[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-21 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, 

There is a lot of news to pass on to you today, including an important
announcement regarding the leadership of the new company and updates on
motions filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court. 

First, however, I would like to share some thoughts about the reorganization
of our dealer network, which has received a great deal of media coverage. As
you know, last week we began the difficult and painful process of realigning
our dealer network. We filed a motion with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court seeking
to retain 2,292 Chrysler, Jeep® and Dodge dealers that will continue with
the new company in a global alliance with Fiat once the sale is complete.
Pending the court’s approval, another 789 current U.S. dealers will see
their agreements with Chrysler LLC rejected and will discontinue selling new
Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles effective on or about June 9. 

The rationale for this reorganization is that strong, profitable dealers are
essential to our success. Successful dealers are able to invest in their
facilities, their equipment and their people, which allows them to satisfy
and delight our customers. Over the past several days, I’ve received many
letters and e-mails of support from dealers who recognize the need to
reorganize our dealer network in terms of number and location. They
understand that this resizing of the network is a tough but necessary action
to support Chrysler’s viability for the long term. Here are just a few
samples of the messages of support our dealers are sending: 

“My father and I wanted to drop you a note to tell you we are behind you and
everything you've done all the way. I know these last few months have not
been easy for any of us in the auto industry and some of the decisions you
have made have been tough but necessary.” 
__ 

Mr.Nardelli, Mr.Press,  Mr. Landry, 
  
“I can only imagine that the past few days have probably been the hardest of
all as you have had to make some very tough decisions. Decisions that impact
some for the better others for the worse. Through all of this your steady
hand of leadership has shown itself. It is evident to me that you have a
clear vision of where you want Chrysler to be in the next 100 years and have
taken the painful steps to put us all on the right path. The next few days
may be tough, however knowing who is guiding this ship gives me confidence
in the ultimate destination.” 
__ 

“We recently became a Genesis dealer in one of our 2 locations here … by
stepping up and purchasing an existing franchise …  While many called this
move foolish, the past several months have proven them wrong.  Our business
is strong, vibrant and most importantly, growing!  We are also looking
forward to the possibility of acquiring a Chrysler Jeep franchise to add to
our Dodge only point … and complete our own project Genesis. 

I know that there is much pressure being leveled upon you and your entire
team, but I want you to know that your core group of dealers, like my
family, are 100% behind you and we know that the actions that we have seen
in the past 30 days and what we will continue to see throughout our court
supervised restructuring will lead to brighter, more prosperous days for us
all. 
__ 

Gentlemen 
I want to thank you for all of your efforts. Without you our company would
not be here today. My family and my family of employees owe you all a debt
of gratitude. 
__ 


Moving forward with 75 percent of our dealer network is far better than the
alternative of liquidation, which we will face if the sale of assets is not
quickly approved. Under liquidation, 3,181 U.S. dealerships would close,
which would have a devastating effect on both local and national economies. 

With the ongoing support of the U.S Treasury since our April 30 filing for
protection under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy code, our efforts to market
and sell new vehicles continue thanks to the commitment of our dealers and
to the loyalty of our Chrysler, Jeep® and Dodge customers. Even during these
tough times for the industry, these sales have had a positive effect on our
inventory balance, which will leave us in a stronger position for the
future. 

Yesterday, I represented Chrysler at the White House as President Obama
announced a framework for a single national approach for fuel economy and
greenhouse gas standards. This is an important step forward, and we are
pleased that state and federal fuel economy programs will be harmonized,
providing us clarity and certainty as we plan our future product portfolio. 

A result of cooperation between the Department of Transportation, the
Environmental Protection Agency and the state of California, the new
framework would ultimately deliver California-like performance with federal
compliance flexibilities to give us a workable program going forward. This
new standard works well with our 

Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-21 Thread Rich Thomas
That part where he addresses the jettisoned dealers who operated in good 
faith, invested loads of money, and who are left holding inventory, 
facilities, staff, and customer commitments must have been cut out of my 
copy.  And how the union gets their (large) piece of the pie.  And how 
the president and US gummint engineered this whole thing in 
contravention of existing laws, e.g., a little principle called due 
process, that are supposed to deal with these kinds of situations.


Did anyone else get that in their missive?

See here for another perspective, one that rings a bit more true:   
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277581459836917.html


Fairness in a law-abiding society is due process. In the Chrysler 
bankruptcy, the administration hijacked the legal forms for a political 
end that it could have delivered honestly by the government buying 
Chrysler out of liquidation and handing it to the UAW.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley

Tom Hargrave wrote:


BTW, if you can bribe someone in a poor country for protection then someone
else can pay him $20.00 more than you are offering to turn against you.


That was my thought when some friends were telling me how cheap Honduran 
property was. But you have to hire round the clock security. And I'm thinking 
 the guys you're hiring will not be as dedicated to their jobs as the S.S. guys 
who follow Obama around.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents 
even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that 
currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his job in 
California every day.


Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as dangerous 
in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)


At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:

Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave





Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas

I wish I was in Tijuana eating barbecued iguana.

--R

tyler wrote:
I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My 
parents even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle 
that currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his 
job in California every day.


Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as 
dangerous in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)


At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:

Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave





Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Hargrave
Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe  probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look European - American?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in  will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
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I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents 
even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that 
currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his job in 
California every day.

Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as dangerous 
in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.

Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
 I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
 safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
 anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
 protection. (Bribed of course)

 At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
 Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave




 Loren Faeth

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when traveling. 
White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, since a sizable 
percentage of native mexican people have fairly light skin, and some 
even blond hair and blue eyes.


What makes you stand out is dressing and acting like a rich tourist, and 
driving a fancy car. Bring a beat up looking car that's well maintained, 
and buy clothes locally that look like what everyone else is wearing and 
you'll blend in. I generally will wear a guyaberra (southern mexican 
style dress shirt) or a white T-shirt, and drive my somewhat beat up and 
dirty Volvo 740. I eat and go where the locals go, and avoid the tourist 
places. My car has american plates, which also blends in- because a lot 
of the cars down there were imported from the US and never had the 
plates changed.


