I have moved the old water heater to its new location. I think the best
(and most economical) direction is to keep the lp tank heater. I think
perhaps SWMBO may have come to that conclusion too, after some
research. At least for the time being, the tank lives on. Thanks to
all who offered
yeah, we've mostly had electric.
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 6/28/19 10:24 AM:
Is she used to using an electric stove? Most people prefer gas if they
have it for a while. Heats faster and has more infinite control.
We do not have a gas stove but have considered getting one.
On
That has not been my experience. THe 43 yo water heater has crapped
out a TC every 21 or 22 years. the electronic ign crapped out once in
under a year, and again in another 8-10 years.
Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 6/28/19 8:50 AM:
Water heaters are about the last remaining place where
We have an old double oven Maytag with a smooth surface electric stove top
that works great, but SWMBO wants an induction stove top, so we might be
shopping some day. We also have a propane range in the outdoor kitchen,
beside the wood fired clay oven/smoker - but the mice decided to eat the
-Curt wrote:
> When our current electric stove quits I'm getting an antique gas stove.
We had an antique stove - Chambers cast iron oven - turn it on at
highest setting for 20-minutes, turn it off, the roast sits for hours
and comes out tender as desired. Maybe it is not antique, but it was
We have a Maytag range like that. It has the small 1 rack over in the top but
it’s not convection. The full size oven in the bottom is convection. We have
not had any problems with it so far, knock on wood.
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> On Jun 28, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
I think our first induction cooktop was a GE, current one is a Maytag.
The GEs worked great, the Maytag cooktop works great but the double convection
oven it’s a part of has some quirks that have never been resolved.
It has a small upper oven with one rack, which is great for small or single
> Dan--- wrote:
> Two words: Induction cooktop.
Two words: glass pans.
I _like_ my propane stovetop. And locally stored energy source.
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Our Whirlpool Gold induction cooktop was a lot of trouble at first,
requiring numerous service calls and several episodes of broken cooktop -
waiting a week or two for parts - find a different way to cook until
fixed. All parts and labor were covered under warranty, and at this point
every signal
Would electronic ignition be cheaper than a new water heater?
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Max
Charleston SC
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 9:41 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> An electronic ignition COULD be added to the current water heater, but
> that is NOT cheap.
>
>
>
Exactly. Not a concern for me.
-D
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> And when the power is out unless you've got a great big generator you're
> down...
>
> When our current electric stove quits I'm getting an antique gas stove. I
> don't want it to plug into electricity
And when the power is out unless you've got a great big generator you're
down...
When our current electric stove quits I'm getting an antique gas stove. I don't
want it to plug into electricity at all, if I need a timer I'll crank one. I
want a stove just like the one I've got at camp but
Two words: Induction cooktop.
We’ve had one for years, and they heat as quickly as gas and are just as
adjustable as far as temperature.
-D
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I think a lot of people are irrationally afraid of gas stoves, that they'll
>
I think a lot of people are irrationally afraid of gas stoves, that they'll
"start a fire" or something.
The worst kitchen accident I've personally witnessed was caused when one of
Angie's friends was melting beeswax on an electric stove, this was the old type
circular burner stove. She
Is she used to using an electric stove? Most people prefer gas if they
have it for a while. Heats faster and has more infinite control.
We do not have a gas stove but have considered getting one.
On 28/06/2019 8:40 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Craig, and everyone else:
Thanks for
> The heat from the pilot flame ends up in the water, so there's absolutely no
> cost to it,
In our old camper I never even turned the water heater off the pilot-only
setting.
Get to our destination, light the pilot, and by morning the tank is hot enough.
-- Jim
Water heaters are about the last remaining place where standing pilots make
sense.
The heat from the pilot flame ends up in the water, so there's absolutely no
cost to it, aside from periodic thermocouple replacements. (flame sensors in
electric ignition appliances last much longer than
> I always place water hotters where a leak just goes down the drain. That is
> a common practice this part of the country.
When I replaced mine (again), I put it in a pan with a pipe over to the floor
drain.
-- Jim
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Craig, and everyone else:
Thanks for the input. I have been happy to light pilots or burners in
exchange for appliances that run when there is no lektrick. A few yrs
ago they buried the lektric service, and I put in a new 200A panel, so
juice is available, and lektrick is much more
I always place water hotters where a leak just goes down the drain.
That is a common practice this part of the country.
Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote on 6/26/19 5:14 PM:
+1 on heaters aging out.
The tank we installed in 1996 had the melting dip tubes. The tube got replaced
a dozen years
I have coffee with some old guys most mornings at McDonald's before I
come to the office. They are all retired. About a week ago, one of them
told us that his neighbour's son was killed the day before. He owned a
construction company (trucks, backhoes, loaders etc) and they were doing
a
Or "eccy" for Economics.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:
> Ouch!
