respectfully, I'd submit that the bike trails can be used for 
transportation

> too. If I can do it in Minnesota year round, a lot of other people could
> too. However, most people wouldn't be caught dead on a bicycle - that's 
for
> kids and losers. I do realize that not everyone has the capability of 
riding

> though, and that's fine. Just had to put in two cents for the virtue of
> trails. We think they enhance a community.

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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Brian Chase]

Yup. You're right. A lot of people can't do it. My wife's with you. As a 
medical professional, she can't really do it either, although I'm sure they 
do have showers available to them. It would take time and hassle though. And 
she'd have to pack her suit in a backpack and get it wrinkled.


Guess I am kind of on the fringe, and see things the way I wish they could 
be, not the way they are. So are you telling me that my coworkers didn't 
appreciate me leaving a puddle on my chair rolling pad thingie? You're nuts.


Maybe, though, folks could consider jumping on the bike in favor of the SUV 
to run to the corner store for some snacks or a video? I can see the 
benefits, but again, I'm on the fringe.


Brian
83 240D
Bits and pieces KHS mountain/commuter


From: ms.300SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:54:44 -0800

Commuting to work on your bike might work out for you, but I am thinking
that you wouldn't want an RN who is all stinky and sweaty from riding to
work taking care of you in the hospital.

And lots of people need to show up for work freshly showered and dressed,
not all sweaty, rumpled and stinky because they rode their bike in to work
that day.

Can you see yourself walking in to Nordstrom's to buy some (whatever) and
some sweaty guy comes up, and says, "May I help you?"  I can't.  Last time 
I

checked, most employers do not have an employee locker room where employees
may shower and change before work.

Sorry, it's just not feasable for most people.

Lynn in WA
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Haven't gotten any response to my post questioning whether the ignition 
locking problem is caused by the tumbler as opposed to the locking mechanism 
in the column, but I must continue to question that. It seems that everyone 
is convinced replacing the tumbler will solve it, but could it not be the 
locking rod? (forgive me if that is the wrong name for the part, but you get 
what I'm referring to). My tumbler is lubed up and works quite nicely, and I 
have removed and replaced it several times (in fact tried to install the new 
one I bought from the dealer, but it wouldn't fit), so I am becoming 
familiar with the whole deal, and it seems that the problem does not lie 
with the tumbler. Enlighten me.


Brian
83 240D


From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:03:47 -0500


On Feb 27, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote:

> Yeah but that costs money, I'll try lubricating (thanks Luther) and
> another
> key before doing the right thing.
> Hang on, bugger it the ashtray is full as well might as well buy
> another
> car:-)
>
> Hendrik
> who had a lead on a cheap 190D 2.5 but it was sold by the time I
> got around
> there and it only had 217k kmhs


Hendrick who always has something clever after his name.

You should really heed this advice, lest you want to be known as
Hendrick who thought he'd try to save some money and is now pulling
his hair out because he has to drill out a hardened lock cylinder.

No joke, the ignition lock is telling you it is going to fail in the
not too distant future. When you can no longer turn the key it will
be impossible to remove the lock cylinder without a lot of effort.
Its not a pretty sight. Many on this list once thought they knew it
all and went about trying to avoid fixing the problem and came up
with all kinds of ideas. None have been successful and many of the
aforementioned folks will bear testimony to their foolishness. 1(800)
741-5252 good place to start or visit your local dealer with VIN to
get one keyed to your car.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Brian Chase]

Gotcha. Cool. This summer my wife bought an old Sears bike for some $150 and 
found out it might be worth like $500. No basket though. Does have the 
"Safety Club" sticker on it. And headlight.


Brian


From: ms.300SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:30:21 -0800

Hey Brian,
You have some good points, however my nearest big hospital does have locker
rooms, just no showers.  I think that the doctors have showers, but the
nurses don't.

There are no SUV's here at this house, but you would be happy to know that 
I

still own my 30 year old Schwinn Suburban, and have been looking for a set
of nice baskets with which to bring groceries home (from my favorite 
grocery

store).  We do have a grocery store within walking distance to the house as
well as a video store, so I do walk to pick up one or two items, or a
video.  The Sounder also passes by a 7 minute walk from my house.  I'd just
love it if I could walk from the house to a station and get on a train.
Hubby would love it if he could commute to work on the train, too.

For the time being, I'll continue to ensconce myself in the luxurious cabin
of my 300SD.

Lynn
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Very good.

But what is the Switch that you refer to? I assume it is the assy. that the 
tumbler seats into (and what the screwdirver, or other, would insert into to 
turn it to start)?


Brian


From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:50 -0800

> Haven't gotten any response to my post questioning whether the
> ignition locking problem is caused by the tumbler as opposed to the
> locking mechanism in the column, but I must continue to question that.

It is _usually_ the tumbler, but it can be the column lock.
I know of no way to really diagnose it except to remove the
tumbler and then start it with a screwdriver (or whatever)
for long enough to determine whether it's still sticky or
not.  What can also work is to remove, disassemble, clean,
and lube the column lock mechanism.  I've done this before,
but you'll forgive me if I no longer remember for which car!

Alternate approaches are just shotgunning parts to see if
it gets better.  There are only three possible candidates:
tumbler, switch, or column lock.