How you act has a lot more to do with your safety when traveling than 
where you are or what your race and nationality are. Taking the time to 
learn a few phrases in the local language doesn't hurt either.


Tyler

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe  probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look European - American?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in  will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Loren Faeth
Agreed, but I am still not going.  30 years ago, I would have gone, 
but things were different then.  I don't speak like a native.


In Italy, (or anywhere else) we always try to blend in  and look and 
act like the locals.  That includes eating what the locals eat.  In 
Italy, we rode all over on the train, including places that appeared 
no American had been to since the end of WWII.  The instep of Italy's 
boot is considered the armpit of Italy, and there was no problem 
whatsoever there.  A resort there was mostly for Neapolitans, and was 
a fenced compound like mexican resorts.  Most of Italy considers 
Napoli to be despicable but here, the locals were despicable to the 
Neapolitans. But I have no interest in going into Rome.


Sitting outside the Bahnhof Aachen eating rolls and butter purchased 
inside the station has been one of the most enjoyable moments in our 
travels.  (and watching a Ponton Diesel go ripping by in addition to 
the multitude of other MB,VW and BMW products.)   Hanging out in 
Munchen Hbf is interesting too.  Lots of food and shops


In three years of living on Oahu and working in Honolulu, we never 
went to pearl harbor, the Arizona Memorial, or the submarine, not 
because there were not interesting, but because every tourist goes 
there.  While living on the big Island, we did on occasion go to Kona 
and play tourist.  That is kinda a busman's holiday because a lot of 
the folks who go there are Hawaiians.  If we stay at a hotel, it is 
never Mauna Kea Beach Resort, it is Keauhou Beach Hotel which caters 
to Kamaainas (locals)




At 01:05 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when 
traveling. White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, 
since a sizable percentage of native mexican people have fairly 
light skin, and some even blond hair and blue eyes.


What makes you stand out is dressing and acting like a rich tourist, 
and driving a fancy car. Bring a beat up looking car that's well 
maintained, and buy clothes locally that look like what everyone 
else is wearing and you'll blend in. I generally will wear a 
guyaberra (southern mexican style dress shirt) or a white T-shirt, 
and drive my somewhat beat up and dirty Volvo 740. I eat and go 
where the locals go, and avoid the tourist places. My car has 
american plates, which also blends in- because a lot of the cars 
down there were imported from the US and never had the plates changed.


How you act has a lot more to do with your safety when traveling 
than where you are or what your race and nationality are. Taking the 
time to learn a few phrases in the local language doesn't hurt either.


Tyler

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe  probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look European - American?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in  will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas

You're all gabachos.

--R

tyler wrote:
I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when traveling. 
White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, since a 
sizable percentage of native mexican people have fairly light skin, 
and some even blond hair and blue eyes.


What makes you stand out is dressing and acting like a rich tourist, 
and driving a fancy car. Bring a beat up looking car that's well 
maintained, and buy clothes locally that look like what everyone else 
is wearing and you'll blend in. I generally will wear a guyaberra 
(southern mexican style dress shirt) or a white T-shirt, and drive my 
somewhat beat up and dirty Volvo 740. I eat and go where the locals 
go, and avoid the tourist places. My car has american plates, which 
also blends in- because a lot of the cars down there were imported 
from the US and never had the plates changed.


How you act has a lot more to do with your safety when traveling than 
where you are or what your race and nationality are. Taking the time 
to learn a few phrases in the local language doesn't hurt either.


Tyler

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and 
he also
feels safe  probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore 
thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw 
attention

which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look European - 
American?

If you look like you are from the area then you blend in  will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread LWB250

Like Compton?

An upper midwest company I used to work for was looking for cheap light 
industrial real estate in the LA basin to store equipment in as a regional hub 
for a rental business.  The guy who was heading up the search knew nothing 
about LA.

He came running in the office one day, all worked up.

I found some really great property in LA CHEAP!

(me) Oh, yeah?  Where is it exactly?

Someplace called Compton.

I held my tongue.

Dan

--- On Thu, 5/7/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:

 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 12:41 PM
 
 Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place
 as dangerous in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles
 basin.
 
 Tyler
 



  

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler and Volksporschewagen

2009-05-07 Thread Hendrik Fay

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,623423,00.html#ref=nlint
Guess Roger will be able to get all his Porsche parts from the local VW 
dealer in the future.
Perhaps we'll see a 'new' beetle with a hot Porsche engine? Hot rod 
transporter?


Hendrik

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[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, 

The U.S. Bankruptcy Court approved a process for the expeditious sale of
substantially all of Chrysler LLC’s assets. This is a major step forward as
it sets out a swift, clear path to achieve our goal of concluding our
alliance with Fiat S.p.A. and create a new company that will be stronger and
more competitive. 

It is crucial that this transaction be completed in a timely manner in order
to secure maximum value for our stakeholders and to preserve key
relationships with suppliers, dealers and other business partners. In
addition, financial commitments from the U.S. and Canadian governments
require the alliance with Fiat be consummated within 60 days of Chapter 11
filing on April 30. Our new labor agreements with the UAW and CAW also
depend on prompt completion of the proposed Fiat alliance. 

As we’ve said many times before, our leadership left no stone unturned as we
aggressively pursued a strategy of alliances and partnerships with other
OEMs and suppliers around the world. Out of respect for the negotiating
process and confidentiality requirements, we have not commented in the past
on partnership talks that have not resulted in deals. However, as part of
the Bankruptcy Court process, we disclosed that we have previously discussed
various transactions with Nissan, General Motors, Volkswagen, Tata Motors,
Magna, GAZ, Hyundai, Honda and Toyota and others over an extended period of
time. These discussions did not produce any viable alternative to the
proposed alliance with Fiat.   

It’s clear that the Fiat deal represents the best opportunity for us. The
court today established a fair and orderly process to confirm that the Fiat
transaction represents the best and highest bid for Chrysler’s assets, or
promptly identify any other higher and better alternatives. An alternative
bidder would have to surpass the value of the terms of the agreement with
Fiat to be successful. 

