[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-21 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, There is a lot of news to pass on to you today, including an important announcement regarding the leadership of the new company and updates on motions filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court. First, however, I would like to share some thoughts about the reorganization of our dealer

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2009-05-21 Thread Rich Thomas
That part where he addresses the jettisoned dealers who operated in good faith, invested loads of money, and who are left holding inventory, facilities, staff, and customer commitments must have been cut out of my copy. And how the union gets their (large) piece of the pie. And how the

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2009-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote: BTW, if you can bribe someone in a poor country for protection then someone else can pay him $20.00 more than you are offering to turn against you. That was my thought when some friends were telling me how cheap Honduran property was. But you have to hire round the clock

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2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his job in California

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2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
I wish I was in Tijuana eating barbecued iguana. --R tyler wrote: I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that currently lives

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2009-05-07 Thread Tom Hargrave
-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time doing it an never had problems all over

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2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when traveling. White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, since a sizable percentage of native mexican people have fairly light skin, and some even blond hair and blue eyes. What makes you stand out is dressing and acting

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2009-05-07 Thread Loren Faeth
Agreed, but I am still not going. 30 years ago, I would have gone, but things were different then. I don't speak like a native. In Italy, (or anywhere else) we always try to blend in and look and act like the locals. That includes eating what the locals eat. In Italy, we rode all over on

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2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
You're all gabachos. --R tyler wrote: I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when traveling. White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, since a sizable percentage of native mexican people have fairly light skin, and some even blond hair and blue eyes. What

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2009-05-07 Thread LWB250
worked up. I found some really great property in LA CHEAP! (me) Oh, yeah? Where is it exactly? Someplace called Compton. I held my tongue. Dan --- On Thu, 5/7/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler To: Mercedes

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2009-05-07 Thread Hendrik Fay
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,623423,00.html#ref=nlint Guess Roger will be able to get all his Porsche parts from the local VW dealer in the future. Perhaps we'll see a 'new' beetle with a hot Porsche engine? Hot rod transporter? Hendrik

[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, The U.S. Bankruptcy Court approved a process for the expeditious sale of substantially all of Chrysler LLC’s assets. This is a major step forward as it sets out a swift, clear path to achieve our goal of concluding our alliance with Fiat S.p.A. and create a new company that will

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2009-05-06 Thread Loren Faeth
If Fiat had any brains, they'd shut down the plants (oops they are already shut down) buy up the chrypsler assets (oops, that is the plan) and hire new employees, sans the gummit, and sans gett le finger. (Now theres a concept they can't comprehend) Lesseee... where's Fiat from, oh, yeah,

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2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler If Fiat had any brains, they'd shut down the plants (oops they are already shut down) buy up the chrypsler assets (oops, that is the plan) and hire new employees, sans the gummit, and sans gett le finger. (Now theres a concept

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2009-05-06 Thread Loren Faeth
I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world... I feel safe travelling anywhere in Italy. I don't feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales protection. (Bribed of course) At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: Second most corrupt - Mexico is

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2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world... I feel safe travelling anywhere in Italy. I don't feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico without

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2009-05-01 Thread Peter Merle
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the Government 10%. What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know. On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Bloomberg

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2009-05-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Peter Merle wrote: So Mercedes Lost another wack of money through Chrysler. Here in South Africa Mercedes currently markets and distributes Chrysler products - I wonder what happens now ? You'll get them at the Fiat dealer? Mitch. ___

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2009-04-30 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:49 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: What current shareholders? Chrysler is a private company. Oops, I assumed it was public. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2009-04-30 Thread Allan Streib
Interesting that the UAW contract negotiations will now be with companies that they effectively control. On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:05 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I saw a plan for GM that issued approximately 100x as many shares as currently outstanding to the UAW, govt, and

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2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Interesting that the UAW contract negotiations will now be with companies that they effectively control. They've been getting monopoly pricing on labor, but with the union sitting at BOTH sides of the negotiation table, somehow I think the workers' share of the pie will

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2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote: somehow I think the workers' share of the pie will get smaller and the UAW's will get bigger. Let it happen. We are such a kulture of you owe me that we are bankrupting ourselves - self-castration if you will. I mean - listen to any news and the whole tenor these days is that the

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2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Mountain Man wrote: They are already ramping up to tell me my 84 240D doesn't have enuf electro-gizmo for the roads in the kulture today. BAH!! Heck yes, your car has those illegal EMP countermeasures in it. They'll ban that right after they get around to banning bullet resistant clothing

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2009-04-30 Thread tyler
What a load of crap! This stuff was already in the works before he was elected, and has major public support. He has said that he doesn't like this, but doesn't see any other option but to let the US auto industry collapse- which he promised he wouldn't do during the campaign. I guarantee the

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2009-04-30 Thread tyler
Fiat will take a controlling share in Chrysler as soon as they pay back their bailout money Loren Faeth wrote: You got it! that is how BO works. BO wants to run everything, confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your good. Ever hear of Lenin?