-- Jim


>  It seems that everyone is convinced replacing the tumbler will solve
> it, but could it not be the locking rod? (forgive me if that is the
> wrong name for the part, but you get what I'm referring to). My
> tumbler is lubed up and works quite nicely, and I have removed and
> replaced it several times (in fact tried to install the new one I
> bought from the dealer, but it wouldn't fit), so I am becoming
> familiar with the whole deal, and it seems that the problem does not
> lie with the tumbler. Enlighten me.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
>> From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
>> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:03:47 -0500
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah but that costs money, I'll try lubricating (thanks Luther) and
>> > another
>> > key before doing the right thing.
>> > Hang on, bugger it the ashtray is full as well might as well buy
>> > another
>> > car:-)
>> >
>> > Hendrik
>> > who had a lead on a cheap 190D 2.5 but it was sold by the time I
>> > got around
>> > there and it only had 217k kmhs
>>
>>
>>Hendrick who always has something clever after his name.
>>
>>You should really heed this advice, lest you want to be known as
>> Hendrick who thought he'd try to save some money and is now pulling
>> his hair out because he has to drill out a hardened lock cylinder.
>>
>> No joke, the ignition lock is telling you it is going to fail in the
>> not too distant future. When you can no longer turn the key it will
>> be impossible to remove the lock cylinder without a lot of effort.
>> Its not a pretty sight. Many on this list once thought they knew it
>> all and went about trying to avoid fixing the problem and came up
>> with all kinds of ideas. None have been successful and many of the
>> aforementioned folks will bear testimony to their foolishness. 1(800)
>> 741-5252 good place to start or visit your local dealer with VIN to
>> get one keyed to your car.
>>
>>
>> Johnny B.
>> I Mac Therefore I am
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Since I didn't get any laughs, I wonder if my post describing my recent 
experiences with unsticking my stuck ignition made it through. Maybe the 
post was too long and lost peoples' interest. The funniest thing is that 
it's all true. Any thoughts on filing or drilling out a second notch into 
which one could insert a pin (while in the zero position)? Thus allowing 
removal of tumbler while in zero?


At any rate, thanks for all the info.

So, as someone who had become of the opinion that the problem was probably 
the locking mechanism, not the tumbler, and is now becoming convinced once 
again that it is the tumbler, let me just be sure I understand:


The condition where  -  locking the steering wheel, (by nudging or turning 
it 'til it clicks into lock position) can sometimes cause the key to freeze 
up in the zero position  -  likely is the fault of the tumbler. Even if the 
tumbler operates smoothly when it's removed.


In other words, there is something wrong with the tumbler that causes it to 
freeze up when acted upon by something that is done to the steering wheel 
(making the wheel lock by turning it when key is in zero), and this is not 
the fault of the locking mechanism in the column, or anything else, rather 
it is the tumbler at fault (most likely). Am I correct?


That's not hitting me as intuitive, but the experience of the list wins out. 
Now I just need to figure out why the tumbler I bought from the dealer has a 
different body, and didn't want to fit.


Brian
83 240D


From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:57:21 -0800

> But what is the Switch that you refer to? I assume it is the assy.
> that the tumbler seats into (and what the screwdirver, or other, would
> insert into to turn it to start)?

The tumbler connects to the front of the column lock mechanism,
the switch to the back.  (The switch is what contains the dingus
that prevents multiple start attempts without going back to 0,
so if it's got the moxie it could certainly try to give you
trouble.)

> Rmove the lock before it sticks..
> Take it apart and remove the brass slides "tumblers"..
> Leave the key retainer on..
> Reassemble and reinstall..
> Now only you know that any MB key will work..

That would work, but it is a real PITA to get out the
little pin that holds the tumbler together.  I have
done it, when I re-keyed a tumbler for the Chicken
Wagon.  (Its had been Dremeled to death due to a
lockup incident, but the wafers were still good and
I had another lock in a parts car [Smelly].)  The
ruined pin was replaced with a brad.

I remember now that the column lock I CLA'd was the one
in the Ebola Fishtank.  When its tumbler locked up I was
still able to hotwire the car and drive it home, courtesy
of the fact that the column lock mechanism had frozen up
too.  Scary, knowing that at any time it could let loose
and lock the column on me as I drove, so I went slowly
and tried to avoid bumps!

I eventually got the key to work once more so I removed
the tumbler.  It was filthy, and I cleaned it out and
lubed it and it started working well again.  I bought a
new tumbler anyway, but I think it's still in a bag in
the ashtray.  (Stupid carburetors.  Stupid owner [me].)

I did remove the column lock and got it all slicked up
again.  There's not that much to it, but it can get all
full of crud over time.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Loosing

[Brian Chase]

Yes, the ubiquitous "axed".

What gets me these days is how most people daren't use the word "me" because 
they think it is improper or sounds dumb. Ex: The officer gave directions to 
Joe and I. Listen for it. It also gets me when people don't use the long "e" 
sound when using the word "the" before a vowel. Ex: I swam in "thugh" ocean. 
Worse is when folks won't use the word "an", using instead, "a". Ex: It's 
time for a oil change. Don't believe me? Listen for it. Wish I could ignore 
it. Trust me, I'm not up on my English rules, nor am I very educated. I just 
speak properly.


Yeah, I know the message still gets across, "alls" I'm saying is that it is 
irritating.


Brian
83 240D
Peeves about English, and probably plenty of violations coming from I too


From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Loosing
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:55:56 -0600

No, "Loose" in this instance is an active verb, implying an individual
intent to let something fly.  In the case of oil (or breaks, or break
petals) it is just happening, no intent there.

I have noticed that there is a quite widespread tendency in emails and
'net postings and such to use the spelling "loosing" or "looser" when
one really means "lose" or "loser."  Never the other way around.  And
sometimes it comes out "loosed" when "lost" is meant.  Granted the
English language has all sorts of weird spellings and pronunciations
that do not look like they sound, or sound like they look, but how hard
is it to keep these two words straight?

I always wonder if there is some other action at work here, some sort of
psychological/language/organic brain thing.  Or if it is some cultural
thing like Ebonics (aksed, Eckscalade), in this case a result of
collective "e" activities, call it "eonics" maybe, wherein someone did
this mispelling at one time, it got picked up by someone else, and just
snowballed from there amongst some of the (semi?)digirati.

Not to insult anyone who does this, I really think about this topic in
an academic kind of way.  Any neurolinguisticpsychologists out there
driving old Benzes (not psychos, we know there are plenty of those)?
Comments?

--R

Levi Smith wrote:

>I beg to differ.  From dictionary.com:
>Loosing:
>
>   1. To let fly; discharge: loosed an arrow.
>
>I believe in this situation the oil is being discharged is it not?  I
>believe he is indeed loosing his oil.  Though I would tend to think he 
meant

>to use losing...(:
>
>Levi
>
>
>On 2/28/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Loosing is not a word.  Losing is aword.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

True enough. Maybe I'll fashion a cover for it.