Going forward, important court dates for us are: 

•May 20, the deadline for submission of alternative bids 
•May 26, the deadline for the notice of designation of lead bidder 
•May 27, the date for the sale hearing to consider the approval of
the proposed sale 

It’s important to remember that during this transition time, our dealers
still have great products to offer. Our quality has never been better, as
shown by our 29 percent reduction in warranty claims over the last year. For
the 2009 model year, we improved the fuel economy on 73 percent of our
products. 

Our dealers not only met their concession goals, but also have continued to
show tremendous enthusiasm for our company, our brands and our products in
their local communities. To assist our dealers and attract consumers, we are
introducing new incentives beginning today. We’re offering as much as $4,000
consumer cash on 2009 model vehicles; a $1,000 owner loyalty incentive for
current Chrysler LLC vehicle owners that is good towards most 2008 and 2009
vehicles; and as much as $1,000 credit union bonus cash for qualified
members who finance their new vehicle purchase through one of 1,500
participating credit unions. These incentives are valid through June 1, and
they make it a great time to shop for a new Chrysler, Jeep® or Dodge. 

Acclaim for our new products keeps rolling in. For example, the all-new 2009
Dodge Ram 1500 came out on top in a head-to-head competition against the
Chevy Silverado, Ford F-150 and Toyota Tundra conducted by Edmunds.com.
Edmunds praised the Ram’s 5.7-liter V-8 engine, towing ability, axle ratio,
fuel efficiency and the RamBox™ cargo storage system. The publication also
raved about interior features such as the heated and vented seats, the
navigation system and rear-seat DVD. 

We realize that thousands of pages of documents have been filed with the
court. As media members scrutinize these documents that are now public,
you’ll undoubtedly continue to hear and read stories about our business.  I
want to remind you to go to HYPERLINK http://scoop.chrysler.comThe Scoop
or to HYPERLINK
http://www.chryslerrestructuring.comwww.chryslerrestructuring.com to get
the details on all motions and documents that have been filed in court. 

Once more, thank you for your sacrifices, which have helped lay the
groundwork for the swift completion of this process that will enable us to
emerge as a vibrant company with bright, long-term prospects. 

Bob  

 

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-06 Thread Loren Faeth
If Fiat had any brains, they'd shut down the 
plants  (oops they are already shut down) buy up 
the chrypsler assets (oops, that is the plan) and 
hire new employees, sans the gummit, and sans 
gett le finger.  (Now theres a concept they can't comprehend)


Lesseee... where's Fiat from, oh, yeah, one of 
the most corrupt so called civilized countries


[waiting for the flame about being 
anti-onion.   we wouldn't want to be realistic, would we?]



At 05:35 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
Dear Employees, The U.S. Bankruptcy Court 
approved a process for the expeditious sale of 
substantially all of Chrysler LLC’s assets. This 
is a major step forward as it sets out a swift, 
clear path to achieve our goal of concluding our 
alliance with Fiat S.p.A. and create a new 
company that will be stronger and more 
competitive. It is crucial that this transaction 
be completed in a timely manner in order to 
secure maximum value for our stakeholders and to 
preserve key relationships with suppliers, 
dealers and other business partners. In 
addition, financial commitments from the U.S. 
and Canadian governments require the alliance 
with Fiat be consummated within 60 days of 
Chapter 11 filing on April 30. Our new labor 
agreements with the UAW and CAW also depend on 
prompt completion of the proposed Fiat alliance. 
As we’ve said many times before, our leadership 
left no stone unturned as we aggressively 
pursued a strategy of alliances and partnerships 
with other OEMs and suppliers around the world. 
Out of respect for the negotiating process and 
confidentiality requirements, we have not 
commented in the past on partnership talks that 
have not resulted in deals. However, as part of 
the Bankruptcy Court process, we disclosed that 
we have previously discussed various 
transactions with Nissan, General Motors, 
Volkswagen, Tata Motors, Magna, GAZ, Hyundai, 
Honda and Toyota and others over an extended 
period of time. These discussions did not 
produce any viable alternative to the proposed 
alliance with Fiat.   It’s clear that the Fiat 
deal represents the best opportunity for us. The 
court today established a fair and orderly 
process to confirm that the Fiat transaction 
represents the best and highest bid for 
Chrysler’s assets, or promptly identify any 
other higher and better alternatives. An 
alternative bidder would have to surpass the 
value of the terms of the agreement with Fiat to 
be successful. Going forward, important court 
dates for us are: •May 20, the deadline 
for submission of alternative bids •May 
26, the deadline for the notice of designation 
of lead bidder •May 27, the date for the 
sale hearing to consider the approval of the 
proposed sale It’s important to remember that 
during this transition time, our dealers still 
have great products to offer. Our quality has 
never been better, as shown by our 29 percent 
reduction in warranty claims over the last year. 
For the 2009 model year, we improved the fuel 
economy on 73 percent of our products. Our 
dealers not only met their concession goals, but 
also have continued to show tremendous 
enthusiasm for our company, our brands and our 
products in their local communities. To assist 
our dealers and attract consumers, we are 
introducing new incentives beginning today. 
We’re offering as much as $4,000 consumer cash 
on 2009 model vehicles; a $1,000 owner loyalty 
incentive for current Chrysler LLC vehicle 
owners that is good towards most 2008 and 2009 
vehicles; and as much as $1,000 credit union 
bonus cash for qualified members who finance 
their new vehicle purchase through one of 1,500 
participating credit unions. These incentives 
are valid through June 1, and they make it a 
great time to shop for a new Chrysler, Jeep® or 
Dodge. Acclaim for our new products keeps 
rolling in. For example, the all-new 2009 Dodge 
Ram 1500 came out on top in a head-to-head 
competition against the Chevy Silverado, Ford 
F-150 and Toyota Tundra conducted by 
Edmunds.com. Edmunds praised the Ram’s 5.7-liter 
V-8 engine, towing ability, axle ratio, fuel 
efficiency and the RamBox™ cargo storage system. 
The publication also raved about interior 
features such as the heated and vented seats, 
the navigation system and rear-seat DVD. We 
realize that thousands of pages of documents 
have been filed with the court. As media members 
scrutinize these documents that are now public, 
you’ll undoubtedly continue to hear and read 
stories about our business.  I want to remind 
you to go to HYPERLINK 
http://scoop.chrysler.comThe Scoop or to 
HYPERLINK 
http://www.chryslerrestructuring.comwww.chryslerrestructuring.com 
to get the details on all motions and documents 
that have been filed in court. Once more, thank 
you for your sacrifices, which have helped lay 
the groundwork for the swift completion of this 
process that will enable us to emerge as a 
vibrant company with bright, long-term 
prospects. Bob  Thanks, Tom Hargrave 

Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

If Fiat had any brains, they'd shut down the 
plants  (oops they are already shut down) buy up 
the chrypsler assets (oops, that is the plan) and 
hire new employees, sans the gummit, and sans 
gett le finger.  (Now theres a concept they can't comprehend)

Lesseee... where's Fiat from, oh, yeah, one of 
the most corrupt so called civilized countries

[waiting for the flame about being 
anti-onion.   we wouldn't want to be realistic, would we?]