>
> Please don’t use the term “genny” when referring to a generator.
>
> That’s like calling a sandwich a “sammie”.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>
Ouch!
Please don’t use the term “genny” when referring to a generator.
That’s like calling a sandwich a “sammie”.
Thank you.
-D
> On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> It had two 50 A 240 VAC feeds
>
> The genny you'd need to take a warm shower would be 25kW
> It had two 50 A 240 VAC feeds
The genny you'd need to take a warm shower would be 25kW or larger.
Not in the same ballpark as the common hardware store 5kW.
-- Jim
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+1 on heaters aging out.
The tank we installed in 1996 had the melting dip tubes. The tube got replaced
a dozen years in after dissolving through the copper pipes. Four years later
the tank drained from a pinhole in the base. A couple hundred gallons or
initially hot water filled the
I hadn't considered the idea but our soil is pretty sandy, a cave in wouldn't
be so dangerous as somebody dropping something on you.
They were rolling what I assume is PEX from the street to the house, 2 guys in
the trench managing the roll, a 3rd running a digger putting down sand under
the
Based on the limited exposure I had with a week long rental cabin, the tanks
are far too small to provide adequate heated water for more than one occupant.
The tanks will spew out hot water for ages. There just are far too many
demands on the thing for it to do a decent job for more than one
One thing about tankless "instant" heaters is that they don't play well
with some appliances. Our LG clothes washer cycles the water on and off
as it fills. It will fill for a few seconds, then tumble the clothes,
then fill for a few more seconds, over and over until it's happy with
the water
Wow! That’s dangerous! My Dad always told me to never be in a trench any higher
than my armpits, if that.
-D
> On Jun 26, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I saw a crew putting in a water line this morning, you could just see their
> heads in the trench. It freezes
I saw a crew putting in a water line this morning, you could just see their
heads in the trench. It freezes pretty good here, in 2015 our neighbor's water
froze twice between his house and the street.
That said my aunt and uncle have solar hot water and claim its the bee's knees.
We've been
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes:
> My apartment in Fiji in the Peace Corps had a primitive "instant on" 240
> volt hot water heater for the shower, but you always had to remember to run
> the water FIRST before flipping the switch and, conversely, shutting it off
> while the shower was
We replaced an older, functioning gas tank unit a few years ago with a
reputable new one. Just found from new owners that it failed. Old one would
likely still be going strong I'm sure. Warranty covered the unit.
Now we run a navien gas tankless with integral recirc pump and smart timing
on the
My apartment in Fiji in the Peace Corps had a primitive "instant on" 240
volt hot water heater for the shower, but you always had to remember to run
the water FIRST before flipping the switch and, conversely, shutting it off
while the shower was still running. Otherwise, it would burn out
Don't forget that a tank water heater only draws about 4500 watts,
so you can in fact heat it with the standard rope-pull generator, and
take a hot shower during a power outage, with a bit of prep and planning.
Not true of a tankless electric heater.
-- Jim
Exactly, I keep looking at the tankless heaters every time I have to deal
one of the tank ones. Even down here in OK the water is too cold in the
winter for anything other than the largest models, requiring new circuits
to be run, etc. The electric tank model is still the best bet where I live.
What is the source for your water? How cold is it?
My recollection is that the tankless heaters do not last all that long
if the water is very cold. Probably work fine in Florida.
On 26/06/2019 7:56 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
SWMBO decided we should throw out the gas water heater
I was thinking that in the case of a water heater age plays into it. As I
understand it they do have a lifespan and when one leaks it can be pretty
terrible...
If it were old (20 years?) I'd say replace it with the same again. The new one
will have better insulation and be more efficient. If
> Would I be better off convincing her to leave the gas 30 gal heater be?
Has she never heard: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." There is true wisdom,
there.
-- Jim
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Heat pump hybrids can be good.
Totally awesome if you're using them to cool your Florida garage.
If they dehumidify, they might be nice in a 55 degree Michigan basement too, at
least in the summer.
But if they're in conditioned space in the winter, and you're paying to heat
the air that the
You can mount electric tankless heaters at the point of use, like at the
bathroom or kitchen sink or laundry, assuming you can get at the
plumbing (and some electrons). The gas on-demand heaters are not bad,
unlimited hot water as long as you don't exceed the delivery rating.
Those are a bit
I put a 50 gallon electric hybrid tank heater in about a year and a half ago.
Granted, my usage is very different (3-4 adults, a couple of which think a
short shower is under 20 minutes) and we have the temperature setpoint of 130F.
I was a little leery of this thing due to the steep entry
SWMBO decided we should throw out the gas water heater and get an
electric heater "so we don't have to light the pilot" This was a bolt
out of the blue. In the process, I looked at tankless electric water
heaters. The point of use ones seem to be between 1.0 and 1.3 GPM,
while "whole
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