Maybe a lot of things. I'm tiring of this auto presenting me with problems. 
I'm ready to start enjoying it. Anybody have any idea why the new tumbler 
from the dealer looks different and doesn't fit? It is made for this 
specific VIN afterall.


Brian
83 240D


From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:49:28 -0800

> which one could insert a pin (while in the zero position)? Thus
> allowing
> removal of tumbler while in zero?

Thus allowing anybody with a paper clip and a screwdriver
to steal your car!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Yes, the new key does operate the old one. So the thing is keyed correctly. 
The tumbler just wouldn't fit in the hole. I was sitting next to the guy 
that was trying to install it, so I cannot say with absolute certainty that 
it won't fit. I will try it again.


Brian
83 240D


From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:21:56 -0600

Brian:

Well, it is 23 years old, after all

The tumbler should be identical -- does the new key operate the old one?

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD

[Brian Chase]

Question: Is the auto tranny an issue in the Coupes specifically? (not sure 
why it'd be peculiar to the Coupe, - just asking). Or is this common in a 
lot of auto tranny 300Ds?


The 300 CD we looked at in AZ had shifting issues too. He said it was 
"slipping, but the dealer fixed it." Later, he neglected to mention the 
dealer part.


When we rode in it, it shifted very hard, seemed it wanted to chirp the 
tires. I did notice, though, that it was something like a pint - a quart low 
on ATF. But he said it had had shifting issues for some time.


Brian
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

[Brian Chase]

I'm sure this has been covered before, so bear with me, but does anyone 
think that diesel will go back to being cheaper than gas? Or are we doomed 
to pay more from now on? Has there been some special tax applied to diesel? 
Why is it so much more now?


Brian
83 240D


From: "Anthony Galioto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Prices
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:58:40 -0500

The attached web site will give the lowest fuel (gas & diesel) prices by 
zip

code.  It may be helpful to you.

-- http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=&src=Netx


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

[Brian Chase]

That's maybe encouraging. Wonder if the US follows Canada's trends?

Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:43:01 -0600

Don't know whats happening in the USA but recently the prices of diesel and
regular gas have been about the same here in Winnipeg. Was not the case for
quite a while.

Randy B

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I'm sure this has been covered before, so bear with me, but does anyone
think that diesel will go back to being cheaper than gas? Or are we doomed
to pay more from now on? Has there been some special tax applied to diesel?
Why is it so much more now?

Brian
83 240D

>From: "Anthony Galioto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Prices
>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:58:40 -0500
>
>The attached web site will give the lowest fuel (gas & diesel) prices by
>zip
>code.  It may be helpful to you.
>
>-- http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=&src=Netx
>
>
>Anthony
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Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD

[Brian Chase]

I figured it was the same tranny.

So I guess the question becomes: Are the auto trannies in Mercedes diesels 
(particularly early - mid-eighties) often a problem? Do they not live up to 
the legendary longevity of the engines? I'm glad that I have a manual 
tranny, but the wife is enamored with the Coupes since we checked that one 
out.


Brian
83 240D


From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:27:33 -0500


On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

> Question: Is the auto tranny an issue in the Coupes specifically?
> (not sure
> why it'd be peculiar to the Coupe, - just asking). Or is this
> common in a
> lot of auto tranny 300Ds?
>

Same tranny.

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Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD

[Brian Chase]

Good info. I'd wondered about the auto trannies in these autos. Didn't know 
if they were good or bad or somewhere inbetween. This is the main reason I 
love the peace of mind of a standard. My 727 Torqueflite auto, though, is 
known in the biz as "bulletproof". Why am I getting rid of that car again?


The seller of the CD we test drove claimed it was a Borg Warner transmission 
and tough as nails. But he said a lot of stuff - he is a jewelry and fine 
metals salesman. Well, he could be a great guy, I'm just saying he's a 
salesman, so he was giving quite a pitch.


Brian
83 240D
68 Dodge Coronet 500


From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:31:45 -0800

> When we rode in it, it shifted very hard, seemed it wanted to chirp the
> tires. I did notice, though, that it was something like a pint - a
> quart low
> on ATF. But he said it had had shifting issues for some time.

It was probably flaring and they disconnected the vacuum line altogether
resulting in its hardest shifting.  (Which is none too hard in the
Chicken
Wagon where we've also done this.)

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

[Brian Chase]

Thanks.

If PA taxes higher than some, I wonder what MD taxes. When I lived in 
Northern MD (about 1 mile from the PA border) we noticed a marked difference 
in the quality of the roads once we would cross over into PA (the roads were 
in worse condition in PA). I was told that this was because MD charged 
higher taxes and applied them partly to the roads. Also, isn't it easier to 
register a car in PA? Do they require inspections?


Brian
83 240D

Dr. Booth wrote

Fed tax on gasoline seems to currently be $0.184 and on diesel $0.244 a
gallon. State by state tax rates here:
http://api-ec.api.org/filelibrary/mft070105.pdf

In PA where I buy MOST of my fuel, gas is taxed at $0.323 and diesel at
$0.392 in addition to the Fed tax so I pay 63.6 cents in federal and
state tax for every gallon of diesel I buy.

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

[Brian Chase]

Yes, to me, that is the most basic concept at work here. I was saying that 
the other day. Why on earth would they lower the prices once it has been 
well-established that we will continue to buy just as much at the higher 
prices?


I liken it to cigarettes. It's hard to believe what they're getting for a 
pack these days, but folks just keep on buyin and puffin. (just an example - 
don't fillet me)


Brian
83 240D

Luther ( I think) ? Wrote:

If you had a product to sell, and you knew the top dollar that it would 
fetch
that wouldn't diminish the volume of sales, wouldn't you push the price to 
the

top dollar???

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[MBZ] Auto Tranny Life (was I found an 82 300CD)

[Brian Chase]

It's good to get an actual number on this subject (c. 140k). Don't worry, I 
won't quote you, but does anyone else concur with this vital bit of 
information regarding Auto Tranny life?