At 05:35 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
Dear Employees, The U.S. Bankruptcy Court 
approved a process for the expeditious sale of 
substantially all of Chrysler LLC’s assets. This 
is a major step forward as it sets out a swift, 
clear path to achieve our goal of concluding our 
alliance with Fiat S.p.A. and create a new 
company that will be stronger and more 
competitive. It is crucial that this transaction 
be completed in a timely manner in order to 
secure maximum value for our stakeholders and to 
preserve key relationships with suppliers, 
dealers and other business partners. In 
addition, financial commitments from the U.S. 
and Canadian governments require the alliance 
with Fiat be consummated within 60 days of 
Chapter 11 filing on April 30. Our new labor 
agreements with the UAW and CAW also depend on 
prompt completion of the proposed Fiat alliance. 
As we’ve said many times before, our leadership 
left no stone unturned as we aggressively 
pursued a strategy of alliances and partnerships 
with other OEMs and suppliers around the world. 
Out of respect for the negotiating process and 
confidentiality requirements, we have not 
commented in the past on partnership talks that 
have not resulted in deals. However, as part of 
the Bankruptcy Court process, we disclosed that 
we have previously discussed various 
transactions with Nissan, General Motors, 
Volkswagen, Tata Motors, Magna, GAZ, Hyundai, 
Honda and Toyota and others over an extended 
period of time. These discussions did not 
produce any viable alternative to the proposed 
alliance with Fiat.   It’s clear that the Fiat 
deal represents the best opportunity for us. The 
court today established a fair and orderly 
process to confirm that the Fiat transaction 
represents the best and highest bid for 
Chrysler’s assets, or promptly identify any 
other higher and better alternatives. An 
alternative bidder would have to surpass the 
value of the terms of the agreement with Fiat to 
be successful. Going forward, important court 
dates for us are: •May 20, the deadline 
for submission of alternative bids •May 
26, the deadline for the notice of designation 
of lead bidder •May 27, the date for the 
sale hearing to consider the approval of the 
proposed sale It’s important to remember that 
during this transition time, our dealers still 
have great products to offer. Our quality has 
never been better, as shown by our 29 percent 
reduction in warranty claims over the last year. 
For the 2009 model year, we improved the fuel 
economy on 73 percent of our products. Our 
dealers not only met their concession goals, but 
also have continued to show tremendous 
enthusiasm for our company, our brands and our 
products in their local communities. To assist 
our dealers and attract consumers, we are 
introducing new incentives beginning today. 
We’re offering as much as $4,000 consumer cash 
on 2009 model vehicles; a $1,000 owner loyalty 
incentive for current Chrysler LLC vehicle 
owners that is good towards most 2008 and 2009 
vehicles; and as much as $1,000 credit union 
bonus cash for qualified members who finance 
their new vehicle purchase through one of 1,500 
participating credit unions. These incentives 
are valid through June 1, and they make it a 
great time to shop for a new Chrysler, Jeep® or 
Dodge. Acclaim for our new products keeps 
rolling in. For example, the all-new 2009 Dodge 
Ram 1500 came out on top in a head-to-head 
competition against the Chevy Silverado, Ford 
F-150 and Toyota Tundra conducted by 
Edmunds.com. Edmunds praised the Ram’s 5.7-liter 
V-8 engine, towing ability, axle ratio, fuel 
efficiency and the RamBox™ cargo storage system. 
The publication also raved about interior 
features such as the heated and vented seats, 
the navigation system and rear-seat DVD. We 
realize that thousands of pages of documents 
have been filed with the court. As media members 
scrutinize these documents that are now public, 
you’ll undoubtedly continue to hear and read 
stories about our business.  I want to remind 
you to go to HYPERLINK 
http://scoop.chrysler.comThe Scoop or to 
HYPERLINK 
http

Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-06 Thread Loren Faeth
I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)


At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:

Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave





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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
I've been to both countries and Mexico is definitely more civilized than
Italy. Actually, Italy is the poorest, most dismal country I've been to in
Europe. I've not been to Spain but I hear its worse.

I'm talking about the real country, not the propped up tourist traps we
THINK these countries are all about. Stay in the tourist areas and you leave
with a very grand view of Italy, Mexico, Jamaica, etc, etc. Go too far away
without some local help and you might find yourself dead over an American
$20.00 bill. We Americans have a very twisted view of the world!

BTW, if you can bribe someone in a poor country for protection then someone
else can pay him $20.00 more than you are offering to turn against you.

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)

At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave




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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-01 Thread Peter Merle
So Mercedes Lost another wack of money through Chrysler. Here in South
Africa Mercedes currently markets and distributes Chrysler products - I
wonder what happens now ?
Peter


2009/4/29 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net

 UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will eventually
 hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from 6.9B in debt with
 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake (probably 10%) and the
 rest will be Cebrus. Daimler has already surrendered their 19.9% to Cebrus
 
 agreed to pay 600M to the pension fund over the next few years.

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 On Behalf Of Allan Streib
 Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:27 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

 What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the
 Government 10%.  What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know.



 On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
  Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the
  situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy
  tomorrow and
  say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
  :theflyonthewall.com
 
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-01 Thread Mitch Haley

Peter Merle wrote:

So Mercedes Lost another wack of money through Chrysler. Here in South
Africa Mercedes currently markets and distributes Chrysler products - I
wonder what happens now ?