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2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley
tyler wrote: What a load of crap! Don't complain to me, I never voted for that walking load of crap. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

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2009-04-30 Thread WILTON
'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler tyler wrote: What a load of crap! Don't

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2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: 'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS. Sorry Wilton, when Tyler called the POTUS a load of crap, I though I was on the other list. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2009-04-30 Thread tyler
Please re-read my post, especially the part where I quote I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. I was calling Loren's suggestion that the president was analogous to Lenin a load of crap. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: WILTON wrote: 'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS.

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2009-04-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK, time to take this load of crap over to banned or banned lite. tyler wrote: Please re-read my post, especially the part where I quote I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. I was calling Loren's suggestion that the president was analogous to Lenin a load of crap. Tyler

[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Hargrave
I posted this latest release for those would rather read detail than trash a company they know very little about. Dear Chrysler Employees: This is a historic day for Chrysler. As a result of the comprehensive restructuring plan agreed to by many of our stakeholders, I am very pleased to

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2009-04-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Looks like they are going to have plenty of layoffs there. Tom Hargrave wrote: I posted this latest release for those would rather read detail than trash a company they know very little about. Dear Chrysler Employees: This is a historic day for Chrysler. As a result of the comprehensive

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2009-04-30 Thread Loren Faeth
mao, you might like this as a start: **Begin quote** 1125 A.D. In this year before Christmas King Henry sent from Normandy to England and gave instructions that all moneyers ... be deprived of their members ... Bishop Roger of Salisbury commanded them all to assemble

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2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
tyler wrote: Fiat will take a controlling share in Chrysler as soon as they pay back their bailout money The story in this week's Economist about the guy at Fiat says he is like a bull in china closet and pays no attention to corporate kulture - I say kewl!! mao

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2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
Loren wrote: and each deprived of the right hand and the testicles below. © 2004 Janice Dorn, M.D., Ph.D. From a Dr. Janice? She is humping for business, I say. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2009-04-30 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler OK, time to take this load of crap over to banned or banned lite. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2009-04-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow and say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy. :theflyonthewall.com ___

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2009-04-29 Thread Rich Thomas
I guess the bailout money has gone to the UAW then. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow and say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.

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2009-04-29 Thread Allan Streib
What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the Government 10%. What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know. On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the

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2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow and say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy. :theflyonthewall.com

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2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
29, 2009 3:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the Government 10%. What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know. On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net

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2009-04-29 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake (probably 10%) OK

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2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand

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2009-04-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the Government 10%. What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know. I saw a plan for GM that issued approximately 100x as many shares as currently outstanding to the UAW, govt, and lenders.

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2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
Careful! Tom will label you as anti-union and send the thugs out to help you change your mind! At 03:14 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: I guess the bailout money has gone to the UAW then. --R Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

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2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow and say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy

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2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
You got it! that is how BO works. BO wants to run everything, confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your good. Ever hear of Lenin? At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: UAW will have 55%, FIAT

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2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
29, 2009 7:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler You got it! that is how BO works. BO wants to run everything, confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your good. Ever hear of Lenin? At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009

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2009-04-29 Thread John Freer
So. Your solution to this issue about 6 months ago would have been to let GM and Chrysler go under without any Government bailout funds? I'm surprised you think BO started this bailout process. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: You got it!  that is how

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2009-04-29 Thread Mitch Haley
John Freer wrote: So. Your solution to this issue about 6 months ago would have been to let GM and Chrysler go under without any Government bailout funds? I'm surprised you think BO started this bailout process. He voted for bailouts every chance he got, in a term when he had a very poor

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2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler You got it! that is how BO works. BO wants to run everything, confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your good. Ever hear

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2009-04-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
BINGO!! But, I have already said too much for this list. Tom Hargrave wrote: If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my younger days, the only Governments in the world with this much power over individuals and corporations were the USSR and China and they were the

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2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler The Prez, BO, the bamster At 07:37 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: And who is BO - is it Big Oil? They are nowhere in the numbers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http

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2009-04-29 Thread Rich Thomas
The Truth About Cars and Trucks http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124096698307566437.html --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090429/7937ca96/attachment.html

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2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
and they were the bad guys! yes, and those people still ARE bad guys! Only now they are closer to home! At 09:18 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: BINGO!! But, I have already said too much for this list. Tom Hargrave wrote: If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my

[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-03-07 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Colleagues, The global economy can’t turn on a dime. Nor can an industry such as ours, even with all the best people working as hard as they can. It still takes time, and it can be frustrating because it takes so long to see results. And it’s even more difficult to see positive results in