Brian
83 240D


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:53:55 -0500

We're spoiled because the 1980s (not including the bulletproof 1985 models)
AT in 300 turbodiesels ONLY last about 140,000 miles.  I'm on my third AT
(274K miles) in a 1983 300TD but it I am not complaining because the car is
such a joy to drive.

On 3/2/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ernest breakfield wrote:
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>
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> the year.  Not worth the cost, especially when it's just going to die
> again of disuse.
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[MBZ] Unique odometer reading

[Brian Chase]

Actually the picture will probably be stripped, won't it?

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Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading

[Brian Chase]

Thanks, Craig. Actually I did attatch the picture, but it was automatically 
put on hold by kalebministrator's system because the picture size was too 
big. He must be out hunting for parts, so I'll make a smaller version and 
retry.


Brian


From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:59:13 -0700

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 10:45:55 -0700 "Brian Chase"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually the picture will probably be stripped, won't it?

When you attach a picture on this list, it isn't sent to everyone on the
list, but there is a link added that allows others to download it if they
want.

So, go ahead and attach the picture.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] unique odometer reading

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Allright, LT Don, I've been out driving around for over a month since you 
posted your odometer picture, just so I could match ya. And my picture 
quality is better. And I live in MN, not IA. So there.

Brian
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>From: LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] unique odometer reading
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:12:56 +
>
>I wish, in retrospect, that I'd reset the trip odometer to show 123456 up
>top and 1234 down below. But alas, I didn't have that much foresight.
>
>On 1/21/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:32:29 -0600 LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > My odometer "turned" this today while I was driving west to a meeting.
> > > Having taken the digital camera with me in anticipation of this
> > > turn-of-events, just had to pull onto the shoulder of the highway and
> > > snap a photo.
> > >
> > > But ... the odometer reading is not really true, since a new one was 
>put
> > > in by 240D's previous owner at ~88,000 miles.
> >
> > Nevertheless, it's very interesting.
> >
> > I guess my recent 224466 comes in a distant second. (I took a picture, 
>but
> > I won't bother to post it.)
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] unique odometer reading

[Brian Chase]

Allright, LT Don, I've been out driving around for over a month nonstop 
since you posted your odometer picture, just so I could match ya. And my 
picture quality is better. And I live in MN, not IA. So there.

Brian
83 240D
ready to get out of the car

>From: LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] unique odometer reading
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:12:56 +
>
>I wish, in retrospect, that I'd reset the trip odometer to show 123456 up
>top and 1234 down below. But alas, I didn't have that much foresight.
>
>On 1/21/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:32:29 -0600 LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > My odometer "turned" this today while I was driving west to a meeting.
> > > Having taken the digital camera with me in anticipation of this
> > > turn-of-events, just had to pull onto the shoulder of the highway and
> > > snap a photo.
> > >
> > > But ... the odometer reading is not really true, since a new one was 
>put
> > > in by 240D's previous owner at ~88,000 miles.
> >
> > Nevertheless, it's very interesting.
> >
> > I guess my recent 224466 comes in a distant second. (I took a picture, 
>but
> > I won't bother to post it.)
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading

[Brian Chase]

Cool.

Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 17:42:11 -0600

No, I as at work, I just got home, reading mail, then getting ready to
head out and work some more.

Brian Chase wrote:

> Thanks, Craig. Actually I did attatch the picture, but it was 
automatically
> put on hold by kalebministrator's system because the picture size was 
too
> big. He must be out hunting for parts, so I'll make a smaller version 
and

> retry.
>
> Brian
>
>
>>From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading
>>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:59:13 -0700
>>
>>On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 10:45:55 -0700 "Brian Chase"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Actually the picture will probably be stripped, won't it?
>>
>>When you attach a picture on this list, it isn't sent to everyone on the
>>list, but there is a link added that allows others to download it if 
they

>>want.
>>
>>So, go ahead and attach the picture.
>>
>>
>>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] MELT?

[Brian Chase]

Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW 
forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. V8. 
They would take some heat, wouldn't they?


Brian


From: Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT?
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:03:30 -0500

I don't know about alloys, but I think the melting point will be much
higher i.e. Al pistons. Al is good transfer of heat/cold
Land Rover have Al body but the engine firewall is made out of steel
to protect from fire ...

Next time in a junk yard, look at the melted/deformed Al parts of a
car in a fire..of course, water cools the heads and others, but a
car fire, nothing to cool the part, will melt/deform under the high heat


Bill
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David Brodbeck wrote:
> Bill Gallagher wrote:
>
>> Al has a melting point of about 1220F ..
>>
>
> Isn't the melting point of some alloys higher?
>
> There are certainly a lot of engines, both diesel and gasoline, running
> around with aluminum heads that haven't melted down.
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Re: [MBZ] MELT?

[Brian Chase]

You have partially revealed my ignorance. Easy to do.

Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT?
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:48:13 -0600

Although I'm sure that they exist, I've never seen a piston that
wasn't aluminum ---

On 3/4/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW
> forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. 
V8.

> They would take some heat, wouldn't they?
>
> Brian
>


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[MBZ] Switching to gmail for MB list

[Brian Chase]

Since I'm sitting around this Saturday night, I'm going to ask a question 
I've been wondering about:


I have a gmail account and I think I might like to switch my Mercedes list 
to it and away from this hotmail account. Acting as catalyst is the fact 
that my other hotmail account, which I have been using to store info. 
pertinent to me that I copy from this list, has been wiped out. All the info 
I've been collecting for future use is gone. I've been reminded that hotmail 
accounts go away if not opened once every 30 days. So I'd like to migrate 
away from them.


I suppose it's self-explanatory, but would I just unsubscribe with this 
address and subscribe anew with the gmail address? As dopey as I am with 
technical computer stuff, I don't want to screw anything up.


Brian

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Re: [MBZ] unique odometer reading

[Brian Chase]

To answer Craig's question: I admit I had a helper to take the photo. We 
were anticipating the shot for a hundred miles or two as we trekked across 
the states. The wife even took some preliminary shots. (distracted her from 
the pot-shots she usually takes). I was prepared to pull off onto the 
shoulder in case I couldn't get 'er over 75 in order to get the needle out 
of the way.