You'll get them at the Fiat dealer?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Allan Streib

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:49 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

 What current shareholders? Chrysler is a private company.

Oops, I assumed it was public.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Allan Streib
Interesting that the UAW contract negotiations will now be with companies that 
they effectively control.


On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:05 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I saw a plan for GM that issued approximately 100x as many shares as
 currently outstanding to the UAW, govt, and lenders. After which the
 stock would be reverse split 1:100 to restore the number of shares to
 its previous level. The preexisting shareholders would then own about
 1% of the new shares. The existing bondholders would get a larger
 pittance, but the union and the feds would end up with the vast
 majority of the ownership. I'd rather see them go BK and the
 bondholders end up with it all.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:

Interesting that the UAW contract negotiations will now be with companies that 
they effectively control.


They've been getting monopoly pricing on labor, but with the union sitting at 
BOTH sides of the negotiation table, somehow I think the workers' share of the 
pie will get smaller and the UAW's will get bigger.


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote:
 somehow I think the workers' share
 of the pie will get smaller and the UAW's will get bigger.

Let it happen.
We are such a kulture of you owe me that we are bankrupting
ourselves - self-castration if you will.
I mean - listen to any news and the whole tenor these days is that the
gov't will do everything.
Soon, they will be at my back door telling me I cannot wrench on my
own car because I am not federally approved to own wrenches - if I
make a boo-boo in my car repair and the kulture reaps the benefits of
broken stuff/people - it might kum to this.
They are already ramping up to tell me my 84 240D doesn't have enuf
electro-gizmo for the roads in the kulture today.  BAH!!
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley

Mountain Man wrote:


They are already ramping up to tell me my 84 240D doesn't have enuf
electro-gizmo for the roads in the kulture today.  BAH!!


Heck yes, your car has those illegal EMP countermeasures in it. They'll ban that 
right after they get around to banning bullet resistant clothing for peons. 
Can't have serfs like you driving cars that can't be electronically disabled by 
the overlords.


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread tyler
What a load of crap! This stuff was already in the works before he was 
elected, and has major public support. He has said that he doesn't like 
this, but doesn't see any other option but to let the US auto industry 
collapse- which he promised he wouldn't do during the campaign.


I guarantee the government will sell it's shares in the auto industry to 
investors in the private sector as soon as they get a chance. I 
personally am not sure they should have tried to save the US auto 
industry, but I do think that this was probably the only way to do it.


He's doing exactly what he promised voters- nothing more or less. To 
quote Jon Stewart:


I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you, 
because I've been there. A few times. In fact, one of them was a bit of 
a nail-biter. But see, when the guy that you disagree with gets elected, 
he's probably going to do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes 
on the wealthy, remove government's oversight capability, invade a 
country that you thought should not be invaded, but that's not tyranny. 
That's democracy. See, now you're in the minority. It's supposed to 
taste like a shit taco.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything, 
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your 
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread tyler
Fiat will take a controlling share in Chrysler as soon as they pay back 
their bailout money


Loren Faeth wrote:
You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything, 
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your 
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley

tyler wrote:

What a load of crap!


Don't complain to me, I never voted for that walking load of crap.
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread WILTON

'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS.

Wilton

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tyler wrote:

What a load of crap!


Don't complain to me, I never voted for that walking load of crap.
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley

WILTON wrote:

'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS.


Sorry Wilton, when Tyler called the POTUS a load of crap, I though I was on the 
other list.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread tyler
Please re-read my post, especially the part where I quote I think you 
might be confusing tyranny with losing.


I was calling Loren's suggestion that the president was analogous to 
Lenin a load of crap.


Tyler

Mitch Haley wrote:

WILTON wrote:

'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS.


Sorry Wilton, when Tyler called the POTUS a load of crap, I though I 
was on the other list.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

OK, time to take this load of crap over to banned or banned lite.

tyler wrote:
Please re-read my post, especially the part where I quote I think you 
might be confusing tyranny with losing.


I was calling Loren's suggestion that the president was analogous to 
Lenin a load of crap.


Tyler

Mitch Haley wrote:

WILTON wrote:

'Thought Listdaddy had banned the political BS.


Sorry Wilton, when Tyler called the POTUS a load of crap, I though I 
was on the other list.

Mitch.


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[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Hargrave
I posted this latest release for those would rather read detail than trash a
company they know very little about.

 

Dear Chrysler Employees: 

This is a historic day for Chrysler. As a result of the comprehensive
restructuring plan agreed to by many of our stakeholders, I am very pleased
to report that Chrysler LLC and Fiat S.p.A. have reached an agreement in
principle to establish a global strategic alliance. This agreement creates a
new, competitive, global car company that will take over a majority of
Chrysler’s operations. With the completion of this alliance, Chrysler will
be repositioned for long-term success, validating the great efforts and
sacrifices that you have made to help us get to this momentous point. 

In addition to the alliance news today, I announced to Chrysler’s Board of
Management and our senior leadership as well as the U.S. Treasury that I
plan to leave the company and return to Cerberus Capital Management as an
advisor. With the U.S. government approval of our viability plan and the
completion of an agreement in principle for the alliance, this is an
appropriate time to let others take the lead in transformation of Chrysler
with Fiat. I will work closely with all of our stakeholders to complete the
restructuring and see that this new company swiftly emerges with a
successful closing of the alliance. 

This alliance will enable Chrysler to move forward as part of a new company
with significant strategic advantages, including access to high quality,
fuel-efficient small and compact vehicles, as well as platforms, powertrain
technologies and components that will be produced at Chrysler manufacturing
sites. Together, Chrysler and Fiat will bring a range of exciting, new
fuel-efficient vehicles to North American consumers, helping stimulate
growth in this segment. The alliance also will allow Chrysler and Fiat to
fully optimize our respective manufacturing footprints and global supplier
base. Each company will gain access to new markets, including distribution
of Chrysler vehicles to areas outside of North America, and potential
distribution of Fiat vehicles through Chrysler’s dealerships in North
America. 