This should answer JB's question regarding the model we're talking about.

It is quite interesting, though to become aware of those little dots that 
indicate the shift points. You can tell how little time I've had this auto.


Brian


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] unique odometer reading
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:49:22 -0500


On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

>
>> Allright, LT Don, I've been out driving around for over a month since
>> you  posted your odometer picture, just so I could match ya. And my
>> picture  quality is better. And I live in MN, not IA. So there.
>
>> http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/
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>
> And taken while driving, too! Did you have help?
>
>
> Craig


So, Who's odometer picture is this? What car, engine and transmission?

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[MBZ] Tightness

[Brian Chase]

Allright, now it's getting late, I've walked the dogs, the wife is out of 
town, and I've had a few beers. So I have the courage to ask:


I notice many listers speak of how tight and great the 124s handle. Can I 
just say that driving my 123 is like piloting a pontoon compared to driving 
my 84 Saab? I know, I know they're designed for somewhat different purposes, 
but still, the very loose steering bugs the crap out of me. Jumping in the 
900 after driving the 240 for so long resulted in over revving and over 
steering. I understand the steering gear can be tightened some via an 
adjusting nut? But adjust it too far and risk steering box damage?


I'm betting that my Saab handles about as well as the 124s. NOT trying to be 
confrontational, I love my 240 dearly.


Brian
83 240D
Hate to say it, the Saab may get better mileage too

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Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Brian Chase]

The seller wrote:

Inside, the car feels fresh and inviting.

and pulls hills easily with passengers aboard. The transmission shifts 
properly, and downshifts with a dab of your toe for accelerating past slower 
vehicles (!).


Holy cats, this guy is, how you say, on crack. The thing "pulls hills"? With 
70 gallons of fuel and with passengers and an automatic? Did he fail to 
mention the twin turbo chargers?


This guy could sell sand to Tucsonans. He even feathered the photo edges in 
Photoshop.


I'm trying to figure what makes this car worth a few times more than mine.

Good to see what your car looks like, Jim.

Brian
83 240D


From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:16:25 -0800

Here is my car, right down to the auxiliary fuel tank.
Mine looks the same, but it measures out more like 20
gallons not the 50 this guy claims.  Except, of course,
this car is a couple of years newer with a lot less
miles, and in generally excellent condition.

Unlike mine.

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-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Brian Chase]

But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside: 
One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to 
investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had 
any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old 
one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the 
range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be 
getting into true "classic" status and thus would be even further out of 
range.


So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally 
speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has 
problems?


I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of price 
(and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them 
up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that 
if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for certain 
- at several repairs.


I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months or 
longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a 
Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). What 
should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever 
specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one 
of these autos?


All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is 
one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it 
and look forward to a happy life with it.


Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's "nothing" trick 
just now.


Brian 83 240D

Marshall wrote:

One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth
$2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than
75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that.

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Re: [MBZ] Turn Signals Out

[Brian Chase]

Yes! That seems a very reasonable solution! What gets me is that in my Saab, 
the ignition is down there. Yeah it's nice to be different, but the junk 
that can fall into there... The kicker is that my dealer-installed sunroof 
drips slightly and guess where it drips down into?


Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900


Skins like those used to protect keyboards would be a handy item in
such a situation. Duct taping saran wrap over them would serve the
same purpose, especially if wood-grained tape can be had.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Absurd price for a 240D!

[Brian Chase]

Gentlemen and Ladies, you are looking at my 240D (if it had a fresh paint 
job). It's a trip to look at these pics - it's the same color inside & out 
as mine. Only difference is mine has the sunroof. I'm easily entertained.


Brian
83 240D

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Granted the car has only 10777 miles, but $22,100


could buy a VERY nice



newer car!


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[MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star

[Brian Chase]

Listers,

The wheels of action are finally grinding to a start in the resurrection of 
my 83 240D. I'm planning on purchasing a used engine tomorrow from Tri-Star 
in PHX. My auto is at the shop in Tucson, and awaiting shipment of the 
engine.


Question: How can one really know that the proclaimed mileage on a used 
engine like this is anywhere near accurate? It would be in the best interest 
of the crooked parts outfit to claim to be selling a nice low-mileage 
engine, yet actually to deliver their highest-mileage engine. They are 
claiming to be selling me their lowest mileage 240 engine, but as I said, it 
would take some genuine honesty not to pull a bait & switch.


I know there's probably no answer to this question, but what have you all 
found in your experience? Bear in mind that I am no where near this outfit 
geographically and thus cannot do any physical investigation.


Brian
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star VIN no.

[Brian Chase]

Thanks to all for the input.

I did obtain the VIN of the '82 240D that the engine is currently sitting 
in.

It's: WDBAB23AXCB314258

If anyone would run a CarFax on it, that'd be great.



From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:35:27 -0500


snip


You might also ask Tri-Star for the engine #  and if possible, the VIN of
the car it was removed from.  With the VIN a Carfax *might* tell you
something about the condition of the engine, or it might not.  If you get
the engine # *and* the VIN you should be able to determine if that engine
actually came out of that VIN.  It might not be possible to tell if that
*exact* engine came from the VIN they provided but MBNA *might* have some
info to help correlate the 2 numbers together.   But gathering more info is
never a bad thing.  There's also a possibility Tri-Star will tell you that
info is not available.  If nothing else, Tri-Star will see you're not going
into this blindly.


snip


> Listers,
>
> The wheels of action are finally grinding to a start in the resurrection
> of
> my 83 240D. I'm planning on purchasing a used engine tomorrow from
> Tri-Star
> in PHX. My auto is at the shop in Tucson, and awaiting shipment of the
> engine.
>
> Question: How can one really know that the proclaimed mileage on a used
> engine like this is anywhere near accurate? It would be in the best
> interest
> of the crooked parts outfit to claim to be selling a nice low-mileage
> engine, yet actually to deliver their highest-mileage engine. They are
> claiming to be selling me their lowest mileage 240 engine, but as I 
said,

> it
> would take some genuine honesty not to pull a bait & switch.
>
> I know there's probably no answer to this question, but what have you 
all
> found in your experience? Bear in mind that I am no where near this 
outfit

> geographically and thus cannot do any physical investigation.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star VIN no.

[Brian Chase]

Thanks for running, guys. So the issue to be concerned about is the mileage 
reports I suppose. This report says some 10,5xxx miles. Tri Star says 
105,xxx miles. Sounds like Tri Star doesn't know the mileage on that car at 
all, and is just claiming it to be 105k.


Brian



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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:54:41 -0500

Brian writes:


>
> Thanks to all for the input.
>
> I did obtain the VIN of the '82 240D that the engine is
> currently sitting in.
> It's: WDBAB23AXCB314258
>
> If anyone would run a CarFax on it, that'd be great.
>


I'd be a bit concerned...




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Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star

[Brian Chase]

Thanks. Yeah, I've heard good things about them. I was surprised at how 
unintelligent the guy sounded in my first couple of phone calls. And yes, he 
was not overly friendly. But as we got into the thick of things, he came 
around a bit. Their website sure is pretty.


I did end up ordering that supposed 105k engine. I got him to tell me that 
he'd provide me with the compression numbers as soon as they tested it. And 
he'd provide me the engine number. And he said, at my request, that he will 
throw in the stop linkage (part of which I'm missing).


He also said that if the compression doesn't check out with my mechanic in 
Tucson that he'd accept the engine back in exchange for another one (which 
would be a lower cost engine since the one I'm getting is their 
lowest-mileage specimen).


So now it's just time to hope and pray for the best.

Hey Bob, you, Chuck and Me and my wife should meet up somewhere for coffee 
or a bite to eat. We will be in AZ (where I and my family are from) from 
February 18 to 22 or so.


Brian
83 240D


From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:44:02 -0700

I'm about 30 minutes away from Tri-Star and I've gotten all kinds of stuff
from them over the years (but remember...the origional sold out when they
had to change locations) and I've never been rooked. I've never purchased
anything as costly as an engine, however. I did buy an auto tranny for a 
'68
250SE and put 'er in and it was great. The guys that work there now are 
less

friendly than the dudes that used to be there.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 146K
Litchfield Park, AZ

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star


> Listers,
>
> The wheels of action are finally grinding to a start in the resurrection
> of
> my 83 240D. I'm planning on purchasing a used engine tomorrow from
> Tri-Star
> in PHX. My auto is at the shop in Tucson, and awaiting shipment of the
> engine.
>
> Question: How can one really know that the proclaimed mileage on a used
> engine like this is anywhere near accurate? It would be in the best
> interest
> of the crooked parts outfit to claim to be selling a nice low-mileage
> engine, yet actually to deliver their highest-mileage engine. They are
> claiming to be selling me their lowest mileage 240 engine, but as I 
said,

> it
> would take some genuine honesty not to pull a bait & switch.
>
> I know there's probably no answer to this question, but what have you 
all
> found in your experience? Bear in mind that I am no where near this 
outfit

> geographically and thus cannot do any physical investigation.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star VIN no.

[Brian Chase]

Mitch,

Maybe that's what's throwing me off. I have been driving my 900 around 
exclusively so much that I forgot that most older cars (like my '68 Dodge 
for example) have only a five digit odo. Nice to hear that a fellow Dieseler 
also owns Saabs. What kind'ya got? I was very pleased to recently achieve 
34.9 MPG highway in my 84 900 notchback.


Oh yeah, as to the odo issue: Yes, it is quite coincidental that I would 
find the similar figures - 10,504 and 105,xxx. It does make me think that 
someone has slipped a decimal. The guy at Tri-Star claims that 105,xxx is on 
the odo.


Brian
83 240D
and yes, a Saab



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Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:31:14 -0500

Brian Chase wrote:
>
> Thanks for running, guys. So the issue to be concerned about is the 
mileage

> reports I suppose. This report says some 10,5xxx miles. Tri Star says
> 105,xxx miles. Sounds like Tri Star doesn't know the mileage on that car 
at

> all, and is just claiming it to be 105k.

Or somebody entered it wrong in a computer as 1/10th of indicated, and 
Tri-Star

has it right. Most Americans would assume a 1979 car has a five digit odo.
The only 70's cars I can recall with six digits are my Saabs and my 300SD.


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Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star VIN no.

[Brian Chase]

Yeah, it does show a junk title approximately at the time that TriStar 
claims to have gotten it into stock. Strangely, it shows registration in Las 
Vegas, but TriStar claims it had an AZ title when they got it. I suspect 
there was something fishy going on with that title. But I'm not to adept at 
all this.


Brian
83 240D



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Used Engines from Tri-Star VIN no.
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:31:34 +1030

Looks to be a import as well. You might want to get back to tri star and 
ask
them about the mileage. Does carfax make mistakes like missing out a zero 
on
the end. I would not believe that the 240D has only done 10Kmiles, even 
105k

miles is a bit low for an 82.
On the other hand it checks out as being wrecked in the middle of 05.

Hendrik

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> Thanks for running, guys. So the issue to be concerned about is the
> mileage
> reports I suppose. This report says some 10,5xxx miles. Tri Star says
> 105,xxx miles. Sounds like Tri Star doesn't know the mileage on that car
> at
> all, and is just claiming it to be 105k.
>
> Brian
>
>
BIG SNIP>>>>>>>>>

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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go

[Brian Chase]

Tom, You're speaking my language. And LT Don, I know what you mean with the 
drivers nearly hitting ya due to their 
innatention/impatience/self-importance. I drive a standard shift, and most 
people are just not expecting that shift to come, and their headlights 
disappear behind my trunk. I know one day I'm going to get bumped and you 
better believe I will prosecute. Brain-dead behavior like that deserves 
punishment.


While I haven't yet gotten to drive my 240D more than a few hundred miles 
(but will soon - the engine swap should be done next week), I know too well 
about this phenomenon simply because I choose to drive in what I consider a 
reasonable manner. I don't see the need to stand on the accelerator by 
default. Intead, I relinquish a few (often zero) seconds of my day in favor 
of saving fuel, wear and tear on the vehicle, and generally not behaving 
like a gibbon behind the wheel.