As you know, Chrysler initiated discussions with Fiat more than a year ago
to develop plans for a global product alliance. Chrysler and many of its
stakeholders worked tirelessly to agree upon concessions that will result in
a significantly lower cost base and enable fulfillment of a broader
strategic alliance. Despite substantial progress on many fronts, we were not
able to obtain the necessary concessions from all of our lenders. As a
result, under the direction of the U.S. Treasury, Chrysler LLC and 24 of its
wholly owned U.S. subsidiaries today filed voluntary petitions under Chapter
11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern
District of New York.   

Even though total agreement on concessions was not possible, I am truly
grateful for all that has been sacrificed, on the part of many of Chrysler’s
stakeholders to reach an agreement in principle with Fiat. My number one
priority has been to preserve Chrysler and the livelihoods of thousands of
people who depend on its success.  While I am excited about the creation of
the global alliance, I am personally disappointed that today Chrysler has
filed for Chapter 11. This was not my first choice. 

It’s very important to make clear that, because of the amount of work we’ve
already done prior to filing for Chapter 11, this will be a very different
kind of process than you may have seen with other companies. With this
“structured bankruptcy” filing, we will submit a motion under Section 363 of
the Bankruptcy Code requesting the court to swiftly approve the agreement
with Fiat and the sale of Chrysler’s principal assets to the new company we
are forming with Fiat. The benefit of this type of filing is speed. It will
allow a leaner new company to emerge in a matter of 30 to 60 days, well
positioned for long-term viability. It’s also very important to note that
Chrysler’s Canadian, Mexican and other international operations are not part
of any bankruptcy filing. 

The substantial majority of Chrysler’s assets, operations, plants and people
will be transferred to the new company, while assets and liabilities that
are not consistent with our business plan will remain with the old company
for disposition. Under the supervision of the court, and with the
cooperation of the U.S. Treasury, the new company will quickly emerge from
bankruptcy as a restructured and financially healthy organization. The old
company and its remaining assets will proceed through a Chapter 11 process
during which these assets may be sold or otherwise liquidated. Chrysler is
in the process of identifying and finalizing the list of assets that will be
disposed of through this process. Once this is complete and we are asked to
share it with the court, we also will share it with you.   

Chrysler also will file “First Day” motions with the 

Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Looks like they are going to have plenty of layoffs there. 


Tom Hargrave wrote:

I posted this latest release for those would rather read detail than trash a
company they know very little about.

 

Dear Chrysler Employees: 


This is a historic day for Chrysler. As a result of the comprehensive
restructuring plan agreed to by many of our stakeholders, I am very pleased
to report that Chrysler LLC and Fiat S.p.A. have reached an agreement in
principle to establish a global strategic alliance. This agreement creates a
new, competitive, global car company that will take over a majority of
Chrysler’s operations. With the completion of this alliance, Chrysler will
be repositioned for long-term success, validating the great efforts and
sacrifices that you have made to help us get to this momentous point. 


In addition to the alliance news today, I announced to Chrysler’s Board of
Management and our senior leadership as well as the U.S. Treasury that I
plan to leave the company and return to Cerberus Capital Management as an
advisor. With the U.S. government approval of our viability plan and the
completion of an agreement in principle for the alliance, this is an
appropriate time to let others take the lead in transformation of Chrysler
with Fiat. I will work closely with all of our stakeholders to complete the
restructuring and see that this new company swiftly emerges with a
successful closing of the alliance. 


This alliance will enable Chrysler to move forward as part of a new company
with significant strategic advantages, including access to high quality,
fuel-efficient small and compact vehicles, as well as platforms, powertrain
technologies and components that will be produced at Chrysler manufacturing
sites. Together, Chrysler and Fiat will bring a range of exciting, new
fuel-efficient vehicles to North American consumers, helping stimulate
growth in this segment. The alliance also will allow Chrysler and Fiat to
fully optimize our respective manufacturing footprints and global supplier
base. Each company will gain access to new markets, including distribution
of Chrysler vehicles to areas outside of North America, and potential
distribution of Fiat vehicles through Chrysler’s dealerships in North
America. 


As you know, Chrysler initiated discussions with Fiat more than a year ago
to develop plans for a global product alliance. Chrysler and many of its
stakeholders worked tirelessly to agree upon concessions that will result in
a significantly lower cost base and enable fulfillment of a broader
strategic alliance. Despite substantial progress on many fronts, we were not
able to obtain the necessary concessions from all of our lenders. As a
result, under the direction of the U.S. Treasury, Chrysler LLC and 24 of its
wholly owned U.S. subsidiaries today filed voluntary petitions under Chapter
11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern
District of New York.   


Even though total agreement on concessions was not possible, I am truly
grateful for all that has been sacrificed, on the part of many of Chrysler’s
stakeholders to reach an agreement in principle with Fiat. My number one
priority has been to preserve Chrysler and the livelihoods of thousands of
people who depend on its success.  While I am excited about the creation of
the global alliance, I am personally disappointed that today Chrysler has
filed for Chapter 11. This was not my first choice. 


It’s very important to make clear that, because of the amount of work we’ve
already done prior to filing for Chapter 11, this will be a very different
kind of process than you may have seen with other companies. With this
“structured bankruptcy” filing, we will submit a motion under Section 363 of
the Bankruptcy Code requesting the court to swiftly approve the agreement
with Fiat and the sale of Chrysler’s principal assets to the new company we
are forming with Fiat. The benefit of this type of filing is speed. It will
allow a leaner new company to emerge in a matter of 30 to 60 days, well
positioned for long-term viability. It’s also very important to note that
Chrysler’s Canadian, Mexican and other international operations are not part
of any bankruptcy filing. 