It's funny to see people passing me with white-hot fury only to turn off in 
a few blocks. They have saved anywhere from 5 - 15 seconds and have shit on 
their fellow man in the process. Driving does funny things to people indeed.


I agree with Tom. Let 'em suffer. If someone tailgates or otherwise 
intentionally disrespects me I will go out of my way to inconvenience them 
more. Conversely, if they show common courtesy and
intelligence behind the wheel, I will actually spend some of my fuel to make 
their day a bit nicer.


Brian
83 240D (fast enough)
84 Saab 900 (more than fast enough)
68 Dodge Coronet 500 (helps me speak softly)


From: "Tom Scordato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ]  240 vs SD Go
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:10:39 -0500

"With the 240D,
I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick
enough accelerating."

I say the rat bastards with there rock climbers will just have to weight 
and

slow down.  As slow as your (and my) 240D is it is still much faster than
walking or taking the horse and buggy.  People should be thankful of that
fact.  I thought the rural folk in Iowa would not be so yuppified as to
realize that?  I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass
when entering a highway  on ramp though just as an act of kindness.  Other
than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds.  It does not hurt that
much compared to the real problems in the world, like not having food.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D slow
79 240D slower

















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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:50 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go


> LT Don wrote:
>
> The '77 240D held a steady 85 mph coming back from OkieQ and saw 90 mph 
--

> but it took a while to get there. ... I find that my greatest driving
> hazard
> here in rural Iowa is being too slow pulling away from a stop sign at a
> four
> way stop. Other drivers are used to timing their own acceleration based 
on

> how quickly a gasser (especially a V8 pickup) pulls away. With the 240D,
> I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't 
quick

> enough accelerating.
>
> Might be time for that S-Class.
> ---
> Oh, I think so, Don. Compared to a 240, an SD feels like a
> small-block 8 off the line. A few grains of sand or bit of dew on the
> pavement and you get wheelspin, and a bit more when it hits 2nd. Hold
> it in second and you can actually power drift tight corners with
> nicely controllable throttle-induced oversteer. And I'll bet
> high-speed mileage is no worse, perhaps better. Plus, at 85, you've
> still got 17 more to go for top speed, and still feels quite willing.
> Shudda bought my 300SD for $2,500 before I decided I couldn't live
> without it and kept it! :-)
>
> Dan
> --
> Dan Weeks
> 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k
> 82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k
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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

You're not the only one in the rant-zone. That's what delete is for - for 
those irritated by it. I think it's a very relevant topic. We spend a large 
part of our lives on the road. And I for one have a very hard time ignoring 
piss-poor behavior when I see it. I wish I could ignore it.


It used to be, in my mind at least, that truckers and motorcycle riders are 
the best-trained, most ethical drivers on the road (save cyclists who are 
into speed, or otherwise hot-doggin'). I know I became obsessed with safe 
driving when I started riding. Many of us know of the unwritten rules of the 
road which are based on respect for your fellow driver. But I have witnessed 
more instances of truckers trying to intimidate with their size - 
tailgating, you name it. This primal behavior is bereft of any actual 
thought. What would the end result of this intimidation be if carried to 
fruition? Again, this is not thought through. I think the addition of a 
little thinking (yes, I said it) to the act of driving would save tons of 
problems (not to mention energy).


While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks to get 
thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on the road and 
a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. You pretty much are 
forced to come to a crawl, and if it goes on for enough consecutive seconds, 
you are essentially forced to stop. Of course stopping is a stupid thing to 
do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind you 
will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution here. And 
yes, I too hate it when I'm doing about as fast as icy or shushy conditions 
allow, and a semi blows by because they are more stable. Again, can I say 
they're specifically doing anything wrong? Not sure. I am sure that poor 
driving habits, driven by selfishness and laziness, is the foundation of 
most of the problems on the road.


Brian


From: "Tom Scordato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:06:02 -0500

Bill R said
"almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever 
got"



Spout off time...The trucking industry is out of control.  The worse the
weather the faster they go.  Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to San
Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA  now due to accidents  which involve
trucks.  Basically a free for all.  I read US traffic from trucks has
increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of these
garage haulers.  Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a
day, 6 to 7 days a week (PA has become the dump for NY and NJ, basically a
milk run no wonder they are maniacs, familiarity breeds contempt) and they
drive those things like Porsches.  Big difference in rig weighing 
100,000lbs
doing 80 mph and my 240D at less than two tons doing 70 mph.  Something 
will

need to be done about this nightmare...satellite tracking of each truck to
measure/report speed is one answer, but how do you  do you handle the three
inches from your but stuff?  Maybe separate roads?  Only one good trucking
outfit which drives correctly that I see, JB Hunt and they have become the
brunt of all the other truckers jokes.  I guess the other folks think they
are wimpy because they drive safe.  Unless a highway merge is taking place,
they should all just stay in the right lane, trains could not pass, why do
they think they should.  (truck doing 25 mph passing the one doing 15 mph 
up

a steep incline/two lane interstate f) We need a good diesel sky
car...do a search on the Mollier sky car, it may be sooner than we think!
Sorry fo spouting off

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D
79 240D



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From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go


> Amen to the story.  One of my most memorable was several years ago when 
I
> had a thrice weekly trip from Western Indiana into Indianapolis.  After 
a

> bad snow/ice storm when the interstate was just reopened and still very
> icy,
> I was doing about 40 mph - probably faster than I should have, and was
> almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever 
got
> on that road.  10 miles later I saw this very innocent faced driver 
trying
> to explain to a trooper how his rig had ended up with the front end on 
one
> guard rail and the other end on the opposite one when he couldn't stay 
on
> the road for an exit ramp.  I felt like stopping and adding my version 
of

> how it might have happened.  Didn't though.  Probably should have.
> BillR
> Jacksonville  FL
> 1981 300SD  EM  270072 miles
>
>
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> On Behalf Of Tom Scordato
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Re: [MBZ] Billion and billions of emails

[Brian Chase]

Good to get this info. Kaleb, are you saying that soon this list will go 
away, and we will have to resubscribe, sort of like what happened some time 
ago when we moved away from Mercedes.org (approximate name)?