The substantial majority of Chrysler’s assets, operations, plants and people
will be transferred to the new company, while assets and liabilities that
are not consistent with our business plan will remain with the old company
for disposition. Under the supervision of the court, and with the
cooperation of the U.S. Treasury, the new company will quickly emerge from
bankruptcy as a restructured and financially healthy organization. The old
company and its remaining assets will proceed through a Chapter 11 process
during which these assets may be sold or otherwise liquidated. Chrysler is
in the process of identifying and finalizing the list of assets that will be
disposed of through this process. Once this is complete and we are asked to
share it with the 

Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Loren Faeth

mao,  you might like this as a start:

  **Begin quote**
1125 A.D. In this year before Christmas King 
Henry sent from Normandy to England and gave 
instructions that all moneyers ... be deprived of 
their members ... Bishop Roger of Salisbury 
commanded them all to assemble at Winchester by 
Christmas.  When they came hither they were then 
taken one by one, and each deprived of the right 
hand and the testicles below.  All this was done 
in twelve days between Christmas and Epiphany, 
and was entirely justified because they had 
ruined the whole country by the magnitude of 
their fraud which they paid for in full.  - The Laud Chronicle (E)


Taxpayers deserve reliable protection and with 
sufficient outrage will likely move rationally to 
at least limit financial adventurers in government. 


© 2004 Janice Dorn, M.D., Ph.D.
Contributor
http://www.tacticalinvestor.comwww.tacticalinvestor.com
***End quote
(not endorsing the source, just giving credit for the quote)

Since the king will not demand such, it is time 
for the peasants to take up 
pitchforks  Participate in your local tea party,  Vote out the incumbents.


At 11:24 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote:

Mitch wrote:
 somehow I think the workers' share
 of the pie will get smaller and the UAW's will get bigger.

Let it happen.
We are such a kulture of you owe me that we are bankrupting
ourselves - self-castration if you will.
I mean - listen to any news and the whole tenor these days is that the
gov't will do everything.
Soon, they will be at my back door telling me I cannot wrench on my
own car because I am not federally approved to own wrenches - if I
make a boo-boo in my car repair and the kulture reaps the benefits of
broken stuff/people - it might kum to this.
They are already ramping up to tell me my 84 240D doesn't have enuf
electro-gizmo for the roads in the kulture today.  BAH!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
tyler wrote:
 Fiat will take a controlling share in Chrysler as soon as they pay back
 their bailout money

The story in this week's Economist about the guy at Fiat says he is
like a bull in china closet and pays no attention to corporate kulture
- I say kewl!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
Loren wrote:
 and each deprived of the right hand and the testicles below.

 © 2004 Janice Dorn, M.D., Ph.D.

From a Dr. Janice?
She is humping for business, I say.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Thanks Kaleb.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

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OK, time to take this load of crap over to banned or banned lite.



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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the 
situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow and 
say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy. :theflyonthewall.com


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Rich Thomas

I guess the bailout money has gone to the UAW then.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of 
the situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy 
tomorrow and say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in 
bankruptcy. :theflyonthewall.com


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Allan Streib
What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the 
Government 10%.  What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know.



On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the 
 situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy
 tomorrow and 
 say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
 :theflyonthewall.com
 
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
OK, so let's get this straight.

Big Brother (the Government) gave Chrysler a deadline of the 30th to
announce a acceptable merger with FIAT.

And according to my direct insider information, Chrysler will make that
deadline.

But you are telling me that the President of Big Brother (the Government)
will tell Chrysler that they must file bankruptcy anyway???

I don't think so.

If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my
younger days, the only Governments in the world with this much power over
individuals and corporations were the USSR and China and they were the bad
guys!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
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Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the 
situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow
and 
say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
:theflyonthewall.com

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will eventually
hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from 6.9B in debt with
2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake (probably 10%) and the
rest will be Cebrus. Daimler has already surrendered their 19.9% to Cebrus 
agreed to pay 600M to the pension fund over the next few years.

Thanks,
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What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the
Government 10%.  What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know.



On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the 
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 tomorrow and 
 say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

 UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
 eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
 (probably 10%)

OK so:

   55% UAW
   35% FIAT
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
evaporate ?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
What current shareholders? Chrysler is a private company.

And the split is:

   55% UAW
   20% FIAT
   17% Cebrus
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

Assuming FIAT gets 20% up front. I'm told that they will get less because
Big Brother does not want them to have controlling interest until Big
Brother is out of the picture.

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

 UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
 eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
 (probably 10%)

OK so:

   55% UAW
   35% FIAT
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
evaporate ?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:

What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the 
Government 10%.  What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know.


I saw a plan for GM that issued approximately 100x as many shares as currently 
outstanding to the UAW, govt, and lenders. After which the stock would be 
reverse split 1:100 to restore the number of shares to its previous level.

The preexisting shareholders would then own about 1% of the new shares.
The existing bondholders would get a larger pittance, but the union and the feds 
would end up with the vast majority of the ownership. I'd rather see them go BK 
and the bondholders end up with it all.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
Careful!  Tom will label you as anti-union and send the thugs out to 
help you change your mind!


At 03:14 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

I guess the bailout money has gone to the UAW then.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth

Yes?

At 04:21 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

OK, so let's get this straight.

Big Brother (the Government) gave Chrysler a deadline of the 30th to
announce a acceptable merger with FIAT.

And according to my direct insider information, Chrysler will make that
deadline.

But you are telling me that the President of Big Brother (the Government)
will tell Chrysler that they must file bankruptcy anyway???

I don't think so.

If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my
younger days, the only Governments in the world with this much power over
individuals and corporations were the USSR and China and they were the bad
guys!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the
situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow
and
say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
:theflyonthewall.com

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth
You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything, 
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your 
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?


At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

 UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
 eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
 (probably 10%)

OK so:

   55% UAW
   35% FIAT
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
evaporate ?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
And who is BO - is it Big Oil? They are nowhere in the numbers.

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You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything, 
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your 
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?

At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
wrote:

  UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
  eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
  6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
  (probably 10%)

OK so:

55% UAW
35% FIAT
10% Big Brother
   
   100%

So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
evaporate ?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread John Freer
So. Your solution to this issue about 6 months ago would have been to
let GM and Chrysler go under without any Government bailout funds? I'm
surprised you think BO started this bailout process.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote:
 You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything, confiscate
 all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your good.  Ever hear of
 Lenin?

 At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

 On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
 wrote:

  UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
  eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
  6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
  (probably 10%)

 OK so:

   55% UAW
   35% FIAT
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

 So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
 evaporate ?