Just asking, as I don't want to miss out - the list is entertaining and 
often useful.


Brian
83 240D (the day is drawing near)



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Billion and billions of emails
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:16:07 -0600

Might want to save that, as soon as I switch to the new domain the same
situation will apply again.

Ed Booher wrote:

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>>I feel like Carl Sagen in cyber land. Why am I getting a billion and
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or two
>>emails with about twenty letters in each. Is this some sort of protest 
by the  web
>>server to get rid of people on the list? List Mom would never stand for  
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>>May she rest in peace. There were 996 emails in my mailbox today. I 
would

>>say 97% were from the Mercedes Club.
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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

I certainly don't want to get into a battle between truckers and non 
truckers. I just rant on certain topics that push my buttons, and peoples' 
driving behavior is one of the biggest.


I knew we would have a healthy trucker contingent among the dieselers. God 
love 'em. In fact my very mother drives a city bus for a living, and one of 
the things she says is that nobody wants to get behind a bus, so all sorts 
of people dash out in front of her. I also see people engaging in similar 
behavior with semis. I know if I drove one for a living, I'd be absolutely 
steaming each of the 10 times that happened to me per day.


I just have a strong aversion to the sort of primal behavior that says "I'm 
bigger than you, so you'd better move." By no means is this limited to 
semis. The smaller your vehicle, the less respect you get. It's subconscious 
and automatic. It also applies to conflicts between bicycles and even the 
smallest compact.


Yes, it is smart to move out of the way of trouble, but it's pitiful to see 
the effect that different vehicles have on people. When I see some dude all 
amped-up on the sense of power that his gnarly full-size 4x4 gives him, I 
just think you know, eventually you, just like me, have to step out of your 
vehicle and plant your feet on the ground. And if someone like that gets 
aggressive with me on the roadway, I often invite them personally to do just 
that. If you can prove you're tough face to face and empty-handed, then 
you'll get my respect.


Also interesting, and enjoyable, is the range of personalities on this list. 
Some of us have run off with this thread in the direction of driving 
behaviors and the basal human causes behind them (actually that last part 
has just been me), and some have cheerfully gone on about which chassis 
types are quicker. This is why it's so fun to look at this stuff when I 
should be working.


Brian
83 240D


From: "Tom Scordato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ]  240 vs SD Go Trucks
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:51:38 -0500

Phil thanks for your view a few rebuttals and I am going to quite on this
one.



"For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total"



I have driven 40,000 to 70,000 miles a year in a car since 1984.  That puts
me close to a million miles too, much of it with trucks at my side or
breathing down my back.


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Re: [MBZ] Shipping a car

[Brian Chase]

Tom, you drove from AZ to PA in about 2 1/2 days? That sounds like 
straight-through driving with no sleep stops. But you say you paid for 
hotels. How did you do this?


I have driven with a buddy from AZ to MN in about 48 hours, but this was 
with sleeping in rest stops. I have also driven from MN to Northern MD (I 
lived about one mile from the PA border for a while). It seemed to be 
somewhat near the time investment as the previosly mentioned tirp.


At any rate, just curious. In fact, my wife and I plan to fly to AZ and pick 
up our 240D and drive 'er back to MN. Many of you may be privy to my saga. 
Yes, we are buying a one-way ticket this time once again. Taking a risk to 
save that money. As long as the new (used) engine is good and the mechanic 
does us right, we will have quite an enjoyable little road trip. I know that 
transporting a vehicle this distance runs about $1,000. I don't think we'll 
save much doing the drive, but we want to visit family out there anyway.


Brian
83 240D


From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shipping a car
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:10:30 -0600

you should be able to get a cheap flight to FL.

Tom Scordato wrote:

> IF IT IS DRIVEABLE one thought might be to Buy the car, get a cheap 
flight

> out and drive it back
> 1.  gets the bugs out
> 2.  eliminate possible horrors I have read about visa via trucking 
outfits

> and cars.
> 3. can see it before the last payment is made
>
> I did this this fall Phoenix to Bellefonte PA. 1979 240D 2400 miles or 
so.
> Took me two and 1/2 days or so and it was a pleasure.  Ended up being 
about
> less than half the cost to ship if you include cheap hotel stays, food, 
gas

> and plane ride.
>
> Regards
> Tom Scordato
> Bellefonte PA
> 77 300D
> 79 240D
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:15 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Shipping a car
>
>
>
>>Could anyone who has had experience buying a car from out of state and
>>shipping it offer me any advice about the process.  I am looking for
>>suggestions about shipping companies, ways to make payment easier,
>>timing for the transaction, insurance, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Donald H. Snook
>>
>>McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
>>
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>>Tel. (316) 263-5851
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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

Yes! I feel ya. A very similar scenario happened to me in Tucson a few years 
ago. Only with me, we were stopped at a light. I was directly to the bus's 
right (you know, where the driver can look out that big glass door and see 
you). The light turned, we started. I forget at the moment who crossed the 
intersection first, but shortly thereafter there was a bus stop. He pulled 
on over and I was forced to brake hard to avoid getting wedged.


When I confronted him, he revealed that he DID see me, but that he thought 
he should have right of way (at least this is what I got out of his broken 
English - he said "No - I was there!!").


Not without sympathy for drivers, I turned the guy (who refused to give me 
his name) in. I'm not out to get people in trouble, but I just couldn't see 
that driver's atrocious judgement going unchecked.


Just to present the drivers' side: I have heard, and understand, complaints 
regarding bicylces being too far out in the roadway. We don't have the right 
to do that - we are required to stay as far right as we can. Also 
frustrating to drivers is passing a bicycle, only to have it pass you as you 
have to stop. This gets repeated several times.


Diesel content: At the time of my incident, my current 240D was living in 
that town, I just didn't know it yet. Or that I wanted one, since in that 
weather, one is able to commute on the bike year-round (how I long for those 
days).


Brian

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