 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Mitch Haley

John Freer wrote:

So. Your solution to this issue about 6 months ago would have been to
let GM and Chrysler go under without any Government bailout funds? I'm
surprised you think BO started this bailout process.


He voted for bailouts every chance he got, in a term when he had a very poor 
record for actually showing up and voting. I think gun control and bailouts were 
the only things he scored 100% on.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth

The Prez, BO, the bamster

At 07:37 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

And who is BO - is it Big Oil? They are nowhere in the numbers.

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything,
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?

At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
wrote:

  UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
  eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
  6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
  (probably 10%)

OK so:

55% UAW
35% FIAT
10% Big Brother
   
   100%

So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
evaporate ?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

BINGO!!  But, I have already said too much for this list.

Tom Hargrave wrote:



If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my
younger days, the only Governments in the world with this much power over
individuals and corporations were the USSR and China and they were the bad
guys!

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
Oh, that guy, the one who stated today that he wants to build a stronger
auto industry.

What's he going to do next, make stronger toilet paper? Personally fly to
the moon? Solve the immigration problem with a stroke of a pen?

What business does the President and Commander in Chief have meddling with
the auto industry?

I better be careful lest I get chastised for being too political on this
list.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

The Prez, BO, the bamster

At 07:37 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
And who is BO - is it Big Oil? They are nowhere in the numbers.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything,
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?

At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
 On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
wrote:
 
   UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
   eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
   6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
   (probably 10%)
 
 OK so:
 
 55% UAW
 35% FIAT
 10% Big Brother

100%
 
 So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
 evaporate ?
 
 
 Allan
 
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Rich Thomas


 The Truth About Cars and Trucks

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124096698307566437.html


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-04-29 Thread Loren Faeth


and they were the bad guys!   yes, and those people still ARE bad 
guys!   Only now they are closer to home!


At 09:18 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

BINGO!!  But, I have already said too much for this list.

Tom Hargrave wrote:


If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my
younger days, the only Governments in the world with this much power over
individuals and corporations were the USSR and China and they were the bad
guys!
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave


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[MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-03-07 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Colleagues, 

The global economy can’t turn on a dime. Nor can an industry such as ours,
even with all the best people working as hard as they can. It still takes
time, and it can be frustrating because it takes so long to see results. And
it’s even more difficult to see positive results in the midst of an economic
crisis marked by frozen credit markets and shaky consumer confidence. But in
spite of the challenges, there also are some positive developments. From
that perspective, I’d like to share some of my thoughts with you. 

Let’s start with February sales in the U.S. market. The real news is that we
gained 1.4 points of retail market share in February compared with a year
ago, coming in with an 11 percent share. Chrysler climbed to the No. 2 spot
in retail sales among U.S.-based automakers last month, beating Ford—an
accomplishment highlighted by the Dodge Challenger outselling the Ford
Mustang coupe and convertible combined. 

Although our retail sales fell 26 percent last month, we outpaced the
overall industry, which saw retail sales drop 35 percent. When you factor in
a 71 percent reduction in fleet, our overall sales were off 44 percent in
February. This is the number most widely reported in the media. But keep in
mind, we made a strategic decision to reduce fleet sales over the past
year-and-a-half. When there are too many fleet vehicles in our mix, it hurts
our profits, our customers, our dealers and eventually the resale value of
our vehicles. 

Our dealers did a great job of selling last month, aided by Chrysler
Financial’s more aggressive support for consumer financing. We also
maintained a consistent marketing and advertising presence with a clear
focus on value and quality, and customers are starting to recognize this in
our products. Our dealers and our company committed to a singular marketing
strategy based on “Employee Pricing Plus Plus,” with advertising dollars
efficiently targeted to the same message. In addition, both dealers and the
company contributed to aggressive pricing actions that gave us a competitive
advantage in the marketplace, especially in Ram trucks and minivans. 

On the financing side, the combined total number of contracts financed by
Chrysler Financial and credit unions doubled from approximately 20,000 in
January to 40,000 in February. Chrysler Financial’s approval rate increased
by 50 percent, to 70 percent. In all, we were significantly closer to
historical levels of financing in February vs. January. 

I want to emphasize that no government loan money was used to fund customer
incentives. Our incentive spending is in line with our overall budget plans
and reflects the position needed in the marketplace today to achieve our
volume targets. We’re looking to build on our momentum in March, as we
continue our “Employee Pricing Plus Plus” program and add the availability
of a “no charge HEMI®” on the Dodge Ram 1500. 

From an industry perspective, the February seasonally adjusted annual rate
(SAAR) of sales of 9.3 million vehicles continued to be far below historical
levels. However, it is worth noting that the pace of retail sales rate
decline has slowed over the past few months. U.S. industry retail sales
increased 17 percent from January to February this year. Chrysler outpaced
the industry in February with a 26 percent increase in retail sales compared
with January. For more details about industry and Chrysler sales results for
February, please HYPERLINK
http://scoop.chrysler.com/2009/03/04/february-retail-sales-a-bright-spot-fo
r-chrysler/click here to see a Steve Landry video on The Scoop. 

In Canada, we were the No. 1 selling vehicle manufacturer in February for
the first time ever in our 84-year history. The versatile, fuel-efficient
Dodge Journey was the country’s No. 1 crossover. Vehicles that posted sales
gains over January included Canada’s No. 1 selling minivan, the Dodge Grand
Caravan, as well as the Dodge Caliber, Jeep® Patriot and Jeep Compass.
Congratulations to our Canadian operations and our dealers for doing such a
great job in challenging times. 

Last week also saw the release of Consumer Reports’ annual auto rankings,
which included criticism of the quality of our vehicles. We know we still
have a long way to go on the quality front, but we have made progress not
reflected in this latest report. I want to reinforce the message that Doug
Betts sent out last week: these ratings are, for the most part, the same
ones issued last fall and are based only on vehicles built in the fall of
2007 and older. In other words, this data does not reflect the quality
initiatives and efforts we put in place since becoming a stand-alone
company. It doesn’t take into account the 400 improvements we made to our
products; the 30 percent decline in our warranty claim rates compared with
last year; or the fact that Chrysler had the lowest recall rate of the seven
largest OEMs last year. 

We are confident the quality improvements that we’ve made will